New Standards for hoops players

[Hoopaloop]

So you laugh at people with sources and call them names, Then you sum up the situation with "In my mind..." LOL. Sorry, but the "mind" you put on display here on a regular basis won't be enough to carry the day

This is why I said it is my opinion and didn't conjure up sources (real or imagined) or blame the impending collapse of MU basketball on Pilarz and Williams like you and others have.  We are still allowed to have opinions here, yes?

My goodness are we in the assumption making mode.

First, you have no idea if the players "being in the headlines" were the origins for this change.

Second, you have no idea if the change in academic standards is occurring.

Yes, that is why I said in my mind.  It is my opinion.

Also correct, I have no idea if the academic changes are occurring which is why I said "IF the direction is to get stronger". 

Clear as day that these were opinions only.  We agree   

So in your opinion, raising academic standards is likely to correlate to kids staying out of trouble (not going to bars, clubs, drinking, or getting into an occasional altercation)?  Do  "smart" kids not drink, go to bars, get into a fight once in their college career?  As for your rebuttal on the sex assault charges - let's remember no charges were filed, the player and girl had a previous sexual relationship, and the sex started as consensual...so quite a gray area with regard to something becoming rape/sex assault.

Smart kids do drink, do drugs, some do beat their girlfriends and generally do things that kids who are not smart do.   

My statement pertained to the bad headlines the team generated and now the potential changes that the administration may put in place (rumored here).  Some here believe the rumored changes are unnecessary and reactionary.  Others believe those changes will keep MU out of the headlines in the future.  None of us know what will happen, but in my opinion if the rumored changes do happen it because of the headlines generated.  If those headlines were not generated, I don't think the steps that are rumored to be happening would be happening. You are free to disagree, but I would like to hear why you think these rumored changes are happening if not for the bad press.  Whether or not recruiting smarter kids, more responsible kids, suburban kids, traditional kids, religious kids, whatever, none of us know what will happen or change.  That doesn't change my opinion that the bad press MU got has the BOT, the administration, and some alumni looking for changes.

The sex may have been consensual.  Vander may not have been called Orange.  Vander may not have assaulted the kid.  Etc, etc.  Problem is that they led to bad coverage for MU and MU doesn't like that. DePaul has a huge reach in their ability to frame our school in a bad light.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Perhaps this is one of the situations where the MPD under-reported things

[MUMac]

other than 2 sexual assault incidents, one major bar fight and an assault charge...

OK - I am not coming down on buzz, but take the blinders off...

What major bar fight was anyone on the team involved it?  Is that you Big Unit?  Mr. Michaels?