Jae Crowder's height

[Silkk the Shaka]

Here is a spreadsheet containing the measurements from the combine:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2012&source=NJ+Workout&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

However, both Jae and DJO finished in the bottom 5 in the agility test. This is where Lazar shone, I believe.

Pretty sure that a lower time in the agility drill = good, therefore Crowder & DJO finished TOP five in that category.

They both tied for 2nd with 17 reps on the bench as well.  Aside from their heights, the two of them made a good impression here.

[warriorchick]

Here is a spreadsheet containing the measurements from the combine:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2012&source=NJ+Workout&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=


Jae is 6'3.75" with a 6'8.5" wingspan.
DJO is 6'1" with a 6'6.5" wingspan.

What??

But their official bios say they are 6'6" and 6'2", respectively. Why would a guy exaggerate a measurement of his?

[brewcity77]

Pretty sure that a lower time in the agility drill = good, therefore Crowder & DJO finished TOP five in that category.

They both tied for 2nd with 17 reps on the bench as well.  Aside from their heights, the two of them made a good impression here.

Agility and strength they both killed it. DJO's vertical will help too. That height for Jae is a huge knock, hopefully his workouts go well. Right now, I'd guess DJO will go higher than Jae. While Jae may have been the better college player, DJO's measurables project better at the next level.

[MU82]

Loved what Jae brought to MU but all along I have had trouble projecting him as a good NBA player. Now we find out he isn't even 6-4.

I sincerely doubt he can play the 2 in the NBA, and he'll be less athletic and shorter than most 3's. He can't be a 4.

As for DJO, I have read in many places that his status will depend upon him proving he can play some point guard. If that's true -- and it does make sense, given his size -- he's an even bigger long shot than Jae.

I hope to heck I'm wrong. All it takes is one team to fall in love with either of these guy's intangibles, hustle, passion and skills.

[AZWarrior]

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[brewcity77]

I hope to heck I'm wrong. All it takes is one team to fall in love with either of these guy's intangibles, hustle, passion and skills.

I don't think either is that much of a longshot. In the second round, two types of guys are generally drafted. The raw high upside types that might have a 1/20 chance of being very good, or the guys that have 2-3 useful tools and can be solid bench players. I see both DJO and Jae as the second type. Neither will likely ever be a star, but both could be guys that make legitimate contributions. I still think DJO compares favorably to Ben Gordon. And looking at heights, is anyone in the NBA as tall as they're listed? Ben Gordon certainly isn't 6'3" any more than Dwyane Wade is 6'4". Most NBA SGs are probably 6'2" to 6'4" and get two extra inches, one for the shoes and one for the faulty tape measure.

Jae is legitimately small for a 3, but with one of the top agility drill times, maybe he is athletic enough for the 2. Either way, he doesn't project as a NBA starter -- what's new? But for a guy to be a (sprinting) step slow at the 2 or a couple inches short at the 3, he can probably be a valuable 7th-10th man. Who knows if he gets drafted or not, but between the work ethic, versatility, and ability to defend larger than his size, I think there's a NBA bench that could use a Jae Crowder.

[MU B2002]

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[Silkk the Shaka]

I don't think either is that much of a longshot. In the second round, two types of guys are generally drafted. The raw high upside types that might have a 1/20 chance of being very good, or the guys that have 2-3 useful tools and can be solid bench players. I see both DJO and Jae as the second type. Neither will likely ever be a star, but both could be guys that make legitimate contributions. I still think DJO compares favorably to Ben Gordon. And looking at heights, is anyone in the NBA as tall as they're listed? Ben Gordon certainly isn't 6'3" any more than Dwyane Wade is 6'4". Most NBA SGs are probably 6'2" to 6'4" and get two extra inches, one for the shoes and one for the faulty tape measure.

Jae is legitimately small for a 3, but with one of the top agility drill times, maybe he is athletic enough for the 2. Either way, he doesn't project as a NBA starter -- what's new? But for a guy to be a (sprinting) step slow at the 2 or a couple inches short at the 3, he can probably be a valuable 7th-10th man. Who knows if he gets drafted or not, but between the work ethic, versatility, and ability to defend larger than his size, I think there's a NBA bench that could use a Jae Crowder.

Ben Gordon measured at 6'1" without shoes, exactly the same as DJO.  Except Gordon's vertical was 2.5" shorter and he benched 5 times less, so DJO compares very favorably on measurables.

Wade measured at 6'3.75" without shoes, the exact same as Crowder.

In fact, Wade & Crowder stack up pretty similarly from their workouts:

Category: Crowder, Wade

Height w/o shoes: 6'3.75", 6'3.75"
Wingspan: 6'8.5", 6'10.5"
Reach: 8'6.5", 8'6"
No Step Vertical: 30.3", 31.5"
No Step Vertical Reach: 11'1", 11'1.5"
Max Vertical: 32.3", 35"
Max Vertical Reach: 11'3", 11'5"
Bench: 17, 9
Agility: 10.75, 10.56
Sprint: 3.38, 3.08

Same height, virtually identical reach, similar verticals, both finished top 3 in the agility drill.  (Adding to that, both were at MU 2 years, both took us to the second weekend in the NCAA's for the only times since '94, and both were conference POY their last year at MU). Crowder is much stronger than Wade, Wade much faster end to end.  Obviously there are other factors like ball handling and Wade's ability to create a shot when none seems there, but based solely on measurables Crowder won't be ruled too small too slow or too anything to play SG in the NBA.


On another note, didn't Duane Wilson recently tweet that he got his vertical over 40"?  That's insane, and already puts him in some really rare air in the history of pre-draft workouts -- better than any player we've sent to these things on record.  Can't wait to see Todd Smith take him to his physical peak.  With his skill level on top of that, the sky is the limit for Duane.

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

On another note, didn't Duane Wilson recently tweet that he got his vertical over 40"?  That's insane, and already puts him in some really rare air in the history of pre-draft workouts -- better than any player we've sent to these things on record.  Can't wait to see Todd Smith take him to his physical peak.  With his skill level on top of that, the sky is the limit for Duane.

Said to be around 45. 

[reinko]

Said to be around 45. 

Well that would put him higher than Jordan, Vince Carter, and a inch short of Spud Webb.

[Skatastrophy]

Well that would put him higher than Jordan, Vince Carter, and a inch short of Spud Webb.

What put it in perspective for me is that DJames had a max vert of around 38".  Seven inches higher than that is straight up crazy.

[MU B2002]

Didn't Ronnie Fields have a 46"+ Vertical in high school?

[Bocephys]

Dameon Mason had a 42" vertical if I recall.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Ben Gordon measured at 6'1" without shoes, exactly the same as DJO.  Except Gordon's vertical was 2.5" shorter and he benched 5 times less, so DJO compares very favorably on measurables.

Wade measured at 6'3.75" without shoes, the exact same as Crowder.

In fact, Wade & Crowder stack up pretty similarly from their workouts:

Category: Crowder, Wade

Height w/o shoes: 6'3.75", 6'3.75"
Wingspan: 6'8.5", 6'10.5"
Reach: 8'6.5", 8'6"
No Step Vertical: 30.3", 31.5"
No Step Vertical Reach: 11'1", 11'1.5"
Max Vertical: 32.3", 35"
Max Vertical Reach: 11'3", 11'5"
Bench: 17, 9
Agility: 10.75, 10.56
Sprint: 3.38, 3.08

Same height, virtually identical reach, similar verticals, both finished top 3 in the agility drill.  (Adding to that, both were at MU 2 years, both took us to the second weekend in the NCAA's for the only times since '94, and both were conference POY their last year at MU). Crowder is much stronger than Wade, Wade much faster end to end.  Obviously there are other factors like ball handling and Wade's ability to create a shot when none seems there, but based solely on measurables Crowder won't be ruled too small too slow or too anything to play SG in the NBA.


On another note, didn't Duane Wilson recently tweet that he got his vertical over 40"?  That's insane, and already puts him in some really rare air in the history of pre-draft workouts -- better than any player we've sent to these things on record.  Can't wait to see Todd Smith take him to his physical peak.  With his skill level on top of that, the sky is the limit for Duane.

Thanks for pulling this together.

If I'm an NBA GM, I need to see Jae shoot it effectively from NBA 3pt, adequately handle the ball in traffic, and be able to guard 3 different positions (PF in a pinch). If he can do that, he can be a valuable in the league.

He's a tweener with good physical skills, so he's going to have to be versatile.

[brewcity77]

According to the Twitterverse, they are doing a good job of making a good impression on people.

While they may not be perfect prospects, both are very good basketball players. The former is why they aren't lottery picks, the latter is why they should still be draft picks.

[77ncaachamps]

Thanks for setting the agility numbers straight!

[MuMark]

Jae's measurements are about the same as Wes's. Wes a quarter inch taller without shoes, Jae a quarter inch allerwith shoes. Wes has logged a bunch of minutes at the 3 in his career and been effective.


Some guys just play bigger then their height. Jae is one of those. He won't be able to play the 4 but i think he can handle the 3 at the next level.

I still think he goes ahead of DJO.

[Dawson Rental]

What??

But their official bios say they are 6'6" and 6'2", respectively. Why would a guy exaggerate a measurement of his?

Every once in a while when wariorchick makes a post like this, I start to wonder how much more fun this board would be with more female posters.

[warriorchick]

Every once in a while when wariorchick makes a post like this, I start to wonder how much more fun this board would be with more female posters.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Just to get back to Jae & Wade in combine measurements:

When watching the game last night, the thing that separates Wade is his ability to change speeds, body control, and touch. Those are hard to find pure measurements for. You can measure agility, speed, and even quickness to an extent.

But, you can't measure a player's ability to translate those specific physical abilities into basketball plays. Dwyane rarely looks like he's going full speed. He always seems under control, even when he's kind of out of control.

I think Vander would test off the charts for the physical ability stuff, but in the game he hasn't learned to change speeds or have great body control yet. I'm hoping that comes with some more strength and experience.

[Lennys Tap]

Every once in a while when wariorchick makes a post like this, I start to wonder how much more fun this board would be with more female posters.

More posters with a love for and knowledge of Marquette hoops? And a keen and at times self deprecating sense of humor? Sign me up!

[Dr. Blackheart]

Every once in a while when wariorchick makes a post like this, I start to wonder how much more fun this board would be with more female posters.

We'd need an alternative to hairy wet cats to be equal opportunity

[bamamarquettefan]

i think people are trying to envision whether or not Jae can catch at the key and drive past NBA 2s to score, and I don't believe that's really a disqualifier.

He could guard 5 positions in college, and I believe he can guard 3 positions in the pros, but certainly he can guard a 2 and a 3 at a minimum.  Players who can guard 3 positions last a long-time in the pros as long as they can do ONE thing on offense.  That could be hitting a trey, or rotating to end up inside and post a 2 who is trying to guard him, coming off a pick, etc.  If DJO, Crowder, and Hayward can get in 150 NBA games that would give us seven such players since Wade (joining Novak, Diener, who will at least be joined by Matthews and Butler.)

That would be something - 7 NBA careers in 9 graduating classes - especially when you consider that in the 40 years from McGuire through Wade we had only 15 players hit that mark.