Coach: Cal's Gary Franklin to transfer

[GGGG]

OK...  I must admit after I typed it I had to think about it.  I guess that prevents coaches from forcing kids out at semester if a better offer comes along.

Thanks.

[Marquette84]

In one of the great coincidences of our time Chicos "got religion" in April of 2008. Things that he had overlooked or defended (Saunders, transfers,etc) became practices that caused weeping, gnashing of teeth, and,of course, a great deal of squirming.

No different than the coincidence that exactly the same time many people suddenly came to accept that transfers were a normal part of the game.

[Canadian Dimes]

In one of the great coincidences of our time Chicos "got religion" in April of 2008. Things that he had overlooked or defended (Saunders, transfers,etc) became practices that caused weeping, gnashing of teeth, and,of course, a great deal of squirming.

Well said ...nary a word about Crean breaking a NLI back then from the moral conscience of MU basketball.   Did he fear losing the pleasure of a reach around?

[Lennys Tap]

No different than the coincidence that exactly the same time many people suddenly came to accept that transfers were a normal part of the game.

I didn't criticize Crean over tranfers and I don't criticize Buzz over them. To me it's part of the game and has been for some time.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well said ...nary a word about Crean breaking a NLI back then from the moral conscience of MU basketball.   Did he fear losing the pleasure of a reach around?

The situations were entirely different and you know it.  One kid was kicked to the curb because we got a transfer (which we working on for months and was not a surprise) and the other was kicked to the curb because DJ didn't go pro, he had criminal issues, etc. 

Looking at that gut on you Robbie, it's safe to say the reach around from Ms. Dimes would require her to grow a wingspan rivaling Manute Bol's (RIP)

[ChicosBailBonds]

I didn't criticize Crean over tranfers and I don't criticize Buzz over them. To me it's part of the game and has been for some time.

Of course not, you joined in 2009

[Jay Bee]

The situations were entirely different and you know it.  One kid was kicked to the curb because we got a transfer 

I thought you didn't know the truth on this?  You're stating it as thought it were fact - do you believe you have all the facts and know the truth?  'Kicked to the curb'? 

[DaCoach]

Yup....but with 345 DI teams with 13 players each squad, that's almost 4,500 players.  You get the idea.  Now, let's say for kicks that 25% are seniors that can't transfer, that leaves about 3350 that could transfer...you could even go so far as to only include Freshmen and Sophomores and now you're at 2,250 players eligible to transfer.  

Yes, it happens "all the time" but there are a number of schools where it happens very little or maybe once or twice in a decade and yet they are top 40 programs.

I suspect that the intensity of our program under Buzz is astonishing to many freshmen who have cruised through high school basketball. It's a shock to many who have never worked so hard and sat so much. In a few years, MU should have a rep that weeds out the guys who aren't tough enough to work through the experience. And yes, the 40% claim is not reality.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I thought you didn't know the truth on this?  You're stating it as thought it were fact - do you believe you have all the facts and know the truth?  'Kicked to the curb'? 

Do you think the situations were the same?

[Jay Bee]

Do you think the situations were the same?

Are you going to answer the question or not?

[Pakuni]

Do you think the situations were the same?

They weren't the same.
Newbill's was far better. He was "kicked to the curb" about two months earlier in the calendar year than Sauders, giving him a much more reasonable amount of time to weigh his options and find a situation he believed was right for him.
Saunders was "kicked to the curb" just days before most schools began their first semesters, leaving him in a significantly more difficult position to find a new home.
By the way, I'm pretty sure Marquette's coaching staff knew well before late August that Saunders had criminal issues and DJ was returning to school. Yet they waited and waited and waited before cutting the kid loose. You know, because DJ was returning and Saunders had criminal issues.

[brandx]

It happens "all the time" to some programs.  We could just as easily publish all the schools it didn't happen to and there would be a much longer list.

Some programs - like Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas - just don't have a coach that knows how to treat young men right. I would like to see a list of major schools that don't have transfers.

[brewcity77]

Ugh, Newbill again? Oh well.

Anyway, do we even know Newbill was "kicked to the curb"? Considering how heavily he was recruited, I really think the idea of him being allowed to sign a NLI while also being told that it may be rescinded if we got another player we were pursuing (Wilson) is entirely plausible. Why does everyone assume that the story of PhillyCoach, who apparently wasn't even one of Newbill's main advisers in his recruitment, is true? I realize it's half-dozen of one and six of the other in terms of who we want to believe, but it seems that Buzz having a caveat on his scholarship is entirely believable. A bit foolish, and hopefully something he's learned from, but still believable.

[Marquette84]

They weren't the same.
Newbill's was far better. He was "kicked to the curb" about two months earlier in the calendar year than Sauders, giving him a much more reasonable amount of time to weigh his options and find a situation he believed was right for him.
Saunders was "kicked to the curb" just days before most schools began their first semesters, leaving him in a significantly more difficult position to find a new home.

The big difference is that in 2007 the staff actually wanted Saunders and hoped he'd be admitted.

And even you argued that point at the time. Recall that you were the one who made the case that Blackledge was a far more likely target to leave the team.  He already had academic issues that caused him to miss the 2nd semester his junior year.  He hadn't particularly distinguished himself with strong play in the one semester he did play.  

Factor in that Saunders was a very promising incoming frosh while at best Blackledge would give you one more year, and the Occam's Razor explanation is that the staff waited because they wanted Saunders (and vice versa) and they were hoping that the MU admissions office would not deny him admission (or possibly rescind a prior admission) because of the arrest.

By the way, I'm pretty sure Marquette's coaching staff knew well before late August that Saunders had criminal issues and DJ was returning to school.

As I've said before, you're a master of making true but irrelevant statements.  Yes, of course the staff knew about the criminal issues.  The whole world knew.  

What the staff did NOT know was whether or not Saunders would be admitted.    

And regardless of what you say, the MU admissions office has the final determination on whether a student--especially one that now has an arrest on his record--will be admitted.  It's not a coaching staff decision.
 

[rocky_warrior]

I've seen this movie before.  It was bad then, not going to be good now.  Locked.