Does MU need to name names?

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Chicos, I agree that people make mistakes.  However, what really upsets me is that when someone with a respected 25 year career is dismissed as a "b1tch" and a "clueless, insular beaurocrat," when they really have no idea IF she made a mistake or not.  And even if she did make a mistake, did so with the best of intentions.

Anyone who tells a potential rape victim to "pray about it" rather than call the police is both a b!tch and and insular bureaucrat. I don't give a damn if she's been there for 30 or 300 years. The length of time you've been doing the same bureaucratic work doesn't discount ignorance of the law.

Let me add that every other bureaucrat who failed to live up the THE LAW for the last 10 years is also a b!tch and an insular bureaucrat.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Chicos, I agree that people make mistakes.  However, what really upsets me is that when someone with a respected 25 year career is dismissed as a "b1tch" and a "clueless, insular beaurocrat," when they really have no idea IF she made a mistake or not.  And even if she did make a mistake, did so with the best of intentions.

You don't know if she made a mistake? She's been VIOLATING THE LAW for 10 years along with the rest of her bureaucratic accomplices. It's a little worse than a "mistake". Sheesh.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I will research the names, once you do for your post "Anyone find it ironic that the coaches and players were reprimanded\disciplined when they didn't "do anything wrong" according to some here."  Who are these that have stated MU has done nothing wrong?

If it consoles you, I was not referring to you.

SoCal Warrior will ban me if I state some of those people...so am I allowed an exception?

[MUBurrow]

As for all the defending of Quade - if only we as a society had some sort of adjudicatory system set up for alleged criminal activity so that we don't need to sit and argue about the moral and judicial merits of a university employee with a number of conflicting interests...

Moral of the story, seems like MU's illegal policy set her up to look terrible in this.  Not only did it make her complicit in illegal activity, but gave her no established way to personally defend her reputation when that illegal activity inevitably hit the fan.

[GGGG]

Anyone who tells a potential rape victim to "pray about it" rather than call the police is both a b!tch and and insular bureaucrat. I don't give a damn if she's been there for 30 or 300 years. The length of time you've been doing the same bureaucratic work doesn't discount ignorance of the law.

Let me add that every other bureaucrat who failed to live up the THE LAW for the last 10 years is also a b!tch and an insular bureaucrat.

As has been pointed out, the "pray about it" reference was reported by one source, without any comment by MU or Quade herself.  Also, you don't know what else she did and what context she said it in.

And I fail to understand how it is Quade's fault that DPS wasn't following state law.  Clearly, MU was failed by their attornies (interesting considering Cottingham's previous role with MU) and by DPS more than anyone.

And your language and tone makes you look like a loon.  HTH.

[ringout]

I am not a DPS apologist, they were definitely in the wrong, but MPD and Milw Cty DA are complicit.  They knew what was going on.  Chief Flynn and DA Chisholm were happy as hell to have DPS run interference for them, sorting out what was a crime and what wasn't.

Marquette has been a PR nightmare for as long as I've been paying attention (33 years).  They have always used the "pull up the drawbridge and they can't touch us" method.  Becky fans and other MU haters will always hate.  Trying to pacify them is a fools errand.  Would I like for MU to hire competent PR?  Yeah, sure, but it won't pacify the haters.  It would make my life as a MU grad and fan easier at times, but I will always be a MU supporter.

[mu_hilltopper]

As has been pointed out, the "pray about it" reference was reported by one source, without any comment by MU or Quade herself.  Also, you don't know what else she did and what context she said it in.

And I fail to understand how it is Quade's fault that DPS wasn't following state law.  Clearly, MU was failed by their attornies (interesting considering Cottingham's previous role with MU) and by DPS more than anyone.

And your language and tone makes you look like a loon.  HTH.

+1.  warrior07 has ridden the high horse into a low tree.

[SoCalwarrior]

SoCal Warrior will ban me if I state some of those people...so am I allowed an exception?

Again, I will ban you if you quote or mention Ners. And at this point I honest hope you do.

[cheebs09]

I'm going to get called out for blaming the victim and being a jerk, but since all anyone can do is throw out theories then I have one of my own. This girl went there basically with a bone to pick with this athlete (from Trib article) and who knows, maybe she didn't get the answer she was looking for and decided to seek some revenge. Also, she went public with this after the first one hit the news (I know she went to dps right after).

Once again just a possibility out of hundreds, just a thought I had that wasn't mentioned. If her version is true, then there are big problems and I'm extremely disappointed in the university and those involved and hope she's able to find a way to get through this.

[GGGG]

"That wasn't mentioned???"

Are you serious?  People have been blaming the victim since this whole thing started.

[Lennys Tap]

"That wasn't mentioned???"

Are you serious?  People have been blaming the victim since this whole thing started.

I'm sure you meant to type alleged victim, or do you know something MU, DPS, MPD and the DA don't?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Again, I will ban you if you quote or mention Ners. And at this point I honest hope you do.

Uhm, that's why I didn't and even pointed out I can't respond to the request from MuMac because you will ban me. 

If you honestly hope I do, just get it over with and ban me.  You can have a board go from 85% people with heads in the sand to 86%...it's your call....it's your board...you own it.  Do what you have to do.  Happy 4th of July.

[Hoopaloop]

You don't know if she made a mistake? She's been VIOLATING THE LAW for 10 years along with the rest of her bureaucratic accomplices. It's a little worse than a "mistake". Sheesh.

She's a classic Office of Student life administrator found at colleges around the country.  They have a view of the world that is not always law and order viewed.

My bigger concern is looking at where she's putting her money.  After seeing this, my run in with that department years ago makes so much more sense now. 

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/stephanie-quade.asp?cycle=08

[mu_hilltopper]

She's a classic Office of Student life administrator found at colleges around the country.  They have a view of the world that is not always law and order viewed.

My bigger concern is looking at where she's putting her money.  After seeing this, my run in with that department years ago makes so much more sense now. 

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/stephanie-quade.asp?cycle=08

Oh, definitely.  If whoever you are dealing with doesn't belong to your political party, they are totally trying to screw you.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm blown away that people give thousands of dollars to candidates...OF EITHER party.  I'm sure good, smart people do it all the time but I can't ever imagine in my lifetime being so smitten with clowns from either party to depart several thousand dollars to them so they can get into power.  Bizarre, but each to their own. 

[GGGG]

She's a classic Office of Student life administrator found at colleges around the country.  They have a view of the world that is not always law and order viewed.

My bigger concern is looking at where she's putting her money.  After seeing this, my run in with that department years ago makes so much more sense now. 

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/stephanie-quade.asp?cycle=08

See?  What are you worried about???  Liberals are godless so they would never pray about a potential rape.

[Benny B]

The whole "pray about it" line could have been a complete fabrication, but Dr. Quade & MU can't do a damn thing about it.  Imagine MU responding by calling the accuser/alleged victim a liar... even if MU were 100% in the right, imagine what Mike Hunt would be writing tomorrow -- "Marquette the Oppressor of Students Who Lie"

Even if not a fabrication, "pray about it" could have been one of many suggestions... it could have been appropriately used as a final remark in a comprehensive conversation that gave counsel and discussed options.  But of course, let's take everything out of context because America's attention span is only 9 seconds long on any issue.  In any event, how should MU respond?  By saying that the alleged victim is twisting the facts and spinning the story against the institution?  Mike Hunt's next headline -- "Marquette Refuses to Turn the Other Cheek - Defends Allegations"

[MerrittsMustache]

The whole "pray about it" line could have been a complete fabrication, but Dr. Quade & MU can't do a damn thing about it.  Imagine MU responding by calling the accuser/alleged victim a liar... even if MU were 100% in the right, imagine what Mike Hunt would be writing tomorrow -- "Marquette the Oppressor of Students Who Lie"

Even if not a fabrication, "pray about it" could have been one of many suggestions... it could have been appropriately used as a final remark in a comprehensive conversation that gave counsel and discussed options.  But of course, let's take everything out of context because America's attention span is only 9 seconds long on any issue.  In any event, how should MU respond?  By saying that the alleged victim is twisting the facts and spinning the story against the institution?  Mike Hunt's next headline -- "Marquette Refuses to Turn the Other Cheek - Defends Allegations"

MU is in a no-win situation. It's not like can hold a presser and say, "These are the athletes who have been accused and they'd like to tell their side of the story just clear things up with the general public..." Because of this, the accuser and the media can rake MU over the coals, claim that MU should name names (even though that would illegal), and get one side of the story and fabricate it if they want to (not saying they did, just saying that no one at MU can really respond). Also, MU would have, in theory, been helped out by MPD saying that they are working with MU public safety to clear up the miscommunications they had been having in regards to reporting potential crimes. This obviously wasn't going to happen because MPD wasn't going to bring any of the onus on themselves (even though it would be naive to think that they were unaware that MU had been in violation of the law for a decade).

Basically, MU can't defend themselves against the media or against public opinion. And the other group who bears responsibility for the lack of compliance with the law is more or less playing dumb and putting all the blame on MU and, again, MU can't really push back.

As I stated earlier, I'd be surprised if this was still an issue come Christmas.

[brewcity77]

As I stated earlier, I'd be surprised if this was still an issue come Christmas.

Depends on when they name a permanent replacement for Cottingham and who it is. If they name Broeker as his replacement in late December, this will be an issue come Christmas.