DJ Newbill tonight...

[4everwarriors]

Ouch

Well yeah, but it's the price we're paying for having hired a young, inexperienced coach. Look, generally speaking, I like Buzz and he's an oasis in the desert formerly known as Crean. Yet, it's becoming increasing obvious that he is prone to mistakes. Mistakes with the media (remember his uncalled for and embarrassing outburst at McIlvaine in season 1), mistakes in recruiting players (and that's the only way to categorize handing out schollies to Mbao, Newbill, Smith, Maymon, and the traditional cat from PA.), and in-game coaching errors (Mizzou, Washington, Villanova, and yesterday).
Patience, patience, patience, and we may actually reap the benefits of his hire at some future date. For now, he's keeping the program afloat and generally improving the level of incoming talent. Chicos is right, let's evaluate in year 5.

[Golden Avalanche]

Well yeah, but it's the price we're paying for having hired a young, inexperienced coach. Look, generally speaking, I like Buzz and he's an oasis in the dessert forming known as Crean. Yet, it's becoming increasing obvious that he is prone to mistakes. Mistakes with the media (remember his uncalled for and embarrassing outburst at McIlvaine in season 1), mistakes in recruiting players (and that's the only way to categorize handing out schollies to Mbao, Newbill, Smith, Maymon, and the traditional cat from PA.), and in-game coaching errors (Mizzou, Washington, Villanova, and yesterday).
Patience, patience, patience, and we may actually reap the benefits of his hire at some future date. For now, he's keeping the program afloat and generally inproving the level of incoming talent. Chicos is right, let's evaluate in year 5.

I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.

This is exactly the way I look at things.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.

This is exactly the way I look at things.

No kidding....you'd be a racist, a Buzz hater, etc, etc.

[mugrad2006]

17 points and nine rebounds are more than EWill, Devonte and Jamail will contribute all BE season

You're not comparing apples to apples.  Scott would have taken a schollie from DJO, Jae, or Buycks, not Devonte or Jamail.  I have faith those two will be more valuable than Scott's numbers by their junior / senior year (Scott's a redshirt junior).  Since he and Ewill are different positions, and EWill's only a soph, I'd say the jury is still out on that one.  Last year Scott only averaged 8 pts a game (more than Ewill is gonna have this year, but definitely playing on a weaker team)

[NickelDimer]

You're not comparing apples to apples.  Scott would have taken a schollie from DJO, Jae, or Buycks, not Devonte or Jamail.  I have faith those two will be more valuable than Scott's numbers by their junior / senior year (Scott's a redshirt junior).  Since he and Ewill are different positions, and EWill's only a soph, I'd say the jury is still out on that one.  Last year Scott only averaged 8 pts a game (more than Ewill is gonna have this year, but definitely playing on a weaker team)

He was referring to Newbill, not Scott

[mugrad2006]

He was referring to Newbill, not Scott

Good point, my critical reading lapsed on that one. I still take who we've got over Newbill based on what I've seen thus far.  No way DJ sees the court more than Mello on this team.  Gardner will develop into a solid body down low, and EWill is gonna show up at some point (please?!?!). 

[NersEllenson]

I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.

This is exactly the way I look at things.

No kidding....you'd be a racist, a Buzz hater, etc, etc.

The only reason either of you would be directed any "hate" is your longstanding, critical post history as it pertains to Buzz.  You get what you earn. 

Does Buzz make mistakes in recruiting and coaching?  Absolutely.  Can you show me any other coach in America that doesn't make mistakes in recruiting or coaching?  No.  was MU picked for 12th in the Big East last year?  Yes?  Did we finish 5th?  Yes.  Were some of you still complaining and beating a wait 5 year drum?  Yes.  Was MU picked for 8th in the Big East this year?  Yes.  Does anyone doubt that we won't finish in the top 8?  Very few, if any.  Was yesterday's loss terrible?  Absolutely.  Should Buzz get a large amount of the blame?  Absolutely.  All in all - would a reasonable MU fan look at our roster currently, and with what we'll have in the next year or two, and think:  We are pretty talented?  Yes.  Given our past history with recruiting - does it make sense to be critical of a coach who is bringing in classes of Top 100 players or Juco POY in 3 to 4 consecutive years - when that hasn't been don around here since Al McGuire?  No.  Are the above reasons why both of you catahc some hell around here?  Yes.

[Lennys Tap]

No kidding....you'd be a racist, a Buzz hater, etc, etc.

Racist? Is every card in your deck the race card?

[Ari Gold]

It should be pretty clear to everyone that Buzz launched the wrong incoming freshman to make room for Wilson. Shoulda kept Newbill and rescinded Smith.

Clearly if we still had Christopherson and Newbill we'd have beaten Duke, Wisconsin, and Vanderbilt by at least 12. Just imagine what kind of press we'd be getting if we had Mbakwe too. And we could be starting Mbao at the 5! We could beat anyone... A University of Ditkas, The Harlem Globetrotters, a team of atomic supermen, a university of Chuck Norris Hurricanes, and Jesus and 12 of his buddies.


JF'ningC let it the unnatural carnal knowledge go

[ChicosBailBonds]

Racist? Is every card in your deck the race card?

My deck?  You and Krav played it last night sunshine.  This is all on you

[GGGG]

It should be pretty clear to everyone that Buzz launched the wrong incoming freshman to make room for Wilson. Shoulda kept Newbill and rescinded Smith.

He couldn't.  Smith's application was accepted.  Newbill's was not...because Buzz's crew told him to take his time.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The only reason either of you would be directed any "hate" is your longstanding, critical post history as it pertains to Buzz.  You get what you earn. 

Does Buzz make mistakes in recruiting and coaching?  Absolutely.  Can you show me any other coach in America that doesn't make mistakes in recruiting or coaching?  No.  was MU picked for 12th in the Big East last year?  Yes?  Did we finish 5th?  Yes.  Were some of you still complaining and beating a wait 5 year drum?  Yes.  Was MU picked for 8th in the Big East this year?  Yes.  Does anyone doubt that we won't finish in the top 8?  Very few, if any.  Was yesterday's loss terrible?  Absolutely.  Should Buzz get a large amount of the blame?  Absolutely.  All in all - would a reasonable MU fan look at our roster currently, and with what we'll have in the next year or two, and think:  We are pretty talented?  Yes.  Given our past history with recruiting - does it make sense to be critical of a coach who is bringing in classes of Top 100 players or Juco POY in 3 to 4 consecutive years - when that hasn't been don around here since Al McGuire?  No.  Are the above reasons why both of you catahc some hell around here?  Yes.

The 5 year drum started the day he was hired, hate to break it to you.

[Lennys Tap]

I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.

This is exactly the way I look at things.

When a guy with a history of fairness and a great sense of humor goes mildly negative after an absolutely crushing loss he isn't looked upon the same way as someone who is negative and humorless pretty much all the time. Life is like that.

[NickelDimer]

Good point, my critical reading lapsed on that one. I still take who we've got over Newbill based on what I've seen thus far.  No way DJ sees the court more than Mello on this team.  Gardner will develop into a solid body down low, and EWill is gonna show up at some point (please?!?!).  

What about Reggie Smith?

[Lennys Tap]

My deck?  You and Krav played it last night sunshine.  This is all on you

After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how UW's Traditional players beat #16 Illiinois and in subsequent posts in the thread talks about how "our stupidity sometimes really hurts any athletic advantages we have" and laments that posters (he among them) are "attacked" for asking "why we can't land a few players that play with a high basketball IQ consistently". Check. Several posters take exception to his remarks. Check. One calls them what they are - ignorant and inflammatory but specifically says they are NOT racist. Check. Chicos answers none of the posters on why he's being such a d*ck, but instead launches into a diatribe, accusing people who did no such thing of calling him a racist. Check. And one more time, in his mind only, Chicos becomes the victim. Check.

[ChicosBailBonds]

When a guy with a history of fairness and a great sense of humor goes mildly negative after an absolutely crushing loss he isn't looked upon the same way as someone who is negative and humorless pretty much all the time. Life is like that.

Oh the irony....When a guy with a history of lying about other posters (that's you House) "pretty much all of the time" (is that the new "vast majority")....well you get what you get.  Life is like that. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how smart UW players are and how stupid ours are. Check. Several posters take exception to his remarks. Check. One calls them what they are - ignorant and inflammatory but specifically says they are NOT racist. Check. Chicos answers none of the posters on why he's being such a d*ck, but instead launches into a diatribe, accusing people who did no such thing of calling him a racist. Check. And one more time, in his mind only, Chicos becomes the victim. Check.

There you go LYING AGAIN.

Here's what I said in the opening thread

"Well, at least UW-madison won't beat #16 Illinois with their traditional players

OOops, yes I guess they just did that as well."

Tell me, where in that opening post did I say how "SMART UW PLAYERS ARE"?

I didn't.  Where in that post did I say how "STUPID OUR PLAYERS ARE"?  I didn't.

Now, the thread soon became that kind of pissing match, but you said I started the thread in that manner...I did not.  Why do you have to lie all the time to make a point, I don't get it.  Why do you?  I've defined what traditional means here often.  Kids that can hit free throws, shoot the rock from outside, have a high basketball IQ.  Nowhere have I ever said our players are stupid, I have said our team plays dumb sometimes, that doesn't make our players stupid, but that doesn't stop you from another lie just like your endorsement of that racist post last evening.  You earn what you earn every bit the same as I do with your posts.    


So tell me again, is this statement you made correct..."After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how smart UW players are and how stupid ours are. Check."?  No, it's not.  It's a flat out lie. My post did not say anything at all about our players being "stupid" or how "smart" our players were.  

Now, in even more irony, when everyone slammed on UW's choke the other day, what were your comments Lenny?  Here you go  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23516.0

[NersEllenson]

There you go LYING AGAIN.

Here's what I said in the opening thread

"Well, at least UW-madison won't beat #16 Illinois with their traditional players

OOops, yes I guess they just did that as well."

Tell me House, where in that opening post did I say how "SMART UW PLAYERS ARE"?

I didn't.  Where in that post did I say how "STUPID OUR PLAYERS ARE"?  I didn't.

Now, the thread soon became that kind of pissing match, but you said I started the thread in that manner...I did not.  Why do you have to lie all the time to make a point, I don't get it.  Why do you?  I've defined what traditional means here often.  Kids that can hit free throws, shoot the rock from outside, have a high basketball IQ.  Nowhere have I ever said our players are stupid, I have said our team plays dumb sometimes, that doesn't make our players stupid, but that doesn't stop you from another lie just like your endorsement of that racist post last evening.  You earn what you earn every bit the same as I do with your posts.    


So tell me again, is this statement you made correct..."After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how smart UW players are and how stupid ours are. Check."?  No, it's not.  It's a flat out lie. My post did not say anything at all about our players being "stupid" or how "smart" our players were.  

Now, in even more irony, when everyone slammed on UW's choke the other day, what were your comments Lenny?  Here you go  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23516.0

Lenny - Please don't feed the troll or even acknowledge his existence with a reply.  The fact chicos has gone to the lengths of trying to find out your last name, and then post pictures of "House" from the TV show is beyond weird and creepy.  Furthermore, you have made your points well, and the data supports you..as do about 10 other posters in the UW beats Illinois thread...

[GGGG]

Agreed....let it die.

[Lennys Tap]

Agreed....let it die.

I edited my remarks in the post he cites ever so slightly  to be "word for word" accurate since he views anything less (in other's posts, not his own) to be LIES. It didn't change the gist at all but maybe it will stop his ridiculous, untrue and childish name calling. With that, I'll exit and let it die

[bamamarquettefan]

if we could clarify on needing shooters - everyone does realize we are in the top 10 in the country at both shooting and getting to the line, right?  I get it that Christopherson hits 3-pointers but Newbill is only 3 for 8 from behind the arc this week so I don't see that he improves on one of the top few offenses in the country.

Certainly we can speculate about if a player like Newbill could help us rebound and defend better, but I believe we now have plenty of rebounding at guard - just wish we could get more from the center position.  Newbill does seem to be a part of a pretty good defense there, so yeah I admit I might have short changed him last year.

Would I rather have kept him than Smith?  Obviously now that we know Smith was going to turn the ball over every time he touched it and then transfer out.  But I wouldnt give up next year's lineup for anything.

Still, Newbill may be a part of getting Southern Miss into the tournament this year and I will be happy for him.  Root for the guys who choose MU but have to leave.  Root against guys like Maymon who bail.

[NersEllenson]

if we could clarify on needing shooters - everyone does realize we are in the top 10 in the country at both shooting and getting to the line, right?  I get it that Christopherson hits 3-pointers but Newbill is only 3 for 8 from behind the arc this week so I don't see that he improves on one of the top few offenses in the country.

Certainly we can speculate about if a player like Newbill could help us rebound and defend better, but I believe we now have plenty of rebounding at guard - just wish we could get more from the center position.  Newbill does seem to be a part of a pretty good defense there, so yeah I admit I might have short changed him last year.

Would I rather have kept him than Smith?  Obviously now that we know Smith was going to turn the ball over every time he touched it and then transfer out.  But I wouldnt give up next year's lineup for anything.

Still, Newbill may be a part of getting Southern Miss into the tournament this year and I will be happy for him.  Root for the guys who choose MU but have to leave.  Root against guys like Maymon who bail.

Good points...

[Golden Avalanche]

When a guy with a history of fairness and a great sense of humor goes mildly negative after an absolutely crushing loss he isn't looked upon the same way as someone who is negative and humorless pretty much all the time. Life is like that.

You've been on this 'negative' trip for only the past couple weeks now even though I have been around for almost two years. It seems to be personal and started around the time I asked if you were related to the poster named warthog. I know the entirety of my 600 wouldn't constitute a 'negative' fan but also realize you don't care.
Just a little strange for this fan of 15 years, who goes to lengths to attend MU games each season, to get nailed to the wall as a program hater. Direct opposite of real life.

Anyway, patience.

[mugrad2006]

if we could clarify on needing shooters - everyone does realize we are in the top 10 in the country at both shooting and getting to the line, right?  I get it that Christopherson hits 3-pointers but Newbill is only 3 for 8 from behind the arc this week so I don't see that he improves on one of the top few offenses in the country.

Certainly we can speculate about if a player like Newbill could help us rebound and defend better, but I believe we now have plenty of rebounding at guard - just wish we could get more from the center position.  Newbill does seem to be a part of a pretty good defense there, so yeah I admit I might have short changed him last year.

Would I rather have kept him than Smith?  Obviously now that we know Smith was going to turn the ball over every time he touched it and then transfer out.  But I wouldnt give up next year's lineup for anything.

Still, Newbill may be a part of getting Southern Miss into the tournament this year and I will be happy for him.  Root for the guys who choose MU but have to leave.  Root against guys like Maymon who bail.

Thanks for laying out much more eloquently and concisely what I attempted (poorly) to say with my earlier post.