Mbakwe vs. Crean

[cheebs09]

X= Maurice Creek

I don't think that is a guarantee. I thought Creek said that he liked Crean, but wasn't sure he wanted to play for him at MU. Once he left for Indiana it was a much easier decision for him. I think that was the same for Capobianco as well.

[hairy worthen]

It's a Big Ten thing.........TCU coach complained that Wisconsin football coach didn't shake hands at Rose Bowl

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/After-winning-Rose-bowl-TCU-Horned-Frogs-deserve-piece-of-national-title-010111

Thats ridiculous. Maybe its just a douche bag thing.

[NersEllenson]

If Crean stayed, our likely starting lineup would be Mbakwe, Tyshaun Taylor, Nick Williams, Scott Christopherson and X.   

That would have been a very solid lineup - whether it was Otule or Maurice Creek as the "x."  I'd have a hard time choosing between that lineup and our current lineup - which one I'd prefer.  Close call.

Crowder vs Mbakwe
DJO vs Soctty C
Jimmy Butler vs Nick Williams
Buycks vs Ty Talor

Tough calls to make..

[BrewCity83]

So now we get to the heart of Mbakwe vs. Crean...   who is the bigger crapdick?

Well, based on the size of their hands and feet...I'd have to go with Mbakwe, by a mile.

[hairy worthen]

That would have been a very solid lineup - whether it was Otule or Maurice Creek as the "x."  I'd have a hard time choosing between that lineup and our current lineup - which one I'd prefer.  Close call.

Crowder vs Mbakwe
DJO vs Soctty C
Jimmy Butler vs Nick Williams
Buycks vs Ty Talor

Tough calls to make..

I would take djo over scott c and Butler over Williams. Crowder and Mbakwe are a wash to me and not comparable because they do different things.  Taylor over buycks just because he has more up side.

by the way it is no guarantee that Crean would have kept Mbakwe, wasn't he ready to come back for Buzz? also didn't Williams transfer away from Crean?

[MU B2002]

Taylor over buycks just because he has more up side.

Maybe more upside, but also more baggage. 
Point Plankin.

[Marquette84]

First, I think there's some confusion between seasons.   It's not a Crowder versus Mbakwe or DJO versus Christopherson situation.  In 2008, when Chirsopherson, Taylor and N Williams left, their scholarships were filled with Jimmy Butler and Liam McMorrow.  So the first tradeoff is whether you want the pair of Butler and Liam instead of Scott C., N Williams, and Tyshawn Taylor.   

Obviously someone else had to leave that first season, and as Hariy mentioned, it looked like it was going to be Mbakwe.

Second, I don't believe the other comparisons can be waived off as "or" rather than "and".  Given that Buzz was the primary recruiter for Crean,  he would have still found Crowder and Buycks.  That meant we offer Buycks instead of having a late late scholarship available for Mbao.  We could still take Crowder to complement Mbakwe for 2010-11, and then not take either Smith or Jones.

I think one would have to acknowledge that we still had a good shot at landing DJO anyway--his recruitment was started by Crean when DJO was a junior in HS in NC.  Contrary to popular belief, he was not discovered by Buzz--he was on MU's radar already. 
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/42310512.html
From DJO himself:
"Since my junior year in high school I've been interested in Marquette. That's when Tom Crean was there. They were recruiting me my junior year. I played some summer ball, I kept getting attention from them, and I really liked their style of play."

Finally, I think one has to acknowledge that we were the leader for Wilson for a long time--we probably would have had him right out of HS.  We also probably would have seen Hazel and N. Williams leave.

So here's my guess as the "what might have been" lineup:

Seniors:
Fulce
Christopherson
Buycks

Juniors:
Taylor
DJO
Crowder

Sophs:
Copabianco or Creek
E Williams
Otule
Cadougan
J. Wilson

Frosh:
Blue
Gardner

[BrewCity83]

That's all, of course, assuming that Buzz would've stayed and been able to land those guys as an assistant...

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't think that is a guarantee. I thought Creek said that he liked Crean, but wasn't sure he wanted to play for him at MU. Once he left for Indiana it was a much easier decision for him. I think that was the same for Capobianco as well.

Nothing is a guarantee, but I would have bet my money that it was Creek.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

X= Maurice Creek

sounds about right for an I4 lineup.  4 guards and a forward.

[ChicosBailBonds]

how about Crean walking off the court w/o shaking hands. tubby was looking for him.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=170&f=2353&t=7003712

[CrimsonNCrean]

Is the next Indiana game a must win?

Nope Crean will get at least until 2014 rolls around...     the idiot AD gave Crean a 10 year contract that IU cannot afford to buy out. 

Here is Crean's contract info ..   buyout info at the bottom.

Now that the ink has dried on Tom Crean's 10-year deal, we've taken a closer look at the document and have a Cliff's Notes version for those of you that didn't feel inclined to dig through all 22 pages:

– The compliance language is plentiful. Crean is responsible for the coaching staff, players and all other individuals under his direct or indirect supervision. In the event that Crean becomes aware of a compliance issue, he's required to report it in writing to the Athletic Director.

– Section 2.02 deals with rules violations and the consequences if a violation occurs. Essentially, the language reads that if Crean, an assistant coach, a player or a staff member is involved in a NCAA rules violation, IU reserves the right to suspend him without pay or terminate his employment.

– IU agreed to pay up to $650,000 of his buyout to Marquette.

– Crean's base salary is $600,000 annually. He'll be paid monthly.

– Crean's wife and children will be able to travel on the university dime to all away games, including tournaments.

– Crean will receive two "late model" automobiles for his use.

– Crean will receive eight season tickets to home men's basketball games and at his request, he can receive up to 60 lower level tickets to all home games. For road games, Crean will receive eight tickets. Additionally, he'll get eight tickets to all postseason games, eight tickets to all home football games and eight tickets to any other home IU sporting event.

– For his marketing and promotional efforts, Crean will be compensated as follows:

    * Year 1: $1,400,000
    * Year 2: $1,480,000
    * Year 3: $1,560,000
    * Year 4: $1,640,000
    * Year 5: $1,720,000
    * Year 6: $1,800,000
    * Year 7: $1,880,000
    * Year 8: $1,960,000
    * Year 9: $2,040,000
    * Year 10: $2,120,000

– Crean is allowed to pursue outside endorsement opportunities approved by the Athletic Director, but he must report a detailed earnings report on or before June 30 each year.

– Crean will be compensated as followed for on the court success:

    * Big Ten regular season title: $125,000
    * Big Ten Tournament title: $50,000
    * NCAA Tournament appearance: $25,000
    * NCAA Tournament round of 32: $25,000
    * NCAA Tournament Sweet 16: $35,000 (each assistant will receive one month's salary as a bonus)
    * NCAA Tournament Elite Eight: $50,000
    * NCAA Tournament Final Four: $125,000
    * NCAA Tournament Championship: $250,000

– If Crean decides to leave Indiana, he'll owe the school $3,000,000 if he departs in his first three seasons, $2,000,000 in years four and five and $1,000,000 thereafter until the contract expires.

– The termination legal speak begins on page 11 of the document. The gist is that IU has the deal set up in a way that any notice of a NCAA rules violation gives cause to fire Crean. We can also refer to this as the "Kelvin Sampson provisions" portion of the contract. Hopefully the lawyer who forgot to include this type of strict language in Sampson's deal has been fired.

– In the event that Michael McRobbie is removed or resigns from his seat as President of IU, Crean has the right to renegotiate the termination portion of the deal.

– And finally, in the unlikely event that IU decides to get rid of Crean without just cause, the school will owe him the lesser of $3 million or his base salary for the years remaining on the deal.



A truly bad contract.....      Crean has not earned a dime yet and we are stuck with him for another 7 years.   

[CrimsonNCrean]

Oh and by the way Crean darted after a ref after the Minny game and he did find Tubby later....

[ZiggysFryBoy]

– Crean will be compensated as followed for on the court success:

    * Big Ten regular season title: $125,000
    * Big Ten Tournament title: $50,000
    * NCAA Tournament appearance: $25,000
    * NCAA Tournament round of 32: $25,000
    * NCAA Tournament Sweet 16: $35,000 (each assistant will receive one month's salary as a bonus)
    * NCAA Tournament Elite Eight: $50,000
    * NCAA Tournament Final Four: $125,000
    * NCAA Tournament Championship: $250,000



Those were pretty safe bets for IU to make....