Who is left

[StillAWarrior]

The idea that somehow we wouldn't take a fully qualified player is silly.  When is the last time we have ever denied entry to such a player...if ever???

I'm getting old, and my memory is bad.  I have a vague recollection that there was some sort of problem late in Dukiet's tenure.  The reason I remember this is that on the one and only time I met O'Neil I referred to this fact and asked if his recruits for that year were going to be admitted.  Let's just say that he answered forcefully.

Anyone remember what might have happened late in Dukiet's tenure?

[ATL MU Warrior]

Crowder didn't qualify out of high school and had to spend two years in JUCO, his school losing accreditation had nothing to do with that.  

Fulce and DJO were both non-qualifiers out of high school, they just chose to do a Prep School year first, where they became qualifiers, and then they went the JUCO route.  If Fulce had been a qualifier in the beginning, we would never have heard of him, because he would have gone straight to Texas A&M and used up his eligibility by now.

The only one of our JUCO players that was actually a qualifier straight out of high school was Butler.  The others either did 2 years of JUCO ball, or one year of Prep and one year of JUCO. 

Thank you for correcting my incredibly faulty memory. 

As stated earlier, intent of my original post was not to denigrate our JUCOs (or any JUCOs for that matter).  I love the reasons given by our coach as to why he likes them.  I think those same qualities make us a better team. 

Just a flippant reaction to another apparent target of ours deciding to go elsewhere. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm getting old, and my memory is bad.  I have a vague recollection that there was some sort of problem late in Dukiet's tenure.  The reason I remember this is that on the one and only time I met O'Neil I referred to this fact and asked if his recruits for that year were going to be admitted.  Let's just say that he answered forcefully.

Anyone remember what might have happened late in Dukiet's tenure?

Pete Sears if I recall.  Kid from Ohio.  Wasn't he denied admission to MU during the KO era at the last minute?  Can't recall, just asking.

We had a few others that were admitted and shouldn't have been...Alton Mason was one during the Deane era.

Under Dukiet...good grief.   Hard to keep track anymore and I'm feeling your age as well.  We had the Gerald Posey nightmare.  He was a prop 48 and sat out a year then the next year transferred to Trenton State.  Keith Stewart....he must have played for MU for about 8 nanoseconds before transferring to UC Irvine.  Pop Sims was off punching someone he shouldn't and we had Tony Reeder on academic probation.  Good times.

[bma725]

Pete Sears if I recall.  Kid from Ohio.  Wasn't he denied admission to MU during the KO era at the last minute?  Can't recall, just asking.

We had a few others that were admitted and shouldn't have been...Alton Mason was one during the Deane era.

Under Dukiet...good grief.   Hard to keep track anymore and I'm feeling your age as well.  We had the Gerald Posey nightmare.  He was a prop 48 and sat out a year then the next year transferred to Trenton State.  Keith Stewart....he must have played for MU for about 8 nanoseconds before transferring to UC Irvine.  Pop Sims was off punching someone he shouldn't and we had Tony Reeder on academic probation.  Good times.

Sears is correct.  He was Tony Miller's high school teammate that eventually had a good career at Xavier after he couldn't get in here.

As for Dukiet, his biggest problems were Corey Floyd and Shawn Kelly.  Both were denied at the last minute, Floyd eventually ending up at Providence, no idea what happened to Kelly.  Stewart was a KO guy, not Dukiet.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Sears is correct.  He was Tony Miller's high school teammate that eventually had a good career at Xavier after he couldn't get in here.

As for Dukiet, his biggest problems were Corey Floyd and Shawn Kelly.  Both were denied at the last minute, Floyd eventually ending up at Providence, no idea what happened to Kelly.  Stewart was a KO guy, not Dukiet.

Thanks...you're right...I was thinking of Floyd, too, but couldn't remember his name.  Shawn Kelly, honestly a name I never remember ever coming up.  Thanks for the Stewart clarification.

[NYWarrior]

Sears is correct.  He was Tony Miller's high school teammate that eventually had a good career at Xavier after he couldn't get in here.

As for Dukiet, his biggest problems were Corey Floyd and Shawn Kelly.  Both were denied at the last minute, Floyd eventually ending up at Providence, no idea what happened to Kelly.  Stewart was a KO guy, not Dukiet.

Same thing happened with Kendrick Hamilton (or something like that) with Dukiet....he landed up at UMass, I believe

[NYWarrior]

Under Dukiet...good grief.   Hard to keep track anymore and I'm feeling your age as well.  We had the Gerald Posey nightmare.  He was a prop 48 and sat out a year then the next year transferred to Trenton State.  Keith Stewart....he must have played for MU for about 8 nanoseconds before transferring to UC Irvine.  Pop Sims was off punching someone he shouldn't and we had Tony Reeder on academic probation.  Good times.

Keith Stewart was a Kevin O'Neill recruit....Stew transferred to MU from Purdue.

[TedBaxter]

Kenrick Hamilton was a 6-7 kid from Florida by way of Maine Central Institute.  He ended up at St. Bonaventure after being denied by Marquette.

Shawn Kelly played his high school basketball at Roman Catholic in Philadelphia and spent two years at Northeastern A&M (OK) Community College and went to Duquesne after signing with Marquette.

[bma725]

Don't recall much about Kelly either, other than he was a JUCO.  I'd say that year probably killed Dukiet's career here.  His top three recruits were Kelly, Floyd, and Kendrick Hamilton.  All three were denied admittance right before the start of the school year essentially ending any chance of a successful season.

Of course, that sort of thing may have been more common back then.  Majerus had the same sort of thing with Mel Irvin and David Everett a few years before.  Both signed, neither one actually admitted.  

[Marquette84]

Don't recall much about Kelly either, other than he was a JUCO.  I'd say that year probably killed Dukiet's career here.  His top three recruits were Kelly, Floyd, and Kendrick Hamilton.  All three were denied admittance right before the start of the school year essentially ending any chance of a successful season.

Of course, that sort of thing may have been more common back then.  Majerus had the same sort of thing with Mel Irvin and David Everett a few years before.  Both signed, neither one actually admitted.  

Its an interesting "what if" had Kelly, Floyd and Hamilton been admitted and Posey not left school.  They were all D1 players--which is more than O'Neill said about the replacements that Dukiet landed.

With Posey and the 3 non-admitted players, we may well have been competitive with Xavier and Butler--both of whom used the late 80's/early 90's MCC to start their long run of relative success. We actually beat Xavier for one of the 10 wins in Dukiet's final season.