Bait and Switch. U of New Orleans, Roseboro, Maymon, now Newbill?

[Pakuni]

On the basketball side....yes.

There hasn't been a sense of impropriety since Stu Jackson left their basketball program.

And you're correct, poor choice of words on my part.  We started running off players years ago, but I don't recall us doing it before they even enrolled in the Fall semester which we've done twice now.  I view them differently, completely different.  In one case you actually give the kid a chance to prove himself and he has options with a transfer.  In the other case, the kid is left screwed in the middle of the Summer when there are no scholarships open anywhere in the country that are worth a damn.

So I should have said, "when you start running off players after they sign their NLI and before they start Fall classes..."

There are no scholarships anywhere in the country worth a damn?
Does this mean Kevin Noreen's scholie to WVU, and offers from Indiana, Virginia, Arkansas and Providence, among others, weren't worth a damn?
Are you saying the multiple A-10 offers Roseboro got upon leaving MU weren't worth a damn (especially for a kid of his abilities)?
Are you saying the offers that are rolling in to Newbill (according to Brad Forster, who has all the facts) aren't worth a damn?
Sorry, but the facts dispute that statement.

As for "when you start running off players after they sign their NLI and before they start Fall classes," that sounds an awful lot like tailoring your outrage just to fit a specific set of cimrcumstances. Running off players is fine, just don't do it after they sign their NLI and before they start Fall classes and unless you can claim they didn't qualify for your academic standards even though kids with lesser academic standing did qualify for your academic standards.
I see.

But if you honestly think about it, is a kid who got the Brett Roseboro treatment better or worse off than a kid who gets run off in the manner you find more palatable?

Let's look at his situation. He got sent off before enrolling his freshman year, allowing him to transfer immediately to another program better suited to his skills, avoid any kind of NCAA transfer penalty and play right away as a freshman.

Now, let's compare that to a kid like Brandon Bell.
Bell, like Roseboro, gets to campus and it soon becomes apparent that he's not a high major college basketball player. He nonethless sticks around to "prove" himself, if that's what you call earning less than 5 minutes per game, most of it in garbage time, and going many games without even seeing the court except dressed in warmups. After an essentially wasted freshman year, Bell transfers to Detroit, where he's forced to sit out another year under NCAA transfer rules.

Now ask yourself, who got the more raw deal? The kid who got to hook on with another program and play right away after leaving Marquette during the summer, or the kid who wasted the first two years of his college career?
If you're being honest, you'll say it's the latter.

[MUSF]

There are no scholarships anywhere in the country worth a damn?
Does this mean Kevin Noreen's scholie to WVU, and offers from Indiana, Virginia, Arkansas and Providence, among others, weren't worth a damn?
Are you saying the multiple A-10 offers Roseboro got upon leaving MU weren't worth a damn (especially for a kid of his abilities)?
Are you saying the offers that are rolling in to Newbill (according to Brad Forster, who has all the facts) aren't worth a damn?
Sorry, but the facts dispute that statement.

As for "when you start running off players after they sign their NLI and before they start Fall classes," that sounds an awful lot like tailoring your outrage just to fit a specific set of cimrcumstances. Running off players is fine, just don't do it after they sign their NLI and before they start Fall classes and unless you can claim they didn't qualify for your academic standards even though kids with lesser academic standing did qualify for your academic standards.
I see.

But if you honestly think about it, is a kid who got the Brett Roseboro treatment better or worse off than a kid who gets run off in the manner you find more palatable?

Let's look at his situation. He got sent off before enrolling his freshman year, allowing him to transfer immediately to another program better suited to his skills, avoid any kind of NCAA transfer penalty and play right away as a freshman.

Now, let's compare that to a kid like Brandon Bell.
Bell, like Roseboro, gets to campus and it soon becomes apparent that he's not a high major college basketball player. He nonethless sticks around to "prove" himself, if that's what you call earning less than 5 minutes per game, most of it in garbage time, and going many games without even seeing the court except dressed in warmups. After an essentially wasted freshman year, Bell transfers to Detroit, where he's forced to sit out another year under NCAA transfer rules.

Now ask yourself, who got the more raw deal? The kid who got to hook on with another program and play right away after leaving Marquette during the summer, or the kid who wasted the first two years of his college career?
If you're being honest, you'll say it's the latter.

+1

The problem I have with the situation isn't that Newbill got screwed.  He didn't.  I'm sure he would have liked things to work out differently but he will still be able to get an education for playing bball somewhere.  He will also probably end up at a school where he will contribute more as a player than he likely would have at MU.

The only difference I see between Crean and Buzz in these situations is how the message is managed.  Crean was calculating and always seemed to mitigate potential negative backlash well.  With Saunders it was academic reasons, with others it was personal issues.  Some people on this board and from outside the MU community called B.S., and maybe rightfully so, but overall it actually worked pretty well.  Crean didn't break the rules and the reasons he provided for running players off were valid, even if they may not have been 100% true.