Philly.com article on Newbill

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's not "imponderable."  Three instances of "lack of communication, mis-understandings or whatever that took place," in two years at the helm is an indicator of a problem.  Now, that problem could be as simple as poor communication or it could be as bad as dishonesty.  That, I won't speculate on because we don't have the facts, but don't tell us there's nothing to see here. 

Why do you hate Buzz

[ChicosBailBonds]

All of this happened BEFORE any official practice. Buzz had not even worked with him yet. Kind of premature, don't you think?

Why do you hate Buzz?

[ChicosBailBonds]

The problem with your DO THE RIGHT THING mantra is that if Newbill was a willing participant in this, than nothing WRONG was done.
It's not the best way of handling recruiting, and I'd like to never see it happen again. But there's nothing WRONG, unethical or immoral about it.

Well based on Newbill's reaction, I'd say he wasn't a willing participant.  Based on his AAU coach's reaction, I'd say he wasn't a willing participant.  Based on his high school coach's reaction, I'd say he wasn't a willing participant.....or, maybe, we just have a staff that communicates poorly to kids from Pennsylvania.

[Pakuni]

It's more than being a willing participant or not.  Willing participants can still be taken advantage of.

So that's the standard now?
Well, crap, we might as well do away with major college athletics entirely.
Cause every single one of those kids is getting taken advantage of. Willingly.

[Dawson Rental]

A quote from the article:

"Laws was relieved of his coaching duties late in the season over a flap with the principal, Lois Powell Mondesire. He said his efforts thereafter to assure that school personnel would assist Newbill in dotting i's and crossing t's in preparation for Marquette were hindered by the lingering ill will."

And now its the fault of Newbill's HS principal because Laws got pissed off that the warmups she purchased for the team weren't classy enough and got fired over disssing them to the principals face.

[NersEllenson]

Well based on Newbill's reaction, I'd say he wasn't a willing participant.  Based on his AAU coach's reaction, I'd say he wasn't a willing participant.  Based on his high school coach's reaction, I'd say he wasn't a willing participant.....or, maybe, we just have a staff that communicates poorly to kids from Pennsylvania.

I don't think it is unusual that Newbill would react and say he is/was upset about this - of course he was, as he was HOPEFUL he'd get to MU.  We cannot dismiss 100% of what IWB shared/wrote regarding MU's position in the Newbill recruitment.  I found it weird that just when it was being speculated that Newbill wasn't going to come to MU - back in late May - shortly after the Gardner signing..and then even after Mbao transferred  - Buzz/Rosiak indicated someone was headed for prep school and that player knew who they were.  At this same time on MUScoop..Golden Avalanche said Newbill was out..other people speculated the same..and it was at that time Philly Coach and Brad Forester appeared  -almost in unison.  Have we ever had another recruit's coach post here?  Have any other MU alum filmed a kid we signed and uploaded that video to Scoop?  It seems to me that Forester and Laws were trying to build up sentiment that Newbill was coming to campus for sure..and that in tthe event he didn't..a terrible travesty would have taken place...which could cause some outrage/create a PR nightmare for Buzz/MU..with the thinking being that maybe Buzz wouldn't risk a PR problem..and just let Newbill in.  We both know that the Maymon's tried to back Buzz into a corner and force him to play JMay at the 2..and Buzz called their bluff and told him to transfer.  Either way..I don't like this recruiting practice - and would hope Buzz doesn't engage in it again. But, I'm still a Buzz fan

[ATWizJr]

I'm far from a liberal, but I believe in honoring commitments.  This isn't hard or complex.  It's called DOING THE RIGHT THING, something both liberals and conservatives should both strive for.

There's plenty of doubt about what the actual facts are in this case.  Until they are verified, I plan on giving the benefit of that doubt to Buzz and MU. Isn't that your plan as well? 

[AZWarrior]

It's called DOING THE RIGHT THING, something both liberals and conservatives should both strive for.

Yet liberals and conservatives often have quite divergent opinions on just what is "the right thing".   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yet liberals and conservatives often have quite divergent opinions on just what is "the right thing".   

Very true, hopefully honoring a written commitment isn't one of those divergent opinions.

[thatman32]

Very true, hopefully honoring a written commitment isn't one of those divergent opinions.

A written committment is nothing more then a piece of paper, generally signed by two parties, it means nothing.  In the world of lawyers it might mean something but thats about it.

The 'right things' only means that chicos agrees with you otherwise your misguided, a simpleton and obviously not intelligent.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

New article on Philly.com now

http://m.philly.com/phillycom/pm_21406/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=B0E2CEF0334DACB729BBA0E1D917CD1F?contentguid=PSBc9eMy

[77ncaachamps]

A quote from the article:

"Laws was relieved of his coaching duties late in the season over a flap with the principal, Lois Powell Mondesire. He said his efforts thereafter to assure that school personnel would assist Newbill in dotting i's and crossing t's in preparation for Marquette were hindered by the lingering ill will."

And now its the fault of Newbill's HS principal because Laws got pissed off that the warmups she purchased for the team weren't classy enough and got fired over disssing them to the principals face.

The article talked about Laws "who coached Newbill through most of the year."

MOST OF THE YEAR?

Well as a few posts alluded to, Laws - a volunteer head coach - was dismissed.

Article here: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20100224_Strawberry_Mansion_cuts_ties_with_volunteer_coach_Laws.html

From the article:

*"Laws said he was kept abreast of developments all day by Mansion teachers. He added that he received six total job offers from Pub coaches, junior college coaches and someone who wants him to direct a youth hoops program.

"I've had a lot of visitors at my house," Laws said. "Lots of crying is taking place over this. Grown men, too. Thirty, 40 years old. But I'll be OK."

Mansion still can earn a spot in the Class AA state playoffs with a consolation win over Prep Charter; details on that game TBA.

"The kids want to forfeit," Laws said. "We're going to meet about that. I have to convince them to go forward.

"It would be a fallacy to think that we lost that Franklin game because I wasn't there. But that definitely would explain the emotional drop. I'm tight with these kids."*

Lots of egos and personas involved here...

There's GOT to be more to the statements that are being released.

Unfortunately, I think the lawyers and advisers for both sides may not allow any info to be released.

Maybe there's something Nova knew - hence the non-heavy recruitment, though St. Joe's and Temple pushed hard.

[TJ]

A written committment is nothing more then a piece of paper, generally signed by two parties, it means nothing.  In the world of lawyers it might mean something but thats about it.

The 'right things' only means that chicos agrees with you otherwise your misguided, a simpleton and obviously not intelligent.  

It means something to one of those parties, since it's binding on the students.

If that's your theory on contracts and contract law, remind me never to enter into any sort of agreement with you.