james/grossman

[thekahoona]

i have held my tongue for the past 10 games.  not posted a thing or even a comment to a thread.  i thought that there would be a turn...and there may still be...but

living in chicago, i watched, painfully, as sunday after sunday, the city would hold its collective breath and wait to see which rex grossman showed up to play.  rex grossman's problem was that if he got in trouble, he'd try to make a big play to get himself out of trouble.

then the superbowl...'nuff said.

now we have dominic james who has been in a shooting slump for 8 out of 10 games.  yet, he still tries to make "the big shot."  on the one hand you respect the courage to keep at it.  but at some point, he has to look at what he is doing and ask himself, "what else can i do in this game to help the team?"  i also fault crean for not forcing the issue with his point guard. 

don't misunderstand.  we're better with james in the game.  but we seem to be best when james refrains from shooting beyond the three point arc completely.

just my opinion and i guess i'm still struck by the parallels with the chicago bears.

now, i have to go put up with three siblings that went to nd...ouch.

[77ncaachamps]

Nice comparison.

I think there should be some argument or shoving scuffle between David and DJ. Maybe the team will be forced to come together again.

Cuz they sure don't look like the team that took it to the top 10 with harmonious play.

[lab_warrior]

I thought James played fine today, he didn't force too many shots.  Fitz and McNeal were not so great.  If Fitz could make a few shots, we would have been fine. McNeal's foul trouble, that was partly him plus the bullsh** officiating.

[77ncaachamps]

I thought James played fine today, he didn't force too many shots.  Fitz and McNeal were not so great.  If Fitz could make a few shots, we would have been fine. McNeal's foul trouble, that was partly him plus the bullsh** officiating.

Play is one thing; the box score is another:

James - 6/20 FG, 1-4 3PT, 1-3 FT, 9 REB, 7? AST
Jerel - 3/10 FG, 2-3 3PT, 8-11 FT, 3 REB, ? AST
Wes - 7-8 FG, 1-2 3PT, 5 REB, ? AST

Jerel was not his usual self, but Wes did the best he could in FT situation.

I most disappointed with Fitz and Barro.

[LastWarrior]

Bad comparison... some of you Packer fans may have forgot that Grossman's team was in the Super Bowl.  James' team is going to limp into the tournament.

Besides... this game was in no way on DJ.  How about Barro missing a layup and a dunk?  What about Barro only getting 3 rebounds?  How about Lazar missing a put-back dunk?  What about Fitz going 1-8 on 3's and passing up wide-open looks?  The big three held up their end of the bargain today... the rest of the team needs to wake up!!

[marquette09]

Bad comparison... some of you Packer fans may have forgot that Grossman's team was in the Super Bowl.  James' team is going to limp into the tournament.

Besides... this game was in no way on DJ.  How about Barro missing a layup and a dunk?  What about Barro only getting 3 rebounds?  How about Lazar missing a put-back dunk?  What about Fitz going 1-8 on 3's and passing up wide-open looks?  The big three held up their end of the bargain today... the rest of the team needs to wake up!!

Grossman limped into the playoffs, playing his worse at the end of the regurlar season.

I think its a great comparrison

[CTWarrior]

DJ does a lot for us on the defensive end even when he's not scoring, so I don't think its particularly apt. 

REMINDER - WE HAVE NO LOW BLOCKS-CATCH THE BALL-MAKE A MOVE AND SCORE PLAYERS ON THIS ROSTER.  NONE.

The guards therefore are going to have to force bad shots because the dump it down low and get the open shot on the kickout is not available to us like it is to almost every other freakin' major college team in America.  So our guards have to penetrate and make things happen.  And sometimes we run into a good defensive possession and we take a bad shot.  Unfortunately James has been doing it too much lately and he's not making a lot of the good shots he takes, either.  But our guards have to keep shooting because we don't have anything else.  Besides, if the defense doesn't have to respect a DJ shot, what are our weapons?

[77ncaachamps]

Did his Richmond (IN) team have a low-post presence? I mean, he shot a lot in high school and went off earlier this year...what happened?

I'm sure it's his confidence. The only way to build up confidence is to shoot more...in practice and drills.

[LastWarrior]

Bad comparison... some of you Packer fans may have forgot that Grossman's team was in the Super Bowl.  James' team is going to limp into the tournament.

Besides... this game was in no way on DJ.  How about Barro missing a layup and a dunk?  What about Barro only getting 3 rebounds?  How about Lazar missing a put-back dunk?  What about Fitz going 1-8 on 3's and passing up wide-open looks?  The big three held up their end of the bargain today... the rest of the team needs to wake up!!

Grossman limped into the playoffs, playing his worse at the end of the regurlar season.

I think its a great comparrison

When we get to the National Championship game and DJ struggles, then it's a great comparison.  

BTW, last time I checked, there are four other guys on the court with DJ.  Where were they today?  Like I said above, what about Barro, Fitz, & Lazar?  They didn't perform and we lost... plain and simple.  Football and Basketball are both team sports and it takes more person to win a game... just ask MJ about it.

[LastWarrior]

Bad comparison... some of you Packer fans may have forgot that Grossman's team was in the Super Bowl.  James' team is going to limp into the tournament.

Besides... this game was in no way on DJ.  How about Barro missing a layup and a dunk?  What about Barro only getting 3 rebounds?  How about Lazar missing a put-back dunk?  What about Fitz going 1-8 on 3's and passing up wide-open looks?  The big three held up their end of the bargain today... the rest of the team needs to wake up!!

Grossman limped into the playoffs, playing his worse at the end of the regurlar season.

I think its a great comparrison

When we get to the National Championship game and DJ struggles, then it's a great comparison.  

BTW, last time I checked, there are four other guys on the court with DJ.  Where were they today?  Like I said above, what about Barro, Fitz, & Lazar?  They didn't perform and we lost... plain and simple.  Football and Basketball are both team sports and it takes more than one person to win a game... just ask MJ about it.

[lab_warrior]

Yeah, as a Bears fan, no way is DJ like Grossman AT ALL.  MU doesn't win games despite James playing lousy.  More than a few games (Valpo, SFla, Louisville) the kid has CARRIED US.  Grossman never did that for the Bears this year.  If you're going to make the analogy, it's more like DJ-Urlacher.
Don't lie either--when he went down after knocking knees--you were scared!  Unless you're comfortable with the suddenly non-scoring Cubillan as the PG.

[thekahoona]

look, i know james brings more to the floor than his shooting ability.  but, when you take 20 shots and miss 14 of them (and most of those from 15+ feet) you're talking lost possessions.  i watched the stinkin game.  a lot of shots were forced, bad shots -- mostly with time on the shot clock.  another pass to someone (matthews) with the hot hand would have been better.

also, i am talking about james' performance, and ONLY james' performance and its comparison to grossman and what he did under pressure. 

no one else on the team rose to the occasion...but i don't think james really lead them there either.  that is a separate discussion.

[tower912]

For the last 2 minutes of the first half, we had DJ, Cuuub, Fitz, Kinsella and Burke on the floor.  If not DJ, who?   I know Wes and Jerel had what look like better stats, but how many minutes did they play because of foul trouble.   DJ needed to take the game over like he did at Valpo, but couldn't get the shot to fall and couldn't get a call.   This game is not on DJ.