Quote from: panda on November 29, 2025, 02:51:55 PMReally going out on a limb saying it can't get any worse than this year!

Very clear you're not interested in an actual discussion. Peace.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 29, 2025, 02:43:06 PMThe problem is when everyone defending him, like yourself, point out back to back 2 seeds they're talking about a program built differently than the one he's built now.

His first round draft pick was a transfer. His All American PG was a transfer. I'm not someone who thinks he needs to go portaling every year, but you don't get to brag about how he's doing it the right way when this is his first year actually doing that (you can call last year that too, but they fell apart last year). The results are terrible thus far.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves in this debate. Who cares they they were transfers? Those transfers played like normal college freshmen and sophomores their first year. Nobody projected them to improve like they did. Some wanted them to transfer out.

It doesn't matter if he takes transfers. It matters that his talent identification improves. This year's freshman class looks a lot better than the last two. That needs to continue. If it does, we'll be fine. If it doesn't, then I'll have concerns about Shaka. But it has nothing to do with if he's willing to take a transfer or two.

Quote from: BM1090 on November 29, 2025, 02:49:26 PMI don't agree, but even if I did it has nothing to do what I said. I'm not saying we're going to compete for the Big East next year. We're not. But I don't think it's hard to see how this team improves a lot next year either.

Really going out on a limb saying it can't get any worse than this year!

There is no reason a Marquette team in the 5th year of a coaches successful tenure should be this horrible. So many mistakes had to happen to reach this point and much of it is highly concerning for the future if no philosophical changes are made.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 29, 2025, 02:49:46 PMHuh.

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Quote from: BM1090 on November 29, 2025, 02:46:06 PMEh. Lot of average teams in the Big East. And ultimately I don't think they reach 11 or 12 Big East wins.

If Dayton and Oklahoma had swung our way a lot of people would have hope for that total. But nothing is significantly different about this team without those two wins. Need to learn how to close games and fix some of these droughts. There are countless examples every year of teams that improve as the year goes on.

We're 356th in luck on Kenpom. I don't think it's actually luck, it's lack of execution in big situations. But if that improves then the results will come with it.

Big East is definitely mediocre but we've had nice leads against Maryland, Dayton, and Oklahoma and found ways to lose them all with extremely poor play, bad decision-making, and bad coaching. 

I love Shaka and am probably one of the more optimistic posters here but I haven't seen anything yet that makes me feel like we'll have the consistency to win more than 8 Big East games.  Really, really hope I'm wrong on that.

We can't shoot from 3, we can't convert in the paint, we can't defend, and we can't turnover good teams.  Other than that, everything is great. 

Quote from: wadesworld on November 29, 2025, 02:48:19 PMShaka's done it a lot of ways in his coaching career. It's why I think he'll adjust and continue to be a high level coach.

I certainly hope so. Going into this season with Caedin Hamilton as the starting center has got me having doubts.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 29, 2025, 02:47:03 PMNot remotely what I said - maybe you should re-read your comment and my response.

You said he takes as many unknown projects as he possibly can.  That's objectively false. 

Again, comprehension seems to be an issue for you.  Norman hasn't worked out but he was a pretty highly regarded recruit.  That's that point based on your comments. 

Huh.

Quote from: panda on November 29, 2025, 02:40:56 PMThis team is alarmingly bad. Without Ross, we would have multiple losses to cupcakes. Much different than shaka's first team/second team.

I don't agree, but even if I did it has nothing to do what I said. I'm not saying we're going to compete for the Big East next year. We're not. But I don't think it's hard to see how this team improves a lot next year either.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 29, 2025, 02:43:06 PMThe problem is when everyone defending him, like yourself, point out back to back 2 seeds they're talking about a program built differently than the one he's built now.

His first round draft pick was a transfer. His All American PG was a transfer. I'm not someone who thinks he needs to go portaling every year, but you don't get to brag about how he's doing it the right way when this is his first year actually doing that (you can call last year that too, but they fell apart last year). The results are terrible thus far.

Shaka's done it a lot of ways in his coaching career. It's why I think he'll adjust and continue to be a high level coach.

Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 02:48:32 PMThe fact you think the coach of a high major program recruiting 6 high major prospects over 4 seasons is some sort of win is hysterical. How are you not seeing what's so goddamn obvious. 5 years in and we BLOW.

Not remotely what I said - maybe you should re-read your comment and my response.

You said he takes as many unknown projects as he possibly can.  That's objectively false. 

Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 03:40:05 PMTo add to this. You're pointing to Owens and Norman, as if one isn't so bad he can't see the field and the other isn't so bad that simple drives or made FT's is seen as a giant improvement in his game.

Cool. Shaka has recruited 7 profile recruits. 2 absolutely blow, 1 had a good freshman year and regressed, 2 look to be actual HM players, and 2 haven't stepped on the court. So again, congrats??

Again, comprehension seems to be an issue for you.  Norman hasn't worked out but he was a pretty highly regarded recruit.  That's that point based on your comments.