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Title: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on October 30, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Within in the next two weeks or so, Markus Howard will become Marquette's all-time leading scorer. Ho-hum. That's just the beginning of what could be a long, prolific scoring spree that redefines not just the Marquette record books, but a few NCAA marks as well.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/10/markus-howard-scoring-record-watch.html
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on October 30, 2019, 06:04:09 PM
I believe Maravich holds the single season scoring record.  1381 in 31 games in 1970.  44.5 per, on 38 shots per game.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on October 30, 2019, 06:06:31 PM
I believe Maravich holds the single season scoring record.  1381 in 31 games in 1970.  44.5 per, on 38 shots per game.

Yeah, the Kimble record is modern era, since the three point line. May need to edit that.

Edited, thanks oldwarrior81.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: mu_hilltopper on October 30, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
You've doomed him to a season ending injury next week, you know that, right?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: MUUWUWM on October 30, 2019, 07:08:10 PM
Brew...your just amazing. Thanks for all the work you put in.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Shooter McGavin on October 30, 2019, 09:49:24 PM
Agreed,  thanks Brew.  Appreciate the effort.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on October 30, 2019, 10:41:08 PM
Thanks, guys. Been meaning to do this for awhile. Glad I found time before the season started.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 31, 2019, 07:34:23 AM
What?  You don't think he can knock off Pistol Pete's all-time record?  Some fan you are.  That's only roughly 44 ppg.  Doable.


Great work, Brew.  Thank you.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: dgies9156 on October 31, 2019, 07:58:27 AM
Gosh I hope he doesn't break Maravich's record. Because those were really bad LSU teams and the line-up was Maravich and four dead bodies. We're better than that.

Maravich had to get 44 points for those LSU teams. Otherwise LSU would be shut out.

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2019, 08:17:29 AM
I am feeling 900 points.   36 games, 25 ppg. 
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on October 31, 2019, 03:02:11 PM
What?  You don't think he can knock off Pistol Pete's all-time record?  Some fan you are.  That's only roughly 44 ppg.  Doable.


Great work, Brew.  Thank you.

Actually, thanks to Marquette playing more games these days, Markus would "only" have to average slightly over 35.4 ppg and reach the national championship game. If he wants to make a run at the Pistol, I'm here for it.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: dgies9156 on October 31, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
Actually, thanks to Marquette playing more games these days, Markus would "only" have to average slightly over 35.4 ppg and reach the national championship game. If he wants to make a run at the Pistol, I'm here for it.

Assume we replaced Wojo with the Ghost of Press Maravich (this is Halloween after all). Press takes a liking to Markus and does the LSU thing. He creates the "Hauserletter" Offense to get Markus 35.4 ppg or more.

How long do you think it would take before defenses doubled and tripled Markus?

Assume we averaged 77 ppg as a team (not unreasonable if our defense is any good), that would mean that the entire rest of the team (including the bench) would average 41.6 ppg, or an average of about 4.5 points per player, assuming we went 11 deep.

If you throttled Markus and held him to 25 ppg or less under those circumstances, no way we're going to win more than a handful of our games. That folks, is what happened to LSU in the late 1960s.



Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 31, 2019, 03:20:37 PM
Assume we replaced Wojo with the Ghost of Press Maravich (this is Halloween after all). Press takes a liking to Markus and does the LSU thing. He creates the "Hauserletter" Offense to get Markus 35.4 ppg or more.

How long do you think it would take before defenses doubled and tripled Markus?

Assume we averaged 77 ppg as a team (not unreasonable if our defense is any good), that would mean that the entire rest of the team (including the bench) would average 41.6 ppg, or an average of about 4.5 points per player, assuming we went 11 deep.

If you throttled Markus and held him to 25 ppg or less under those circumstances, no way we're going to win more than a handful of our games. That folks, is what happened to LSU in the late 1960s.


If teams want to double or triple team Markus, let them.  This isn't the late 60s, and the supporting cast is better than LSU's.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 31, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
Actually, thanks to Marquette playing more games these days, Markus would "only" have to average slightly over 35.4 ppg and reach the national championship game. If he wants to make a run at the Pistol, I'm here for it.

Doesn't he need 1713 to pass Maravich's 3,367?  What is the max we could play?  Is it 39 or 40?  That would put him in the 43-44 ppg, wouldn't it?


Absolutely ridiculous that Maravich needed only 83 games to reach that number.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on October 31, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
the LSU teams weren't that bad.  Not great by any stretch, but not terrible.

In 1970 LSU went 13-5 and finished second to Kentucky in the SEC.  With only one bid per conference getting a NT bid, LSU went the NIT route and as we know, lost to the MU team in NYC.

When Maravich was a freshman the varsity was 3-23.  1-17 in conference.  So 13-5 was a near miracle in three seasons

While Pistol's teammates didn't get a lot of shots, there definitely were rebounds aplenty.

Dan Hester put up 16 and 11.  Al Sanders with 12 and 15.  Bill Newton added 11 & 10.

on a side note, Maravich scored 714 points as a freshman.  Which would have put him around 4400 points scored in less than  100 games at LSU.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on October 31, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
Doesn't he need 1713 to pass Maravich's 3,367?  What is the max we could play?  Is it 39 or 40?  That would put him in the 43-44 ppg, wouldn't it?


Absolutely ridiculous that Maravich needed only 83 games to reach that number.

I was referring to the single season record. 39 is the max number of games, which would mean just over 43.9 ppg to pass Maravich for career scoring. Of course, that's also close to doubling Markus' 3-year total in one season.

Even with the offense designed for him, those are insane numbers Maravich put up, especially in just 3 years.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: dgies9156 on October 31, 2019, 07:32:31 PM


1967-1968 and 1968-1969, LSU was awful.

The addition of "Fig" Newton and "Apple" Sanders changed a lot down there. Those guys were beasts and played basketball the way Dick Butkus or Ray Nitschkie played football.

Sorry gang but I was never a fan of LSU or Maravich. Saw him over the years at Memorial Gym at Vanderbilt University and he impressed me as a spoiled punk. Got to the NIT and had his head handed to him by the one team that knew how to play defense -- OUR WARRIORS!!!!

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Newsdreams on October 31, 2019, 07:50:16 PM
I was referring to the single season record. 39 is the max number of games, which would mean just over 43.9 ppg to pass Maravich for career scoring. Of course, that's also close to doubling Markus' 3-year total in one season.

Even with the offense designed for him, those are insane numbers Maravich put up, especially in just 3 years.
With no 3 pt line
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 31, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
With no 3 pt line

Or shot clock...
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: LloydsLegs on October 31, 2019, 08:45:46 PM
Very cool, Brew
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Herman Cain on October 31, 2019, 10:51:54 PM
the LSU teams weren't that bad.  Not great by any stretch, but not terrible.

In 1970 LSU went 13-5 and finished second to Kentucky in the SEC.  With only one bid per conference getting a NT bid, LSU went the NIT route and as we know, lost to the MU team in NYC.

When Maravich was a freshman the varsity was 3-23.  1-17 in conference.  So 13-5 was a near miracle in three seasons

While Pistol's teammates didn't get a lot of shots, there definitely were rebounds aplenty.

Dan Hester put up 16 and 11.  Al Sanders with 12 and 15.  Bill Newton added 11 & 10.

on a side note, Maravich scored 714 points as a freshman.  Which would have put him around 4400 points scored in less than  100 games at LSU.
Pistol Pete was one of the most enjoyable and talented players I ever saw live.  If he played in the three point era his point totals would be incredible.  The guy could hit from distance with people hanging all over him.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on November 06, 2019, 07:26:44 AM
I will continue to update this article as the season goes on. Accomplishments already surpassed are highlighted while the blue text indicates where Howard is currently at. I am including his career total and season average as well so we can forecast where he might end up.

FWIW, at his current pace, he would score 1,216 points on the season if Marquette played the likely minimum of 32 games. If they played the maximum 39 games, he would even eclipse Pete Maravich's single season scoring record by more than 100 points.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Its DJOver on November 13, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
No shame in being overlooked, but Markus did become the first men's player to eclipse 2,000 points tonight.  Wonder if he'll get another ceremonial ball next home game?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on November 14, 2019, 12:06:49 AM
With 18 points tonight, Markus Howard became the first Marquette men's player to eclipse 2,000 career points. He's a ways away from the next mark on the list. 185 more points to join the all time top-10 Big East scorers.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on November 15, 2019, 12:36:46 PM
Joe McCann of Scrambled Eggs was wondering on the podcast about George Thompson's career scoring average record. To make his life easier, I tallied up exactly how many points Markus Howard would need to have at any given point of the season to take that record from Thompson, rounding all numbers up because you have to get the over to take the average.

An explanation of how the table works and the table itself was added to the bottom of the original post on Cracked Sidewalks (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/10/markus-howard-scoring-record-watch.html). To pass Thompson in Marquette's next game, Howard would need 68 points at the Kohl Center. At his current 28.0 ppg pace, he would pass Thompson at Kansas State on December 7, assuming he plays in every game to that point.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: jsglow on November 15, 2019, 02:27:53 PM
Joe McCann of Scrambled Eggs was wondering on the podcast about George Thompson's career scoring average record. To make his life easier, I tallied up exactly how many points Markus Howard would need to have at any given point of the season to take that record from Thompson, rounding all numbers up because you have to get the over to take the average.

An explanation of how the table works and the table itself was added to the bottom of the original post on Cracked Sidewalks (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2019/10/markus-howard-scoring-record-watch.html). To pass Thompson in Marquette's next game, Howard would need 68 points at the Kohl Center. At his current 28.0 ppg pace, he would pass Thompson at Kansas State on December 7, assuming he plays in every game to that point.

I think we would all enjoy a game where The Superfans' 'Mary Pat' reported: 'Markus Howard 68, F*cky Negative 14'.   ;D
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on November 28, 2019, 08:14:50 PM
Markus' 40-point effort against Davidson has him up to 125 for the season, 2,080 for his career, and at exactly 20.0 ppg.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: LoudMouth on December 11, 2019, 11:21:51 AM
Possible catagory to add is all time 3 pointers made. He is 45 made 3's away from cracking the top 25, 61 away from passing Rowsey, & 101 away from cracking top 5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_career_3-point_scoring_leaders
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: lawdog77 on December 11, 2019, 11:35:12 AM
Possible catagory to add is all time 3 pointers made. He is 45 made 3's away from cracking the top 25, 61 away from passing Rowsey, & 101 away from cracking top 5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_career_3-point_scoring_leaders
Look at it quickly, he and Fletcher Magee have basically the same 3FG%. Everyone else on the list is at a lower %. Meaning-Markus needs to shoot more. :)
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on December 11, 2019, 11:46:47 AM
George Thompson holds the three year scoring record @ MU.  87 games,  1773 points,  20.4 avg

Through the K-State game, Markus' sophomore-senior three year totals sit at:  76 games, 1746 points,  23.0 avg
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Coleman on December 11, 2019, 11:54:36 AM
Very cool, Brew

Thank you Brew, very cool!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 11, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
George Thompson holds the three year scoring record @ MU.  87 games,  1773 points,  20.4 avg

Through the K-State game, Markus' sophomore-senior three year totals sit at:  76 games, 1746 points,  23.0 avg

That's a very good one...hadn't thought of that. Will add it.

Will also incorporate those made threes. Not sure where it will approximate in, but I'll figure it out.

EDIT: That said, Howard does already have the three-year scoring record as he scored 1,955 from his freshman-junior years.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 11, 2019, 01:14:16 PM
Possible catagory to add is all time 3 pointers made. He is 45 made 3's away from cracking the top 25, 61 away from passing Rowsey, & 101 away from cracking top 5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_career_3-point_scoring_leaders

I added in the Marquette threes record (Novak), the Marquette player threes record (Rowsey), the top-25, the top-5, and the Big East made threes record (Gerry McNamara).

I also added records for sophomore-senior scoring, two year scoring, and three year scoring.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 20, 2019, 06:28:15 AM
Potentially a big night for Howard tonight, though North Dakota State plays a slow-down style that could impact his ability to score big. Here are the "within reach" targets for the Bison game:

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: pbiflyer on December 20, 2019, 08:02:14 AM
Thanks for doing this brew.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: SaveOD238 on December 20, 2019, 08:44:05 AM

  • 31 Points: Howard, along with brother Jordan, would surpass Steph and Seth Curry as the highest scoring brotherly duo in NCAA history with 4,737 points.

This is lining up perfectly for the next game, against Central Arkansas, where Jordan played.  I expect a timeout or halftime ceremony with the both of them.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 20, 2019, 10:16:33 PM
Yowza!!! George Thompson's sophomore-senior scoring record, Allazia Blockton's player scoring record, the top-10 in all-time Big East scoring, and the all-time brothers scoring record all in one night. Howard also tied Steve Novak for the most made threes in Marquette history.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: MUEng92 on December 20, 2019, 11:17:40 PM
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1208250612321837057/pu/pl/YkEAtGLCT8EvE9VI.m3u8?tag=10

I feel like calling my brothers now
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 07:02:23 AM
I've updated the list after last night's assault on the record books, breaking 4 and tying another. I also added each of the top-5 scorers in league history along with a short record of their accomplishments.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 21, 2019, 08:25:58 AM
This is great stuff, Brew. Thank you.

I stumbled across another one for you: the all-time sibling combined record of 5113 points held by Cheryl and Reggie Miller.  Definitely doable.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: tower912 on December 21, 2019, 08:35:39 AM
The Millers.   Nice find.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 08:47:23 AM
This is great stuff, Brew. Thank you.

I stumbled across another one for you: the all-time sibling combined record of 5113 points held by Cheryl and Reggie Miller.  Definitely doable.

Great find, SAW! I added it to the list, definitely attainable. At last year's pace, this would fall on my birthday at Providence.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 21, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
This is great stuff, Brew. Thank you.

I stumbled across another one for you: the all-time sibling combined record of 5113 points held by Cheryl and Reggie Miller.  Definitely doable.

What about all time leading scoring families?  Chris and Doug Collins? Doc and his boys?

Or college football/basketball father and son combo?  The Howards vs. the Hills?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 21, 2019, 10:14:25 AM
Great work, Brew, but I was wondering why no one seems to be looking at an even more important Markus stat.

From what I can tell, he is making a total mockery of the all-time MU SOTG race (shame on me if data prior to 2010 shows otherwise).  Certainly such a great number of Scoop awards has to rank pretty high o his list of accomplishments!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: ProjoSlim on December 21, 2019, 03:48:37 PM
Great work, Brew, but I was wondering why no one seems to be looking at an even more important Markus stat.

From what I can tell, he is making a total mockery of the all-time MU SOTG race (shame on me if data prior to 2010 shows otherwise).  Certainly such a great number of Scoop awards has to rank pretty high o his list of accomplishments!

Right, or how about most records broken in 1 night? 4 might be a record!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 21, 2019, 04:14:19 PM
Right, or how about most records broken in 1 night? 4 might be a record!

4 broken and 1 tied. When Markus got to 28 points, I was really hoping he would hit a three because that would've broken both the brothers record and Steve Novak's career made threes records on a single shot. Instead, they get to share the record for a week.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on December 28, 2019, 05:12:29 PM
The big one today was Steve Novak's career three point makes record. He also moved ahead of George Thompson for career scoring average. Thompson averaged 20.379 ppg, Howard is at exactly 20.400.

In Big East scoring, Howard did the Villanova two-step, passing Scottie Reynolds & Kerry Kittles to move into sole possession of 8th place.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 28, 2019, 05:33:44 PM
Continues to impress.  Al time great, no matter what the meat heads say.  Hope that the team is good enough to win in March to eliminate all doubt.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: muguru on December 28, 2019, 06:39:36 PM
The big one today was Steve Novak's career three point makes record. He also moved ahead of George Thompson for career scoring average. Thompson averaged 20.379 ppg, Howard is at exactly 20.400.

In Big East scoring, Howard did the Villanova two-step, passing Scottie Reynolds & Kerry Kittles to move into sole possession of 8th place.

He needs 389 points to pass Troy Bell and become the Big East all time scoring leader. Post season games count, however if he averages 21.6 PPG the rest of the way(thru the BE regular season), he will become the Big East all time scoring leader. Just amaing when you think about all the great players that have played in the Big East thru the years.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
Late to the table, brewski. Just now read your entire list of potential Markus achievements -- quite a few of which he already has reached.

Tremendous research on your part. Thanks for doing what I'm sure was a labor of love.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: lawdog77 on January 06, 2020, 03:51:07 PM
Bump. A good week.could.put him in top 5. Also creeping up on most 3 pointers
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Cheeks on January 06, 2020, 05:35:14 PM
Late to the table, brewski. Just now read your entire list of potential Markus achievements -- quite a few of which he already has reached.

Tremendous research on your part. Thanks for doing what I'm sure was a labor of love.

+1
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on January 06, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
by my count, Markus with 2,291 points is tied with Buddy Heild @ 176th on the all-time NCAA list.

2,400 points would jump 74 spots to 102nd

2,500 is 72nd
2,600 is 39th
2,700 is 26th
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on January 08, 2020, 07:37:03 AM
39 more and Markus is up to 2330 career points.  Jumping 39 spots from 176th to 137th on the all-time NCAA scoring list.

Among those passed this game:  Lew Alcindor, Jerry West, David Thompson, Rick Barry

Stands 1 point behind Andrew Rowsey's career total of 2331.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on January 15, 2020, 09:07:17 PM
After Xavier Markus up to 2,392 career points.

By my count that puts him at #105 on the all-time NCAA scoring list.
Keith Lee, from Memphis State, sits at #100 with 2,408.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: MU82 on January 15, 2020, 09:17:06 PM
After Xavier Markus up to 2,392 career points.

By my count that puts him at #105 on the all-time NCAA scoring list.
Keith Lee, from Memphis State, sits at #100 with 2,408.

So in the first half at Georgetown, Markus becomes one of the 100 top scorers ever!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: We R Final Four on January 15, 2020, 11:20:42 PM
After Xavier Markus up to 2,392 career points.

By my count that puts him at #105 on the all-time NCAA scoring list.
Keith Lee, from Memphis State, sits at #100 with 2,408.
I remember Keith Lee...hell of a scorer.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on January 16, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
On a separate note, Howard's 35 against Xavier marks his 24th game with 30 or more points scored while at Marquette.

Wade with 6 such games, and Rowsey and Diener, each with 5 games of 30 or more, are next over the past 40 years.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Goose on January 16, 2020, 12:23:35 PM
oldwarrior

How does he rank in games with a minimum of 25 shots taken?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: mug644 on January 16, 2020, 12:28:46 PM
On a separate note, Howard's 35 against Xavier marks his 24th game with 30 or more points scored while at Marquette.

Wade with 6 such games, and Rowsey and Diener, each with 5 games of 30 or more, are next over the past 40 years.

How about for NCAA history? How many other players have had 24 (or even 20) games with 30 or more points scored?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: BM1090 on January 16, 2020, 12:31:10 PM
oldwarrior

How does he rank in games with a minimum of 25 shots taken?

Just checked the game logs and my raw count is 16 games of 30+ with less than 25 shots taken. An additional 2 or 3 right at 25 shots.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Goose on January 16, 2020, 01:10:33 PM
BM1090

So, most of the 25+ shot games are this season?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: BM1090 on January 16, 2020, 01:22:51 PM
BM1090

So, most of the 25+ shot games are this season?

I misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted to know how many of his 30+ point games required more than 25 shots. The answer to that is 8 of 24.

He has 3 games this year with 25+ shots. Davidson (26), Xavier (27), Providence (33)

He had 4 games last year of 25+ shots. We went 2-2.

He had 3 games two years ago with 25+ shots. We went 1-2.

So by my count he has taken 25 shots 10 times in his career. We are 5-5.

Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: T-Bone on January 16, 2020, 01:24:42 PM
Scroll down.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/markus-howard-1.html
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: bilsu on January 17, 2020, 06:50:14 PM
So in the first half at Georgetown, Markus becomes one of the 100 top scorers ever!
He had zero points at Georgetown last year.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
He had zero points at Georgetown last year.

He also played 3 minutes due to injury...so there's that.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: We R Final Four on January 17, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
Then he’s due this year, hey?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on January 17, 2020, 07:17:29 PM
How about for NCAA history? How many other players have had 24 (or even 20) games with 30 or more points scored?

Looking at the past few seasons Mike Daum @ South Dakota had 34 career games of 30 or more.
Chris Clemons from Campbell with 31.  McDermott had 27.

Jimmer Fredette had 16 games during his senior season.  8 prior to that season.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 17, 2020, 07:50:21 PM
With 23, he passes Troy Bell, and with 40, Moten, to become the highest scorer in BE games.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on January 17, 2020, 08:27:21 PM
With 23, he passes Troy Bell, and with 40, Moten, to become the highest scorer in BE games.

He's still about 200 away from catching Moten for the Big East games only record.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 17, 2020, 11:42:34 PM
I found this video on Pistol Pete.  Kinda sad.

https://youtube.com/v/XHmgWeY7heM
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on January 18, 2020, 03:30:55 PM
2434.

96th all-time.  Within 10 to pass a few bigger names;  Steve Alford, Chris Mullin, Glen Rice.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on January 18, 2020, 03:50:57 PM
Howard up to 4th all time in Big East play, passing Malik Sealy today. Just Luke Harangody, Terry Dehere, and Troy Bell ahead of him.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 18, 2020, 04:36:51 PM
Pass the Domers please!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: We R Final Four on January 18, 2020, 08:34:33 PM
Loved watching Malik Sealy play.
Hated watching Gody play.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: WhoaJoe2020 on January 18, 2020, 11:49:37 PM
Howard up to 4th all time in Big East play, passing Malik Sealy today. Just Luke Harangody, Terry Dehere, and Troy Bell ahead of him.

If winning weren't enough , being this close has to be extra motivation. Go get em Markus!!
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on January 22, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
Here's an update on where Howard stands in terms of marks he can surpass based on his current season's pace:

And if we're going to get there anyway, may as well win the whole damn thing, right?  ;D
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: lawdog77 on January 22, 2020, 04:57:08 PM
Here's an update on where Howard stands in terms of marks he can surpass based on his current season's pace:

  • 3rd in Big East Scoring: Howard is on track to pass Luke Harangody on January 24th at Butler.
  • 2nd in Big East Scoring: Howard is on track to pass Terry Dehere on January 24th at Butler.
  • Family Scoring Record: Markus is on track to pass Jordan Howard on February 1st against DePaul.
  • Big East Career Made Threes Record: Howard is on track to pass Gerry McNamara on February 1st against DePaul.
  • Career Made Threes for a Marquette Player: Howard is on track to pass Andrew Rowsey on February 9th against Butler.
  • Big East Scoring Record (Conference Only): Howard is on track to pass to pass Lawrence Moten February 12th at Villanova.
  • Siblings Scoring Record: Markus & Jordan Howard are on track to pass Cheryl & Reggie Miller February 12th at Villanova.
  • Big East Scoring Record: Howard is on track to pass Troy Bell on February 18th against Creighton.
  • Top-25 NCAA Scoring: Howard is on track to pass Byron Larkin on February 29th against Seton Hall.
  • Marquette Single Season Scoring Record: Howard is on track to break last year's record in a hypothetical second Big East Tournament game.
  • Top-5 NCAA Career Made Threes: Howard is on track to pass Chris Clemons in the Big East Tournament Title game.
  • Big East Single Season Scoring Record: Howard is on track to pass Kemba Walker in the Elite 8, assuming a Big East Tournament title game appearance.
  • 1,000 Point Season: Howard is on track to join the 1,000 points in a season club in the Final 4, assuming a Big East Tournament title game appearance.
  • 3,000 Points: Howard is on track to join the 3,000 point club in the NCAA Championship Game, assuming a Big East Tournament title game appearance.
And if we're going to get there anyway, may as well win the whole damn thing, right?  ;D
Great work! (me beating a dead horse). I still cannot believe he is not in everyone's Marquette Top 5 (even some's Top 10). We may never see another like him in a MU uniform. (4 years)
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on February 24, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
When Howard hit the free throws with 1:03 to play to get to 32 points, I said "jeez, after the Moten record, wouldn't it be typical for Howard to break Troy Bell's record in garbage time of another loss?" Then he went and scored 6 points in the final minute to pass Troy Bell for the all-time Big East scoring record.

One of my biggest frustrations with this late season swoon is how this could just as easily be a victory tour if the team collectively was winning. If Howard nails a three to beat 'Nova and pass Moten instead of pulling within one point in a loss, that's a great story. If he has 38 on the road at Providence to avenge the earlier in the season loss while also breaking the Big East career scoring record, that's a great story. Instead both events, which are legitimately huge records in the 40 year history of the Big East, land with dull thuds because who cares when Marquette is losing?
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2020, 07:09:58 PM
When Howard hit the free throws with 1:03 to play to get to 32 points, I said "jeez, after the Moten record, wouldn't it be typical for Howard to break Troy Bell's record in garbage time of another loss?" Then he went and scored 6 points in the final minute to pass Troy Bell for the all-time Big East scoring record.

One of my biggest frustrations with this late season swoon is how this could just as easily be a victory tour if the team collectively was winning. If Howard nails a three to beat 'Nova and pass Moten instead of pulling within one point in a loss, that's a great story. If he has 38 on the road at Providence to avenge the earlier in the season loss while also breaking the Big East career scoring record, that's a great story. Instead both events, which are legitimately huge records in the 40 year history of the Big East, land with dull thuds because who cares when Marquette is losing?

Yep. I admit that when Markus hit the 3 against Nova and the announcers were screaming about him breaking Moten's record, I said, "Who gives a shyte?" and turned off the game.

And I'm a huge Markus fan.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: brewcity77 on February 25, 2020, 02:55:26 PM
Yep. I admit that when Markus hit the 3 against Nova and the announcers were screaming about him breaking Moten's record, I said, "Who gives a shyte?" and turned off the game.

And I'm a huge Markus fan.

I'm still baffled by the Moten record getting more attention than Bell. I mean, other than stat deep divers, does anyone know how many points Jerel McNeal, Dwyane Wade, or anyone else scored in conference play?

Regardless, Bell's record fell with even less of a thud, but it felt like the bigger of the two to me.
Title: Re: [Cracked Sidewalks] Markus Howard Scoring Record Watch
Post by: oldwarrior81 on February 25, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Markus up to #31 on the all-time NCAA list with 2633.   
Two points behind Steph Curry.   A couple other bigger names not far ahead:  Wayman Tisdale 2661, David Robinson 2669.

It's debatable as to what constitutes a major program over the years, but about half of the 30 guys ahead of him came from "lesser" programs.

Still a realistic shot at JJ Redick @ #20 (2769).