Doesn't look like Norman is playing. Ben with a mask.
https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1842596051884372371?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Shaka said Tre and Ben injuries not serious. DO also
Shaka hiding DO from opponents - great move!
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 05, 2024, 11:24:34 AM
Shaka hiding DO from opponents - great move!
I believe Shaka said DO hasn't practiced yet...will be back on Monday. Did his typical intro of players...his comments on Zaide stood out the most to me. Wouldn't give a timeline on Sean.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 05, 2024, 11:25:58 AM
I believe Shaka said DO hasn't practiced yet...will be back on Monday. Did his typical intro of players...his comments on Zaide stood out the most to me. Wouldn't give a timeline on Sean.
Yes on Zaide. Also said Chase is gonna have a spectacular year.
Sounds like Owens is a redshirt candidate
https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1842605124176462156?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
It's always felt like Shaka wants Zaide to be great.
He mentioned last year that he was the lead recruiter for him and that the other coaches weren't convinced, so he's got a little extra chip on the shoulder with him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2024, 11:39:08 AM
Sounds like Owens is a redshirt candidate
Hearing portal. Citing mind games.
Any updates on early test scores, GPA, etc?
The walk ons are traditional.....
I thought the guys looked pretty damn good.
Not having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
Came for insights on players. Left w b1tching about the lack of cheap nasty hot dogs. Smh
3fg shooting, excl Jop: 6/25
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
Not having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
What a take on our first look at the '24-'25 season. No snacks.
Bottom of the league type team. #longyear #nosnacks
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
Not having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
Hit up real chili after leaving the scrimmage?
BYOS, hey?
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 05, 2024, 12:52:42 PM
What a take on our first look at the '24-'25 season. No snacks.
When you probably have 300 kids in the building and hold it at lunchtime, that's an inexplicable miss. If Marquette wants to build the next generation of fans, they should plan these events with them in mind. On the way out, three other families leaving early were talking about the lack of food.
It's also been standard in the past. We planned our day around this event and expecting Marquette to provide food we could purchase like they always have in the past isn't a big ask. Instead, as we left my 6-year-old said "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad." That's some great fan outreach.
It was great to watch live basketball again. A little sloppy at times, as expected in intrasquad scrimmages when both teams know all the plays being run.
This team is going to be very good. Preseason ranked between 15-20, as all the projections have us, feels about right to me.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:10:01 PM
When you probably have 300 kids in the building and hold it at lunchtime, that's an inexplicable miss. If Marquette wants to build the next generation of fans, they should plan these events with them in mind. On the way out, three other families leaving early were talking about the lack of food.
It's also been standard in the past. We planned our day around this event and expecting Marquette to provide food we could purchase like they always have in the past isn't a big ask. Instead, as we left my 6-year-old said "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad." That's some great fan outreach.
Not having concessions was a miss. But it has nothing to do with "building the next generation of fans."
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:10:01 PM
When you probably have 300 kids in the building and hold it at lunchtime, that's an inexplicable miss. If Marquette wants to build the next generation of fans, they should plan these events with them in mind. On the way out, three other families leaving early were talking about the lack of food.
It's also been standard in the past. We planned our day around this event and expecting Marquette to provide food we could purchase like they always have in the past isn't a big ask. Instead, as we left my 6-year-old said "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad." That's some great fan outreach.
Doesn't your sweater vest have pockets for peanuts and a juice box?
I kid.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 05, 2024, 01:14:37 PM
Not having concessions was a miss. But it has nothing to do with "building the next generation of fans."
Yeah, it does. My daughter has been asking "when are we going back to the Marquette game" since April. She was excited for today, then wanted to leave after 5 minutes. That stuff matters. Don't tell me what doesn't matter to the children who are literally telling me it matters to them.
Just tell them they'll get nothing and like it. Clearly worked with Spaulding.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:31:29 PM
Yeah, it does. My daughter has been asking "when are we going back to the Marquette game" since April. She was excited for today, then wanted to leave after 5 minutes. That stuff matters. Don't tell me what doesn't matter to the children who are literally telling me it matters to them.
It will make difference to them as they grow older. It's OK to be disappointed. Don't make it more than it is.
You didn't eat the ribeye?
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
Not having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
Just wait until she learns she can't box scores from games from overseas trips.
Shaka's just trying to keep the fans as hungry as the players.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 05, 2024, 01:39:27 PM
It will make difference to them as they grow older. It's OK to be disappointed. Don't make it more than it is.
Cancelling events like Madness and Haunted Hoops, making overseas scrimmages unavailable deliberately, moving all inter-squad scrimmages behind closed doors, and choosing to diminish the quality of the events they do have is a series of fan outreach losses. It's not like crapping the bed on these is a one-off.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 05, 2024, 10:58:56 AM
Doesn't look like Norman is playing. Ben with a mask.
Round here it's called a breathing boot.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:55:59 PM
Cancelling events like Madness and Haunted Hoops, making overseas scrimmages unavailable deliberately, moving all inter-squad scrimmages behind closed doors, and choosing to diminish the quality of the events they do have is a series of fan outreach losses. It's not like crapping the bed on these is a one-off.
Every single one of those things give the team a competitive advantage during the season, or is just saving minor costs.
Acting like it is a personal slight to you or fans "as a whole", is crazy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:31:29 PM
Yeah, it does. My daughter has been asking "when are we going back to the Marquette game" since April. She was excited for today, then wanted to leave after 5 minutes. That stuff matters. Don't tell me what doesn't matter to the children who are literally telling me it matters to them.
Respectfully, brew, before the next game you take her to, you say: "That was a scrimmage but this is a real game. There will be food for us there. I promise." Then you will (and Fiserv) will deliver on the promise, and all will be well with the world.
And I do agree on the missed $$$ opportunity for MU.
Mickey Mouse program. Wally is right
A few takeaways....
Ben dove for a ball at practice this week..needed 9 stitches....the reason for the mask.
Chase will have a great year per Shaka. Wearing sleeve on left arm.
DO really look the part. Hoping to able to practice this week, slight injury.
This is the place to be at marquette...no place better (Shaka).
Walkon Jack Anderson can shoot the 3 ball...Shaka said so....and then he did.
Caedin crafty and big.... Several offensive fouls on picks....help d (showing on screens)very solid.
Learned alot from Oso. Stutter step croosover, looking for back door cuts, etc. Body way ahead of Oso at this age.
PG Stevie very crafty at rim...both hands. Very solid.
Jop 50% or so on 3s......but some head scratching decisions/turnovers.
Kam frustrated in first half. Old Kam second half.
BG short on every 3 attempt. 0-5 from deep, I believe.
Sean coaching blue in TOs.
Royce can score.....3 times in a row late in the game.
I was going to say Al is still behind, but I think this is what he is. Shaka calls him energy guy.
Clark had ~8 dunks off help d commitments.....nice to have 7'1" to lob to.
My biggest takeaway is Caedin got an education from Oso and it shows. He said as much. He will be a focal point at some time.....maybe next season.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 05, 2024, 02:23:54 PM
A few takeaways....
Ben dove for a ball at practice this week..needed 9 stitches....the reason for the mask.
Chase will have a great year per Shaka. Wearing sleeve on left arm.
DO really look the part. Hoping to able to practice this week, slight injury.
This is the place to be at marquette...no place better (Shaka).
Walkon Jack Anderson can shoot the 3 ball...Shaka said so....and then he did.
Caedin crafty and big.... Several offensive fouls on picks....help d (showing on screens)very solid.
Learned alot from Oso. Stutter step croosover, looking for back door cuts, etc. Body way ahead of Oso at this age.
PG Stevie very crafty at rim...both hands. Very solid.
Jop 50% or so on 3s......but some head scratching decisions/turnovers.
Kam frustrated in first half. Old Kam second half.
BG short on every 3 attempt. 0-5 from deep, I believe.
Sean coaching blue in TOs.
Royce can score.....3 times in a row late in the game.
I was going to say Al is still behind, but I think this is what he is. Shaka calls him energy guy.
Clark had ~8 dunks off help d commitments.....nice to have 7'1" to lob to.
My biggest takeaway is Caedin got an education from Oso and it shows. He said as much. He will be a focal point at some time.....maybe next season.
Thanks for this.
Ben Gold, My biggest take away is the lack of improvement from last year. Zero consistency on his shot, to anyone who thinks he has pro potential is off there rocker. Thought Parham will be more of a factor, can go inside and out. Jop has to be a factor for team to do well, has the talent, just has to be consistent. Kam and Stevie look like seniors, the 3 seniors will carry this team but talent abounds. Clark even though skinny is very coordinated, lots of potential there. It will be interesting watching how Shaka utilizes the talent
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:55:59 PM
Cancelling events like Madness and Haunted Hoops, making overseas scrimmages unavailable deliberately, moving all inter-squad scrimmages behind closed doors, and choosing to diminish the quality of the events they do have is a series of fan outreach losses. It's not like crapping the bed on these is a one-off.
Yeah. Their season ticket sales sure have taken a hit huh?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 05, 2024, 02:46:37 PM
Yeah. Their season ticket sales sure have taken a hit huh?
its hurt their ability to make the NCAA tournament
https://youtu.be/8c2hABy4LUY?si=zJNRJ6-G6tfqPLdg
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 05, 2024, 02:46:37 PM
Yeah. Their season ticket sales sure have taken a hit huh?
Of course, success may have a bit to do with that?
My biggest takeaway is that the next generation of Marquette fans are whiners. And worse yet, instead of teaching them the lesson that next time whiners are left at home, this generation of Marquette fans whines right along with them. #Sad
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 05, 2024, 03:20:37 PM
My biggest takeaway is that the next generation of Marquette fans are whiners. And worse yet, instead of teaching them the lesson that next time whiners are left at home, this generation of Marquette fans whines right along with them. #Sad
Raised by boomers, so not surprising
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2024, 03:22:02 PM
Raised by boomers, so not surprising
Hey! Watch it, you little twerp!
Reako just be reakin', aina?
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 05, 2024, 03:10:13 PM
Of course, success may have a bit to do with that?
Success means you don't need gimmicks.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 05, 2024, 03:10:13 PM
Of course, success may have a bit to do with that?
Wow. Ya think?
Quote from: jfp61 on October 05, 2024, 02:04:51 PM
Every single one of those things give the team a competitive advantage during the season, or is just saving minor costs.
Acting like it is a personal slight to you or fans "as a whole", is crazy.
What's crazy is the "competitive advantage" lie of an excuse. UConn has First Night and public exhibition games. Have they suffered a competitive disadvantage?
Oh, and last night, women's basketball had a scrimmage that included free pizza for all fans. All I'm asking is to have the privilege of giving Marquette money for the same thing they gave for free last night.
Quote from: jfp61 on October 05, 2024, 02:51:34 PM
its hurt their ability to make the NCAA tournament
This is silly and patently false.
Shaka has thoughts. Thank you, MuMark for posting his presser.
Owens out with a groin.
Tre out with a shoulder after a collision with Stevie.
Still no ETA for Sean.
Purdue had streaming for their tour last summer, a public fan day event, a charity scrimmage, and a televised exhibition against Arkansas. That competitive disadvantage must be why they lost to UConn in the championship game.
Edit: UConn uploaded all of their foreign trip games for fans immediately after the conclusion, that must be why they lost to Seton Hall.
Thanks WRFF for the update. Any idea who the secret scrimmages are against?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 05, 2024, 04:25:59 PM
Thanks WRFF for the update. Any idea who the secret scrimmages are against?
IIRC, Missouri and Oklahoma.
Brew, those of us who take/took young kids to ball games and scrimmages understand your pain. Two hours is an eternity for a bored and hungry young one. I imagine for some adult scoopers as well.
I eat before I go places. I don't trust anyone to feed me. That goes for Marquette, weddings, work events, etc. People are terrible at ordering enough food if they even bother thinking about food in the first place. It's saved me a lot of grief in my life.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 04:16:31 PM
Purdue had streaming for their tour last summer, a public fan day event, a charity scrimmage, and a televised exhibition against Arkansas. That competitive disadvantage must be why they lost to UConn in the championship game.
Edit: UConn uploaded all of their foreign trip games for fans immediately after the conclusion, that must be why they lost to Seton Hall.
The exhibition being televised required special approval, yes? I think it was a charity event — not usual at all. I forgive MU for this one.
That said, no sh1tty hot dogs being sold for $6 a pop today is inexcusable and lost countless fans who aren't yet able to read.
Quote from: GOO on October 05, 2024, 04:57:19 PM
Brew, those of us who take/took young kids to ball games and scrimmages understand your pain. Two hours is an eternity for a bored and hungry young one. I imagine for some adult scoopers as well.
Brought my 3 year old with a bag of snacks in tow and we made it until lunch at 1. No sweat.
Gotta know better than to count on any sort of decent concession options at these things.
I think they should have had concessions available.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 05, 2024, 05:40:36 PM
Brought my 3 year old with a bag of snacks in tow and we made it until lunch at 1. No sweat.
Gotta know better than to count on any sort of decent concession options at these things.
Yeah.....alot of kids stuck around for the poster signings after the scrimmage.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 05, 2024, 05:11:28 PM
I eat before I go places. I don't trust anyone to feed me. That goes for Marquette, weddings, work events, etc. People are terrible at ordering enough food if they even bother thinking about food in the first place. It's saved me a lot of grief in my life.
Exactly! I had 4 kids all 2 years apart...I fed them before we left in case there was no food available where we were going. A ridiculous discussion point in a thread about the game.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 05, 2024, 04:25:59 PM
Thanks WRFF for the update. Any idea who the secret scrimmages are against?
I thought one was TSUFCS.
The Top Secret University For the Children of Spies.
A take from the most intelligent, perceptive, forward thinking poster on the board...
The Bad:
Very disappointed in the coaching staff today. This is not the day for any new/newer player to be timid as there is no game on the line that could hinder our tournament resume. Therefore I was expecting all the players would be aggressive offensively today to show us what they could do. Unfortunately, Caedin Hamilton passed up almost all his opportunities to create a shot for himself in the post and was always looking to pass. It got to the point that the defenders were cheating off him and instead trying to deflect his passes as they knew he wouldn't try to go around them or try to shoot with some kind of post move. This was the most disappointing development for me today as it appears the staff is telling Caedin to have a Oso sophomore year role where Oso played about 18 minutes a game and only scored when he was fed dunks off of penetration. Caedin did show some good defensive rebounding chops, but I'd be surprised if he averages more than 4 points a game this year.
Al Amadou also looked afraid to shoot and passed up many good looks, however late in the 2nd half he had a little run and showed some offense. Once again he is very thin but springy... he could have used last year to red shirt to save a year of eligibility to allow his body to mature and hit his 20's with three to four years of eligibility left. Once again I don't think he'll have an impact this year but think he could still develop into a good player next year and beyond.
Kam is a very good player but he can't physically dominate a game even though he's a our main offensive cog. He's not a dynamic enough athlete who can take over a game by blowing by his opponents or finishing with dunks at the rim. Hence why some said he struggled and looked frustrated in the first half as I think he's more comfortable and effective in a support role than a lead role. Regardless he did a lot of real good things in the 2nd half and is still definitely an impact player.
Unlike some of the timid offensive players mentioned above, Joplin played with no conscious and will launch regardless if it's a good shot or not. He was also turnover prone at times... so Joplin is what he is, which is a mixed bag of good and bad but he did play pretty well at times today.
We know Ben Gold as he has a fairly large body of work. He's a nice player but it doesn't appear he has another level of play and will continue to just be a sporadic 3 point shooter and marginal rebounder. So sadly as a team we will have no back to the basket post play threat this year which really could be our downfall and lead to a disappointing season.
The Good:
Stevie was good. He gets every ounce out of his God given talent, even though it's less than some other players on our team.
Chase Ross is even more built this year and looks like a borderline bruiser. However, although he does some nice things I don't see him taking a huge jump this year either as far as scoring or anything else. He'll be good for a big dunk once a game, good defense and some three point shots. A very nice player but not a star either... I admit that he could surprise me to the upside as he does have a lot of physical talent.
Zaide Lowery is a very smooth and capable athlete. I think he takes a step up from last year and has some real nice nights where he scores 20+ points and is the stud of the game. However, I don't know why the coaching staff hasn't converted his set shot to a jump shot yet... the later is when you jump and release your shot at the top of your jump instead of shooting and jumping at the same time. At this level every player should have a jump shot, as it's harder to block or alter.
Royce Parham will have to play more than the coaches want to play a freshman because he's too valuable to keep off the floor. I think he was the leading scorer in the first half and scored a number of different ways that included hitting open threes, to creating his own shot, to finishing in transition for a 3 point play. He's also a good rebounder... just an overall high IQ player who gets it and has the ability to do a lot of positive things to help us win.
Josh Clark... early in the scrimmage he was pulled at the first sub each time and the coaches always called him over to point out something they didn't like what he was doing. Then as the game went on he probably ended up being the overall leading scorer or close to it. Granted many were lob dunks but someone with his length and athletic ability makes the game easier for everyone else. He has a freshman body but it's still a pretty sturdy frame and I could see him being scary good by his junior year with 20 to 30lbs of muscle, game experience, savvy and developing a couple go to post moves. He might be too valuable to even red shirt as we could use his talent in the rotation this year in my opinion. I'd prefer to redshirt Al Amadou this year, and play Josh Clark in the rotation now instead. No point in redshirting Josh too if he might be an NBA prospect in 3 to 4 years.
Damarius Owens partook in the warm up drills and looked very athletic and physically impressive. He will be an impact player for us this year as he's essentially Chase Ross with an extra 3 to 4 inches of height and more offensive explosion.
Tre Norman didn't play. I love Tre's high school tape and hope he can have a big jump this year as last year he didn't look like he had the quickness or explosion to be an impact player at this level. I admit and hope I'm wrong as he still did some good things and is a very tough and smart player. Having Kolek as a mentor gave him a great blue print on how to be a great point guard even if you aren't the most athletic player at this level.
Conclusion:
Once again, lots of collective talent/athletic ability/length that can overwhelm opponents in transition when we're getting a lot of team deflections. However, I'm very concerned we won't have any post offense in slower tempo games were we have to rely on half court sets to score. Also very concerned we won't be a very good rebounding team which seems to be a regular trademark for Shaka Marquette teams thus far.
Ceiling: Sweet 16, maybe even Elite 8
Floor: NIT
I didn't see what Shaka and W R saw in Hamilton, but I'm clearly on the wrong side of that argument which is good because they will need him.
Parham looks like the type of big Nova would have during their Jay Wright days...he's going to be really good in time...and should get minutes this year.
My 7 year old didn't ask or get any food, and it never crossed my mind to care.
Quote from: duanewade on October 05, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
A take from the most intelligent, perceptive, forward thinking poster on the board...
The Bad:
Very disappointed in the coaching staff today. This is not the day for any new/newer player to be timid as there is no game on the line that could hinder our tournament resume. Therefore I was expecting all the players would be aggressive offensively today to show us what they could do. Unfortunately, Caedin Hamilton passed up almost all his opportunities to create a shot for himself in the post and was always looking to pass. It got to the point that the defenders were cheating off him and instead trying to deflect his passes as they knew he wouldn't try to go around them or try to shoot with some kind of post move. This was the most disappointing development for me today as it appears the staff is telling Caedin to have a Oso sophomore year role where Oso played about 18 minutes a game and only scored when he was fed dunks off of penetration. Caedin did show some good defensive rebounding chops, but I'd be surprised if he averages more than 4 points a game this year.
Al Amadou also looked afraid to shoot and passed up many good looks, however late in the 2nd half he had a little run and showed some offense. Once again he is very thin but springy... he could have used last year to red shirt to save a year of eligibility to allow his body to mature and hit his 20's with three to four years of eligibility left. Once again I don't think he'll have an impact this year but think he could still develop into a good player next year and beyond.
Kam is a very good player but he can't physically dominate a game even though he's a our main offensive cog. He's not a dynamic enough athlete who can take over a game by blowing by his opponents or finishing with dunks at the rim. Hence why some said he struggled and looked frustrated in the first half as I think he's more comfortable and effective in a support role than a lead role. Regardless he did a lot of real good things in the 2nd half and is still definitely an impact player.
Unlike some of the timid offensive players mentioned above, Joplin played with no conscious and will launch regardless if it's a good shot or not. He was also turnover prone at times... so Joplin is what he is, which is a mixed bag of good and bad but he did play pretty well at times today.
We know Ben Gold as he has a fairly large body of work. He's a nice player but it doesn't appear he has another level of play and will continue to just be a sporadic 3 point shooter and marginal rebounder. So sadly as a team we will have no back to the basket post play threat this year which really could be our downfall and lead to a disappointing season.
The Good:
Stevie was good. He gets every ounce out of his God given talent, even though it's less than some other players on our team.
Chase Ross is even more built this year and looks like a borderline bruiser. However, although he does some nice things I don't see him taking a huge jump this year either as far as scoring or anything else. He'll be good for a big dunk once a game, good defense and some three point shots. A very nice player but not a star either... I admit that he could surprise me to the upside as he does have a lot of physical talent.
Zaide Lowery is a very smooth and capable athlete. I think he takes a step up from last year and has some real nice nights were he scores 20+ points and is the stud of the game. However, I don't know why the coaching staff hasn't converted his set shot to a jump shot yet... the later is when you jump and release your shot at the top of your jump instead of shooting and jumping at the same time. At this level every player should have a jump shot, as it's harder to block or alter.
Royce Parham will have to play more than the coaches want to play a freshman because he's too valuable to keep off the floor. I think he was the leading scorer in the first half and scored a number of different ways that included hitting open threes, to creating his own shot, to finishing in transition for a 3 point play. He's also a good rebounder... just an overall high IQ player who gets it and has the ability to do a lot of positive things to help us win.
Josh Clark... early in the scrimmage he was pulled at the first sub each time and the coaches always pulled him over to point out something they didn't like what he was doing. Then as the game went on he probably ended up being the overall leading scorer or close to it. Granted many where lob dunks but someone with his length and athletic ability makes the game easier for everyone else. He has a freshman body but it's still a pretty sturdy frame and I could see him being scary good by his junior year with 20 to 30lbs of muscle, game experience, savvy and developing a couple go to post moves. He might be too valuable to even red shirt as we could use his talent in the rotation this year in my opinion. I'd prefer to redshirt Al Amadou this year, and play Josh Clark in the rotation now instead. No point in redshirting Josh too if he might be an NBA prospect in 3 to 4 years.
Damarius Owens partook in the warm up drills and looked very athletic and physically impressive. He will be an impact player for us this year as he's essentially he's Chase Ross with an extra 3 to 4 inches of height and more offensive explosion.
Tre Norman didn't play. I love Tre's high school tape and hope he can have a big jump this year as last year he didn't look like he had the quickness or explosion to be an impact player at this level. I admit and hope I'm wrong as he still did some good things and is a very tough and smart player. Having Kolek as a mentor gave him a great blue print on how to be a great point guard even if you aren't the most athletic player at this level.
Conclusion:
Once again, lots of collective talent/athletic ability/length that can overwhelm opponents in transition when we're getting a lot of team deflections. However, I'm very concerned we won't have any post offense in slower tempo games were we have to rely on half court sets to score. Also very concerned we won't be a very good rebounding team which seems to be a regular trademark for Shaka Marquette teams thus far.
Ceiling: Sweet 16, maybe even Elite 8
Floor: NIT
Excellent Report. Thanks for putting the time into all the details.
Quote from: duanewade on October 05, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
A take from the most intelligent, perceptive, forward thinking poster on the board...
The Bad:
Very disappointed in the coaching staff today. This is not the day for any new/newer player to be timid as there is no game on the line that could hinder our tournament resume. Therefore I was expecting all the players would be aggressive offensively today to show us what they could do. Unfortunately, Caedin Hamilton passed up almost all his opportunities to create a shot for himself in the post and was always looking to pass. It got to the point that the defenders were cheating off him and instead trying to deflect his passes as they knew he wouldn't try to go around them or try to shoot with some kind of post move. This was the most disappointing development for me today as it appears the staff is telling Caedin to have a Oso sophomore year role where Oso played about 18 minutes a game and only scored when he was fed dunks off of penetration. Caedin did show some good defensive rebounding chops, but I'd be surprised if he averages more than 4 points a game this year.
Al Amadou also looked afraid to shoot and passed up many good looks, however late in the 2nd half he had a little run and showed some offense. Once again he is very thin but springy... he could have used last year to red shirt to save a year of eligibility to allow his body to mature and hit his 20's with three to four years of eligibility left. Once again I don't think he'll have an impact this year but think he could still develop into a good player next year and beyond.
Kam is a very good player but he can't physically dominate a game even though he's a our main offensive cog. He's not a dynamic enough athlete who can take over a game by blowing by his opponents or finishing with dunks at the rim. Hence why some said he struggled and looked frustrated in the first half as I think he's more comfortable and effective in a support role than a lead role. Regardless he did a lot of real good things in the 2nd half and is still definitely an impact player.
Unlike some of the timid offensive players mentioned above, Joplin played with no conscious and will launch regardless if it's a good shot or not. He was also turnover prone at times... so Joplin is what he is, which is a mixed bag of good and bad but he did play pretty well at times today.
We know Ben Gold as he has a fairly large body of work. He's a nice player but it doesn't appear he has another level of play and will continue to just be a sporadic 3 point shooter and marginal rebounder. So sadly as a team we will have no back to the basket post play threat this year which really could be our downfall and lead to a disappointing season.
The Good:
Stevie was good. He gets every ounce out of his God given talent, even though it's less than some other players on our team.
Chase Ross is even more built this year and looks like a borderline bruiser. However, although he does some nice things I don't see him taking a huge jump this year either as far as scoring or anything else. He'll be good for a big dunk once a game, good defense and some three point shots. A very nice player but not a star either... I admit that he could surprise me to the upside as he does have a lot of physical talent.
Zaide Lowery is a very smooth and capable athlete. I think he takes a step up from last year and has some real nice nights were he scores 20+ points and is the stud of the game. However, I don't know why the coaching staff hasn't converted his set shot to a jump shot yet... the later is when you jump and release your shot at the top of your jump instead of shooting and jumping at the same time. At this level every player should have a jump shot, as it's harder to block or alter.
Royce Parham will have to play more than the coaches want to play a freshman because he's too valuable to keep off the floor. I think he was the leading scorer in the first half and scored a number of different ways that included hitting open threes, to creating his own shot, to finishing in transition for a 3 point play. He's also a good rebounder... just an overall high IQ player who gets it and has the ability to do a lot of positive things to help us win.
Josh Clark... early in the scrimmage he was pulled at the first sub each time and the coaches always pulled him over to point out something they didn't like what he was doing. Then as the game went on he probably ended up being the overall leading scorer or close to it. Granted many where lob dunks but someone with his length and athletic ability makes the game easier for everyone else. He has a freshman body but it's still a pretty sturdy frame and I could see him being scary good by his junior year with 20 to 30lbs of muscle, game experience, savvy and developing a couple go to post moves. He might be too valuable to even red shirt as we could use his talent in the rotation this year in my opinion. I'd prefer to redshirt Al Amadou this year, and play Josh Clark in the rotation now instead. No point in redshirting Josh too if he might be an NBA prospect in 3 to 4 years.
Damarius Owens partook in the warm up drills and looked very athletic and physically impressive. He will be an impact player for us this year as he's essentially he's Chase Ross with an extra 3 to 4 inches of height and more offensive explosion.
Tre Norman didn't play. I love Tre's high school tape and hope he can have a big jump this year as last year he didn't look like he had the quickness or explosion to be an impact player at this level. I admit and hope I'm wrong as he still did some good things and is a very tough and smart player. Having Kolek as a mentor gave him a great blue print on how to be a great point guard even if you aren't the most athletic player at this level.
Conclusion:
Once again, lots of collective talent/athletic ability/length that can overwhelm opponents in transition when we're getting a lot of team deflections. However, I'm very concerned we won't have any post offense in slower tempo games were we have to rely on half court sets to score. Also very concerned we won't be a very good rebounding team which seems to be a regular trademark for Shaka Marquette teams thus far.
Ceiling: Sweet 16, maybe even Elite 8
Floor: NIT
Thank you for providing the definition of a jump shot.
For my money, Josh Clark was the player of the day. I saw the August scrimmage and he has gotten noticeably better since then. I think this young man has a huge upside. Just needs to put on some weight ; get stronger ;and just play.
And I'm not talking about a 7'1 guy dunking over an Al Amadou in a scrimmage. I'm talking about his footwork and quickness to put himself in a position to dunk the ball. I'm also talking about his ability to receive entry passes around his head and go right to the rim. And pretty good hands----few if any fumbles.
The kid ( and whichever coach he's working with) are clearly putting in a lot of time., IMO.
Rebounding should be better than last as the team will just be bigger, I can see 2 bigs playing more together with Hamilton Gold and Parham. Also Owens is very athletic, then Ross and Stevie are dogs, Jop can replaced if they have to get bigger or Jop can play the wing more. Rotation will be decided by how there opponents line up, more concerned in the last 5 minutes wh can create there own shot, that's were Sean Jones would be a nice addition
Quote from: avid1010 on October 05, 2024, 07:43:07 PM
I didn't see what Shaka and W R saw in Hamilton, but I'm clearly on the wrong side of that argument which is good because they will need him.
Parham looks like the type of big Nova would have during their Jay Wright days...he's going to be really good in time...and should get minutes this year.
My 7 year old didn't ask or get any food, and it never crossed my mind to care.
I wasn't at the scrimmage but oftentimes on highlights of these things I key in on the defensive side of the ball more than the offensive, and the most glaring defensive crutch seemed to be Caedin getting beat to the basket for an easy dunk, usually at the hands of Josh.
Someone said he hedges well, comparisons have been made to Oso with regards to ball handling and vision abilities, but the clips I saw made him look not very fleet of foot on the defensive end.
This will have to improve greatly for both Hamilton and Gold. The Big East is loaded with quality bigs and offenses that can beat you going to the hoop, and if Marquettes defense is a turnstile in that capacity it will drive Shaka crazy and lead to a long season.
If the bigs cannot recover to defend the paint and prevent dunks and layups they will need to stay at home more and allow of good perimeter defenders to do their thing the best they can, or just give up more open jumpers on those screen and rolls.
In the same token, I'd like to see Ben and Caedin being the guys rolling to the hoop and finishing those dunks/layups instead of Josh at this point. I worry that we see too much perimeter play from Mr Gold and that he hasn't taken the step needed to at least partially fit into that Oso mold of diving to the lane for an easy finish off a good pass.
The 5 positions is easily my biggest concern of the season, running away from the 1 position.
I love what I'm seeing from Kam and there are enough secondary and tertiary ball handlers and good passers to make the offense flow, albeit nowhere as smooth as the TyKo show
Thank you to all who attended and posted their thoughts.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
Not having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
Sorry that your 6 year old didn't have the opportunity to purchase a nitrate-laden tube steak, washed down with a 16 Oz cup of sugar water, for breakfast.
I am concerned about what this says about our program and the development of the program going forward. He!!, when I first started going to Marquette games at the old Milwaukee Arena, you could smoke cigarettes in your seat DURING the game and there were cigarette machines in all the concourses.No longer. Now no candy bars. Looks like Marquette basketball continues to erode, inch by inch.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 01:10:01 PM
When you probably have 300 kids in the building and hold it at lunchtime, that's an inexplicable miss. If Marquette wants to build the next generation of fans, they should plan these events with them in mind. On the way out, three other families leaving early were talking about the lack of food.
It's also been standard in the past. We planned our day around this event and expecting Marquette to provide food we could purchase like they always have in the past isn't a big ask. Instead, as we left my 6-year-old said "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad." That's some great fan outreach.
Sounds like the sauerkraut was delish.
Last point, Jack Anderson will play as a walk on, zone breaker, averaged 20 points for three seasons, can score
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 05, 2024, 09:35:44 PM
Last point, Jack Anderson will play as a walk on, zone breaker, averaged 20 points for three seasons, can score
I doubt he'll play any real meaningful minutes.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 05, 2024, 08:59:48 PM
Sorry that your 6 year old didn't have the opportunity to purchase a nitrate-laden tube steak, washed down with a 16 Oz cup of sugar water, for breakfast.
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Quote from: DoctorV on October 05, 2024, 08:25:52 PM
I wasn't at the scrimmage but oftentimes on highlights of these things I key in on the defensive side of the ball more than the offensive, and the most glaring defensive crutch seemed to be Caedin getting beat to the basket for an easy dunk, usually at the hands of Josh.
Someone said he hedges well, comparisons have been made to Oso with regards to ball handling and vision abilities, but the clips I saw made him look not very fleet of foot on the defensive end.
This will have to improve greatly for both Hamilton and Gold. The Big East is loaded with quality bigs and offenses that can beat you going to the hoop, and if Marquettes defense is a turnstile in that capacity it will drive Shaka crazy and lead to a long season.
If the bigs cannot recover to defend the paint and prevent dunks and layups they will need to stay at home more and allow of good perimeter defenders to do their thing the best they can, or just give up more open jumpers on those screen and rolls.
In the same token, I'd like to see Ben and Caedin being the guys rolling to the hoop and finishing those dunks/layups instead of Josh at this point. I worry that we see too much perimeter play from Mr Gold and that he hasn't taken the step needed to at least partially fit into that Oso mold of diving to the lane for an easy finish off a good pass.
The 5 positions is easily my biggest concern of the season, running away from the 1 position.
I love what I'm seeing from Kam and there are enough secondary and tertiary ball handlers and good passers to make the offense flow, albeit nowhere as smooth as the TyKo show
All of the dunks by Clark were not due to Hamilton getting beat. Multiple times Hamilton was correctly stepping up to stop the ball, the weak side never rotated over to cover Clark under the rim. Al was getting yelled at multiple times for being late to rotate or not even rotating down from the wing and just watching the play instead.
I thought Gold was really good defensively, good around the rim and looked quicker when switched onto guards. Hamilton is very solid using his size around the rim but obviously isnt quick enough yet to fully switch. Getting better though, and his conditioning has really improved, didnt have to go to the bench for an extended breather at all during scrimmage.
Thanks to the 3 people that actually gave some relevant insight to the players and how they looked here. 4 pages of a thread and 90 percent of it about hot dogs says a lot about MUScoop lol
Cost us several seedings
Quote from: BCHoopster on October 05, 2024, 02:38:06 PM
Ben Gold, My biggest take away is the lack of improvement from last year. Zero consistency on his shot, to anyone who thinks he has pro potential is off there rocker. Thought Parham will be more of a factor, can go inside and out. Jop has to be a factor for team to do well, has the talent, just has to be consistent. Kam and Stevie look like seniors, the 3 seniors will carry this team but talent abounds. Clark even though skinny is very coordinated, lots of potential there. It will be interesting watching how Shaka utilizes the talent
Gooollllldbrick
Quote from: duanewade on October 05, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
A take from the most intelligent, perceptive, forward thinking poster on the board...
The Bad:
Very disappointed in the coaching staff today. This is not the day for any new/newer player to be timid as there is no game on the line that could hinder our tournament resume. Therefore I was expecting all the players would be aggressive offensively today to show us what they could do. Unfortunately, Caedin Hamilton passed up almost all his opportunities to create a shot for himself in the post and was always looking to pass. It got to the point that the defenders were cheating off him and instead trying to deflect his passes as they knew he wouldn't try to go around them or try to shoot with some kind of post move. This was the most disappointing development for me today as it appears the staff is telling Caedin to have a Oso sophomore year role where Oso played about 18 minutes a game and only scored when he was fed dunks off of penetration. Caedin did show some good defensive rebounding chops, but I'd be surprised if he averages more than 4 points a game this year.
Al Amadou also looked afraid to shoot and passed up many good looks, however late in the 2nd half he had a little run and showed some offense. Once again he is very thin but springy... he could have used last year to red shirt to save a year of eligibility to allow his body to mature and hit his 20's with three to four years of eligibility left. Once again I don't think he'll have an impact this year but think he could still develop into a good player next year and beyond.
Kam is a very good player but he can't physically dominate a game even though he's a our main offensive cog. He's not a dynamic enough athlete who can take over a game by blowing by his opponents or finishing with dunks at the rim. Hence why some said he struggled and looked frustrated in the first half as I think he's more comfortable and effective in a support role than a lead role. Regardless he did a lot of real good things in the 2nd half and is still definitely an impact player.
Unlike some of the timid offensive players mentioned above, Joplin played with no conscious and will launch regardless if it's a good shot or not. He was also turnover prone at times... so Joplin is what he is, which is a mixed bag of good and bad but he did play pretty well at times today.
We know Ben Gold as he has a fairly large body of work. He's a nice player but it doesn't appear he has another level of play and will continue to just be a sporadic 3 point shooter and marginal rebounder. So sadly as a team we will have no back to the basket post play threat this year which really could be our downfall and lead to a disappointing season.
The Good:
Stevie was good. He gets every ounce out of his God given talent, even though it's less than some other players on our team.
Chase Ross is even more built this year and looks like a borderline bruiser. However, although he does some nice things I don't see him taking a huge jump this year either as far as scoring or anything else. He'll be good for a big dunk once a game, good defense and some three point shots. A very nice player but not a star either... I admit that he could surprise me to the upside as he does have a lot of physical talent.
Zaide Lowery is a very smooth and capable athlete. I think he takes a step up from last year and has some real nice nights were he scores 20+ points and is the stud of the game. However, I don't know why the coaching staff hasn't converted his set shot to a jump shot yet... the later is when you jump and release your shot at the top of your jump instead of shooting and jumping at the same time. At this level every player should have a jump shot, as it's harder to block or alter.
Royce Parham will have to play more than the coaches want to play a freshman because he's too valuable to keep off the floor. I think he was the leading scorer in the first half and scored a number of different ways that included hitting open threes, to creating his own shot, to finishing in transition for a 3 point play. He's also a good rebounder... just an overall high IQ player who gets it and has the ability to do a lot of positive things to help us win.
Josh Clark... early in the scrimmage he was pulled at the first sub each time and the coaches always called him over to point out something they didn't like what he was doing. Then as the game went on he probably ended up being the overall leading scorer or close to it. Granted many where lob dunks but someone with his length and athletic ability makes the game easier for everyone else. He has a freshman body but it's still a pretty sturdy frame and I could see him being scary good by his junior year with 20 to 30lbs of muscle, game experience, savvy and developing a couple go to post moves. He might be too valuable to even red shirt as we could use his talent in the rotation this year in my opinion. I'd prefer to redshirt Al Amadou this year, and play Josh Clark in the rotation now instead. No point in redshirting Josh too if he might be an NBA prospect in 3 to 4 years.
Damarius Owens partook in the warm up drills and looked very athletic and physically impressive. He will be an impact player for us this year as he's essentially Chase Ross with an extra 3 to 4 inches of height and more offensive explosion.
Tre Norman didn't play. I love Tre's high school tape and hope he can have a big jump this year as last year he didn't look like he had the quickness or explosion to be an impact player at this level. I admit and hope I'm wrong as he still did some good things and is a very tough and smart player. Having Kolek as a mentor gave him a great blue print on how to be a great point guard even if you aren't the most athletic player at this level.
Conclusion:
Once again, lots of collective talent/athletic ability/length that can overwhelm opponents in transition when we're getting a lot of team deflections. However, I'm very concerned we won't have any post offense in slower tempo games were we have to rely on half court sets to score. Also very concerned we won't be a very good rebounding team which seems to be a regular trademark for Shaka Marquette teams thus far.
Ceiling: Sweet 16, maybe even Elite 8
Floor: NIT
You need to check Kam's fg% at the rim, as the most "forward" thinking poster here...
Quote from: duanewade on October 05, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
A take from the most intelligent, perceptive, forward thinking poster on the board...
The Bad:
Very disappointed in the coaching staff today. This is not the day for any new/newer player to be timid as there is no game on the line that could hinder our tournament resume. Therefore I was expecting all the players would be aggressive offensively today to show us what they could do. Unfortunately, Caedin Hamilton passed up almost all his opportunities to create a shot for himself in the post and was always looking to pass. It got to the point that the defenders were cheating off him and instead trying to deflect his passes as they knew he wouldn't try to go around them or try to shoot with some kind of post move. This was the most disappointing development for me today as it appears the staff is telling Caedin to have a Oso sophomore year role where Oso played about 18 minutes a game and only scored when he was fed dunks off of penetration. Caedin did show some good defensive rebounding chops, but I'd be surprised if he averages more than 4 points a game this year.
Al Amadou also looked afraid to shoot and passed up many good looks, however late in the 2nd half he had a little run and showed some offense. Once again he is very thin but springy... he could have used last year to red shirt to save a year of eligibility to allow his body to mature and hit his 20's with three to four years of eligibility left. Once again I don't think he'll have an impact this year but think he could still develop into a good player next year and beyond.
Kam is a very good player but he can't physically dominate a game even though he's a our main offensive cog. He's not a dynamic enough athlete who can take over a game by blowing by his opponents or finishing with dunks at the rim. Hence why some said he struggled and looked frustrated in the first half as I think he's more comfortable and effective in a support role than a lead role. Regardless he did a lot of real good things in the 2nd half and is still definitely an impact player.
Unlike some of the timid offensive players mentioned above, Joplin played with no conscious and will launch regardless if it's a good shot or not. He was also turnover prone at times... so Joplin is what he is, which is a mixed bag of good and bad but he did play pretty well at times today.
We know Ben Gold as he has a fairly large body of work. He's a nice player but it doesn't appear he has another level of play and will continue to just be a sporadic 3 point shooter and marginal rebounder. So sadly as a team we will have no back to the basket post play threat this year which really could be our downfall and lead to a disappointing season.
The Good:
Stevie was good. He gets every ounce out of his God given talent, even though it's less than some other players on our team.
Chase Ross is even more built this year and looks like a borderline bruiser. However, although he does some nice things I don't see him taking a huge jump this year either as far as scoring or anything else. He'll be good for a big dunk once a game, good defense and some three point shots. A very nice player but not a star either... I admit that he could surprise me to the upside as he does have a lot of physical talent.
Zaide Lowery is a very smooth and capable athlete. I think he takes a step up from last year and has some real nice nights were he scores 20+ points and is the stud of the game. However, I don't know why the coaching staff hasn't converted his set shot to a jump shot yet... the later is when you jump and release your shot at the top of your jump instead of shooting and jumping at the same time. At this level every player should have a jump shot, as it's harder to block or alter.
Royce Parham will have to play more than the coaches want to play a freshman because he's too valuable to keep off the floor. I think he was the leading scorer in the first half and scored a number of different ways that included hitting open threes, to creating his own shot, to finishing in transition for a 3 point play. He's also a good rebounder... just an overall high IQ player who gets it and has the ability to do a lot of positive things to help us win.
Josh Clark... early in the scrimmage he was pulled at the first sub each time and the coaches always called him over to point out something they didn't like what he was doing. Then as the game went on he probably ended up being the overall leading scorer or close to it. Granted many where lob dunks but someone with his length and athletic ability makes the game easier for everyone else. He has a freshman body but it's still a pretty sturdy frame and I could see him being scary good by his junior year with 20 to 30lbs of muscle, game experience, savvy and developing a couple go to post moves. He might be too valuable to even red shirt as we could use his talent in the rotation this year in my opinion. I'd prefer to redshirt Al Amadou this year, and play Josh Clark in the rotation now instead. No point in redshirting Josh too if he might be an NBA prospect in 3 to 4 years.
Damarius Owens partook in the warm up drills and looked very athletic and physically impressive. He will be an impact player for us this year as he's essentially Chase Ross with an extra 3 to 4 inches of height and more offensive explosion.
Tre Norman didn't play. I love Tre's high school tape and hope he can have a big jump this year as last year he didn't look like he had the quickness or explosion to be an impact player at this level. I admit and hope I'm wrong as he still did some good things and is a very tough and smart player. Having Kolek as a mentor gave him a great blue print on how to be a great point guard even if you aren't the most athletic player at this level.
Conclusion:
Once again, lots of collective talent/athletic ability/length that can overwhelm opponents in transition when we're getting a lot of team deflections. However, I'm very concerned we won't have any post offense in slower tempo games were we have to rely on half court sets to score. Also very concerned we won't be a very good rebounding team which seems to be a regular trademark for Shaka Marquette teams thus far.
Ceiling: Sweet 16, maybe even Elite 8
Floor: NIT
What did your lawyer think?
Quote from: Clam Crowder on October 06, 2024, 04:03:53 AM
Thanks to the 3 people that actually gave some relevant insight to the players and how they looked here. 4 pages of a thread and 90 percent of it about hot dogs says a lot about MUScoop lol
The problem is that I don't think it's all that relevant. I maybe wrong, but it feels like we have made wild assumptions about playing time and player growth after these scrimmages in the past.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 06, 2024, 07:49:49 AM
The problem is that I don't think it's all that relevant. I maybe wrong, but it feels like we have made wild assumptions about playing time and player growth after these scrimmages in the past.
It isn't relevant at all. It's fun, though, and gets people excited. As for any assumptions made from it, there aren't any. A lot will change between now, opening night, non-con schedule and Big East play.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PM
Not having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
probably difficult keeping a 6 yr old interested in anything for two hours. Heck, during the DWade era I did Big Brother's. Keeping a 14 yr old interested in a game DWade was on-court was no easy task!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2024, 08:01:37 AM
It isn't relevant at all. It's fun, though, and gets people excited.
Some people hate fun and excitement.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 06, 2024, 07:49:49 AM
The problem is that I don't think it's all that relevant. I maybe wrong, but it feels like we have made wild assumptions about playing time and player growth after these scrimmages in the past.
Yep. Hard format to gather much since everyone knows what everyone's running.
That said, Clark was farther along than I had anticipated. So many young bigs are mechanical, you can tell the gears are turning while they play. His movement was more instinctual, footwork smoother than expected. I won't say they should pull his redshirt or anything based on the scrimmage, but it was a pleasant surprise.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 06, 2024, 09:12:48 AM
Yep. Hard format to gather much since everyone knows what everyone's running.
That said, Clark was farther along than I had anticipated. So many young bigs are mechanical, you can tell the gears are turning while they play. His movement was more instinctual, footwork smoother than expected. I won't say they should pull his redshirt or anything based on the scrimmage, but it was a pleasant surprise.
I was really looking forward to seeing Owens play, but from the little I have seen and more from what I have heard...Owens, Parham, Clark, and essentially Hamilton look like a promising class. I absolutely love a guy like Clark on the roster given additional scholarships.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 06, 2024, 09:35:47 AM
I was really looking forward to seeing Owens play, but from the little I have seen and more from what I have heard...Owens, Parham, Clark, and essentially Hamilton look like a promising class. I absolutely love a guy like Clark on the roster given additional scholarships.
No additional scholarships this year, but yes. Hopefully he gets bigger (pawz) and progresses well via practice this season. I think Al is like just fun to watch
in the layup line, so love Clark
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 06, 2024, 05:23:59 AM
Costco us several seedings
FIFY, based on all of the hot dog comments.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 06, 2024, 09:51:04 AM
No additional scholarships this year, but yes. Hopefully he gets bigger (pawz) and progresses well via practice this season. I think Al is like just fun to watch
in the layup line, so love Clark
I don't see Al on this team next year...hope I am dead wrong.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 06, 2024, 10:11:49 AM
I don't see Al on this team next year...hope I am dead wrong.
maybe he'll surprise everyone on court. However, if Al's talent is better suited at a lower level...or in a different system, is it a bad thing to have him transfer? Opens a scholly here, and might be better for him too.
Quote from: Viper on October 06, 2024, 11:21:57 AM
maybe he'll surprise everyone on court. However, if Al's talent is better suited at a lower level...or in a different system, is it a bad thing to have him transfer? Opens a scholly here, and might be better for him too.
With a 15 man roster next year, plenty of room for Al if he wants.
Quote from: Viper on October 06, 2024, 11:21:57 AM
maybe he'll surprise everyone on court. However, if Al's talent is better suited at a lower level...or in a different system, is it a bad thing to have him transfer? Opens a scholly here, and might be better for him too.
Surely nothing wrong with that...would just like to see him crack the rotation as an athletic stretch 4, but I'm struggling to see it. Seems like the guy you hear least about. He looks to be behind Parham, Gold, and Hamilton.
Quote from: avid1010 on October 06, 2024, 02:43:39 PM
Surely nothing wrong with that...would just like to see him crack the rotation as an athletic stretch 4, but I'm struggling to see it. Seems like the guy you hear least about. He looks to be behind Parham, Gold, and Hamilton.
Yep. If he's helpful in practice, great locker room guy, wants to stay, great! Plus, who knows... sometimes things click unexpectedly. If he finds an opp elsewhere, all good
Can we talk about a "6 year old" having the audacity to say "I'm pissed."
I would have had my mouth cleaned out with soap. Never mind the lack of gratitude for complaining after mom and/or dad took me somewhere. Yikes! I'd be washing out toilets by hand for a month.
But shame on Marquette....
Quote from: MUCam on October 06, 2024, 09:18:25 PM
Can we talk about a "6 year old" having the audacity to say "I'm pissed."
I would have had my mouth cleaned out with soap. Never mind the lack of gratitude for complaining after mom and/or dad took me somewhere. Yikes! I'd be washing out toilets by hand for a month.
But shame on Marquette....
+1. Parents who try to be best friends with their kids do everyone (especially their kids) a disservice.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 06, 2024, 09:51:15 PM
+1. Parents who try to be best friends with their kids do everyone (especially their kids) a disservice.
But those who judge minute details of parental that are ultimately meaningless are the good guys ::)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 06, 2024, 09:59:40 PM
But those who judge minute details of parental that are ultimately meaningless are the good guys ::)
I'm sure almost everyone falls into the good guy, well meaning category. Everyone loves their kids. But (imo) being a good Dad or Mom comes with some difficult side effects - some nights the kids will go to bed less than happy with you. Hardest part of being a parent but it's essential.
Nothing better than people telling other people how they should raise their kids.
Quote from: MUCam on October 06, 2024, 09:18:25 PM
Can we talk about a "6 year old" having the audacity to say "I'm pissed."
I would have had my mouth cleaned out with soap. Never mind the lack of gratitude for complaining after mom and/or dad took me somewhere. Yikes! I'd be washing out toilets by hand for a month.
But shame on Marquette....
Is it the word pissed offending you? Or are you arguing that children shouldn't articulate when they are upset about something?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 06, 2024, 09:51:15 PM
+1. Parents who try to be best friends with their kids do everyone (especially their kids) a disservice.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 06, 2024, 10:31:32 PM
I'm sure almost everyone falls into the good guy, well meaning category. Everyone loves their kids. But (imo) being a good Dad or Mom comes with some difficult side effects - some nights the kids will go to bed less than happy with you. Hardest part of being a parent but it's essential.
What about brews story (which is what the post you quoted was about) leads you to believe that he is "trying to be best friends with" or "doing a disservice" to his kids?
Quote from: MUCam on October 06, 2024, 09:18:25 PM
Can we talk about a "6 year old" having the audacity to say "I'm pissed."
I would have had my mouth cleaned out with soap. Never mind the lack of gratitude for complaining after mom and/or dad took me somewhere. Yikes! I'd be washing out toilets by hand for a month.
But shame on Marquette....
That's not audacious. I was proud of her for using the term properly. I'm not a puritan who's afraid of language. I don't hide my children from difficult phrases or topics because I'm raising them in the real world, not sheltering them from it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 06, 2024, 10:31:32 PM
I'm sure almost everyone falls into the good guy, well meaning category. Everyone loves their kids. But (imo) being a good Dad or Mom comes with some difficult side effects - some nights the kids will go to bed less than happy with you. Hardest part of being a parent but it's essential.
Come off your high horse, you know nothing prick. You know less than zero about my household or how I raise my kids. They are comfortable enough to speak their minds to me because they know they are safe, yet despite her saying the word "pissed" to me (oh heavens to Murgatroyd!) her teachers always praise how well behaved and rule following she is.
Mind your own goddamn business.
One month out from the season and even the somewhat rational posters are coming unhinged over a hot dog. We are so back! Bring on Stony Brook!!!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 07, 2024, 08:09:41 AM
What about brews story (which is what the post you quoted was about) leads you to believe that he is "trying to be best friends with" or "doing a disservice" to his kids?
I wasn't there, I have nothing to go on but Brew's own description of what happened. I think a parent that defends (or celebrates) the sort of behavior he described is doing his child a disservice. Others are free to disagree - parenting is certainly not an exact science.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 07, 2024, 09:04:07 AM
I wasn't there, I have nothing to go on but Brew's own description of what happened. I think a parent that defends (or celebrates) the sort of behavior he described is doing his child a disservice. Others are free to disagree - parenting is certainly not an exact science.
Because his child said "I'm pissed" because she was hungry? AFAIK, she didn't have a tantrum, make a scene or did anything that would disrupt the people around her.
Quote from: MUCam on October 06, 2024, 09:18:25 PM
Can we talk about a "6 year old" having the audacity to say "I'm pissed."
I would have had my mouth cleaned out with soap. Never mind the lack of gratitude for complaining after mom and/or dad took me somewhere. Yikes! I'd be washing out toilets by hand for a month.
But shame on Marquette....
Then you'd have been made to walk home uphill in two feet of snow.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 07, 2024, 08:32:33 AM
That's not audacious. I was proud of her for using the term properly. I'm not a puritan who's afraid of language. I don't hide my children from difficult phrases or topics because I'm raising them in the real world, not sheltering them from it.
Come off your high horse, you know nothing prick. You know less than zero about my household or how I raise my kids. They are comfortable enough to speak their minds to me because they know they are safe, yet despite her saying the word "pissed" to me (oh heavens to Murgatroyd!) her teachers always praise how well behaved and rule following she is.
Mind your own goddamn business.
I personally could care less about how you parent your kid, but getting all twisted over a scrimmage not having hot dogs/concessions available makes you look like a high horse riding, prick.
Not sure what's gotten you to become such an angry, unhinged, individual, but this rant, along with your incessant criticsim of MU's social media content (which is actually quite good), is just "weird."
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 05, 2024, 02:23:54 PM
A few takeaways....
Ben dove for a ball at practice this week..needed 9 stitches....the reason for the mask.
Chase will have a great year per Shaka. Wearing sleeve on left arm.
DO really look the part. Hoping to able to practice this week, slight injury.
This is the place to be at marquette...no place better (Shaka).
Walkon Jack Anderson can shoot the 3 ball...Shaka said so....and then he did.
Caedin crafty and big.... Several offensive fouls on picks....help d (showing on screens)very solid.
Learned alot from Oso. Stutter step croosover, looking for back door cuts, etc. Body way ahead of Oso at this age.
PG Stevie very crafty at rim...both hands. Very solid.
Jop 50% or so on 3s......but some head scratching decisions/turnovers.
Kam frustrated in first half. Old Kam second half.
BG short on every 3 attempt. 0-5 from deep, I believe.
Sean coaching blue in TOs.
Royce can score.....3 times in a row late in the game.
I was going to say Al is still behind, but I think this is what he is. Shaka calls him energy guy.
Clark had ~8 dunks off help d commitments.....nice to have 7'1" to lob to.
My biggest takeaway is Caedin got an education from Oso and it shows. He said as much. He will be a focal point at some time.....maybe next season.
Thank you for the synopsis.
I'm pissed. Although generally I use "pissed off".
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 07, 2024, 09:09:01 AM
Because his child said "I'm pissed" because she was hungry? AFAIK, she didn't have a tantrum, make a scene or did anything that would disrupt the people around her.
I assumed that Brew being moved to a tantrum over such a minor issue was his overreaction to a child's overreaction. If it was all him, I apologize to the child.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 07, 2024, 09:04:07 AM
I wasn't there, I have nothing to go on but Brew's own description of what happened. I think a parent that defends (or celebrates) the sort of behavior he described is doing his child a disservice. Others are free to disagree - parenting is certainly not an exact science.
Can you explain how defending a six year old expressing that that she was disappointed (without throwing a tantrum or making a scene) that they were given a choice between being hungry and attending an event they were looking forward to is a disservice?
Is your opinion that children should be silent if they are disappointed by something?
Edit: I see in you last post that you mistakenly assumed that the child was throwing a tantrum
nm
We had hot dogs last night for dinner.
I'll call them Chicago style. Had the traditional toppings, minus tomatoes. Even got a jar of Vienna sport peppers. Used Neuske's applewood smoked skin on wieners. Pretty darned good.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 07, 2024, 09:15:34 AM
I personally could care less about how you parent your kid, but getting all twisted over a scrimmage not having hot dogs/concessions available makes you look like a high horse riding, prick.
Not sure what's gotten you to become such an angry, unhinged, individual, but this rant, along with your incessant criticsim of MU's social media content (which is actually quite good), is just "weird."
Yes, how dare I expect that Marquette would do what they've done in the past at such events, including the oh so distant past of the night before at the women's basketball event? ::)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 07, 2024, 09:04:07 AM
I wasn't there, I have nothing to go on but Brew's own description of what happened. I think a parent that defends (or celebrates) the sort of behavior he described is doing his child a disservice. Others are free to disagree - parenting is certainly not an exact science.
Unreal. ::)
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Quote from: Elonsmusk on October 07, 2024, 09:15:34 AM
I personally could care less about how you parent your kid, but getting all twisted over a scrimmage not having hot dogs/concessions available makes you look like a high horse riding, prick.
Not sure what's gotten you to become such an angry, unhinged, individual, but this rant, along with your incessant criticsim of MU's social media content (which is actually quite good), is just "weird."
Ironic coming from the king of "weird" incessant posting about a coach that hasn't been here for years.
I know I'm coming to Scoop for parenting classes if we're ever expecting children.
Brew's poor kid would be better off if he was an absentee father. Kid's going to be a spoiled brat.
What a joke this place is haha. Imagine telling someone you've never met that they're raising their child (that you've also never met) incorrectly. My god talk about overinflated sense of self importance.
SUPERBAR!
Quote from: wadesworld on October 07, 2024, 10:01:15 AM
I know I'm coming to Scoop for parenting classes if we're ever expecting children.
Brew's poor kid would be better off if he was an absentee father. Kid's going to be a spoiled brat.
What a joke this place is haha. Imagine telling someone you've never met that they're raising their child (that you've alap never met) incorrectly. My god talk about overinflated sense of self importance.
Because she used the word "pissed."
A couple weeks ago, my 3 yo let fly with an "Oh, dammit!" when he accidentally knocked over his Magna-tile tower. I surrendered him to child services because I'm an unfit parent.
We try to censor ourselves, but we're human too. And kids pick up things in all sorts of settings, especially if they are in daycare/school.
What a ridiculous discussion, even by Scoop standards.
To me, this is art
For those at the scrimmage (and in the hopes of wrangling this topic back into where it needs to be):
1. How much was Stevie in the "pg" role? How did he look there?
2. Do you think Royce can hold his own at about 5mpg?
3. Caedin-- did he look the part? Frosh mistakes or looked in control?
4. Is Jop looking a bit quicker this year?
5. Was Kam primary ballhandler? How did he look in that role if so?
6. How big is the hype train for Clark now?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 07, 2024, 10:12:32 AM
To me, this is art
100%. This thread and the many others like it are why I pay the annual fee to come here.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 07, 2024, 10:15:19 AM
For those at the scrimmage (and in the hopes of wrangling this topic back into where it needs to be):
1. How much was Stevie in the "pg" role? How did he look there?
2. Do you think Royce can hold his own at about 5mpg?
3. Caedin-- did he look the part? Frosh mistakes or looked in control?
4. Is Jop looking a bit quicker this year?
5. Was Kam primary ballhandler? How did he look in that role if so?
6. How big is the hype train for Clark now?
1) Handled the ball some, went right at Kam a few times and had some tough finishes in traffic. Probably the third (fourth if Sean comes back) option behind Kam and Tre.
2) He showed flashes, I think the game moves a bit too fast for him defensively still. Polished offensive game though. He may play some, but I'd be surprised if he's in the rotation against the better NC/BE teams.
3) Looked tentative at times still. Certainly their most physical presence, showed nice touch out to the three in warmups, but twice got tossed a shot clock grenade and wouldn't take the jumper.
4) Maybe? Jop was Jop. Got hot from deep, drove to the lane and got stuck a bunch. He needs to level up.
5) Kam's handle isn't as tight as I would have liked to see, but his creation for other guys was really good. He'll be fine. My worry with him being the primary ballhandler is how much it will reduce the catch and shoot looks for him. The offense needs those shots.
6) CHOO CHOOOOO. He still has a lot to work on, but like I said earlier he plays with natural basketball instincts, and he's starting from a more advanced place than I thought. A redshirt year will do him good physically and he can work more on ball skills. But the way he moves is next level, on both ends. 2 years from now he could be an absolute monster.
For what it's worth, judging parenting is poor form.
I own that. My apologies. Sincerely and without sarcasm.
It was a silly statement primarily designed to criticize the premises of the whining post, which honestly I find just as silly and frankly whiny. It was poor design on my part. Again, my apologies.
And for the one who asked, yes, I would have made that kid walk home 2 miles in the snow barefoot.... (That is said in jest).
Just catching up, how were the concessions?
With a precocious comment like that, Brew's kid is set for CEO stardom! #BossMoves
Quote from: rocky_warrior on October 07, 2024, 11:44:05 AM
Just catching up, how were the concessions?
Lets just say kids and adults alike were pissed!
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 07, 2024, 10:09:57 AM
A couple weeks ago, my 3 yo let fly with an "Oh, dammit!" when he accidentally knocked over his tower.
Love towers.
Were there tickets for the scrimmage? Could you have grabbed some food on campus and returned? While I've never witnessed it, I'm fairly certain Real Chili has hot dogs.
A couple weeks ago my wife told my four year old daughter she needed to show some effort. Her response was "you want me to say the F-word?"
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 07, 2024, 09:45:29 AM
We had hot dogs last night for dinner.
I'll call them Chicago style. Had the traditional toppings, minus tomatoes. Even got a jar of Vienna sport peppers. Used Neuske's applewood smoked skin on wieners. Pretty darned good.
Chicago style hot dogs without a little tomato??? What are you, some kind of communist???
But +1 on the Nueskes. Very good.
TallTitan
I had a hot dog at Real Chili a couple of weeks. I can confirm they indeed do serve hot dogs.
Quote from: Goose on October 07, 2024, 01:11:05 PM
TallTitan
I had a hot dog at Real Chili a couple of weeks. I can confirm they indeed do serve hot dogs.
I've never branched out from a bowl of chili.
How are the hot dogs there?
TallTitan
Pretty generic. I was running late to a meeting and did not have time for chili and grabbed hot dog to go.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 07, 2024, 01:15:46 PM
I've never branched out from a bowl of chili.
How are the hot dogs there?
They're good. Reminds me of what they used to serve at the McGuire Center.
The prices for entrance into the scrimmage were inexcusable! And shame on Sean for not giving the ol' knee a go for all those that made the trip to the Al!
"Obscene, awkward nauseous cautious trendsetter / Pissed at people who sleep, like bedwetters"
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 07, 2024, 01:53:08 PM
The prices for entrance into the scrimmage were inexcusable! And shame on Sean for not giving the ol' knee a go for all those that made the trip to the Al!
"Obscene, awkward nauseous cautious trendsetter / Pissed at people who sleep, like bedwetters"
Outrageous......preposterous!
https://youtu.be/dbG4P-AYzzA?si=7u6Ntx59YMSTWjWy
My wife is making the Real Chili recipe tonight at my son's request. I'll need to slap some on one of those Neuske's dogs and report back to Scoop tomorrow morning.
Clearly, we raised our kid right if he is asking for Real Chili.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 07, 2024, 02:47:38 PM
My wife is making the Real Chili recipe tonight at my son's request. I'll need to slap some on one of those Neuske's dogs and report back to Scoop tomorrow morning.
Clearly, we raised our kid right if he is asking for Real Chili.
Bowl of hot with spaghetti, beans and cheese???
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 07, 2024, 02:47:38 PM
My wife is making the Real Chili recipe tonight at my son's request. I'll need to slap some on one of those Neuske's dogs and report back to Scoop tomorrow morning.
Clearly, we raised our kid right if he is asking for Real Chili.
Can you please PM me the recipe? Thanks in advance
Quote from: swoopem on October 07, 2024, 03:07:26 PM
Can you please PM me the recipe? Thanks in advance
I got it off the scoop wiki.
Hey, where did the wiki go?
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 07, 2024, 03:53:22 PM
I got it off the scoop wiki.
Hey, where did the wiki go?
I noticed that some time ago. My guess is that Rocky sent it on a long vacation.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 07, 2024, 03:53:22 PM
I got it off the scoop wiki.
Hey, where did the wiki go?
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/real_chili
I go with recipe #1 and dial back the chocolate a bit.
Ok gang, not to be obnoxious, but none of know what goes on inside each others home.
My late Mom, God love her, used to say, until you know what happens in MY home, you have no right to criticize my parenting."
She was so right!
We know what goes on at The Al, though!
Chili dog was excellent last night. Added some dice onion, finely grated cheddar, and some Cholula.
So guys, uhhhhh how about that scrimmage?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 09, 2024, 03:28:06 PM
So guys, uhhhhh how about that scrimmage?
Have only heard Josh Clark is red shirting but after watching Josh block Kam's shots and Josh's approximately 8 dunks in the scrimmage feel Josh can help this Marquette team win games this year
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on October 11, 2024, 04:09:35 PM
Have only heard Josh Clark is red shirting but after watching Josh block Kam's shots and Josh's approximately 8 dunks in the scrimmage feel Josh can help this Marquette team win games this year
I completely agree. I think it's a big mistake to redshirt him as he probably won't be around 4 to 5 years and we could use his talent this year.
Quote from: duanewade on October 11, 2024, 07:00:28 PM
I completely agree. I think it's a big mistake to redshirt him as he probably won't be around 4 to 5 years and we could use his talent this year.
Problem is he needs a lot of work in the weight room to compete on a nightly basis right now.
Quote from: duanewade on October 11, 2024, 07:00:28 PM
I completely agree. I think it's a big mistake to redshirt him as he probably won't be around 4 to 5 years and we could use his talent this year.
Like Kalkbrenner?
Quote from: duanewade on October 11, 2024, 07:00:28 PM
I completely agree. I think it's a big mistake to redshirt him as he probably won't be around 4 to 5 years and we could use his talent this year.
I agree with this.
I'll give Shaka the benefit of the doubt. He's done okay for himself when evaluating basketball talent. Not to mention, sees these players play much more than just a 2 hour scrimmage.
Quote from: duanewade on October 11, 2024, 07:00:28 PM
I completely agree. I think it's a big mistake to redshirt him as he probably won't be around 4 to 5 years and we could use his talent this year.
Never been more confident the right decision is a redshirt.
Scoop intelligentsia has a razor sharp sense of Josh Clark's development after one (1) two-hour scrimmage in September they did not attend.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on October 12, 2024, 02:38:10 AM
Scoop intelligentsia has a razor sharp sense of Josh Clark's development after one (1) two-hour scrimmage in September they did not attend.
That....and they saw a 10 second video of him blocking a shot of a player 8" shorter in a one on one drill, and think he may be in contention for defensive POY.
He is 7'1 with hands and he dunked a lot in the scrimmage. MU sure is fortunate to be able to allow him to take a year to get stronger and work on his skills. I am going to trust the coaches and their plan.
Who do I trust more. Shaka or duanewade. It's a close call.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 12, 2024, 07:36:38 AM
Who do I trust more. Shaka or duanewade. It's a close call.
Thank God its Shaka and this line of reasoning is well, reasonable. It's was the same logic that was used during the last administration ad nauseum and it turned out to be dead wrong.
I have faith, like you, Shaka knows what he is doing. That is very comforting as a fan of the program and school.
IIRC, Anim was the only redshirt for developmental reasons.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 09:20:01 AM
IIRC, Anim was the only redshirt for developmental reasons.
Keeyan?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on October 11, 2024, 04:09:35 PM
Have only heard Josh Clark is red shirting but after watching Josh block Kam's shots and Josh's approximately 8 dunks in the scrimmage feel Josh can help this Marquette team win games this year
Hes 17 years old and 7 feet tall. He is RSing.
He looked good in a scrimmage with kam feeding him lobs 24/7. He had Royce and Ben Gold playing the 3 and 4 next to him.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 12, 2024, 09:41:22 AM
Keeyan?
My apologies for not being more specific. Under Wojo.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 09:20:01 AM
IIRC, Anim was the only redshirt for developmental reasons.
Too narrow Tower. Overall faith in the coach making correct decisions.
I like the retro chic thinking and planning of this regime. Develop and retain is so old school and subversive at the same time. Not being paint by numbers.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 10:40:50 AM
I like the rero chic thinking and planning of this regime. Develop and retain is so old school and subversive at the same time. Not being paint by numbers.
Agreed. Shaka makes this work. I believe he will get the job done at the highest level. Lucky to have him.
Reports on Josh from those at the scrimmage should be ignored. The fans were starving and pissed, so their viewing lenses were all out of whack. #NoDogsOnlyLobs
My bad... the group think board members with 100,000 posts each have convinced me my sound logic is actually wrong! :-[
Regardless I surveyed all our opponent's coaching staffs and they also all agreed that redshirting Joshua Clark was a great idea. When I asked them to elaborate, the consensus was they didn't like the idea of a 7'1 shot blocker and finisher being added to Marquette's arsenal of talent this season. They're very afraid he might be able to make a positive impact in games for Marquette, and especially with big question marks at the 5 with Hamilton and Gold. They applauded the board's stance that nothing good comes of a player with a big upside getting playing time and experience early in their career. Finally, they went on to say that hopefully he grows another inch and puts on 20 lbs. while redshirting this year and gets convinced to transfer or go to an NBA developmental league so they never have to face him.
After all even a 17 year old Markus Howard was not a valuable contributor to Marquette when he averaged 13 points a game for us as a freshman.
Finally, 7'1 athletic players grow on trees and are easy to get. After all, look at the recent luck Marquette had in trying to get a 6'10 Kai Rogers in our backyard.
Thanks again to the board for helping me see the light! ::)
We'll see. Never stop doing you.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 11:37:36 AM
My bad... the group think board members with 100,000 posts each have convinced me my sound logic is actually wrong! :-[
Regardless I surveyed all our opponent's coaching staffs and they also all agreed that redshirting Joshua Clark was a great idea. When I asked them to elaborate, the consensus was they didn't like the idea of a 7'1 shot blocker and finisher being added to Marquette's arsenal of talent this season. They're very afraid he might be able to make a positive impact in games for Marquette, and especially with big question marks at the 5 with Hamilton and Gold. They applauded the board's stance that nothing good comes of a player with a big upside getting playing time and experience early in their career. Finally, they went on to say that hopefully he grows another inch and puts on 20 lbs. while redshirting this year and gets convinced to transfer or go to an NBA developmental league so they never have to face him.
After all even a 17 year old Markus Howard was not a valuable contributor to Marquette when he averaged 13 points a game for us as a freshman.
Finally, 7'1 athletic players grow on trees and are easy to get. After all, look at the recent luck Marquette had in trying to get a 6'10 Kai Rogers in our backyard.
Thanks again to the board for helping me see the light! ::)
Markus was a top 100 recruit that could've gone to a huge number of high major programs. 247 shows no other offers from D1 programs for Joshua Clark.
But yeah. He's basically Markus Howard, but add 14 inches of height. Great comp.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 11:37:36 AM
Finally, 7'1 athletic players grow on trees and are easy to get. After all, look at the recent luck Marquette had in trying to get a 6'10 Kai Rogers in our backyard.
For sure. Yous Mbao not starting was Buzz's demise. 7'2" and barely played. Big Buzz blunder.
If Joshua Clark is actually being held back by this coaching staff, then they are the greatest coaching staff in history. 5 short months ago, MU signed him out of nowhere. He was 7' without a high major offer.
In only 5 months, he has gone from 'who', to 'wow'. From questioning Shaka's sanity to questioning Shaka's sanity.
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 12:23:35 PM
If Joshua Clark is actually being held back by this coaching staff, then they are the greatest coaching staff in history. 5 short months ago, MU signed him out of nowhere. He was 7' without a high major offer.
In only 5 months, he has gone from 'who', to 'wow'. From questioning Shaka's sanity to questioning Shaka's sanity.
Recruiting and even drafting four years later is never an exact science.
Tony Mandarich was a can't miss prospect when being taking #2 overall in the NFL draft.
Dwyane Wade was lightly recruited and we had to originally beat out teams like Illinois State after even DuhPaul passed on him.
There are countless examples of extreme busts and extreme surprises.
If a kid is 7'1 and passes the eye test and becomes your leading scorer in a scrimmage regardless of the circumstances in how he did it... you need to evaluate if he can help us this year regardless of his recruiting ratings. Just common sense. 🤷♂️
I am sure the coaches are. Do you still hold to your thesis that Shaka should abandon the upperclassmen and play all of the freshmen? This is just a continuation of that argument. You do not believe in the returning players.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 12:34:18 PM
Recruiting and even drafting four years later is never an exact science.
Tony Mandarich was a can't miss prospect when being taking #2 overall in the NFL draft.
Dwyane Wade was lightly recruited and we had to originally beat out teams like Illinois State after even DuhPaul passed on him.
There are countless examples of extreme busts and extreme surprises.
If a kid is 7'1 and passes the eye test and becomes your leading scorer in a scrimmage regardless of the circumstances in how he did it... you need to evaluate if he can help us this year regardless of his recruiting ratings. Just common sense. 🤷♂️
Dwyane Wade wasn't eligible to play at most high major schools. You're killing these comparisons today. Totally apples to apples. Joshua Clark is Dwyane Wade and Markus Howard in Dodds's blender. Too bad Shaka is incompetent and opposing coaches are rejoicing, and Joshua will transfer for a year before being a lottery pick.
WWMFD?
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 12:34:18 PM
Recruiting and even drafting four years later is never an exact science.
Tony Mandarich was a can't miss prospect when being taking #2 overall in the NFL draft.
Dwyane Wade was lightly recruited and we had to originally beat out teams like Illinois State after even DuhPaul passed on him.
There are countless examples of extreme busts and extreme surprises.
If a kid is 7'1 and passes the eye test and becomes your leading scorer in a scrimmage regardless of the circumstances in how he did it... you need to evaluate if he can help us this year regardless of his recruiting ratings. Just common sense. 🤷♂️
What would common sense tell you about someone who thinks they know more than Shaka from one scrimmage?
Quote from: tower912 on October 12, 2024, 12:36:56 PM
I am sure the coaches are. Do you still hold to your thesis that Shaka should abandon the upperclassmen and play all of the freshmen? This is just a continuation of that argument. You do not believe in the returning players.
It's ok to admit I make good points instead of silly, extreme word twisting of what I've written previously. Hence why I usually don't respond at all as most the people on this board talk to hear themselves and post absolute gibberish.
However I still like Tower and his post game summaries are good and very accurate.
So yes, if Royce Parham is a more effective shooter, rebounder and scorer than Ben Gold or say even Joplin then I fully support him starting at the 4 over Gold/Joplin.
Many teams start and play true freshman if it gives them the best chance to win. I'm not a big believer in Joplin and Gold in what I've seen thus far. Both are good players at times but have not shown to be great players to date and am open to the fact that some of the freshman might be better than them. 🤷♂️
Same goes for anyone on the roster. If Damarius Owens is even better and more effective than Chase Ross then Damarius should start and get more minutes.
Neither of the above are silly/crazy hypotheticals either as Parham and Owens and possible even Clark could all be critical components to this year's team based in what I've seen thus far.
I was also at the scrimmage. Clark is not ready to play this year, but im excited to see what he can be 2 years from now.
He did a great job of finding the open spots around the rim when the entire defense collapsed on Kams drives.
But he also only had 1 rebound the entire scrimmage, was often lost on defense and was subbed out often due to being gassed after playing just short minutes. He needs the game to slow down, get in better shape and put on a lot of weight to hold up defensively as a rim protector in the Big East, but that is all expected from a young incoming freshman. Shaka and staff will get him there, but a year of just practice and weights will be great for him.
Quote from: JTJ3 on October 12, 2024, 01:49:42 PM
I was also at the scrimmage. Clark is not ready to play this year, but im excited to see what he can be 2 years from now.
He did a great job of finding the open spots around the rim when the entire defense collapsed on Kams drives.
But he also only had 1 rebound the entire scrimmage, was often lost on defense and was subbed out often due to being gassed after playing just short minutes. He needs the game to slow down, get in better shape and put on a lot of weight to hold up defensively as a rim protector in the Big East, but that is all expected from a young incoming freshman. Shaka and staff will get him there, but a year of just practice and weights will be great for him.
How are you gassed and then also be down the court at the same to be in a position for lob dunks which he had a lot of as he led the team in scoring? Seems like a contradiction doesn't it?
Some of what you said is true but could also be said for any freshman or young player period could it not?
And as I pointed out in another post he was subbed early in the first half a couple of times and the coaches called him over before going out to discuss some kind of teaching point. If he was subbed out due to conditioning alone they would have just let him just go to the end of the bench for some rest.
Whoever was guarding him and allowed all the open dunks needs lectures on defensive positioning as I didn't notice him defensively one way or the other from this scrimmage alone. But that's a whole different topic as the defender of the penetrator is mostly at fault when guys get open for lob dunks.
It's ok to see different things.
I think he could help us this year and made my case for why redshirting him might not be the best decision. Others feel differently and that is ok too.
We just think it's funny that you are basing this on an intersquad scrimmage versus simply trusting the coach.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 12, 2024, 02:54:30 PM
We just think it's funny that you are basing this on an intersquad scrimmage versus simply trusting the coach.
There was more than just the scrimmage in his post. He surveyed all of our opponents' coaching staffs about Clark.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 11:37:36 AM
My bad... the group think board members with 100,000 posts each have convinced me my sound logic is actually wrong! :-[
Regardless I surveyed all our opponent's coaching staffs and they also all agreed that redshirting Joshua Clark was a great idea. When I asked them to elaborate, the consensus was they didn't like the idea of a 7'1 shot blocker and finisher being added to Marquette's arsenal of talent this season. They're very afraid he might be able to make a positive impact in games for Marquette, and especially with big question marks at the 5 with Hamilton and Gold. They applauded the board's stance that nothing good comes of a player with a big upside getting playing time and experience early in their career. Finally, they went on to say that hopefully he grows another inch and puts on 20 lbs. while redshirting this year and gets convinced to transfer or go to an NBA developmental league so they never have to face him.
After all even a 17 year old Markus Howard was not a valuable contributor to Marquette when he averaged 13 points a game for us as a freshman.
Finally, 7'1 athletic players grow on trees and are easy to get. After all, look at the recent luck Marquette had in trying to get a 6'10 Kai Rogers in our backyard.
Thanks again to the board for helping me see the light! ::)
This is exceedingly dumb, even for you.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 11:37:36 AM
My bad... the group think board members with 100,000 posts each have convinced me my sound logic is actually wrong! :-[
Regardless I surveyed all our opponent's coaching staffs and they also all agreed that redshirting Joshua Clark was a great idea. When I asked them to elaborate, the consensus was they didn't like the idea of a 7'1 shot blocker and finisher being added to Marquette's arsenal of talent this season. They're very afraid he might be able to make a positive impact in games for Marquette, and especially with big question marks at the 5 with Hamilton and Gold. They applauded the board's stance that nothing good comes of a player with a big upside getting playing time and experience early in their career. Finally, they went on to say that hopefully he grows another inch and puts on 20 lbs. while redshirting this year and gets convinced to transfer or go to an NBA developmental league so they never have to face him.
After all even a 17 year old Markus Howard was not a valuable contributor to Marquette when he averaged 13 points a game for us as a freshman.
Finally, 7'1 athletic players grow on trees and are easy to get. After all, look at the recent luck Marquette had in trying to get a 6'10 Kai Rogers in our backyard.
Thanks again to the board for helping me see the light! ::)
Thanks! Wasn't sure you were an idiot, but this convinced me.
Quote from: duanewade on October 12, 2024, 02:38:31 PM
How are you gassed and then also be down the court at the same to be in a position for lob dunks which he had a lot of as he led the team in scoring? Seems like a contradiction doesn't it?
Some of what you said is true but could also be said for any freshman or young player period could it not?
And as I pointed out in another post he was subbed early in the first half a couple of times and the coaches called him over before going out to discuss some kind of teaching point. If he was subbed out due to conditioning alone they would have just let him just go to the end of the bench for some rest.
Whoever was guarding him and allowed all the open dunks needs lectures on defensive positioning as I didn't notice him defensively one way or the other from this scrimmage alone. But that's a whole different topic as the defender of the penetrator is mostly at fault when guys get open for lob dunks.
It's ok to see different things.
I think he could help us this year and made my case for why redshirting him might not be the best decision. Others feel differently and that is ok too.
Imagine Bradley Beal calling out Shaka for his amazing work with Oso...what a dope...duanewade realizes Shaka doesn't even know talent let alone develop it.
duanewade has made a strong case for Scoop Offseason MVP. A bit of out of nowhere too, his moneyline was +1100 in late April.
I don't know. After scanning this horrific thread I think Brewcity77 wrapped up that prize. Beware of recency bias:)