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Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 02, 2024, 08:42:05 PM
What happened here?

https://x.com/westpinebills/status/1841592724341854226?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 03, 2024, 10:09:00 AM
Racism against whites

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 09, 2024, 03:18:46 PM
LeBron takes to social media to complain about Lakers' FO.  Should be a fun season in LA  :D

""Can someone please explain to me why we're getting on a [plane emoji] and heading to Milwaukee for 1 pre-season game!?!?" James posted to X on Wednesday."

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2024, 03:21:30 PM
GOAT

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 09, 2024, 03:26:32 PM
Why not just talk to your own front office and keep it private? Is there an issue with the FO and LeBron that he has to take public shots them? Is he mad Bronny wasn't taken in the first round?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 09, 2024, 03:26:32 PM
Why not just talk to your own front office and keep it private? Is there an issue with the FO and LeBron that he has to take public shots at them? Is he mad Bronny wasn't taken in the first round?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 09, 2024, 03:26:32 PM
Why not just talk to your own front office and keep it private? Is there an issue with the FO and LeBron that he has to take public shots at them? Is he mad Bronny wasn't taken in the first round?

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2024, 03:43:05 PM
I'm guessing the front office didn't make their preseason schedule.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 09, 2024, 04:21:15 PM
That is interesting. And is probably why most teams just stick around their area. But apparently the problem is they don't have access to their arena due to ongoing renovations.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 09, 2024, 04:20:07 PM
Apparently, all NBA teams are responsible to schedule their own preseason schedule. They are not even required to schedule any. Who knew?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 09, 2024, 04:20:07 PM
Apparently, all NBA teams are responsible to schedule their own preseason schedule. They are not even required to schedule any. Who knew?

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2024, 05:02:22 PM
I stand corrected then.  That's pretty crazy.  I just figured it was all set by the NBA for them, just like the regular season schedule.

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 10, 2024, 11:54:11 AM
Kendrick Perkins, loan shark?!

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41664466/nilly-nil-company-college-athletes-kendrick-perkins-consumer-protection-experts

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2024, 03:34:12 PM
He's the GOAT

Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2024, 03:43:05 PM
I'm guessing the front office didn't make their preseason schedule.

Quote from: The Lens on October 10, 2024, 11:24:22 PM
This is how I know you know nothing about professional sports

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 11, 2024, 08:42:20 AM
I like to think I knew a little about professional sports but assumed the League set up preseason. This was news to me.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 15, 2024, 07:30:02 PM
Both were solid players, occasional All-Stars, who belong in the Hall of Very Good.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 15, 2024, 07:33:50 PM
But you have to take into account who is in and whether they were better.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2024, 07:34:34 PM
No

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 15, 2024, 07:33:50 PM
But you have to take into account who is in and whether they were better.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 15, 2024, 07:36:08 PM
Is Billups better than Gus Williams?  Statistically he's not. 

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 15, 2024, 07:46:36 PM
I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 15, 2024, 07:46:36 PM
I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

Quote from: tower912 on October 15, 2024, 07:46:30 PM
Where he won his only championships.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 15, 2024, 07:48:05 PM
Look at some of the people that are in Fluffy.  This isn't just about the Euro or International players. 

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 15, 2024, 08:07:02 PM
Again I don't care who's in. Mistakes shouldn't compound mistakes.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 15, 2024, 08:13:02 PM
Who determines "mistakes"?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 15, 2024, 07:46:36 PM
I keep forgetting the Basketball Hall of Fame isn't the NBA Hall of Fame, so I can see what you are saying about Aguirre. But he was just a three time All-Star and never in the top 10 for MVP voting.  And on those Pistons championships, he was arguably the fourth or fifth best player on the team.  That's just not good enough.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on October 22, 2024, 04:54:52 AM
ESPN project bucks as the #9 best team projected to win 46 games?  MGM over/under is 50.5

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 22, 2024, 07:51:40 AM
The problem isn't Giannis. Dame and him are fine. The problem is the supporting cast is old and/or bad. IMO their window is thoroughly shut.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 22, 2024, 07:51:40 AM
The problem isn't Giannis. Dame and him are fine. The problem is the supporting cast is old and/or bad. IMO their window is thoroughly shut.

Quote from: MUfan12 on October 22, 2024, 09:32:43 AM
Disagree. Swapping Wright, Prince, and Trent for PatBev, Jae, and Beasley will make them much, much better (and younger).

Khris is the key. If they can figure out a way to manage his health, like they did with Brook, there's no reason they can't compete at the top of the East.

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 22, 2024, 06:57:02 PM
Kolek might get some extended run if the flogging continues tonight

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 22, 2024, 07:12:24 PM
Ill be honest,

if TK isnt getting major minutes over Cam Payne by January, hes either playing awful or Thibs is mentally unfit to coach.

Payne is rancid and frankly doesnt even know what hes doing out there.

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 22, 2024, 07:21:23 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/97ltjp.jpg)

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 22, 2024, 07:25:36 PM
Also whatever the Knicks did to Mikal Bridges shot this offseason, i'd advise they undo it ASAP

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 22, 2024, 10:15:36 PM
Well, we can all blame the Wolves for being so bad out the gates to let Bronny actually check in

Its just hard to find it so "cool" for the father/son duo when the son wouldnt start for georgetown this year.

Hes so bad, and yet has the shot selection of Kobe

Quote from: Pakuni on October 22, 2024, 10:36:11 PM
The Bronny hype and the Bronny hate are both entirely stupid.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 22, 2024, 10:36:11 PM
The Bronny hype and the Bronny hate are both entirely stupid.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 07:51:28 AM
You can hate the hype - but it most certainly is a story.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 23, 2024, 07:55:25 AM
Guys like Kenny Smith don't help, if anything he stokes the "hate" by selling Bronny as a legit NBA player and not the beneficiary of who his dad is. In fact last night he painted Bronny as a player who had to overcome the fact that LeBron wasn't always there to help him with his game. Can anyone get behind the narrative that Bronny is in the NBA in spite of his family?

For the record, I have zero problem with Bronny being drafted and playing for the Lakers. If your parents can get you into Harvard or a hedge fund or the NBA, good for you and good for these parents who want the best for their children. The world could use more of that.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:05:09 AM
The world could use more nepotism???

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 23, 2024, 08:07:13 AM
"good for these parents who want the best for their children."

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 23, 2024, 07:55:25 AM
Guys like Kenny Smith don't help, if anything he stokes the "hate" by selling Bronny as a legit NBA player and not the beneficiary of who his dad is. In fact last night he painted Bronny as a player who had to overcome the fact that LeBron wasn't always there to help him with his game. Can anyone get behind the narrative that Bronny is in the NBA in spite of his family?

For the record, I have zero problem with Bronny being drafted and playing for the Lakers. If your parents can get you into Harvard or a hedge fund or the NBA, good for you and good for these parents who want the best for their children. The world could use more of that.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 08:16:02 AM
Maybe Lebron should have gotten Bronny into Harvard and a hedge fund?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 23, 2024, 08:41:45 AM
I'm sure he could have. And people would complain about it also.

I will concede the NBA is different as the rosters and salaries are fixed unlike Harvard or a hedge fund, so he is taking the place of a deserving player, and I concede that the contract for that player would be life changing as opposed to some extra spending money for Bronny.

But I guess the the fact that Bronny is a decent player (not NBA talent) and is hard working and from a business perspective, as that is all the NBA is, it moves the needle for publicity and makes the most important employee happy, I'm okay with it.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 08:51:56 AM
But what's best for Bronny is a different question.  I think Fluffy makes a valid point.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:09:31 AM
I would suggest that using your connections to get your kids somewhere they don't deserve to be otherwise isn't best for them.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:09:31 AM
I would suggest that using your connections to get your kids somewhere they don't deserve to be otherwise isn't best for them.

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 23, 2024, 09:59:40 AM
Getting paid an NBA salary will always be what's best for him

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:09:31 AM
I would suggest that using your connections to get your kids somewhere they don't deserve to be otherwise isn't best for them.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 23, 2024, 10:12:41 AM
Completely agree with this.  Instead of taking the time to develop his game, he's going into the NBA overmatched with the pressure of everyone looking at him to see if he deserves it or not.  He didn't get thrown into the deep end.  He got thrown into the middle of the Pacific.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 23, 2024, 10:54:25 AM
Having the Jameses and the Griffeys get a picture together is funny.  3 of the 4 people in that picture were worthy of being called a professional athlete.  The 4th was just someone's son.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 22, 2024, 10:36:11 PM
The Bronny hype and the Bronny hate are both entirely stupid.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 23, 2024, 10:54:25 AM
Having the Jameses and the Griffeys get a picture together is funny.  3 of the 4 people in that picture were worthy of being called a professional athlete.  The 4th was just someone's son.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:09:31 AM
I would suggest that using your connections to get your kids somewhere they don't deserve to be otherwise isn't best for them.

Quote from: JWags85 on October 23, 2024, 11:14:47 AM
I think now that the draft related fervor is over, the "hate" will be this sort of stuff that is just forced narrative.  Like the check-in for Bronny in the first half was just a nonsense photo op for Lebron.

Jalen Hood Schifino is a 2nd year player with experience who was a top 20 pick, had more minutes and notably better stats than Bronny all preseason...and was a DNP but Bronny got run in the first half.  That wasn't garbage time for a 12th man, that was "make sure Lebron gets his photo op/shine with Bronny in the season opener in case the game gets close again".

Its not hate to say its a silly sideshow at this point to glorify Lebron, especially if they keep manufacturing minutes for Bronny.

That being said, I will admit that JJ ran some really interesting sets and had some really cool motion concepts in the Laker offense.

Quote from: Pakuni on October 23, 2024, 12:42:12 PM
It's insane the number and loudness of people who are legitimately upset about this. Why? It's meaningless. It's getting bothered for the sake of getting bothered.
It's akin to people getting mad every time the camera shows Taylor Swift during a Chiefs game. Different subject, same energy.
I know I shouldn't be in the business of judging what people should and should not  be upset about, but if this is something you're upset about, you probably are too online.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 12:59:13 PM
People are "upset about this" because a lot of them do not like Lebron James for a plethora of reasons.  They believe this has nothing to do with Bronny, but instead is all about Lebron.   If I'm not mistaken he has been talking about playing with his son in the NBA for the past 5 years.  It's also worth noting that  Bronny being a McD AA may have had something to do with Lebron and not his basketball skills.

In my opinion, people are also "upset" because Lebron and the media are trying to insult their intelligence.   People are sick of being hoodwinked in general Pakuni, and this doesn't help. If the Lakers, Lebron , and sycophants  were just straight with the public no one would give a S.   Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's not remotely "insane" that this bothers some people. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 12:59:13 PM
People are sick of being hoodwinked in general

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 01:02:50 PM
A lot of people also really like Lebron. If it didn't drive eyeballs, ESPN wouldn't be so into it.

If you don't like it, don't pay attention to it. It's not hard.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 01:44:01 PM
Stop lecturing people. 

Quote from: Pakuni on October 23, 2024, 12:42:12 PM
It's insane the number and loudness of people who are legitimately upset about this. Why? It's meaningless. It's getting bothered for the sake of getting bothered.
It's akin to people getting mad every time the camera shows Taylor Swift during a Chiefs game. Different subject, same energy.
I know I shouldn't be in the business of judging what people should and should not  be upset about, but if this is something you're upset about, you probably are too online.

Quote from: JWags85 on October 23, 2024, 02:10:35 PM
There are some people who are legit enraged about this.  And unless they are doing it for clicks or engagement...they need to smoke some grass.

Quote from: tower912 on October 23, 2024, 04:41:29 PM
A player in the GOAT discussion pulled some strings in order to play NBA games with his son.    History was made.   Cool.   Now, on to the rest of the season.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 06:39:47 PM
I agree about focusing on  the season but it's perfectly fine for people not to think it's cool.

Quote from: forgetful on October 23, 2024, 08:09:16 PM
Also, it's ok for people to think it is a BS story and not worthy of the hype. Bronny is not an NBA caliber player. Saying history was made, suggests it was a legit father/son playing together.

What occurred really isn't different than the Warriors signing Dell Curry to a bench role, and having Steph and him sign in to the game together in a blowout. That would be stupid, and not history, which is why the Warriors and the Curry's would never do it.

Quote from: forgetful on October 23, 2024, 08:09:16 PM
Also, it's ok for people to think it is a BS story and not worthy of the hype. Bronny is not an NBA caliber player. Saying history was made, suggests it was a legit father/son playing together.

What occurred really isn't different than the Warriors signing Dell Curry to a bench role, and having Steph and him sign in to the game together in a blowout. That would be stupid, and not history, which is why the Warriors and the Curry's would never do it.

In the end, I personally don't care. To me it reflects poorly on LeBron who forces all this hype, and it is unfair to Bronny who ends up taking on haters, because his dad wanted a publicity shoot.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:24:28 PM
That's really not a good comparison at all.  Dell Curry retired in 2002 when Steph was 14 years old.  Him coming out of retirement 8 years later is a lot different than Bronny being a G-League level player who checked into an NBA game with his dad.

Do people not remember what a wash-out Ken Griffey, Sr. was when he played for the Mariners?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 08:30:44 PM
In all seriousness how many guys that are 6'2 or shorter are on an NBA roster with Bronny's skill set?  Now the kid is only 20.  He has time to get way better and perhaps make an NBA team but we're not talking about someone with a crazy upside.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:44:31 PM
He's way better than a 45 year old Dell Curry would have been.  Ole Dell was well over the hill at the end of his career as it was.

It was just a silly comparison.

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 23, 2024, 09:04:27 PM
Bucks fans don't really have to look too far for a comparison. It's basically like the Bucks having Thanasis the last few years. At the end of the day, the last player on an NBA bench isn't too big of a deal. If it keeps the best player happy, that's probably worth it.

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 23, 2024, 09:04:27 PM
Bucks fans don't really have to look too far for a comparison. It's basically like the Bucks having Thanasis the last few years. At the end of the day, the last player on an NBA bench isn't too big of a deal. If it keeps the best player happy, that's probably worth it.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:44:31 PM
He's way better than a 45 year old Dell Curry would have been.  Ole Dell was well over the hill at the end of his career as it was.

It was just a silly comparison.

Quote from: forgetful on October 23, 2024, 09:34:19 PM
I think almost everyone generally agrees with that (even though as Wags points out Thanasis was a legit prospect). People get annoyed by the media making a big deal about this when it's just an orchestrated charade for publicity.

It's not, both would have been players that shouldn't be in the NBA and that would only be in the NBA for publicity, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Also, Ole Dell at the end of his career was still significantly better than Bronny. Dell even in his old age still had a marketable skill, shooting. Bronny doesn't have any NBA level skills.

You are just disagreeing to be disagreeable.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 23, 2024, 08:24:28 PM
Do people not remember what a wash-out Ken Griffey, Sr. was when he played for the Mariners?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 10:10:01 PM
What exactly is "The Wall" at Intuit dome?  Just a section with one exit and staircase?

Quote from: CTWarrior on October 24, 2024, 07:19:39 AM
Couldn't let this slide.
They don't remember it because he wasn't a washout.  He slashed .327/.404/.457 with the Mariners (134+ OPS).  Didn't play a ton (only 188 PA), but when he did, he was very good.  He was certainly much better at baseball then than Bronny James is at basketball now.

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on October 24, 2024, 01:01:51 AM
Edey fouls out in 15 mins

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 23, 2024, 10:16:13 PM
Huge game for LeMelo.  34, 11, and 8.

Quote from: Its DJOver on October 24, 2024, 12:04:17 PM
https://x.com/Bucks/status/1849483582185873521?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Anyone else getting tired of all the blue recently? Feels very forced at this point.

Quote from: JWags85 on October 24, 2024, 08:58:30 AM
Edey fouled out once his entire college career and fouls out in 15 min in his first NBA game with an extra foul no less.  Maybe the claims of him getting an EXTREMELY favorable whistle in college were a bit true...

This will probably help balance out the Edey narratives.  It went from him never being an NBA contributor to people suddenly thinking his was Hakeem 2.0 cause he had a pretty good preseason stretch offensively to his flaws being highlighted quickly.  Not just the fouls, Will Hardy and the Jazz did a masterful job pulling him out of the paint and stranding him where they could get over the top/behind him and negate his length.

Interestingly, the Grizzlies essentially replaced Steven Adams with Edey but Adams is what they need at the 5 (given their other pieces) and the kind of player that Edey won't ever be athletically.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 24, 2024, 01:08:16 PM
I think Edey def got some favorable whistles. To me it was even more when he played offense.

But as jarring as game 1 was, a key is also he was obviously going against bigger, stronger, older and better athletes.

Quote from: MUBBau on October 24, 2024, 11:06:42 PM
When does the Jokic leaving Denver discourse start or is that reserved for just Giannis?

Quote from: MUBBau on October 24, 2024, 11:06:42 PM
When does the Jokic leaving Denver discourse start or is that reserved for just Giannis?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 24, 2024, 11:17:10 PM
It will start relatively soon.  OKC and Dallas are much better teams.  OKC also has Hartenstein and two other rotational players out.  SGA is  rather impressive. 

They're also blowing out Denver on the road and are 8-34 from distance.

Quote from: Its DJOver on October 24, 2024, 12:04:17 PM
https://x.com/Bucks/status/1849483582185873521?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Anyone else getting tired of all the blue recently? Feels very forced at this point.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2024, 08:53:40 PM
How concerning is it that the Bucks have allowed 102 pts at the end of 3Q to the Chicago Bulls?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2024, 09:32:53 PM
I would be a little concerned if was Bucks management.  Doesn't matter if it's the 2nd game of the season.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 25, 2024, 09:36:39 PM
Knicks, Bucks, Nuggets should just cancel the rest of their seasons.

Hell, everyone's chasing the C's. NBA should just cease to exist until some of these contracts expire for them.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2024, 09:39:47 PM
This is an overraction.  Concerm about the Bucks is not based on last season.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 25, 2024, 09:41:18 PM
They were the 3 seed and took the Pacers, an Eastern Conference Finalist, to 6 without Giannis and with Dame missing 2 games.

They're not as good as the C's. Nobody is. But they're good enough to win a title if things fall right for them. And if they have more injuries in the post season, they might lose in the first round again.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2024, 09:45:09 PM
They haven't been good defensively for some time.  If you allow 130+ points at home, to a team that is bad and in tank mode,, it should raise a few eyebrows.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 25, 2024, 09:52:42 PM
The C's lost back to back games to the Hawks last year. They lost to the Hornets last year. They probably should've blown up the roster. Clearly they weren't going anywhere.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2024, 09:45:09 PM
They haven't been good defensively for some time.  If you allow 130+ points at home, to a team that is bad and in tank mode,, it should raise a few eyebrows. 

Quote from: wadesworld on October 25, 2024, 09:52:42 PM
The C's lost back to back games to the Hawks last year. They lost to the Hornets last year. They probably should've blown up the roster. Clearly they weren't going anywhere.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 25, 2024, 08:53:40 PM
How concerning is it that the Bucks have allowed 102 pts at the end of 3Q to the Chicago Bulls?

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 26, 2024, 06:16:39 AM
We're doing this again this season?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 26, 2024, 08:54:15 AM
I was just throwing it out there.  It seems to me they can't do much if they can't guard anyone.

Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2024, 07:35:52 PM
You're overreacting to one game.

Quote from: jesmu84 on October 27, 2024, 05:40:39 PM
The Ronaldo statue thinks the Wade statue looks horrible

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 27, 2024, 07:16:41 PM
Bucks down 15 in the 4th to a team most people couldn't name a single player on their roster.  Rivers might not make it to Dec?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 27, 2024, 07:16:41 PM
Bucks down 15 in the 4th to a team most people couldn't name a single player on their roster.  Rivers might not make it to Dec?

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 27, 2024, 07:17:56 PM
Rumors are the Bucks season is goign to be cancelled and the team contracted

Wonder if MU will be able to keep Fiserv

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 27, 2024, 07:16:41 PM
Bucks down 15 in the 4th to a team most people couldn't name a single player on their roster.  Rivers might not make it to Dec?

Quote from: MUfan12 on October 27, 2024, 07:27:45 PM
They're not going to fire another coach midseason.

This is gonna sound hot takey... But 34 has to get on board. His effort level and focus over three games has not been good. At all. I was able to sit very close on Friday and it was noticable. Tonight has been worse.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 27, 2024, 07:31:52 PM
Well....I'll just say they have severe probs.  And the fact thaf it's only 3 games is irrelevant when you consider their opponents thus far.

Quote from: BM1090 on October 27, 2024, 11:10:09 PM
There are real concerns. Being 1-2 isn't one of them, even with the two losses being to non-contenders.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2024, 07:51:05 AM
Da entire roster is a joke. Peddle der asses fore sum old Chuck Taylors, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2024, 07:51:05 AM
Da entire roster is a joke. Peddle der asses fore sum old Chuck Taylors, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2024, 01:49:37 PM
Clearly, Middleton and Lopez are fully baked. Pat C. and Portis are decent complementary players, but won't win you any championships. As for the rest of the bench...virtually no one would be valued by any playoff contender. That leaves #34 and #0. Lillard needs to be the alpha dog, but he, too, is long in the tooth...a bad fit here.
That leaves Giannis, who is clearly on the upside of the hill, but between injuries, load management, and age, doesn't give you the bang for the buck.

Solution...trade Giannis, Lillard, Pat C. And Portis...blow the roster up and just over, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2024, 01:26:19 PM
Nah, dat wuz just #34.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 28, 2024, 02:07:45 PM
You think Pat Connaughton has more trade value than Brook Lopez?

I think that says all anybody needs to know.  #ballknower

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2024, 02:18:41 PM
Dude, the game has changed. Lopez slows you down to almost a walk and can't get off his feet to protect the rim...aka next to worthless in today's Association game, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 28, 2024, 02:18:41 PM


Dude, the game has changed. Lopez slows you down to almost a walk and can't get off his feet to protect the rim...aka next to worthless in today's Association game, hey?

Quote from: MUfan12 on October 28, 2024, 02:25:04 PM
Brook had six blocks in the opener and three last night.

Quote from: Goose on October 28, 2024, 02:27:42 PM
Doc,

I think the Bucks are in for a long season. Old players and a below average coach does not make me very optimistic about the season. Sadly, the trade Giannis talk is likely to grow on the national scene as the season progresses. I have not thrown in the towel but hopes of multiple titles in Giannis era are starting to fade way for me.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 28, 2024, 02:46:38 PM

Unless he asks for it, and REALLY pushes for it, I don't think there is any way. He hasn't even started the extension he signed last year which takes him through 2026-27 - with a player option for 2027-28.

Now I could see them trading Dame this year, or more likely in the off-season, since he will have one year remaining.

Quote from: GB Warrior on October 28, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
Any player option is non-existent save for catastrophic injury/skills degradation. Even then, Durant had no problems getting a max deal. The voices get very very loud if struggles continue, but nothing really matters til they can see this squad at full strength with Khris back.

Their age gives them little margin for error as the bench has somehow been worse (very small sample size) than last year's.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 28, 2024, 03:59:48 PM
Right. My point is that Giannis is de facto under contract for two more years after this one. And I can't imagine the Bucks tearing it all down now and trading him.

Dame? Maybe. But my guess is that it wouldn't be until the off-season at the earliest.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 28, 2024, 07:50:41 PM
Banchero is going bananas through 3 Q's.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2024, 08:14:32 PM

*2

Not sure hes made a shot in the 2nd half.

Loads of assists tonight to though

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 28, 2024, 08:24:00 PM
I just see he has 41, 10, and 9.  He must have had a Gargantuan 1st half.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2024, 08:32:24 PM
37 in 1st half

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 28, 2024, 08:52:57 PM
Ty.  But 50, 13, and 9 is still acceptable.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2024, 08:57:00 PM
How about the Bucks being 1-3 now?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2024, 09:01:43 AMhttps://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-giannis-antetokounmpos-bucks-future-is-being-called-into-question-amid-ugly-start-teams-are-circling/

Quote from: MUfan12 on October 31, 2024, 09:43:14 AMRinse, repeat.

I know what the optics look like, but if these first few games are glimpse of what Giannis will look like post-30, you almost have to make the move if things continue to go south.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2024, 09:01:43 AMhttps://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-giannis-antetokounmpos-bucks-future-is-being-called-into-question-amid-ugly-start-teams-are-circling/

Doc Rivers is a terrible coach and franchise killer

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2024, 10:56:06 AMYeah, but #34 picked AG, hey?

Quote from: JWags85 on October 31, 2024, 11:53:40 AMEspecially brutal cause the Cavs went and got Kenny Atkinson, a guy who is a known name and got a raw deal in Brooklyn, and he's completely morphed them into an offensive juggernaut.

• DJ Wilson at 17
• Sterling Brown at 46
• Donte DiVincenzo at 17
• Jordan Nwora at 45
• Sandro Mamukelashvili at 54
• Georgios Kalaitzakis at 60
• MarJon Beauchamp at 24
• Andre Jackson Jr. at 36
• Chris Livingston at 58
• AJ Johnson at 23
• Tyler Smith at 33

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2024, 01:53:14 PMWhat happened, dude? Ball knower changin' his Bucks opinion, hey?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2024, 03:09:35 PMThat Doc Rivers sucks?  We knew that before he got hired

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 31, 2024, 07:25:12 PM1-4 if they lose to Memphis tonight.  Would you show him the door by Thanksgiving?  Sooner?  :)  I was just curious.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2024, 07:29:28 PMPeddle his azz for a used BIKE tonite, aina?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 31, 2024, 08:11:11 PMI guess the Bucks clamped down in the 2Q by only allowing 30.  70-48 Memphis at the half.  Morant has 21, 8, and 9. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2024, 08:48:46 PMPaolo Banchero out 4-6 weeks with torn oblique

Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 31, 2024, 08:59:22 PMNever seen Pippen's kid play before. Not bad.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 31, 2024, 08:59:22 PMNever seen Pippen's kid play before. Not bad.

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 31, 2024, 07:25:12 PM1-4 if they lose to Memphis tonight.  Would you show him the door by Thanksgiving?  Sooner?  :)  I was just curious.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 01, 2024, 07:31:31 AMhere we are at 1-4 wow!  they miss jrue...hey rumors of he and sydney canoodling, not wicks


https://www.totalprosports.com/nba/wild-rumor-involving-nba-star-jrue-holiday-and-hollywood-actress-sydney-sweeney-has-the-entire-internet-losing-their-minds/

Quote from: wadesworld on November 01, 2024, 04:47:49 PMAlso, moving on from Bud was the wrong move (the Suns look very good right now), but I understood it.  His lack of adjustments against a team the Bucks should've absolutely beat was awful (but he was also going through the death of his brother, so some of it is explainable, but when you have title expectations you have little rope to work with).  Hiring AG was an awful decision.  But even that you can recover from.  The biggest problem was firing him midseason, or, if you're going to do that, not just giving Prunty the interim coach position he's made for.  Replacing him midseason limited the coaching candidates to Doc Rivers and Terry Stotts, who had just quit the organization a couple months earlier.  If you wait until the offseason you can hire the best guy, not the available guy.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 01, 2024, 10:39:21 PMIt's time for Westbrook to retire.

Quote from: GB Warrior on November 02, 2024, 09:39:17 PMI've seen enough. Bucks need to blow it up.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 02, 2024, 09:48:05 PMThey lost again???  How would you deal with this catastrophic situation?  1-5 is 1-5. 

Quote from: wadesworld on November 02, 2024, 10:10:09 PMI'd move the team to Seattle, personally.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 02, 2024, 10:56:44 PMIs there any way they can right the ship?  Or are we looking at death?  A bad Bucks team does not help MU. 

Quote from: wadesworld on November 02, 2024, 11:04:56 PMNone. Deader than dead. Ship them to Seattle, close MU's doors, and hope Concordia Mequon can house all the students running for safety.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 02, 2024, 11:35:46 PMEmbiid apparently shoved a columnist in the 76ers locker room. 

Quote from: MUBurrow on November 02, 2024, 11:49:39 PMSounds like the columnist had it coming and then some from how espn is reporting it.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 02, 2024, 11:04:56 PMNone. Deader than dead. Ship them to Seattle, close MU's doors, and hope Concordia Mequon can house all the students running for safety.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 05:21:20 AMDid he do more than write a tasteless article?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 05:21:20 AMDid he do more than write a tasteless article?

QuoteEmbiid later said he doesn't care what reporters say. "But you do," Hayes answered.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 02, 2024, 11:35:46 PMEmbiid apparently shoved a columnist in the 76ers locker room. 

Quote from: MUBurrow on November 03, 2024, 09:33:23 AMEmbiid pushed him and said "The next time you bring up my dead brother and my son again, you are going to see what I'm going to do to you and I'm going to have to ... live with the consequences."  That's fine to my subjective ledger. 

But if you needed any more of a measure of this guy, it was this:
Hayes is a troll and is using Embiid's family to get a rise out of him. He deserves a punch in the face.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 12:00:39 PMNope. Freedom of the press exists. Freedoms to shove a reporter in retaliation does not.

Quote from: forgetful on November 03, 2024, 12:31:44 PMIt can be true that freedom of the press exists, and that there is not a legal right to retaliate, and it still be true that Embiid wasn't in the wrong.

You see numerous people congratulating Jason Kelce for the way he reacted to a kid disparaging his brother (no legal right to do so), but attacking Embiid here. Both illegally lashed out at a person, Kelce against a kid, one gets defended and the other condemned?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 12:41:02 PMDid Kelce issue a threat?

Quote from: Pakuni on November 03, 2024, 12:49:37 PMA 280+ pound former NFL player ripping a phone from your hands and smashing it on the ground, then getting in your face would seem pretty threatening to most people.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 12:51:30 PMSo he didn't expressly issue a threat like Embiid did. Thanks for the confirmation.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 12:51:30 PMSo he didn't expressly issue a threat like Embiid did. Thanks for the confirmation.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 03, 2024, 01:00:26 PMActing in a threatening manner is fine, as long as you keep your mouth shut?
You're splitting hairs that don't exist.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 03, 2024, 01:00:26 PMActing in a threatening manner is fine, as long as you keep your mouth shut?

Quote from: forgetful on November 03, 2024, 01:04:18 PMThe correct response, was both actions were fine, or both were wrong.

Quote from: forgetful on November 03, 2024, 01:04:18 PMI could possibly see someone saying that Kelce's action was more egregious because it involved a kid

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 03, 2024, 01:16:27 PMAn immediate action, versus one that was more premeditated and came along with a verbal threat, are different things.

Both may be illegal no doubt, but I'm going to have more sympathy for the former rather than the latter.


No. Because they are different as I outlined above.


I don't believe a child was involved, but I could be wrong.

Quote from: forgetful on November 03, 2024, 01:29:51 PMIt was a young college kid. I call them kids, the other was a full grown adult and professional. But as I already indicated, I don't nitpick on those aspects.

Your stance is frankly not very justifiable. If anything, Kelce's actions were worse (assault, destruction of personal property, and also used the same slur at the kid saying "who's the f----t now" after he smashed the phone). If he wasn't rich and famous he'd be tried and convicted. Embiid would not be tried and convicted of anything.

But you be you.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 04, 2024, 08:11:36 PMBucks up 8 with 6 minutes left. Cavs close the game on 18-5 run (outside of irrelevant buzzer beater).

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 04, 2024, 09:10:58 PMDismiss him immediately?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 04, 2024, 09:15:07 PMDoc? Do the owners want to write him an eight figure check?

Quote from: BM1090 on November 05, 2024, 04:23:34 PMSome promising signs for the Bucks the last two games against an undefeated Cleveland team. Schedule is lighter over the next ten besides games against Boston and NY. Keep playing better and get 7-8 wins over the next 10 and all may be okay.

Keep tanking and all is forgotten.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on November 04, 2024, 11:50:49 PMno you didn't

Quote from: MU82 on November 07, 2024, 11:33:24 AMLast night's game proved beyond all doubt that the Warriors are better than the Celtics, who have no shot to repeat as champions.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 07, 2024, 03:49:52 PMBronny to the G League.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 07, 2024, 03:49:52 PMBronny to the G League.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 07, 2024, 01:13:14 PMI think the Celtics were officially eliminated last night.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 07, 2024, 03:54:11 PMOK, your profile pic made me laugh.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 07, 2024, 04:23:19 PMI only wish I could make it smaller. Or involve a piano.

Quote from: Jockey on November 07, 2024, 05:19:21 PMSo you're Anglin' to be the Dukiet of poster?

Lofty aspirations.

Quote from: Pakuni on November 07, 2024, 06:05:10 PMCoach Dukiet had a .613 career winning percentage and won two conference championships. How many conference titles has Canada won?

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 07, 2024, 04:21:27 PMBrown didn't play. 

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2024, 09:38:31 PMI haven't watched them a single second but crazy the Cavs are 9-0 and based off the scores the offense seems to be a wagon.

Looked at their schedule coming up. If they win the home game vs the Warriors they may not lose for a while still. Soft schedule

Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 08, 2024, 09:42:48 AMI've watched most. They are a really fun team to watch and I think will be one of the top teams in the East all year. They're deep. They have a lot of guys who can score. Mobley is playing very well -- continues to get better and get a little stronger -- and he and Allen are pretty effective in the middle. Mitchell is outstanding. Garland is playing very well and hopefully won't have the health issues that he had last year. They are a solid, fun team.

Obviously it's a very good start against a relatively weak schedule so far. But, they are a good team. I expect them to finish near the top of the East. Tonight's game against Golden State will be a good test.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2024, 12:16:17 PMhttps://awfulannouncing.com/espn/brian-windhorst-media-not-great-place.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=bluesky

Interesting read

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 10, 2024, 07:40:09 PMCurry is still absolutely ridiculous.  Where do you slot him all-time? 

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 10, 2024, 07:40:09 PMCurry is still absolutely ridiculous.  Where do you slot him all-time? 

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 10, 2024, 08:05:04 PMI think he's definitely top 100, don't you?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2024, 07:50:23 PM52

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 11, 2024, 07:47:31 AMinteresting. I had him easily top 51.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2024, 07:50:23 PM52

Quote from: WarriorFan on November 11, 2024, 06:20:35 AMDoes anyone else find the NBA difficult to watch this year?  Maybe a couple teams play an interesting style of ball... Cleveland and LA (and I've never been a Lakers fan) and Golden State come to mind - but the rest of the league just bores me.  And the bucks really suck.  I would normally watch a bucks game just because it's the bucks, but this team has no system and no chemistry and is frustrating to watch.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 11, 2024, 07:23:27 PMBTW, Jaylen Brown is 100% right, hey?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 11, 2024, 07:30:26 PMSince you've decided that your only role here now is to simply be a troll, you could at least try to be a clever one.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 11, 2024, 07:30:26 PMSince you've decided that your only role here now is to simply be a troll, you could at least try to be a clever one.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2024, 09:56:41 AMEasy, peasy for ball hogs, aina?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2024, 10:32:41 AMYes, double digit assists are easy for ball hogs

GOAT

Quote from: MU82 on November 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMHe's no Tyler Herro!

Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 12, 2024, 06:42:51 PMUnironically having a great season

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2024, 06:14:22 AMBack-to-back triple-doubles for the goat, LeBron James

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 12, 2024, 08:49:34 PMTonight he had a hell of a game. Hit 3 straight 3s down 9 to send game to OT. Then hit the go ahead shot in OT with 1.1 left

But Heat gave up a inbounds alley oop and then lost on a Technical for calling a TO they didn't have haha

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2024, 11:58:13 AMPop has been out because he had a mild stroke

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 13, 2024, 03:43:25 PMSad to hear that. I wouldn't blame him if he retires. He has earned the right to walk away whenever he wants.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 13, 2024, 07:48:35 PMHe's still a child, aina?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 13, 2024, 07:50:43 PMProbably Chucky Cheese's, aina?

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 13, 2024, 09:52:37 PM59, 14, and 7 is pretty good.  But he doesn't appear to have much help. 

Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 13, 2024, 09:57:02 PMCorrect. His 2 best teammates were out.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 13, 2024, 09:27:00 PMGiannis is the absolute best. Any Bucks "fan" who thinks otherwise is crazy.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2024, 06:05:19 AMThe biggest problem I have with him is, he helped win a title for the Bucks and Milwaukee

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on November 14, 2024, 06:27:11 AMInexcusable!

Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2024, 11:41:43 PMHo-hum ... A third straight triple-double for LeBron.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2024, 07:13:55 AMthere have been murmurs of trading giannis...can't imagine what another team would have to give up and/or what the bucks would be looking to accept if this were to be a remote possibility.  something like a 4 way trade involving multiple players from a number of teams.  not only are the talent evaluators obviously needed here, but accountants and experts on team salary cap aren't far behind

Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 14, 2024, 08:13:16 AMI'm so happy he re-signed with the Cavs; he's a special player.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 14, 2024, 07:54:09 AMHe's only traded if he asks for one. Otherwise you don't trade him until 2026-27 at the earliest because that's the last year you own his rights. (He has a player option for 2027-28.)

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2024, 08:36:53 AMhow do you know he hasn't requested a trade?  oh, because you haven't seen it reported yet...got it.  i forget that you are the direct go between with giannis and the bucks...my bad ::)

i am not by any means saying this is in the works, but if and/or when, it will take A LOT of finagling, moving the chess pieces around the board.  by the time we hear anything, it will be well within the works

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2024, 08:36:53 AMi am not by any means saying this is in the works, but if and/or when, it will take A LOT of finagling, moving the chess pieces around the board.  by the time we hear anything, it will be well within the works

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2024, 08:36:53 AMhow do you know he hasn't requested a trade?  oh, because you haven't seen it reported yet...got it.  i forget that you are the direct go between with giannis and the bucks...my bad ::)

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 14, 2024, 09:08:55 AM??? I don't know he hasn't requested a trade. That is why I used the word "if."

Sometimes I actually respond to you as if you're a serious poster, but then I forget basic English can be a problem for you.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2024, 09:35:06 AMbecause most of the time you are such a D!ck-that's why i posted as such.  little secret-your "lord" complex is unnerving

Quote from: rocket surgeon on November 14, 2024, 09:35:06 AMbecause most of the time you are such a D!ck-that's why i posted as such.  little secret-your "lord" complex is unnerving

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 14, 2024, 09:39:16 AMI see that actual discussion is not possible for you. I will remember that for the future.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2024, 11:06:10 AMhttps://www.tiktok.com/@espn/video/7436594627269922090

Miles McBride is 6'1", 195 lbs and is standing still.  Joel Embiid is 7', 280 lbs. and has a head of steam going forward.  Somehow McBride, standing still, knocks Embiid on his ass.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2024, 11:06:10 AMhttps://www.tiktok.com/@espn/video/7436594627269922090

Miles McBride is 6'1", 195 lbs and is standing still.  Joel Embiid is 7', 280 lbs. and has a head of steam going forward.  Somehow McBride, standing still, knocks Embiid on his ass.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 16, 2024, 05:54:32 PMHornets 115, Bucks 114.  Smh. 

Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 19, 2024, 09:37:36 AMLooking forward to Cavs against the Celtics tonight. Winning in Boston would certainly make a statement.

I'm glad that the Cavs game should be over -- or at least nearly so -- before the MU game.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2024, 07:37:40 PMOr maybe not?

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2024, 07:08:28 PMI just saw the score.  Start the bus.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2024, 08:08:19 PMShocking.

Maybe just enjoy games instead of calling game 3 minutes into basketball games or 1 drive into football games or 1 inning into baseball games.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 20, 2024, 08:17:10 PMThe Bucks have serious probs and I'm not sure they're fixable. 

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 20, 2024, 08:34:50 PMDid you think we forgot you already said something similar a dozen times or so since the season began?

Quote from: BM1090 on November 20, 2024, 08:38:53 PMNot to mention they are actually playing much better.

To be honest, I think trading Dame for a couple of role players could help a lot.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 20, 2024, 09:50:13 PMYeah, like Dame for Herro, Jovic, and Jaime Jaquez Jr. would really help a team.

I still can't believe portland turned down that trade.

Quote from: wadesworld on November 20, 2024, 10:05:48 PM😂😂😂😂

Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 12, 2024, 10:13:23 PMI can't remember the last time Spo unnatural carnal knowledgeed up that bad. Sucks feeling like a Bucks fan for a moment there

Quote from: cheebs09 on November 27, 2024, 10:10:48 AMClearly the NBA Cup is a big motivating factor for the Bucks.

Quote from: Jockey on November 27, 2024, 02:19:18 PMThe Cup is a big deal to the players whether we laugh about it or not

Quote from: Jockey on November 27, 2024, 02:21:08 PMStarted watching Starting 5 on Netflix. Very well done. 

Quote from: JWags85 on November 27, 2024, 09:38:26 PMIts great but the selections could be a bit better. 

Not trying to be a hater but the last thing we need is more Lebron content, especially this kind of heavily curated content.

Tatum is just a tremendously boring dude, Ive always thought so.

Sabonis has an interesting story, so that makes him a bit compelling I guess.

But Ant is a perfect selection.  Beyond our biases, Jimmy is just a quirky engaging dude who is perfect for stuff like this.  So those two save it for me.

Quote from: Jockey on November 27, 2024, 10:59:39 PMI thought the contrasts were what made the show.

Two openly cocky, brash guys along with two guys who quietly know they're the best. Other than Sabonis, all guys who have or can lead a team to a title.

Jimmy is a real lead dog. Trade Durant to Miami and they can win a title that Durant will never get as a lead dog even though he is a way better player. Jimmy is a different type of player, but comparable to Draymond in his prime where he is in total charge on the floor.

Ant is also a dog who can lead a team. And Lebron and Tatum have already done it.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 07:01:11 PMMiddleton finally returns and Sam steps under him on his second jumper after surgeries on both ankles.

Also, Sam...give it up man. Time to get the clippers out.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 07:28:13 PMJefferson and (particularly) Burke openly rooting for the C's is so annoying. We get it. You love the Jays. You love Mazzula. You think Giannis pushes off. When you have to say, "Now I'm not cheering..." you should probably back off if you're calling a nationally televised game.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2024, 07:01:11 PMAlso, Sam...give it up man. Time to get the clippers out.

Quote from: JWags85 on December 06, 2024, 08:13:09 PMHad the same thought watching Huff on the Grizzlies the other night.  Hair transplants are incredible these days, especially if you're making comfortably in the 7 figures each year.  But if not that, then go Caruso on the dome.  Cause it just looks sad

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 11, 2024, 08:57:22 PMDoes Marquette have a Turkish scout?  Alperen Sengun has serious game. 

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 08:58:54 PMWe did, but he was blown up by the drone.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 11, 2024, 09:04:26 PMHe wouldn't be a target.  Nevertheless, we're not prepared for potential threats. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 11, 2024, 09:40:33 PMThis Houston team is fun.  And young. 

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 06:10:37 PMBucks advance to NBA cup Finals!  Whoohooo!

Quote from: Jockey on December 14, 2024, 11:26:04 PMI understand the sentiment but isn't it nice to see teams play this hard in mid-December?

Quote from: Jockey on December 14, 2024, 11:26:04 PMI understand the sentiment but isn't it nice to see teams play this hard in mid-December?

Quote from: BM1090 on December 15, 2024, 12:03:40 AMYeah I think it's pretty clear in 5-10 years the nba cup will be a big deal. It's been a success. Last year a lot of teams half assed it but the competitiveness is noticeably higher this year.

Quote from: BM1090 on December 15, 2024, 12:03:40 AMYeah I think it's pretty clear in 5-10 years the nba cup will be a big deal. It's been a success. Last year a lot of teams half assed it but the competitiveness is noticeably higher this year.

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 16, 2024, 09:50:45 AMOne thing they should do is instead of City uniforms and wild-ass court designs, make the Cup games throwback nights. They'd sell a crapload of merchandise and it'd be much more visually appealing.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 16, 2024, 09:53:19 AMI don't think that's the image they want for this tournament.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 16, 2024, 08:44:56 AMI'll take the opposite view and say the NBA Cup will not exist in 5-10 years based on the lack of fan and media interest. I listen to NBA radio frequently during my commute and haven't heard any chatter and ESPN's NBA page has no stories on it.

But maybe I'm wrong, just one fans opinion.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 16, 2024, 10:15:16 AMIt is really just a way to draw attention during the early part of the season. Only the two teams in the championship game play an extra game - everything else is folded into the regular season.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2024, 06:03:57 PMMiddleton probably woke up yesterday and coughed one time and will be out through the new year.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2024, 06:03:57 PMMiddleton probably woke up yesterday and coughed one time and will be out through the new year.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2024, 09:37:38 PMThis trash game isn't going to win over new people to the NBA cup.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2024, 09:37:38 PMThis trash game isn't going to win over new people to the NBA cup.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 20, 2024, 09:27:32 AMThe NBA ratings may be down but they signed this huge new deal.  That said, it seems like Silver will be continuing to tinker with the product.  Last night in the Bulls/Celtics game 108 triples and they made 33.  This isn't particularly watchable.  I don't have the answer but I could see them changing the restricted area. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2024, 09:36:45 AMI'd like them to add handguns

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 20, 2024, 09:27:32 AMThe NBA ratings may be down but they signed this huge new deal.  That said, it seems like Silver will be continuing to tinker with the product.  Last night in the Bulls/Celtics game 108 triples and they made 33.  This isn't particularly watchable.  I don't have the answer but I could see them changing the restricted area. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2024, 09:36:45 AMI'd like them to add handguns

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 10:47:44 AMBarkley thinks the NBA "needs to change something".  He mostly mentioned too many threes with Dan Patrick and didn't seem to have any real solutions.  He just mentioned the poor ratings.

He also stated that he bets $25,000 a hand playing blackjack and this could include two hands.  I believe he stated he lost 25 million over the years gambling a year or so ago.  This is astonishing to me.  He clearly needs help.  Does he not understand you can't win over time?  I don't care how much his net worth is this is total insanity. 

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 21, 2024, 10:53:48 AMI love Barkley, but he's too much a part of the "things were better in my day" thinking. Do people really think that the reason ratings are down is because of the lack of mid-range?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 21, 2024, 11:01:02 AMNah, no one wants to watch 2 teams running up and down the court tossing up a bunch of threes after maybe 1 pass and hitting 33% of these shots. Too many meaningless games and the stars people pay big money to watch, may or may not play that night. Time outs are like a 3 ring circus where you don't know what to look at first. Oh, and the concessions suck, aina?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 21, 2024, 11:04:24 AMShooting's better than it's ever been.

I said above that it's a star issue. Not a game issue.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 21, 2024, 11:55:23 AMAnd I opined as well, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 21, 2024, 12:19:22 PMWizard, So sorry to rattle your cage, hey?

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 21, 2024, 12:26:40 PMWierd.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 21, 2024, 11:01:02 AMNah, no one wants to watch 2 teams running up and down the court tossing up a bunch of threes after maybe 1 pass and hitting 33% of these shots. Too many meaningless games and the stars people pay big money to watch, may or may not play that night. Time outs are like a 3 ring circus where you don't know what to look at first. Oh, and the concessions suck, aina?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 26, 2024, 10:15:36 AMI actually agree with some of this to a degree.  Watching three point shooting competitions is pretty boring.  I understand that we have drawn all of the efficiency out of the game that we can with the current rule set.

Maybe the solution is to change the rules again.  Move the 3 line out further, make a shooting foul be the points plus two shot.  That'd incentivize more interior work, and disincentivize the three ball, plus there would be less fouls on drives to take away the easy buckets.

I dunno, just spitballin here.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 26, 2024, 08:21:04 PMI love watching the NBA. I don't know why some people prefer watching people who are worse at making baskets (the point of basketball) than those that are better at it. Would much rather watch a random Thunder vs. Spurs game than a random Wisconsin vs. Ohio State game.

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 26, 2024, 08:41:53 PMThe volume of threes doesn't bother me a ton. It does irk me when guys pass up a layup to kick out to the arc, but that's not terribly common.

The foul grifting and inconsistent officiating are what make me change the channel most nights.

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 26, 2024, 08:41:53 PMThe volume of threes doesn't bother me a ton. It does irk me when guys pass up a layup to kick out to the arc, but that's not terribly common.

The foul grifting and inconsistent officiating are what make me change the channel most nights.

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 26, 2024, 09:03:28 PMI'm interested to see how this Jimmy Butler trade situation plays out. Not sure if Riley is trying to drive up the price or really means that they won't trade him.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 27, 2024, 05:14:14 PMKings fire Mike Brown months after giving him an extension.

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 27, 2024, 10:43:16 PMA lot of coaches around the league pretty public in support of Brown. No doubt he's a good guy, but I think the real subtext to that support is the implicit (and in some cases explicit) lack of respect for Randadive.

Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 09:13:56 AMThe best team in the NBA just held the defending champions to 27 second-half points. The Thunder forced more turnovers in the second half (10) than they allowed made shots (8).

And OKC has won 15 straight games, all without one of its best players.

The Celtics, starting with their home loss to the Bulls on Dec. 19, have lost 5 of their last 10 games.

Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2025, 10:08:42 AMI'm looking forward to the coming games between the Cavs and the Thunder in the next week or so. As a Cavs fan, maybe I shouldn't be.

Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 01:43:58 PMGame is Wednesday (ESPN, 7 ET).

Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 09:23:16 AMPistons have won 7 of 8.  Truly bizarro world in Motown right now.  Throw in what the Tigers did last fall...

Quote from: cheebs09 on January 06, 2025, 03:10:52 PMBucks showing interest in Jimmy. Bring him home. #onlyhalfserious

Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2025, 03:21:35 PMPass.  Although Dame's the only contract that works, so fine, I guess.

Quote from: MUfan12 on January 06, 2025, 03:25:05 PMI loved Dame when he was in Portland. It sucks that it hasn't worked, and it's not entirely his fault.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2025, 03:41:17 PMTurns out 5'9" guards who don't even pretend to be interested in defense don't really help you win titles.  And 35 footers are fun to see go in, but when you shoot them regularly they're not really efficient shots.

Quote from: MUfan12 on January 06, 2025, 03:45:29 PMIt's not just that. He's actually been better than I expected this season on defense. For the whole thing to work at its best, Giannis needed to be a much better screener/roll man than he has been. Since that hasn't been effective, it's a lot of "my turn, your turn" and the offense grinds.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2025, 03:41:17 PMTurns out 5'9" guards who don't even pretend to be interested in defense don't really help you win titles.  And 35 footers are fun to see go in, but when you shoot them regularly they're not really efficient shots.

Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2025, 01:43:58 PMGame is Wednesday (ESPN, 7 ET). Your Cavs are damn good, too!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2025, 07:41:45 PMBradley power sawing Indiana State.

Wardle's boys know how to play defense and play anti-rectal ball

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2025, 07:41:45 PMBradley power sawing Indiana State.

Wardle's boys know how to play defense and play anti-rectal ball

Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2025, 07:47:25 PMGetting soft.

Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 08, 2025, 08:46:13 PMWell, that was fun. Cavs take round one by seven. Great game.

Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 17, 2025, 10:36:36 AMWell, that was less fun. Thunder dominate Cavs by 20 to take round two (and it wasn't nearly that close). Horrible game.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 18, 2025, 05:42:09 PMIf I'm not mistaken, we are a week out (or so) from the trade deadline in the NBA; who do the Bulls move? LaVine and Vucevic have been on the trade bock since the summer, but I'm not sure if any team wants them.

Ball is interesting option to move. They would be smart to get something for him before he gets injured again. 

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 18, 2025, 08:55:21 PMLavine has played well enough where he's not a complete anchor in a trade. But the Bulls have not been able to pick a lane

Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2025, 07:13:18 PMHopefully Beal bails Horst out and does not waive his no trade clause in any deal to Milwaukee. No idea why the Bucks are so enamored with Beal, especially once they got Dame.

Quote from: cheebs09 on January 21, 2025, 08:04:27 PMThat contract would be awful. Only way it makes sense is getting a boatload of picks with it.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 21, 2025, 07:13:18 PMHopefully Beal bails Horst out and does not waive his no trade clause in any deal to Milwaukee. No idea why the Bucks are so enamored with Beal, especially once they got Dame.

Quote from: cheebs09 on January 21, 2025, 08:04:27 PMThat contract would be awful. Only way it makes sense is getting a boatload of picks with it.

Quote from: MU82 on January 24, 2025, 09:28:40 AMLast night, Jokic had 35 points, 22 rebounds and 17 assists - surpassing the totals I amassed in 4 years of Marquette intramural basketball.

I sent that to one of my MU teammates, who responded: "Yeah, and he surpassed it by 34 points, 21 rebounds and 16 assists."

Quote from: JWags85 on January 27, 2025, 07:49:31 PMThis was a couple days ago when the Bucks had a bit of travel issues, but just awesome stuff from Giannis

https://x.com/redapples/status/1882806420040814608?s=46 (https://x.com/redapples/status/1882806420040814608?s=46)

Amazing that despite being insanely successful, insanely wealthy, and having some deserved NBA diva characteristics pop up from here and there, that background from nothing still plays strong in who he is

Quote from: JWags85 on January 27, 2025, 07:49:31 PMThis was a couple days ago when the Bucks had a bit of travel issues, but just awesome stuff from Giannis

https://x.com/redapples/status/1882806420040814608?s=46 (https://x.com/redapples/status/1882806420040814608?s=46)

Amazing that despite being insanely successful, insanely wealthy, and having some deserved NBA diva characteristics pop up from here and there, that background from nothing still plays strong in who he is

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 27, 2025, 07:52:21 PMI don't know what his future holds or if he finishes in Milwaukee, but what a joy he is.

Quote from: JWags85 on January 27, 2025, 09:37:16 PMI have a hunch that he doesn't finish his career here.  I don't necessarily think he runs to the Lakers or the Heat, but I think he wants to chase another ring once the window closes in Milwaukee shortly (also wouldn't be surprised to see him do a victory tour for a season or two at Panathinaikos in his late 30s.

But if and when he does, there better be not a single ounce of bitterness or angst amongst the fanbase.  There will be, but he's already shown his loyalty when many others wouldn't have and brought a long awaited ring while being the best to ever put on the Bucks uniform (yes Kareem has a better overall career, but Giannis' Bucks accomplishments and career>>>Kareem's Bucks career, though its close.  If not for Jokic, Giannis probably has a 3rd MVP and its a no brainer).  He'll get a statue but he should have bulletproof adoration.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 28, 2025, 09:16:59 AMit's nice to see that people are starting to realize Jimmy Butler is the problem, not the teams he's played for. My wife and I went to a Minnesota road game to see Jimmy play and instead we watched him taunting his teammates while sitting behind the bench.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43587920/jimmy-butler-line-dysfunction-infamous-practices-six-all-star-games

Quote from: Jockey on January 28, 2025, 10:42:38 AMThis "people" has been saying it for years. He is a selfish cancer. Full stop.

And make no mistake - he would be universally hated here on Scoop if he hadn't played for MU.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 28, 2025, 09:16:59 AMit's nice to see that people are starting to realize Jimmy Butler is the problem, not the teams he's played for. My wife and I went to a Minnesota road game to see Jimmy play and instead we watched him taunting his teammates while sitting behind the bench.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43587920/jimmy-butler-line-dysfunction-infamous-practices-six-all-star-games

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 10:51:46 AMGiannis is soft, could use Jimmy to give him an edge.

Quote from: Jockey on January 28, 2025, 10:42:38 AMAnd make no mistake - he would be universally hated here on Scoop if he hadn't played for MU.

Quote from: JWags85 on January 28, 2025, 11:52:02 AMNo he wouldn't, don't be dramatic.  He's nowhere near close to universally hated in the NBA writ large and wouldn't be high on the list of disliked players like Dillon Brooks or Draymond.  Its been 7 years since he was a "cancer" who forced himself out of Minnesota and in that time he had no issues in Philly and was a star who elevated the Heat well beyond themselves.  He's polarizing but plenty of people like him, from fans to those affiliated with the league (see Windhorst's fair assessment of the situation today).  You don't care for him, you've been vocal about it, and that's fine.  But its not some codified truth

Quote from: Jockey on January 28, 2025, 12:53:33 PMI still disagree. He is a symbol of what is wrong with the NBA.

Forced his way out of Chicago. Forced his way out of Minny. Forced his way out of Philly. Forcing his way out of Miami.

Jimmy is a me, me, me guy.

Quote from: JWags85 on January 28, 2025, 02:06:43 PMHe didn't force his way out of Philly.  He actually got along better with Embiid that any other top players had.  The Sixers didn't want to pay him and wanted to pay Harris, so they moved him.  Its pretty widely accepted that the Sixers FO messed up and screwed up choosing Harris over Butler.  It had nothing to do with him demanding out or being a cancer in Philly.  His situation and departure from Philly is not in any way analogous to leaving Chicago or Minnesota.

Quote from: Pakuni on January 28, 2025, 03:16:13 PMYeah, and I also wouldn't characterize Jimmy's departure from the Bulls as forcing his way out. The Bulls needed to tear it down and start over after the Rondo-Wade-Butler trifecta didn't work, and they saw trading Jimmy for young pieces as the best way to do that.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 28, 2025, 04:42:50 PMThat's my memory of the Bulls trade also.

Quote from: Pakuni on January 28, 2025, 04:52:52 PMAnd that's not to say Jimmy didn't have issues with some teammates and Hoiberg. But the Bulls front office, in their eternal wisdom, wanted him gone - and didn't want to give him a supermax deal - more than he wanted to leave.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 29, 2025, 12:01:12 AMThe prior Bulls front office would never have personnel issues. Don't interfere with Jockey's hyperbole please

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 09:11:02 AMI guess quitters are revered more than I thought.

#bigC

Quote from: Pakuni on January 29, 2025, 09:23:03 AMHomeless kid turns himself into a decent JUCO player turns himself into a good college player turns himself into NBA's Most Improved Player turns himself into 6-time NBA All-Star turns himself into successful business owner ... all pretty much through hard work and sheer force of will.

Definitely sounds like a quitter.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 10:37:16 AMQuit in Chicago because he didn't like contract or coach.

Quit in Minny cuz he didn't like teammates.

Quit in Philly cuz he didn't like contract.

Quit in Miami cuz, well, cuz he's a quitter.

Quote from: wadesworld on January 29, 2025, 11:10:28 AMPeople throw out the term "quitter" or "quit" too much.  Why are athletes or coaches called "quitters" for leaving for a different job when every person outside of athletics does that throughout their life?

Butler isn't a quitter.  He is a malcontent.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 29, 2025, 11:19:13 AMWhen someone quits while still an employee that makes them a "quitter" (as Millenials and Gen Z call it, "quiet quitting").

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 29, 2025, 11:19:13 AMWhen someone quits while still an employee that makes them a "quitter" (as Millenials and Gen Z call it, "quiet quitting").

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 10:37:16 AMQuit in Chicago because he didn't like contract or coach.

Quit in Minny cuz he didn't like teammates.

Quit in Philly cuz he didn't like contract.

Quit in Miami cuz, well, cuz he's a quitter.


He will be perfect on an utterly dysfunctional Suns team. And I'm sure he'll give it at least a year before his inner quitter re-emerges.

Quote from: Jockey on January 28, 2025, 12:53:33 PMHe is a symbol of what is wrong with the NBA.

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 29, 2025, 11:51:06 AMAnyone else feel like none of these big pieces are going to move by the deadline.  Every proposed scenario I've seen that "works" involves something like 4+ teams, Beal agreeing to go to Chicago and Miami getting a return of like Bobby + a 2nd rounder. Just feels like too many unlikely pieces have to fall into place.

Quote from: MUBurrow on January 29, 2025, 12:10:00 PMJimmy's player option for next year is so fascinating.  Presumably, any team that acquires him will want him to agree to opt in as a condition to the trade, with the plan of reworking and extending his contract.  But at the same time, losing Jimmy for nothing costs the Heat less than most teams because Miami is such a FA destination, they will easily be able to redeploy the cap space (De'Aaron Fox?).  If Jimmy didn't get dealt, would he opt into his player option out of spite?  Is he using that as a threat against Pat Riley?

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 12:22:30 PMThis is what I have been saying about Jimmy in a nutshell.

#bigC

Quote from: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 12:30:34 PMAh. You have decided to use a dictionary rent argument because your "quitter" one was poor.

And why wouldn't a player use what is spelled out in his contract for leverage? That happens all of the time.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 01:19:19 PMI stand by quitter.

For clarity, my use of 'quitter ' refers to quitting on his teammates. I don't care about contract issues - they go on in every sport all of the time.

Quote from: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 01:20:14 PMYou can stand by it. You're still wrong.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 10:37:16 AMQuit in Chicago because he didn't like contract or coach.

Quit in Minny cuz he didn't like teammates.

Quit in Philly cuz he didn't like contract.

Quit in Miami cuz, well, cuz he's a quitter.


He will be perfect on an utterly dysfunctional Suns team. And I'm sure he'll give it at least a year before his inner quitter re-emerges.

Quote from: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 11:45:15 AMWhat does this mean?

Quote from: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 01:20:14 PMYou can stand by it. You're still wrong.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 03:35:34 PM"The suspension is due to a continued pattern of disregard of team rules, engaging in conduct detrimental to the team and intentionally withholding services."

As I said, a quitter.

#bigC

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 03:35:34 PM"The suspension is due to a continued pattern of disregard of team rules, engaging in conduct detrimental to the team and intentionally withholding services."

As I said, a quitter.

#bigC

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 29, 2025, 02:25:19 PMYou're such a casual NBA fan and it shows.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 29, 2025, 02:25:19 PMYou're such a casual NBA fan and it shows.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 04:09:09 PMIf I remember correctly, you are the one who said they would take
If I remember correctly, you were the one who said they would rather have Lamar than Mahomes in a big game. Maybe you not the one to accuse others of being a casual fan?

And, yes, it does show.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 04:09:09 PMIf I remember correctly, you are the one who said they would take
If I remember correctly, you were the one who said they would rather have Lamar than Mahomes in a big game. Maybe you not the one to accuse others of being a casual fan?

And, yes, it does show.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 04:34:53 PMI think you guys should all call your bosses in the morning and tell them you are withholding your services.

Then come back on Scoop later in the morning and use some twisted semantics to prove you didn't 'quit'.

Quote from: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 04:39:28 PMAre you ever going to attempt to explain how he quit in Chicago, Minnesota or Philadelphia? Or are you just going to forget you ever claimed that?

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 04:34:53 PMI think you guys should all call your bosses in the morning and tell them you are withholding your services.

Then come back on Scoop later in the morning and use some twisted semantics to prove you didn't 'quit'.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 29, 2025, 04:44:27 PMThat's a bad analogy. If I called my boss and said 'I quit and I'm going to work somewhere else,' they wouldn't tell me "no, you have to keep showing up and giving max effort every day for years until I get exactly as much out of you as I want."

Depends on whether you are under contract where you have signed your name to work for a certain number of years?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 29, 2025, 04:21:37 PMYes, and I'm still correct.  Lamar is the better player, and it isn't even remotely close.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/qbr-leaders-in-nfl-2024-to-2025

https://nflrankings.theringer.com/qb-rankings

https://www.nfl.com/news/ranking-each-nfl-team-s-primary-starting-quarterback-from-the-2024-regular-season

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/leaders.htm

Not only is he the league's best QB, he is the league's best player, period.

You're just a stupid person who prefers vibes instead of facts.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 04:44:08 PMI see a speck of light. :) Sounds like your admitting now that he quit in Miami.

Quote from: Jockey on January 29, 2025, 04:51:37 PMYou realize you are calling Lamar the greatest player in NFL history?

Brady is the GOAT. Mahomes is challenging him for the title. And you think a guy who has NEVER won a big game is better than both.

I think mommy told you that you were smart a few too many times. Parents lie to us - think Santa, the tooth fairy and "you're a smart boy".

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2025, 06:33:35 AMJimmy is the problem

Quote from: GB Warrior on January 29, 2025, 10:35:26 PMSince this is an NBA thread, I heard Bill Polian thought Lamar should play PG instead of QB

Quote from: Jockey on January 30, 2025, 03:41:25 PMDo we know for certain that Lamar ISN'T the best PG ever not to play in the NBA?

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 30, 2025, 06:03:19 PMuh oh Terry Rozier

Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 30, 2025, 06:03:19 PMuh oh Terry Rozier

Quote from: Jockey on January 30, 2025, 06:07:52 PMNot the first. Won't be the last.

Pro & college.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 01, 2025, 11:16:38 PMShams hacked?

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885919297832169918

Quote from: Dish on February 01, 2025, 11:22:10 PMI've seen a lot on Twitter over the years, this is the most "is this real or not?" tweet I think I've ever seen.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 01, 2025, 11:25:00 PMThe official ESPN account either was also hacked or it's legit.
Madness.

https://x.com/espn/status/1885920796985495949

Quote from: Dish on February 02, 2025, 12:36:46 AMIs that really all that Dallas could get back?

For Bucks fans, if the Mavs said "Luka for Giannis?", you're doing that deal, right?

Quote from: Dish on February 02, 2025, 12:36:46 AMIs that really all that Dallas could get back?

For Bucks fans, if the Mavs said "Luka for Giannis?", you're doing that deal, right?

Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2025, 07:50:27 AMWhispers out of Dallas is that concerns about conditioning and durability led to a reluctance to do a supermax contact.  Plus, Dallas is just spinning their wheels this season.   Mix it up, see if you catch lightning, free up money.

Opportunity for OMax?

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 08:55:30 AMI'm super surprised.  You would think Dallas would get more. 

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2025, 09:19:39 AMLike Bronny?

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 10:33:31 AMRumors were that Luka wasn't necessarily going to sign his Supermax either. 

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 10:33:31 AMRumors were that Luka wasn't necessarily going to sign his Supermax either. 

Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2025, 11:55:21 AMDallas appears to be saying:

Now we've got one of the very best bigs in recent years to go with a great PG who no longer will have to take turns with Doncic, as well as some good role players. We can make a run at the title the next couple of years, and we don't have to play contract roulette with Doncic.

Quote from: cheebs09 on February 02, 2025, 11:39:37 AMYeah, trading Luka isn't super headscratching. However, it's wild that's all they got for him.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 02, 2025, 02:10:01 PMI disagree.  Trading a top 3-5 player in his prime on a good team is always shocking and a head scratcher.  Post mortem speculation and reasoning can make sense of it, but it's shocking and crazy no matter what.  Every NBA writer whose job is to follow and be totally plugged into the league, to a person, is absolutely dumbfounded and shell shocked the last 12-15 hours

The timing of the announcement and paltry return is what makes me and others flummoxed

Quote from: Jockey on February 02, 2025, 02:28:43 PMIt's only paltry because of AD's health.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 02, 2025, 03:01:15 PMEven without the health issues, AD is also six years older, and age matters more for big guys. Dallas basically trading away 4-5 years of prime Luka for a guy already past his prime.
As for the rest of the deal, Max Christie is an OK rotational piece and the first Dallas got is a throw at the dart board. Given Luka and the ability to attract top players, that's very unlikely a top 10 pick.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 02, 2025, 02:10:01 PMI disagree.  Trading a top 3-5 player in his prime on a good team is always shocking and a head scratcher.  Post mortem speculation and reasoning can make sense of it, but it's shocking and crazy no matter what.  Every NBA writer whose job is to follow and be totally plugged into the league, to a person, is absolutely dumbfounded and shell shocked the last 12-15 hours

The timing of the announcement and paltry return is what makes me and others flummoxed

Quote from: Dish on February 02, 2025, 12:36:46 AMIs that really all that Dallas could get back?

For Bucks fans, if the Mavs said "Luka for Giannis?", you're doing that deal, right?

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 07:36:45 PMDe'Aaron Fox to the Spurs.   

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 06:12:31 PMSo apparently the Mavs did call about a straight up trade, and Milwaukee said no.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 02, 2025, 08:01:13 PMThe Kings got way more for Fox than Dallas did for Doncic.

Quote from: Dish on February 02, 2025, 08:00:21 PMThis would be the most fascinating part to me if they shopped Luka around.

I feel like Giannis was the most interesting case. Like, did the Bucks straight up say no? Did they talk about it for a few days and struggle with a decision?

Spurs and Nuggets immediately would have said "no thanks".

Thunder and Celtics probably said "hmm..." and then would pass.

Those team by team internal conversations would have been amazing to listen in on.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 02, 2025, 08:27:26 PMI think Giannis is better than Luka. And between that and his history, the Bucks didn't think twice. 

Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2025, 09:51:10 PMCan't trade Giannis, but this roster is so far from a contending NBA roster and has no way of improving in the next 2 years that if the Mavs attached a few firsts and Luka guaranteed he'd sign an extension you'd have to consider it. He's 5 years younger and you can make your rebuild around him.

Horst should be looking to get anything he can for Brook before the deadline, get everything he can for Dame this offseason, get anything he can for Khris's expiring next trade deadline, and hope Giannis is up for a rebuild. And fire Horst before he makes another draft pick.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 02, 2025, 10:18:34 PMBiggest loser of the weekend is Demar Derozan.  Terrible fit and chemistry with Lavine in Chicago.  Flees all the way to lame ass Sacramento...only to have Lavine pop up in his locker room a few months later.

Also, I'm not the biggest De'Aaron Fox fan, think he's a firmly "very good" player who won't ever be "great", but man there is the potential for the Spurs to be a TON of fun with him arriving.  Arguably the fastest player in the NBA blowing past people and needing to only toss it within 10 feet of the rim for octopus arms Wemby to pull it down.

Quote from: MUfan12 on February 03, 2025, 10:55:02 AMThe expansion fees for a team in Vegas and Seattle would be exorbitant. Ain't no way the owners are gonna pass that up and approve a Dallas move.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2025, 09:42:22 AMI see some Bulls fans think the Bulls got fleeced by not getting more for LaVine, but honestly Zach has proven to the league he is not a great player and certainly not worth the huge contract. I think the Bulls did fine. The fatal decision with LaVine was signing him to the contrast to begin with; the deal was sound based upon the current circumstances and freed up $60M over the next few years.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 03, 2025, 10:26:30 AMThis is very big brained, but I'm in a mood to consider it

https://x.com/LoewyLawFirm/status/1886211634097746331?t=bu-oUB9HbHLJM5WQyrFIHw&s=19

Quote from: Jockey on February 03, 2025, 10:57:12 AMThe bulls traded Caruso, Derozan and LiVine for some bench players and 2 2nd round picks.

That is bad general managing.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 03, 2025, 12:10:25 PMBulls finally have a direction, which is progress. Terrible asset maximization, sure. But with getting their 1st back, they can be ok falling ass-backwards into the play-in while also being ok if the bottom falls out.

Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2025, 12:22:04 PMRaptors fans booed the U.S. national anthem.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2025, 12:26:40 PMTime to invade! I bet the Big10 can find some expansion targets up north.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2025, 01:06:42 PMWe invaded in 1775 and 1812, but both ended badly for us. We burned the capitol in York, Ontario and the Brits used that as justification for burning the White House and other federal buildings in 1812. I'm not sure invading again is a good idea. We would get the French Canadians in the deal and the joke would be on us.  ;D

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2025, 01:06:42 PMWe invaded in 1775 and 1812, but both ended badly for us. We burned the capitol in York, Ontario and the Brits used that as justification for burning the White House and other federal buildings in 1812. I'm not sure invading again is a good idea. We would get the French Canadians in the deal and the joke would be on us.  ;D

Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2025, 01:57:39 PMWhy would the USA want to annex a country with 50 million socialists accustomed to single payer health care?  To build better roads to Alaska?

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 03, 2025, 07:19:59 PMNo Giannis or Lillard vs OKC?  WTF?

Quote from: MUfan12 on February 03, 2025, 07:47:36 PMBack to back and a game they weren't winning anyway.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2025, 12:26:40 PMTime to invade! I bet the Big10 can find some expansion targets up north.

Quote from: MUfan12 on February 04, 2025, 10:03:58 AMIf the Bucks deal Middleton and a pick for Kuzma that might be it for me.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 10:10:30 AMGiving up draft capital for an objectively worse player

Quote from: JWags85 on February 04, 2025, 11:06:13 AMThe draft capital is the issue.  Otherwise I don't necessarily hate  it, especially if it opens up space.  4 years younger, no injury issues like Middleton, cheaper.  I don't love Kuzma, but he's been on absolutely AWFUL teams.  I would be interested in seeing his offense skillset within a proper team/offense

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 01:11:11 PMHe's shooting 42% and 28% from 3. What skillset are we trying to get?

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 01:11:11 PMHe's shooting 42% and 28% from 3. What skillset are we trying to get?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2025, 05:25:26 PMOne person's opinion on the Bulls:

https://sports.yahoo.com/as-deaaron-fox-trade-illustrates-the-bulls-still-dont-know-what-they-are-doing-170734740.html

Quote from: JWags85 on February 04, 2025, 02:22:00 PMYou're giving up Middleton's 3P shooting, but Kuzma is a better scorer inside the arc.  He's had a down start to the year, but he's historically shooting 53-55% from 2, which is actually pretty solid for a jump shooter/slasher.  He's a good rebounder and help/weak side defender.  He's not a good fit as a #1 or #2 option, but as a 3rd behind Lillard and Giannis, and not being asked to fill it up from deep, he's not a bad piece.  Plenty of non-stars have turned into solid, effective players when no longer asked to be the man.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 04, 2025, 10:10:30 AMGiving up draft capital for an objectively worse player

Quote from: MUBurrow on February 05, 2025, 10:04:29 AMIt appears that they negotiated away from sending a first down to AJ Johnson and a pick swap and also took back a second rounder.  If nothing else, that is a good little bit of business and preserves the worse of their and the Wiz pick to include in future trades.

If you view Kuzma and Middleton as reasonably fungible, the question is whether a $32M expiring next year provided a better opportunity for future additions than two years of $20M. That strikes me as a reasonable minds can disagree proposition.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 05, 2025, 10:22:06 AMSomething doesn't sit right with me about sending Khris to the worst team in the league.

I do think the trade makes them slightly better on the floor this year. Not enough to truly move the needle though.

Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2025, 09:18:38 AMBaldwin comes home to Milwaukee.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 05, 2025, 01:36:23 PMI hope he enjoys Oshkosh

Quote from: JWags85 on February 05, 2025, 05:42:33 PMHe got bagged on a bunch for choosing Milwaukee at the time, which I agreed with, and its funny how that has been basically the tipping point for his career decline.  Went from a consensus top 8 recruit, borderline top 5, that was a Duke lean to going to Milwaukee and having a weird year playing for a terrible coach who happened to be his father.  Plummeted from a lottery pick to bottom of the first round.  Barely played in GS, got traded to the worst team in basketball, and can't even get reliable minutes or buckets there.  I would imagine he's off to Asia once this contract is up.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2025, 06:08:38 PMHis shine was dulled before enrolling at Milwaukee.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 05, 2025, 07:23:30 PMIm sure Jimmy will get on with Draymond just fine

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 05, 2025, 07:23:30 PMIm sure Jimmy will get on with Draymond just fine

Quote from: Pakuni on February 05, 2025, 08:10:00 PMHuh?

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1887322108427915364

Quote from: Dish on February 05, 2025, 09:49:15 PMI'm at Suns/Thunder in OKC. I realize the part of the country I'm in, but struck me as a bit odd that part of their arena pregame ceremony is a prayer.

I didn't really care one way or the other, just seemed odd for a pro team to do.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 05, 2025, 11:03:06 PMI think we can pretty much pencil  in OKC/Boston  for the Finals. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 05, 2025, 11:03:06 PMI think we can pretty much pencil  in OKC/Boston  for the Finals. 

Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2025, 02:00:31 PM@ShamsCharania
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Kevin Porter Jr. to the Milwaukee Bucks for MarJon Beauchamp, sources tell ESPN.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 05:07:57 PMhttps://x.com/joey_doubleyou/status/1887617796219007099?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Excellent.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2025, 02:13:38 PMWonder if they'll give him Taurean Prince's locker room, after the Cavs had to trade him because he threw a fit (including throwing his food) after they gave Prince his locker when they traded for Prince.

That came shortly after KPJ was involved in a 1 car accident and charged with improper handling of a firearm in a motor vehicle, failure to control the vehicle and possession of marijuana.

Not to mention being accused of repeatedly punching his girlfriend, causing a gash above her eye and strangling her to the point of fracturing a vertebrae.

Good locker room guy to add.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:52:08 PMYeah sure but thankfully only one belongs in prison.

Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 06, 2025, 09:43:48 PMHe'll fit in in WI with his dewey

Quote from: JWags85 on February 06, 2025, 08:22:50 PMIts really weird.  Pre-POS behavior, he was a really talented scorer with some maturity issues on the court.  But filled up the stat sheet nicely.  I guess I can see why the Clippers took a chance after he had a good season in Greece, but he's been thoroughly mediocre this year.  So trading for him with all that baggage at this point is not pleasant.

Its one thing to acquire a bad character guy who is really good and makes you hold your nose while cheering for his contributions to team success.  Its another to get the guy who has shown himself to be an out of control liability on and off the court.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 07, 2025, 05:51:17 AMI'm sure he was probably stoked to hear he is moving from LA to Milwaukee in February as well.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2025, 07:31:08 AMYeah, he'll get shot here

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2025, 07:31:08 AMYeah, he'll get shot here

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 07, 2025, 11:03:22 AMHubie Brown's last game is Sunday. Bucks/Sixers.  He's been a tremendous ambassador to the game of basketball and we should all tip our caps to this man.  Sadly, he's gone through major tragedies in the last few years losing his wife, a son, and a daughter. Perhaps some of our esteemed and elder Scoopers can share a few Hubie stories. 

Quote from: wadesworld on February 07, 2025, 02:25:23 PMThe rare times I have to be in the car on opening weekend of March Madness, I love hearing him calling Hubie calling the games on Westwood 1.

Quote from: Jockey on February 08, 2025, 06:11:32 PMI prefer contact.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 08, 2025, 07:18:34 PMIf anyone is interested, Jockey likes kicks to the groin

Quote from: BM1090 on February 09, 2025, 02:54:51 PMKuzma has been really solid so far. Playing well as a third scorer and a connector. Obviously 1.5 games is a tiny sample but he's bringing something the Bucks didn't really have. Expectations exceeded at this point.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2025, 03:12:28 PMDo they have any chance vs Boston or Cleveland in a series?

Quote from: The Sultan on February 09, 2025, 03:18:26 PMVery doubtful.

By the way, and I know this sounds bad, but this game with Hubie is kinda painful.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2025, 03:12:28 PMDo they have any chance vs Boston or Cleveland in a series?

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2025, 03:12:28 PMDo they have any chance vs Boston or Cleveland in a series?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2025, 03:22:01 PMIn what?  Scrabble?  Certainly not in basketball

Quote from: The Sultan on February 09, 2025, 03:18:26 PMVery doubtful.

By the way, and I know this sounds bad, but this game with Hubie is kinda painful.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on February 10, 2025, 10:57:01 AMAD trade already off to swimmingly results for the Mavs.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on February 10, 2025, 10:57:01 AMAD trade already off to swimmingly results for the Mavs.

Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2025, 03:41:50 PMIt's almost impossible to believe that Jordan played all 82 games in his last season at age 40 - the 9th time that he played in all 82 games. Only three times did he play fewer than 78 - his second season when he got hurt, his "I'm back" season when he didn't return until March, and his next-to-last season when he battled injuries.

Oh, and he of course had long playoff runs on top of those 82-game seasons most years.

Hell, I remember his first season after he came out of retirement, he was gonna skip a preseason game at Detroit but Stern talked to him and told him he had a responsibility to play ... so he did.

All this while being the focal point of the Bulls' attack - and of opposing defenses.

He wasn't the only one who played full schedules back then - it was the norm. If you were healthy, you played. Given that it's accepted that today's athletes are better conditioned (some would even say much better), it's pretty amazing that so few of them are willing or able to play even 80% of the schedule.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 07:06:47 PMHow serious is Giannis' injury?

Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2025, 07:39:51 PMMuggsy, who posts up on the low blocks anymore?

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 07:38:07 PMThe Bucks are poorly coached. Even without Giannis they have 3 guys 6'10 that can post.  I don't get it. If a 4'4 dude was checking me, I'd adjust my game and score at will inside.  Or at minimum force an automatic double.  I'd have 60 at the half vs single coverage.

Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2025, 07:43:35 PMIt is the exact same argument being had about mid range jumpers.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 10, 2025, 07:47:22 PM::)  ::)  ::) You watch one Bucks game a year and you're an expert.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 07:49:41 PMI see the match-up.  Why would you play their game when you have way more size?

Quote from: The Sultan on February 10, 2025, 08:03:16 PMThe Bucks play their game. Like NBA teams always do.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 08:08:49 PMMaybe that's the problem for the Bucks.   

Quote from: The Sultan on February 10, 2025, 08:11:07 PMOr maybe you don't know WTF you are talking about.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 08:20:44 PMThey're not in the top 10 in offense or defense. But apparently they're well coached. 

Quote from: The Sultan on February 10, 2025, 08:28:50 PMMuggsy might as well be a random AI post generator. Not substance, just nonsense.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 08:33:43 PMSubstance isn't exactly your forte Fluffy. 

Quote from: The Sultan on February 10, 2025, 08:35:26 PMI have cogent basketball thoughts that you seemingly can't comprehend. You OTOH yell "focus" and "attack" and think it's meaningful.

I win.

Quote from: GB Warrior on February 10, 2025, 08:54:48 PMIt's the honeymoon phase but the Bucks have no one that can stay with Butler.

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2025, 07:38:07 PMThe Bucks are poorly coached. Even without Giannis they have 3 guys 6'10 that can post.  I don't get it. If a 4'4 dude was checking me, I'd adjust my game and score at will inside.  Or at minimum force an automatic double.  I'd have 60 at the half vs single coverage.

Quote from: forgetful on February 10, 2025, 09:43:36 PMWhat do you have against diminutive people?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 11, 2025, 09:49:14 AMI found this interesting. This morning on NBA Radio, Brian Scalabrine said, depending on each team, 30%-80% of NBA players are not happy with the team they are with.

I wonder how much this plays into the "injury" time off issue in the NBA. I also wonder if this is true in other sports.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2025, 10:07:49 AM30-80%?!  Why not just say 0-100% at that point?

Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2025, 10:07:49 AM30-80%?!  Why not just say 0-100% at that point?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 11, 2025, 09:46:34 PMYou do realize is 0-100% is twice as much as 30-80%. Not really close.

It is probably just me but I'm surprise that even on the best teams, 4 or 5 players want out. I wonder if 30% or more of the Eagles are unhappy in Philadelphia.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2025, 09:48:01 PMProbably

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 11, 2025, 09:57:21 PMCrazy. I guess money, fame, first class accommodations, playing a game for a living, etc. doesn't buy happiness.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2025, 09:59:57 PMGuys on the bench want to start or play more.  Guys want to get paid more.  Guys may not like a city, coaches, GMs or any number of things.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 11, 2025, 09:57:21 PMCrazy. I guess money, fame, first class accommodations, playing a game for a living, etc. doesn't buy happiness.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2025, 09:59:57 PMGuys on the bench want to start or play more.  Guys want to get paid more.  Guys may not like a city, coaches, GMs or any number of things.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 12, 2025, 09:24:24 PMThat was one of the more surprising Bucks wins I can remember.

Quote from: forgetful on February 12, 2025, 10:40:05 PMOne of the worst officiated plays in the NBA that I've seen in Warriors vs. Mavs.

Poziemski brings the ball up, clears half-court with ~19 s left on shot clock.

Tries to pass, defender intentionally kicks the ball and then deflects it back beyond 1/2 court. Mavs player collects the ball and goes to score.

Refs pause game to correct the call. After a lengthy discussion, they give the ball to the Mavs and call an 8-second violation.

The Mavs player scored with 17 s still on the shot clock, so he deflected the ball, collected it, and scored, before the 8 s was even up.

Terrible call. If you pause the game, at least get the call right. Clear and obvious intentionally kicked ball.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 12, 2025, 10:49:57 PMThey even corrected and said it was an inadvertent whistle, not 8 seconds. But still gave the mavericks the ball and ignored the kick. That one was truly odd.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 12, 2025, 09:02:57 PMThey aren't unhappy being NBA players, they aren't happy with their current situation.  They are in demand and have options...

Exactly.  And the NBA is a giant fraternity.  They all have friends, former teammates, college teammates, etc...  in other spots in the league.  So when a coaching staff stinks or the GM isn't doing what you can to win, its not hard to see players being unhappy.  Not enough to hold out or force a trade, but enough to say you're not totally happy if asked.

At least 50% of teams have NO shot to win a title every year.  So that could easily be 50% of players who could say they aren't happy if their dream is to win a ring.

Comparing the amazing perks of being a professional athlete to normal working professionals and discounting dissatisfaction as a result is just an apples to oranges comparison.  These are players who work insanely hard to reach a pinnacle of sport, and having expectations about a franchise, especially if you have been around other organizations, isn't that outlandish.  Giannis' quote the other day can still be completely true even if he wasn't happy on the Bucks or a similar player and sentiment with their team.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 13, 2025, 12:20:37 AMFair enough. I guess I didn't give the full context of Scalabrine's comment,  but he was making the point it was a material increase from when he played. He retired 12 years ago.

While he's more in the know than any of us, he could be wrong.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 13, 2025, 10:54:24 AMI don't think he's necessarily wrong (80% might be high, but he might have misspoke given that wild range) but I don't necessarily think its a "bad thing" or that odd.  And things have changed a TON in 10-12 years given visibility, social media, podcasting, etc...  A lot of things that can contribute to grass is greener mentalities but also just outlets for players to express some displeasure, even if its not material enough to impact their day to day.