Now I think I know where some here get their "real" news...from Putin...
Right-wing influencers were duped to work for covert Russian influence operation
https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd
I think they happily did it rather than were duped.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 10:25:21 AM
Now I think I know where some here get their "real" news...from Putin...
Right-wing influencers were duped to work for covert Russian influence operation
https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd
Hope you got some of that sweet Russian money that the Tim Pool's and Benny Johnson's of the world got.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 10:28:43 AM
I think they happily did it rather than were duped.
I mean, I think they happily took the money ($400,000 monthly fee, a $100,000 signing bonus and an additional performance bonus), and spouted lies that they perceived to be truths.
But It's gotta be embarrassing to learn you were a pawn for the Russians.
I'm sure Ron Johnson and Tucker are embarrassed, then?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 10:31:20 AM
I mean, I think they happily took the money ($400,000 monthly fee, a $100,000 signing bonus and an additional performance bonus), and spouted lies that they perceived to be truths.
But It's gotta be embarrassing to learn you were a pawn for the Russians.
I have serious doubts about them finding out about all of this just yesterday.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 05, 2024, 10:37:40 AM
I have serious doubts about them finding out about all of this just yesterday.
We (globally) are pretty gullible when money gets involved. "Hey, I really like your messaging and will pay you lots to continue it! I'd especially appreciate if you emphasize points A, B & C". "Nice work, I see you've got a million new followers, here's a bonus. Keep up the great work! Our country needs more people like you"
It's not like these guys have a clue about counterintelligence. In fact, they probably think they're speaking for the good guys. Sigh.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 10:35:42 AM
I'm sure Ron Johnson and Tucker are embarrassed, then?
I guess I should say "It should be embarrassing to learn you were a pawn for the Russians."
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 10:40:51 AM
We (globally) are pretty gullible when money gets involved. "Hey, I really like your messaging and will pay you lots to continue it! I'd especially appreciate if you emphasize points A, B & C". "Nice work, I see you've got a million new followers, here's a bonus. Keep up the great work! Our country needs more people like you"
This is the funniest part of this is the response: "Putin's a scumbag" but also the missing subtext of "I refuse to look introspectively at if there's an issue when the guy i call a scumbag is willing to pay me hundreds of thousands for views I'm espousing".
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 10:35:42 AM
I'm sure Ron Johnson and Tucker are embarrassed, then?
I'm sure some dentists are embarrassed, then?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 10:31:20 AM
I mean, I think they happily took the money ($400,000 monthly fee, a $100,000 signing bonus and an additional performance bonus), and spouted lies that they perceived to be truths.
But It's gotta be embarrassing to learn you were a pawn for the Russians.
I take exception with the idea that these people were duped or were pawns. They are fully aligned with Russia and happily spout the propaganda, along with fellating Orban. No duping necessary.
The video of Tim Pool calling Ukraine the enemy while pounding a table is peak.
Hopefully nobody on Scoop listens to alt-right Twitter streamers to get their news, though.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 05, 2024, 11:18:15 AM
The video of Tim Pool calling Ukraine the enemy while pounding a table is peak.
Hopefully nobody on Scoop listens to alt-right Twitter streamers to get their news, though.
Bwahhahahahahahahaha
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 05, 2024, 11:18:15 AM
The video of Tim Pool calling Ukraine the enemy while pounding a table is peak.
Hopefully nobody on Scoop listens to alt-right Twitter streamers to get their news, though.
Lol. We have a few posters whose only posts are barfing those talking points on here.
Whether or not they knew is to me less damning than the fact that Russia took at look at their content and said "Da, that's exactly the message we want to spread."
Bwahahahaha. "mythical"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-will-target-us-media-response-move-against-rt-2024-09-05/
QuoteRussia's foreign ministry said the U.S. moves were part of a plan to purge any dissenting voices from the global media landscape and to stoke fears among U.S. voters about Russia as a mythical external enemy.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 05, 2024, 11:18:15 AM
The video of Tim Pool calling Ukraine the enemy while pounding a table is peak.
Hopefully nobody on Scoop listens to alt-right Twitter streamers to get their news, though.
I get all my news from Elon's feed.
Did you guys know Churchill is to blame for WWII?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 05, 2024, 11:18:15 AM
Hopefully nobody on Scoop listens to alt-right Twitter streamers to get their news, though.
FIFY
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 11:48:10 AM
I get all my news from Elon's feed.
Did you guys know Churchill is to blame for WWII?
Churchill AND Jew bankers.
And all the dead at Nazi camps were just the unintended consequence of poor logistics.
Thanks, Tuckems, for bringing us this illuminating information.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 11:51:55 AM
FIFY
Kind of amusing how "paid shill/plant/influencer" when it comes to politically tinged social media posts used to be some sort of bogeyman/conspiracy theory for certain people even just a few years. But now its not just a certainty, but disturbingly common, across any variety of topics, political persuasions, and geopolitical players. Guess its probably cheaper than paying lobbyists.
And for all the justified criticisms of X, it was ramping up even before the Elon takeover. "Western" Chinese propagandist shills were sloppy and blatant way before.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 12:31:38 PM
Kind of amusing how "paid shill/plant/influencer" when it comes to politically tinged social media posts used to be some sort of bogeyman/conspiracy theory for certain people even just a few years. But now its not just a certainty, but disturbingly common, across any variety of topics, political persuasions, and geopolitical players. Guess its probably cheaper than paying lobbyists.
And for all the justified criticisms of X, it was ramping up even before the Elon takeover. "Western" Chinese propagandist shills were sloppy and blatant way before.
Yeah the platform is dead because of bots. Other social media is headed the same direction.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 11:57:09 AM
Churchill AND Jew bankers.
And all the dead at Nazi camps were just the unintended consequence of poor logistics.
Thanks, Tuckems, for bringing us this illuminating information.
From the daily "not surprised at all" file.
Tucker has been cavorting with nazis and commies. Now he will be cavorting with JD Vance.
Will we even notice the difference? Is Vance a holocaust denier? Is Vance happy that childless women were gassed?
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 12:31:38 PM
But now its not just a certainty, but disturbingly common, across any variety of topics, political persuasions, and geopolitical players. Guess its probably cheaper than paying lobbyists.
And for all the justified criticisms of X, it was ramping up even before the Elon takeover. "Western" Chinese propagandist shills were sloppy and blatant way before.
Oh certainly. And I've been a twitter / X hater forever.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 05, 2024, 10:37:40 AM
I have serious doubts about them finding out about all of this just yesterday.
This kinda sums up my thinking...
Jane Coaston 🏔️
@janecoaston
"They want to give me $400K a month and all I have to do is record four videos a week" baby at BEST you are working for the cartels, at absolute best
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 11:57:09 AM
Churchill AND Jew bankers.
And all the dead at Nazi camps were just the unintended consequence of poor logistics.
Thanks, Tuckems, for bringing us this illuminating information.
Tucker is just asking questions. He's the biggest thing in news media
Favorite part of the indictment is that producers at the media company involved didn't want to post the video of Tucker grocery shopping in Moscow because it was too obviously Russian propaganda.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 12:59:46 PM
This kinda sums up my thinking...
Jane Coaston 🏔️
@janecoaston
"They want to give me $400K a month and all I have to do is record four videos a week" baby at BEST you are working for the cartels, at absolute best
Sure, but would that stop you? For $4.8M/year? As long as they setup their front sufficiently, and you can claim ignorance?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 11:48:10 AM
I get all my news from Elon's feed.
Did you guys know Churchill is to blame for WWII?
I've thought a lot about whether that guy is just an edgelord making a cynical and soulless marketing decision based on what maximizes his engagement/revenue or if he really believes the things that he says. I honestly am not certain. He did a podcast on counterterrorism in Iraq with Jocko Willink that seemed pretty level-headed based on their combined experiences in theater. Then he kinda dropped off my radar until his massive twitter thread setting forth what he framed as proof that the 2020 election was stolen (or maybe he framed it as "why so many people rightfully believe it was stolen"). After that I filed him into the "at least an edgelord" category and forgot all about him until he just popped back up the other day. A cursory review of what he's been up to in the last 4 years suggests that "really believes the things he says" is more and more plausible.
It is notable that several years ago Dan Carlin, a person who as far as I can tell has made zero public enemies, outright called Darryl a fascist on twitter (saying something like, "there's a word that describes you, it's fascist, save us all some time and own it").
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 01:16:06 PM
Sure, but would that stop you? For $4.8M/year? As long as they setup their front sufficiently, and you can claim ignorance?
If someone came to me and offered me a lot of money to do sketchy stuff? I would hope so.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 01:22:17 PM
I've thought a lot about whether that guy is just an edgelord making a cynical and soulless marketing decision based on what maximizes his engagement/revenue or if he really believes the things that he says. I honestly am not certain. He did a podcast on counterterrorism in Iraq with Jocko Willink that seemed pretty level-headed based on their combined experiences in theater. Then he kinda dropped off my radar until his massive twitter thread setting forth what he framed as proof that the 2020 election was stolen (or maybe he framed it as "why so many people rightfully believe it was stolen"). After that I filed him into the "at least an edgelord" category and forgot all about him until he just popped back up the other day. A cursory review of what he's been up to in the last 4 years suggests that "really believes the things he says" is more and more plausible.
It is notable that several years ago Dan Carlin, a person who as far as I can tell has made zero public enemies, outright called Darryl a fascist on twitter (saying something like, "there's a word that describes you, it's fascist, save us all some time and own it").
Him being called a fascist might have something to do with posts like this:
https://twitter.com/HistoryBoomer/status/1831106940228739446/photo/1
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 12:59:46 PM
This kinda sums up my thinking...
Jane Coaston 🏔️
@janecoaston
"They want to give me $400K a month and all I have to do is record four videos a week" baby at BEST you are working for the cartels, at absolute best
Exactly. "Don't tell me where the money comes from, just cash the checks" is something I'm sure that was said. Anyone with a shred of dignity that is taking money to produce content about specific topics isn't this stupid. Their reputation is what fuels their audience. They knew what they were doing 100%, but saw the big bag of money and just went ahead with it. Lots of people make terrible decisions, but all of these grifters knew where that bag was coming from.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 01:26:52 PM
Him being called a fascist might have something to do with posts like this:
https://twitter.com/HistoryBoomer/status/1831106940228739446/photo/1
Obviously.
And, I would be remiss if I didn't note the applicability of Popehat's Rule of Goats*: If you [kiss] a goat ironically to prove a point or for some other purpose besides physical gratification that you contend is good, you're still a goat [kisser].
*Kiss is not the verb in the original.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 05, 2024, 01:27:02 PM
Exactly. "Don't tell me where the money comes from, just cash the checks" is something I'm sure that was said. Anyone with a shred of dignity that is taking money to produce content about specific topics isn't this stupid. Their reputation is what fuels their audience. They knew what they were doing 100%, but saw the big bag of money and just went ahead with it. Lots of people make terrible decisions, but all of these grifters knew where that bag was coming from.
Modern day Rush Limbaugh's
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 12:48:48 PM
From the daily "not surprised at all" file.
Tucker has been cavorting with nazis and commies. Now he will be cavorting with JD Vance.
Will we even notice the difference? Is Vance a holocaust denier? Is Vance happy that childless women were gassed?
This is how far right the Overton Window has shifted. "Nazi apologist and antisemite to campaign with VP candidate" doesn't warrant more than a passing mention from the media.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 01:22:17 PM
I've thought a lot about whether that guy is just an edgelord making a cynical and soulless marketing decision based on what maximizes his engagement/revenue or if he really believes the things that he says. I honestly am not certain.
Given his fascist antics have literally cost him billions of dollars, we can rule out "maximizing his engagement/revenue".
Which leaves us with: he really is this terrible of a human being.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 01:40:38 PM
Given his fascist antics have literally cost him billions of dollars, we can rule out "maximizing his engagement/revenue".
Which leaves us with: he really is this terrible of a human being.
I was talking about Daryll Cooper.
My take on Elon is that he's tweeting through a not insignificant mental health and substance abuse spiral all while in control of nation-state-level assets and without a single person with the juice to tell him no or to help him pull out of the reality tunnel he's created for himself. I don't know if on a moral philosophical level he's a white nationalist, but on some level (see Rule of Goats) if he acts like one then whether he believes it or not is irrelevant.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 01:40:38 PM
Given his fascist antics have literally cost him billions of dollars, we can rule out "maximizing his engagement/revenue".
Which leaves us with: he really is this terrible of a human being.
He's talking about Darryl Cooper, not Elon...
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 05, 2024, 01:27:02 PM
Exactly. "Don't tell me where the money comes from, just cash the checks" is something I'm sure that was said. Anyone with a shred of dignity that is taking money to produce content about specific topics isn't this stupid. Their reputation is what fuels their audience. They knew what they were doing 100%, but saw the big bag of money and just went ahead with it. Lots of people make terrible decisions, but all of these grifters knew where that bag was coming from.
Thats where you've lost it with this. The last year has shown so many of these people to be just complete mercenary wankers who don't care about anything other than a paycheck now that their follower numbers are large enough. From the Tim Pools and Jack Pobesenics to the Krasstein brothers and Jackson Hinkles to the Cernovichs, etc... Stuff like the Israel/Palestine conflict to Russia to more standard political spats, these people are dropping all manner of "rounded" perspective to relentlessly hammer on whatever side or point they are being paid to promote or run interference on.
And in less dastardly and geopolitical realms, stumble upon pro-bike/public transit Twitter or social media and you have paid shills presenting just outrageously slanted viewpoints, venerating all manner of CCP activity because of their trains (Modern day "at least Mussolini had the trains on time!) and their obvious counterparts in the pro-car/oil realm.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 02:04:34 PM
He's talking about Darryl Cooper, not Elon...
Thats where you've lost it with this. The last year has shown so many of these people to be just complete mercenary wankers who don't care about anything other than a paycheck now that their follower numbers are large enough. From the Tim Pools and Jack Pobesenics to the Krasstein brothers and Jackson Hinkles to the Cernovichs, etc... Stuff like the Israel/Palestine conflict to Russia to more standard political spats, these people are dropping all manner of "rounded" perspective to relentlessly hammer on whatever side or point they are being paid to promote or run interference on.
And in less dastardly and geopolitical realms, stumble upon pro-bike/public transit Twitter or social media and you have paid shills presenting just outrageously slanted viewpoints, venerating all manner of CCP activity because of their trains (Modern day "at least Mussolini had the trains on time!) and their obvious counterparts in the pro-car/oil realm.
Oh I know ;D
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 01:57:06 PM
I was talking about Daryll Cooper.
Ah, my bad
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 01:57:06 PM
My take on Elon is that he's tweeting through a not insignificant mental health and substance abuse spiral all while in control of nation-state-level assets and without a single person with the juice to tell him no or to help him pull out of the reality tunnel he's created for himself. I don't know if on a moral philosophical level he's a white nationalist, but on some level (see Rule of Goats) if he acts like one then whether he believes it or not is irrelevant.
Indeed, he has surrounded himself solely with sycophants whose paychecks depend on him (see Tesla board) and likeminded deluded techbros like David Sacks and Bill Ackman who not only won't tell him no, but who agree with his every bit of racist drivel. He's reached the stage, along with Pavel Durov, of believing himself some sort of genetic superman whose sperm should populate this and other worlds.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 01:25:59 PM
If someone came to me and offered me a lot of money to do sketchy stuff? I would hope so.
Lets just pretend for a second that people offered you a lot of money to say things that you already say. But we'll throw in a bonus if you add ____ to your repertoire, which aligns with your current ramblings. You would take that, right?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 02:22:25 PM
Lets just pretend for a second that people offered you a lot of money to say things that you already say. But we'll throw in a bonus if you add ____ to your repertoire, which aligns with your current ramblings. You would take that, right?
That's it exactly. No duping necessary. They already
want to say these things.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 01:57:06 PM
My take on Elon is that he's tweeting through a not insignificant mental health and substance abuse spiral all while in control of nation-state-level assets and without a single person with the juice to tell him no or to help him pull out of the reality tunnel he's created for himself. I don't know if on a moral philosophical level he's a white nationalist, but on some level (see Rule of Goats) if he acts like one then whether he believes it or not is irrelevant.
Thats actually a very interesting and good read on what he's doing right now. And the nature of Twitter makes it so dangerously easy and fast to make flippant comments and, much more problematically, endorsements of stuff with no nuance or greater picture.
He in a general sense reminds of a situation I had with a friend from college. He was from a smaller town in Ohio, first in his family to go to college and only one of his good friends who went further than the local CC. His stepdad was a friendly guy but unabashedly racist. Not dropping hard R bombs, but not at all subtle in his referencing of offensive stereotype, blaming minorities for any number of things, etc... His friends from HS were very similar. Really fun/friendly dudes (in your late teens early 20s) who were loyal and generous, but intensely problematic in their views and outright statements on anything racial. Didn't really connect until they kind of bristled when they visited us at school and realized one of our closest friends in the dorm was a AA football player.
My friend is and was a great dude, intelligent and compassionate, not racist in anyway...but pretty consistently excused or tried to explain away some of the stuff his stepdad or friends said or expressed, didn't see why it was wrong, blamed things on "different perspectives being from (hometown)". Anyone who knew him (and that fact that he was a dorm representative in a multicultural alliance group on campus) could tell you he wasn't anything like them, but if you didn't, it wasn't hard to chalk him up to at least being an apologist or sympathizer. Unfortunately, his mother passed away in his early 20s, but that combined with a not great reception to an Indian GF he had shortly after her death kind of snapped him out of all of that and made him realize where he kind of had went wrong, thankfully.
Now lord knows Elon hasn't done anything to deserve benefit of the doubt like my friend had and has shown now positive character arc otherwise. But I always use it as my reference point in the idea that if you gladhand or don't explicitly distance yourself from toxic people, ideologies, or arguments, no matter "good" you are under it all, you're going to rightly be locked with them arm in arm in the perception of everyone else.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 02:22:25 PM
Lets just pretend for a second that people offered you a lot of money to say things that you already say. But we'll throw in a bonus if you add ____ to your repertoire, which aligns with your current ramblings. You would take that, right?
If someone offered me a huge amount of money to do things I already do for much less, I would question why they would do such a thing.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 10:35:42 AM
I'm sure Ron Johnson and Tucker are embarrassed, then?
Speaking of Ron...
https://x.com/heartlandsignal/status/1831714244485587032?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Right wing media is a grift. How much did Fox News, Alex Jones, Rudy Giuliani have to pay for flat out lying? These guys shilling for Putin is one of the least surprising things I have heard. I accused one of our 'disrupters' of being a Russian bot 8-9 years ago. Probably not a bot, but clearly a shill.
Pimping for the most evil man on the planet, pimping for a deadly virus, same clowns, same circus, same level of pathetic.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 02:29:51 PM
If someone offered me a huge amount of money to do things I already do for much less, I would question why they would do such a thing.
Because the world needs more people like you. We love your messaging and want to help you continue to have your voice in the world. With our help, you could expand your reach 10x.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 02:32:26 PM
Speaking of Ron...
https://x.com/heartlandsignal/status/1831714244485587032?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
"I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory ..."
Yep, and there's a reason for that Ron.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 02:25:43 PM
Thats actually a very interesting and good read on what he's doing right now. And the nature of Twitter makes it so dangerously easy and fast to make flippant comments and, much more problematically, endorsements of stuff with no nuance or greater picture.
He in a general sense reminds of a situation I had with a friend from college. He was from a smaller town in Ohio, first in his family to go to college and only one of his good friends who went further than the local CC. His stepdad was a friendly guy but unabashedly racist. Not dropping hard R bombs, but not at all subtle in his referencing of offensive stereotype, blaming minorities for any number of things, etc... His friends from HS were very similar. Really fun/friendly dudes (in your late teens early 20s) who were loyal and generous, but intensely problematic in their views and outright statements on anything racial. Didn't really connect until they kind of bristled when they visited us at school and realized one of our closest friends in the dorm was a AA football player.
My friend is and was a great dude, intelligent and compassionate, not racist in anyway...but pretty consistently excused or tried to explain away some of the stuff his stepdad or friends said or expressed, didn't see why it was wrong, blamed things on "different perspectives being from (hometown)". Anyone who knew him (and that fact that he was a dorm representative in a multicultural alliance group on campus) could tell you he wasn't anything like them, but if you didn't, it wasn't hard to chalk him up to at least being an apologist or sympathizer. Unfortunately, his mother passed away in his early 20s, but that combined with a not great reception to an Indian GF he had shortly after her death kind of snapped him out of all of that and made him realize where he kind of had went wrong, thankfully.
Now lord knows Elon hasn't done anything to deserve benefit of the doubt like my friend had and has shown now positive character arc otherwise. But I always use it as my reference point in the idea that if you gladhand or don't explicitly distance yourself from toxic people, ideologies, or arguments, no matter "good" you are under it all, you're going to rightly be locked with them arm in arm in the perception of everyone else.
This absolutely contributes to the manifestation of Elon's downward spiral if for no other reason than for the first time in human history (well, like within the last 10-20 years), a person can have unfettered access to a medium that communicates to the entire world *AND* does so instantly with zero burden. Patrick Wyman (historian/podcaster) did a really interesting series on Martin Luther in which he posited that Luther was the closest thing that era had to a poster. Dude just wrote tract after tract after tract attacking his opponents and it was his access to the printing press that made it possible. Elon has that on steroids. His id is a button-press away from being shared to the entire world not just to wherever the pamphleteer can run broadsheets to. And it is abundantly clear that there is no one on earth with the ability to constrain his id.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 01:25:59 PM
If someone came to me and offered me a lot of money to do sketchy stuff? I would hope so.
Thank you. I had the same thought without even needing to think about it.
Quote from: Jockey on September 05, 2024, 03:08:33 PM
Thank you. I had the same thought without even needing to think about it.
I saw someone post something like "someone offers you $400k to only post 4 videos a week the BEST case scenario, you're working for a drug cartel"
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 03:12:43 PM
I saw someone post something like "someone offers you $400k to only post 4 videos a week the BEST case scenario, you're working for a drug cartel"
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66332.msg1674825#msg1674825
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 03:21:10 PM
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66332.msg1674825#msg1674825
lol, great minds. my bad.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 02:32:26 PM
Speaking of Ron...
https://x.com/heartlandsignal/status/1831714244485587032?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
The Great Depression was setup by FDR and the deep state. That's just common knowledge. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Obama was involved, too.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 03:46:30 PM
The Great Depression was setup by FDR and the deep state. That's just common knowledge. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Obama was involved, too.
It's still very, very suspicious that he wasn't in the Oval Office on 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPfRGJRMbN8
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 05, 2024, 03:52:49 PM
It's still very, very suspicious that he wasn't in the Oval Office on 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPfRGJRMbN8
Where was he when JFK was shot?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 04:04:34 PM
Where was he when JFK was shot?
In Dallas. Involved in a homosexual relationship with Ted Cruz's father.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 05, 2024, 04:06:29 PM
In Dallas. Involved in a homosexual relationship with Ted Cruz's father.
People forget Ted Cruz is from Cuba and not an American citizen
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 04:12:37 PM
People forget Ted Cruz is from Cuba and not an American citizen
Ted's real name is Raphael, and that "Ted" was born in Calgary, Canada.
His dad was the son of a Canary Islander who immigrated to Cuba... and he then overstayed his visa after attending UT Austin and then applied for political asylum.
So, you can see the hypocrisy of "Ted" and his family on full display.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2024, 04:12:37 PM
People forget Ted Cruz is from Cuba and not an American citizen
Lucy Rohden is all of us.
(https://i.imgur.com/VJiGhTR.gif)
It's amazing that 50% of America leans to the right and 95% of Scoop posters lean to the left
Why? A whole lot of Jesuit education here.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 05, 2024, 04:48:14 PM
It's amazing that 50% of America leans to the right and 95% of Scoop posters lean to the left
Scoop isn't real life. Just like how a majority of real life dentists aren't racist conspiracy theorists!
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 05, 2024, 04:48:14 PM
It's amazing that 50% of America leans to the right and 95% of Scoop posters lean to the left
You're not truthin'.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 05, 2024, 04:48:14 PM
It's amazing that 50% of America leans to the right and 95% of Scoop posters lean to the left
I'm guessing because most of us are college educated.
That said, disdain for Ted Cruz ought to be apolitical.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 05, 2024, 03:05:30 PM
This absolutely contributes to the manifestation of Elon's downward spiral if for no other reason than for the first time in human history (well, like within the last 10-20 years), a person can have unfettered access to a medium that communicates to the entire world *AND* does so instantly with zero burden. Patrick Wyman (historian/podcaster) did a really interesting series on Martin Luther in which he posited that Luther was the closest thing that era had to a poster. Dude just wrote tract after tract after tract attacking his opponents and it was his access to the printing press that made it possible. Elon has that on steroids. His id is a button-press away from being shared to the entire world not just to wherever the pamphleteer can run broadsheets to. And it is abundantly clear that there is no one on earth with the ability to constrain his id.
The US society and economy has done a good job convincing people who are successful and intelligent about certain things that they know better than everyone else about all the other things as well. That, combined with it being lucrative to also be sycophants of said people, create unholy echo chambers such as what Musk is in now.
Just because someone is wealthy, doesn't mean they aren't bigoted or grossly incurious about numerous topics. Many Americans gravitate towards the "they have money, they must know better" and it's a slippery slope.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 05, 2024, 04:48:14 PM
It's amazing that 50% of America leans to the right and 95% of Scoop posters lean to the left
Not sure this would've been true under Reagan or even GWB. When one party keeps moving the median farther right in a comical way and anyone who doesn't get with it becomes a RINO (McCain, Romney, Cheney) then it of course makes more people seem left to those that did go farther right.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2024, 04:58:49 PM
That said, disdain for Ted Cruz ought to be apolitical.
Moreso, you'd think disdain for Russian propaganda would be apolitical. At least I think it is.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 05:14:34 PM
Moreso, you'd think disdain for Russian propaganda would be apolitical. At least I think it is.
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 05:14:34 PM
Moreso, you'd think disdain for Russian propaganda would be apolitical. At least I think it is.
100%
Foreign interference in elections from anywhere benefitting either party should be an apolitical point. There's little doubt is a two-way street.
Can you imagine the party of Reagan siding with the leader of Russia?
Quote from: tower912 on September 05, 2024, 05:34:26 PM
Can you imagine the party of Reagan siding with the leader of Russia?
Reagan was a RINO
The party of Reagan just keeps pushing Russian propaganda and backs a man who does the same.
When will any of these guys stand up and say "enough!!!"
Kinzinger, Cheney, Hogan.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 05, 2024, 07:08:33 PM
The party of Reagan just keeps pushing Russian propaganda and backs a man who does the same.
It's not that simple. Russia will do whatever it takes to create chaos. "Both sides" have fallen for it.
The important thing is that you realize that you have become a pawn. Some people lack in that self awareness.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 07:15:11 PM
It's not that simple. Russia will do whatever it takes to create chaos. "Both sides" have fallen for it.
The important thing is that you realize that you have become a pawn. Some people lack in that self awareness.
Luckily, I'm an evangelical Christian and can't be swayed by propaganda
Me to a conservative friend in 2016: You know you are just parroting Russian propaganda, right?
Him: Nah, they are parroting me.
Quote from: tower912 on September 05, 2024, 07:21:58 PM
Me to a conservative friend in 2016: You know you are just parroting Russian propaganda, right?
Him: Nah, they are parroting me.
Yes indeed.
These pathetic fucks are now all CYA, "how we possibly have known these insane sums were tainted?"
But you know what they aren't doing? They aren't disavowing the actual content...because they 100% believe in and align with Russia.
As does Tuckems, as does Musk, as does one of the major party candidates for President who has consistently sided with Russia over the U.S.
There's clearly a LOT of money out there for anyone on the right who wants to make money
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 07:54:37 PM
There's clearly a LOT of money out there for anyone on the right who wants to make money
Again. Careful. There's a lot of money in Russian disinformation. Right wingers called out this time.
Quote from: tower912 on September 05, 2024, 05:34:26 PM
Can you imagine the party of Reagan siding with the leader of Russia?
Intentionally? No. The party of Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris? Yes.
But also, like Rocky says, neither party is immune from being duped.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 05, 2024, 08:07:27 PM
Intentionally? No. The party of Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris? Yes.
But also, like Rocky says, neither party is immune from being duped.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*catches breath*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thank you, Lenny.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 05, 2024, 08:07:27 PM
Intentionally? No. The party of Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris? Yes.
But also, like Rocky says, neither party is immune from being duped.
Yes, I hate it when Bernie and Kamala keep siding with Putin. Yes, indeed.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 07:57:38 PM
Again. Careful. There's a lot of money in Russian disinformation. Right wingers called out this time.
I guess I'm not seeing a lot of "rich" lefty/progressive voices.
Like $400k/month rich.
TYT might be the most well off?
And even beyond Russia, there's a TON of wealthy/elite money from US sources for similar voices.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 05, 2024, 08:07:27 PM
Intentionally? No. The party of Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris? Yes.
There are social agendas you may or may not disagree with.
And then there is Russia. You can't be pro Russia.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 08:16:39 PM
There are social agendas you may or may not disagree with.
And then there is Russia. You can't be pro Russia.
Dang it Ron Johnson!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 05, 2024, 08:07:27 PM
Intentionally? No. The party of Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris? Yes.
But also, like Rocky says, neither party is immune from being duped.
I guess projection is easier than introspection
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 08:16:21 PM
And even beyond Russia, there's a TON of wealthy/elite money from US sources for similar voices.
Don't get me wrong China likes to create US political problem too. Lots of money in creating political turmoil.
But if money is flowing for those purposes, it's probably originating from those two sources... Or dumb people that believe them.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 05, 2024, 08:20:52 PM
I guess projection is easier than introspection
"Florida Man Says Republican Support for Russia Unintentional, Really Democrats Who Keep Siding With Putin"
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 08:16:21 PM
I guess I'm not seeing a lot of "rich" lefty/progressive voices.
Like $400k/month rich.
TYT might be the most well off?
And even beyond Russia, there's a TON of wealthy/elite money from US sources for similar voices.
Then you're not really looking. There are tons of lefty/progressive accounts with 500K+ Twitter followers, plenty with more.
There are also "progressive" accounts that have been called out in the Russian web that was spoken about the last few days. The difference is they are REALLY far left that they think the Dems/The US government aren't liberal enough so they hate on them too.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 09:33:39 PM
Then you're not really looking. There are tons of lefty/progressive accounts with 500K+ Twitter followers, plenty with more.
There are also "progressive" accounts that have been called out in the Russian web that was spoken about the last few days. The difference is they are REALLY far left that they think the Dems/The US government aren't liberal enough so they hate on them too.
Fair.
I suppose I'm considering those that would be considered the progressive/left equivalents of rubin, pool, etc.
I wouldn't consider rubin/pool/etc to be super far right.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 09:42:03 PM
I might not understand.
Does 500k Twitter followers make one $400k/month wealthy?
There's probably also a difference if someone is being paid by an outside source directly vs building followers organically resulting in revenue generation
https://buzzoid.com/buy-instagram-followers/
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:46:15 PM
https://buzzoid.com/buy-instagram-followers/
Well you'd have to have money up front to be able to afford that, no?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 05, 2024, 08:07:27 PM
Intentionally? No. The party of Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris? Yes.
But also, like Rocky says, neither party is immune from being duped.
It was so weird how Tucker got lost on his vacation and wound up in Moscow spewing pro-Russian propaganda.
Or how the party's standard bearer mistakenly said Russia can do "whatever the hell it wants" to certain NATO members.
Or how that same guy forgot to condemn the murder of Alexei Navalny.
Whoops!
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 09:47:11 PM
Well you'd have to have money up front to be able to afford that, no?
A couple hundred thousand followers for a couple hundred bucks.
Are you guys actually living under rocks?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:49:29 PM
A couple hundred thousand followers for a couple hundred bucks.
Are you guys actually living under rocks?
So does 500k Twitter followers equate to $400k/month income?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 09:42:03 PM
I might not understand.
Does 500k Twitter followers make one $400k/month wealthy?
There's probably also a difference if someone is being paid by an outside source directly vs building followers organically resulting in revenue generation
I'm not talking about their "organic" revenue sources from Twitter payouts or brand deals or anything. But those sort of followings are the threshold to become attractive to that sort of outside influence/source. Its enough to have plenty of eyeballs and also get the engagement that triggers algorithms to push the content to the front.
Its not like that clown Tim Pool is a Kardashian or Cristiano Ronaldo that has 50MM+ followers. He has 2MM. There are plenty of lefty shill/propogandist voices that have numbers approaching that.
EDIT:
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 09:51:13 PM
So does 500k Twitter followers equate to $400k/month income?
What are you even talking about?
The $400K is supposedly what people were getting paid by Russian proxies. They viewed the people that they targeted with that sort of follower amount as worthwhile for that sort of sum.
You claimed, I guess, that there were no leftist voices that were making $400K from social media a month (which alone isn't remotely true at all). Which isn't what we were talking about. I was stating that there are plenty of people on the opposite side of the fence who have followings/influence equal to that of people being named the last few days that would attract (and likely have attracted) offers of that nature.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 09:51:13 PM
So does 500k Twitter followers equate to $400k/month income?
No, but you'd take it if it only involved refuting destists takes on muscoop.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 09:52:07 PM
I'm not talking about their "organic" revenue sources from Twitter payouts or brand deals or anything. But those sort of followings are the threshold to become attractive to that sort of outside influence/source. Its enough to have plenty of eyeballs and also get the engagement that triggers algorithms to push the content to the front.
Its not like that clown Tim Pool is a Kardashian or Cristiano Ronaldo that has 50MM+ followers. He has 2MM. There are plenty of lefty shill/propogandist voices that have numbers approaching that.
I understand.
My OP was my own observations that more mainstream right commentators seem significantly well funded compared to equivalents on the left, regardless of funding source.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2024, 09:52:07 PM
I'm not talking about their "organic" revenue sources from Twitter payouts or brand deals or anything. But those sort of followings are the threshold to become attractive to that sort of outside influence/source. Its enough to have plenty of eyeballs and also get the engagement that triggers algorithms to push the content to the front.
Its not like that clown Tim Pool is a Kardashian or Cristiano Ronaldo that has 50MM+ followers. He has 2MM. There are plenty of lefty shill/propogandist voices that have numbers approaching that.
EDIT:
What are you even talking about?
The $400K is supposedly what people were getting paid by Russian proxies. They viewed the people that they targeted with that sort of follower amount as worthwhile for that sort of sum.
You claimed, I guess, that there were no leftist voices that were making $400K from social media a month (which alone isn't remotely true at all). Which isn't what we were talking about. I was stating that there are plenty of people on the opposite side of the fence who have followings/influence equal to that of people being named the last few days that would attract (and likely have attracted) offers of that nature.
Response to your edit: sorry if my OP was a verbal mess. I was simply trying to compare/contrast funding of equivalent right and left commentators.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 09:52:47 PM
No, but you'd take it if it only involved refuting destists takes on muscoop.
I'd do that for $400k smackers if you're offering.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 05, 2024, 10:25:58 PM
I'd do that for $400k smackers if you're offering.
How do you know they're not already making that to incite you?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 05, 2024, 10:27:04 PM
How do you know they're not already making that to incite you?
The conspiracy runs deep...damn...
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 05, 2024, 10:28:35 PM
The conspiracy runs deep...damn...
To be fair, I'm not offering. I'm greedy.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 05, 2024, 04:48:14 PM
It's amazing that 50% of America leans to the right and 95% of Scoop posters lean to the left
50% doesn't lean right. It's closer to 30% but it is a very loud and very dedicated 30%.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2024, 09:58:46 PM
I understand.
My OP was my own observations that more mainstream right commentators seem significantly well funded compared to equivalents on the left, regardless of funding source.
Well, you're right. I'm not sure which 'lefties' are close to being mainstream as well as well funded.
Unless we're just naming cable news anchors. If anyone could drop some names, that'd be fine. If I go on Twitter, YouTube, etc, who will I find with the reach of a Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Steven Crowder, etc?
We live in a very much center right nation globally speaking.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 06:42:04 AM
Well, you're right. I'm not sure which 'lefties' are close to being mainstream as well as well funded.
Unless we're just naming cable news anchors. If anyone could drop some names, that'd be fine. If I go on Twitter, YouTube, etc, who will I find with the reach of a Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Steven Crowder, etc?
We live in a very much center right nation globally speaking.
*maybe* (probably not) Maddow?
Robert Evans (who is an anarchist that is constantly critical of the Democratic party) is about 272k followers on twitter.
The Young Turks (who may have been mentioned earlier) but I'm not sure anyone actually takes them seriously. Anyone who takes Cenk seriously needs to be lobotomized.
Pod Save America?
Colbert/Stewart/Kimmel?
I guess maybe the only way this equivalence holds if you take any media or entertainment personality who is not explicitly right wing and assume that they are left wing, then you would get an output like "well obviously Beyonce/Taylor Swift/Robert Downey Jr/[all top 100 celebrities by following not named "Chris Pratt" have more combined cultural and social media reach than the combined reach of the Ben Shapiro online right."
But, specifically within the "communicate politically for overt political reasons" I would venture to say the right has exponentially more reach than the left. Maybe this is a legacy of right wing talk radio evolving into the current media environment. Maybe it's because lefties are kinda annoying to listen to talk about left wing stuff. Maybe it's because left wing media invariably coalesces into a circular firing squad rather than unifying into a mass movement (bolsheviks vs menchaviks style).
As an aside, it wasn't until I started occasionally listening to "left wing" people that I learned exactly how much "the left" hates liberals/Democrats. It's a fascinating gradation that is utterly invisible when the baseline in this country is that if you're left of Scott Walker you're a "radical leftist."
Yes, exactly. I follow a lot of lefties. Be it pocasts, or political commentators, or youtubers, etc... and I have no idea who Robert Evans is.
And none of the lefties even come close to anything on the right. Shapiro has 7m+ youtube followers and 6.9m twitter followers.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 06, 2024, 10:01:16 AM
Yes, exactly. I follow a lot of lefties. Be it pocasts, or political commentators, or youtubers, etc... and I have no idea who Robert Evans is.
And none of the lefties even come close to anything on the right. Shapiro has 7m+ youtube followers and 6.9m twitter followers.
And a dry wife
I will be curious to see if the DOJ presents other instances of Russian interference and disinformation. It stands to reason that this is not a one-off.
https://www.wired.com/story/project-good-old-usa-russia-2024-election/
Quote from: tower912 on September 06, 2024, 10:16:44 AM
I will be curious to see if the DOJ presents other instances of Russian interference and disinformation. It stands to reason that this is not a one-off.
It will all be a witch hunt and a hoax.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on September 06, 2024, 12:09:49 PM
https://www.wired.com/story/project-good-old-usa-russia-2024-election/
Fascinating. And, mostly successful I guess
QuoteThe Good Old USA plan openly admits that "none of the significant American politicians can be considered pro-Russian or pro-Putin," and so rather than focus its efforts on trying to convince people that Russia is great, the plan called for promoting the idea that the US should be focusing its resources less on Ukraine and more on domestic issues, such as rising inflation and high gas prices.
LOL, always the victims.
"They were victims, they were targets of a fraud in which someone posing as just a regular investor had Russian money behind them." -- Marco Rubio
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 06, 2024, 01:39:17 PM
LOL, always the victims.
"They were victims, they were targets of a fraud in which someone posing as just a regular investor had Russian money behind them." -- Marco Rubio
And I'm sure they never once wondered why their compensation so far outpaced their video metrics.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 06, 2024, 01:39:17 PM
LOL, always the victims.
"They were victims, they were targets of a fraud in which someone posing as just a regular investor had Russian money behind them." -- Marco Rubio
He's just covering his own ass for when his russian investors become public. "See, it can happen to anyone!"
Quote from: Pakuni on September 06, 2024, 01:44:17 PM
And I'm sure they never once wondered why their compensation so far outpaced their video metrics.
I'm sure they'll also do the right thing and return the money or donate it to a good cause.
Tenet Media folded today.
We're officially in the Upside Down world now.
Dick Cheney will be voting for Kamala.
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Quote from: Jockey on September 06, 2024, 04:02:49 PM
We're officially in the Upside Down world now.
Dick Cheney will be voting for Kamala.
I guess a fascist white christian nationalist U.S. is a step too far even for war criminal Cheney.
Much as I detest Dick, I never thought that he was actively working against the United States as are the Russiapublicans.
Ron Johnson blames all this - and everything else he doesn't like - on the Deep State.
Evidence? Can't produce any. Why? Because the State is too Deep.