Terrible news, aina?
This ended up being very accurate.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/07/biden-dropout-trump-election-college-football-coach-fired.html
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 21, 2024, 12:56:57 PM
Terrible news, aina?
Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
Gonna be quite the dog and pony show now, hey?
Conspiracy me always wondered if that weirdly odd early debate was agreed to by the Democrats as a way to eventually get Biden off the ticket.
(https://i.imgur.com/lSeJyDh.gif)
But he's still gonna be President for 6 months?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 01:03:06 PM
This ended up being very accurate.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/07/biden-dropout-trump-election-college-football-coach-fired.html
Inevitability is tough to defeat.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PM
Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
We'll see Herman but I would say Dems increased their chances.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 01:23:55 PM
But he's still gonna be President for 6 months?
Yes, running a country and winning an election are two very different things. And if he's incapable of running the country, I trust him to leave it to people who are capable.
And yeah, democrats certainly increased their chances today. It was over if Biden stayed in the running. Now the party at least has a chance of getting the base excited for a few months.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PM
Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
Yep, it may be the biggest own goal in history
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PM
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/are-you-serious-spiderman-gif.71216/full)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 01:27:19 PM
We'll see Herman but I would say Dems increased their chances.
Dems will put up phony moderates/swing state govs to fool the voters.
Dems better at politics . Dems =Road Runner Republicans =Wiley Coyote
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PM
Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
Im 100% sure you have no idea what communism is and are just parroting talking points.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 21, 2024, 01:31:16 PM
Im 100% sure you have no idea what communism is and are just parroting talking points.
Herman is a troll.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:31:07 PM
Dems better at politics . Dems =Road Runner Republicans =Wiley Coyote
Of all your takes, this may be your most hilarious.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 21, 2024, 01:19:06 PM
Conspiracy me always wondered if that weirdly odd early debate was agreed to by the Democrats as a way to eventually get Biden off the ticket.
I don't know about that, but I do wonder if Biden agreed to drop out days ago, but waited until the Sunday after the RNC so the Dems suck up all the oxygen in the room.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 21, 2024, 01:31:16 PM
Im 100% sure you have no idea what communism is and are just parroting talking points.
C'mon, wasn't Biden best friends with Putin?
Quote from: BM1090 on July 21, 2024, 01:29:57 PM
Yes, running a country and winning an election are two very different things. And if he's incapable of running the country, I trust him to leave it to people who are capable.
And yeah, democrats certainly increased their chances today. It was over if Biden stayed in the running. Now the party at least has a chance of getting the base excited for a few months.
So, will every Democrat now admit that dumping Biden had zero to do with his personal health? If he was in a coma and up in the polls would he still be running? He wins the primary, with 14 million people voting for him, but all of a sudden there's an epiphany after the debate debacle? You have to admire how steadfast the Dems are about protecting Democracy.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 01:37:15 PM
So, will every Democrat now admit that dumping Biden had zero to do with his personal health? If he was in a coma and up in the polls would he still be running? He wins the primary, with 14 million people voting for him, but all of a sudden there's an epiphany after the debate debacle? You have to admire how steadfast the Dems are about protecting Democracy.
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 21, 2024, 01:19:06 PM
Conspiracy me always wondered if that weirdly odd early debate was agreed to by the Democrats as a way to eventually get Biden off the ticket.
Or maybe just risk mitigation in case they needed time to regroup, which is what it seems to have done.
The Dems are playing a a dicey game with their base. I know some Dems who are still smarting from the Clinton nomination. So, I don't see this as some grand plan to get Biden out and circumvent the democratic primaries. I think they are trying to deal with the state of the polls, looking for the best/only path to victory and hope the results justify the means.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 01:50:20 PM
The Dems are playing a a dicey game with their base. I know some Dems who are still smarting from the Clinton nomination. So, I don't see this as some grand plan to get Biden out and circumvent the democratic primaries. I think they are trying to deal with the state of the polls, looking for the best/only path to victory and hope the results justify the means; IF they do push Biden out, which I personally doubt.
Uh...refresh your Twitter feed.
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.
Quote from: Goose on July 21, 2024, 01:56:10 PM
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.
I hope there's a surprise candidate, because I don't see Harris flipping any of the states they need.
Quote from: Goose on July 21, 2024, 01:56:10 PM
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.
It's already tougher.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 01:55:24 PM
Just edited my post ;D
I didn't want to be the one to tell you. ;D
One thing is very clear- when the megadonors shut off the spigot, a candidate is toast. Even if you are a sitting president running for reelection. I'm not sure Biden would have dropped out without the megadonors bailing on him.
There are some basic similarities between business and politics. The most obvious one is marketing. Now is a good time to remind readers to note one of my signatures. OK....
regardless of your opinion of the candidates now and 8 years ago....the Republicans have a candidate that they are excited about. Hillary was promoted heavily by Democratic powers in 2016. After the Big Surprise, many Democratic voters said they stayed home because they "did not like her".
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)
The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.
As always, character revealed.
What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 02:00:26 PM
It's already tougher.
Agreed. But the Dems are going have to play this perfectly even if victory is no longer possible. Pulling the choice from Democratic voters could create some issues beyond November.
I'm far from any type of expert, but I'd guess they will have to poll Dems to death before picking a candidate.
Can you say Hillary?
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)
The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.
As always, character revealed.
What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
Chill out. Trump is embarrassing but the Hitler comments are embarrassing too.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:08:50 PM
Agreed. But the Dems are going have to play this perfectly even if victory is no longer possible. Pulling the choice from Democratic voters could create some issues beyond November.
I'm far from any type of expert, but I'd guess they will have to poll Dems to death before picking a candidate.
1. There wasn't really a choice. It's not like people are upset they could have voted for Dean Phillips instead.
2. I guaranty a HUGE majority of people who voted for Biden in the primary are happy that he withdrew. There aren't many Joe Biden fanboys out there.
3. Yes, they will have to play this perfectly. It's still very much uphill for the Dems.
Quote from: Goose on July 21, 2024, 01:56:10 PM
The Dem's know how to play politics. I am fully expecting a surprise candidate prior to the convention. I think Trump's path to victory might get tougher in the upcoming weeks.
Goose,
I don't think they can have a surprise candidate. If they have an open convention, and in effect pass over Harris , it would open up another can of worms within the party.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 21, 2024, 02:06:17 PMAfter the Big Surprise, many Democratic voters said they stayed home because they "did not like her".
Hillary won the popular vote by almost three million...not sure "many" stayed home.
Quote from: MU1in77 on July 21, 2024, 02:11:55 PM
Can you say Hillary?
I can, but it won't be Hillary.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:08:50 PM
Agreed. But the Dems are going have to play this perfectly even if victory is no longer possible. Pulling the choice from Democratic voters could create some issues beyond November.
I'm far from any type of expert, but I'd guess they will have to poll Dems to death before picking a candidate.
The large majority of Democratic voters wanted Biden to drop out.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)
The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.
As always, character revealed.
What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
With all due respect, patriotism didn't play a role in this decision.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:18:51 PM
With all due respect, patriotism didn't play a role in this decision.
Yeah, and the Hitler stuff is just hyperbolic nonsense. People are having a nice, level discussion here and MU82 has to enter with his usual bomb-throwing. He is incapable of serious discussion on this issue.
nm
Quote from: ChuckyChip on July 21, 2024, 02:17:41 PM
Hillary won the popular vote by almost three million...not sure "many" stayed home.
SO what? I guess you do not understand how our presidents are elected. She lost in too many states and therefore lost in the EC. You may want to read the constitution.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:15:10 PM
1. There wasn't really a choice. It's not like people are upset they could have voted for Dean Phillips instead.
2. I guaranty a HUGE majority of people who voted for Biden in the primary are happy that he withdrew. There aren't many Joe Biden fanboys out there.
3. Yes, they will have to play this perfectly. It's still very much uphill for the Dems.
I agree with all of this. The decision should have been made 1 year ago and allow the voters to pick the candidate. But, what is done, is done.
If the Dems pick right and Trumps messes up, which is entirely possible, this could be a great move. IMO, both need to happen, not just one or the other.
Will Trump agree to another debate? I think he will want to but his people and party will advise him not to.
Hillary was a terrible choice and ran a terrible campaign. They aren't countering the "too old" narrative around Biden by running a 76 year old failed candidate. Not to mention the Clinton grip on the party died its last death with the Donna Brazile-concocted effort to fast track Biden's nomination last week.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 01:37:15 PM
So, will every Democrat now admit that dumping Biden had zero to do with his personal health? If he was in a coma and up in the polls would he still be running? He wins the primary, with 14 million people voting for him, but all of a sudden there's an epiphany after the debate debacle? You have to admire how steadfast the Dems are about protecting Democracy.
Don't you claim to not like Trump but we're going to vote for him because Biden was worse? Shouldn't this be welcome news for you? You'll have another option to vote for!
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 02:18:38 PM
The large majority of Democratic voters wanted Biden to drop out.
I agree 100%. My point is that many Dems will feel disenfranchised if
their current choice is not picked. Their candidate may not be the best choice but they could feel like the party passed over their person without the benefit of a vote.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)
The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.
As always, character revealed.
What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
He was forced out because he couldn't win. The money dried up. Nothing patriotic about this career politician's announcement, aina?
Could realistically the Dems put Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, or Whitmer out there? This is going to be an insane few months if Kamala Harris isn't the candidate.
I'm hoping golf handicap is a primary decision in who the democrats nominate.
In all seriousness, it will be interesting to see if there's a debate with the new candidate and how different it goes for Trump with somebody quicker on their feet.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:30:53 PM
I agree 100%. My point is that many Dems will feel disenfranchised if their current choice is not picked. Their candidate may not be the best choice but they could feel like the party passed over their person without the benefit of a vote.
I think they'll get over it. I doubt many Gretchen Whitmer fans are voting for Trump, or sitting this out, if the party nominates someone else.
This is overwhelmingly good news for the Democrats, no matter how you spin it. It's possible they still lose in November, but this gives them a fighting chance, something they didn't have 24 hours ago.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 21, 2024, 02:30:07 PM
Don't you claim to not like Trump but we're going to vote for him because Biden was worse? Shouldn't this be welcome news for you? You'll have another option to vote for!
It's possible if it's not Kamala Harris.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:30:53 PM
I agree 100%. My point is that many Dems will feel disenfranchised if their current choice is not picked. Their candidate may not be the best choice but they could feel like the party passed over their person without the benefit of a vote.
Apparently, only Harris is entitled to get the 91 mil that is sitting in the bank, because she is part of the Biden-Harris campaign. Anyone know if this is correct?
I'm watching to see if the powers in the Democratic party are willing to seriously consider anyone other than Harris and, if so, get a feel for who their voters would like. Otherwise, Harris could be the new Hillary.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 21, 2024, 02:35:50 PM
Apparently, only Harris is entitled to get the 91 mil that is sitting in the bank, because she is part of the Biden-Harris campaign. Anyone know if this is correct?
Yes, but it could be transferred to an "independent" Super Pac if she is not the nominee.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:18:51 PM
With all due respect, patriotism didn't play a role in this decision.
With all due respect, we disagree. If you think it's easy for a person to willingly surrender the presidency, I guess you missed what happened in the winter of 2021. President Biden's decision was selfless and patriotic.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 21, 2024, 02:31:01 PM
He was forced out because he couldn't win. The money dried up. Nothing patriotic about this career politician's announcement, aina?
You think calling the vice president a coward on 1/6/21 was "patriotic," so you're not the best judge of what is and isn't patriotic.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:37:45 PM
Yes, but it could be transferred to an "independent" Super Pac if she is not the nominee.
Thanks. It did not seem logical to me that the money was inaccessible, but I did not know how that would work.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:31:22 PM
Could realistically the Dems put Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, or Whitmer out there? This is going to be an insane few months if Kamala Harris isn't the candidate.
1. They can put anyone they want out there.
2. Why?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:24:25 PM
I agree with all of this. The decision should have been made 1 year ago and allow the voters to pick the candidate. But, what is done, is done.
If the Dems pick right and Trumps messes up, which is entirely possible, this could be a great move. IMO, both need to happen, not just one or the other.
Will Trump agree to another debate? I think he will want to but his people and party will advise him not to.
I think it goes well beyond that WT. There has to be some accountability regarding why he ran for a 2nd term and the media coddling/ lying about him and his cognition issues for at least two years.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:38:32 PM
With all due respect, we disagree. If you think it's easy for a person to willingly surrender the presidency, I guess you missed what happened in the winter of 2021. President Biden's decision was selfless and patriotic.
Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 02:39:23 PM
1. They can put anyone they want out there.
2. Why?
I just don't think the vast majority of the general public have any idea who there are or their views.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:42:04 PM
I just don't think the vast majority of the general public have any idea who there are or their views.
LOL, that could be helpful.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:41:24 PM
Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.
Ya......I don't understand his take at all Fluffy. It seems rather obvious what happened.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:43:16 PM
LOL, that could be helpful.
Fair point! Maybe they can have like a reality TV show with 6 candidates? :)
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 02:35:11 PM
I think they'll get over it. I doubt many Gretchen Whitmer fans are voting for Trump, or sitting this out, if the party nominates someone else.
This is overwhelmingly good news for the Democrats, no matter how you spin it. It's possible they still lose in November, but this gives them a fighting chance, something they didn't have 24 hours ago.
I don't think I was spinning anything. I agreed that, without even knowing who the candidate will be, Trump's path just got harder and I laid out how the Dems could win. I agreed the Dems didn't have much of a choice. I simply pointed out that forcing out Biden leaves the Dems in a position where they have to be essentially perfect going forward to win and possibly avoid upsetting some of their base.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 01:34:07 PM
I don't know about that, but I do wonder if Biden agreed to drop out days ago, but waited until the Sunday after the RNC so the Dems suck up all the oxygen in the room.
I think that is spot on. Once Pelosi met with Biden, it was inevitable.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:48:28 PM
I don't think I was spinning anything. I agreed that, without even knowing who the candidate will be, Trump's path just got harder and I laid out how the Dems could win. I agreed the Dems didn't have much of a choice. I simply pointed out that forcing out Biden leaves the Dems in a position where they have to be essentially perfect going forward to win and possibly avoid upsetting some of their base.
They're going to upset part of their base no matter who they choose, but your point is valid that their margin for error is very small. It will be interesting to see if the Dems actually have accepted that the voters, NOT them, will make or break them. That's why I said that Harris may be the new Hillary if Harris is not who the voters want. Instead of 2016 being a cakewalk for Hillary, she got the cake shoved in her face.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:38:32 PM
With all due respect, we disagree. If you think it's easy for a person to willingly surrender the presidency, I guess you missed what happened in the winter of 2021. President Biden's decision was selfless and patriotic.
You think calling the vice president a coward on 1/6/21 was "patriotic," so you're not the best judge of what is and isn't patriotic.
It was obvious when da Buffoon crapprd himself at da debate that he was unelectable. Nothing patriotic here, hey?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 21, 2024, 03:00:59 PM
They're going to upset part of their base no matter who they choose, but your point is valid that their margin for error is very small. It will be interesting to see if the Dems actually have accepted that the voters, NOT them, will make or break them. That's why I said that Harris may be the new Hillary if Harris is not who the voters want. Instead of 2016 being a cakewalk for Hillary, she got the cake shoved in her face.
The only two Democratic Presidents to be re-elected since 1964 were somewhat surprise candidates who emerged after contested primaries. Clinton and Obama. Their leadership anointing candidates usually doesn't work.
That being said, Trump is generally not popular. I mean, he lost four years ago. So the risk is clearly less because of that.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2024, 02:48:28 PM
I don't think I was spinning anything. I agreed that, without even knowing who the candidate will be, Trump's path just got harder and I laid out how the Dems could win. I agreed the Dems didn't have much of a choice. I simply pointed out that forcing out Biden leaves the Dems in a position where they have to be essentially perfect going forward to win and possibly avoid upsetting some of their base.
Just fyi meant "no matter how you spin it" is a global sense, not a you sense.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 21, 2024, 03:01:04 PM
It was obvious when da Buffoon crapprd himself at da debate that he was unelectable. Nothing patriotic here, hey?
Will be interesting to see who is pardoned in the coming days, weeks and months.
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 21, 2024, 01:58:39 PM
I hope there's a surprise candidate, because I don't see Harris flipping any of the states they need.
You're probably correct, but I do know quite a few folks that were unenthusiastic about Biden that will be enthusiastic about Harris (or any other candidate)
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:41:24 PM
Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.
Slight disagree. He absolutely dropped out because of pressure, but he didn't have to do it. It was still a selfless decision.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 03:06:57 PM
Just fyi meant "no matter how you spin it" is a global sense, not a you sense.
Got ya.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 21, 2024, 03:10:04 PM
Slight disagree. He absolutely dropped out because of pressure, but he didn't have to do it. It was still a selfless decision.
I only was commenting on his use of the word "patriotic."
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 02:41:24 PM
Dude, he dropped out because the leadership and money pressured him to. There was nothing patriotic about it. That's just nonsense.
Muggs and 4elder agree with ya, dude.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 21, 2024, 03:10:04 PM
Slight disagree. He absolutely dropped out because of pressure, but he didn't have to do it. It was still a selfless decision.
Yep.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 02:07:42 PM
The GOP candidate for president gets shot in the ear, and his archrival first releases a heartfelt statement wishing the GOP candidate a speedy recovery and later calls the GOP candidate to again wish him well. (Even the GOP candidate, who viscerally hates his rival, says it was a very nice call.)
The Dem candidate for president - who also is the sitting president of the United States - makes the very difficult decision to not run for re-election, and his archrival celebrates by taking a giant whiz all over the president with an angry, hate-filled, lie-filled screed.
As always, character revealed.
What Biden did today was 1,000 times more patriotic than anything America's Hitler has ever done in his entire self-serving life ... and it was a bazillion times more patriotic than America's Hitler fomenting a violent coup attempt against the United States.
Balanced assessment as usual. LOL
Quote from: BM1090 on July 21, 2024, 03:08:34 PM
You're probably correct, but I do know quite a few folks that were unenthusiastic about Biden that will be enthusiastic about Harris (or any other candidate)
I think the bolded part is true.
From Forbes:
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YouGov poll conducted July 3-6 found more Democrats and independents who lean Democrat prefer Biden over Harris as the nominee, 47% to 32%, while 21% said they weren't sure.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:35:34 PM
It's possible if it's not Kamala Harris.
I'm very confident you'll be told some reason why the eventual D candidate, whoever it is, is not palatable to you.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 02:35:34 PM
It's possible if it's not Kamala Harris.
Or someone with a D next to their name eh?
You don't say?
Campaign finance records show that Mr. Trump donated a total of $6,000 to Harris' campaigns for California attorney general, a few years before she went on to become a senator and then presidential candidate. He gave Harris $5,000 in 2011, and another $1,000 in 2013.
Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, donated $2,000 to Harris' campaign in 2014. And Mr. Trump's Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, gave $2,000 to Harris' Senate campaign in 2016. Harris served two terms as California's attorney general before she was elected to Congress.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-kamala-harris-campaign-donation-racism/
(And yes, I know rich people try to play both sides and pre-candidate Trump was no different. It's just funny)
Next Manchurian candidate up.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 03:27:54 PM
You don't say?
Campaign finance records show that Mr. Trump donated a total of $6,000 to Harris' campaigns for California attorney general, a few years before she went on to become a senator and then presidential candidate. He gave Harris $5,000 in 2011, and another $1,000 in 2013.
Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, donated $2,000 to Harris' campaign in 2014. And Mr. Trump's Treasury Secretary, Steve Mnuchin, gave $2,000 to Harris' Senate campaign in 2016. Harris served two terms as California's attorney general before she was elected to Congress.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-kamala-harris-campaign-donation-racism/
(And yes, I know rich people try to play both sides and pre-candidate Trump was no different. It's just funny)
I'm to lazy to look it up, but was Trump still a Democrat back then?
Tough to keep up with this thread. I anticipate this will be my only contribution.
HC, it's pretty clear you are way out of your element here but, as noted, likely just trolling.
Goose, I would disagree. The Ds have been getting out-politicked by the Rs for 8 years now. Ds keep bringing knives to gunfights. DJT's path got harder, but still the more likely result.
82, spot on and well said. You're getting grief about this being patriotic. Heck, one could even say Nixon's decision to resign was also patriotic.
WT, you are correct that a lot of pieces have to break in their favor for the Ds to come out ahead. The good news is that in the world of elections there is a lot of time for that to happen. Studies used to show that many voters do not make up their minds until the last 10 days before the election. I don't know if that is still true in these days of hardened opinions and early voting but it may be so for the crucial centrist bloc.
1in77, I've heard multiple times from Rs how there is a behind the scenes plan to make Hillary the nominee. People who think that are unfamiliar with the egos of successful politicians.
Muggsy, how do you know patriotism was not a factor? Are you wired into the JB inner circle? Face it, you have 100% speculation based on your political leanings.
Pakuni, correct about the fighting chance. The country will see what KH is made of.
Muggsy, all politicians have huge egos. No way KH passes up this opportunity.
Muggsy, since you've come to the conclusion that JB has cognition issues that were covered up would you say DJT also has cognition issues based on his numerous verbal miscues?
HC, it will be more interesting to see who DJT pardons if he is victorious including himself possibly. Are there specific individuals you are concerned about?
In conclusion...
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What will be interesting is if you're Pritzker/Buttigieg/Newsom/etc, and you eventually really want to be president, you almost have to seize this moment right now. My guess is all of them were eyeing a wide open 2028 election (no matter who won this November). Now all of a sudden, running in 2028 could (stressing could) be Harris for a second term. I don't think by any means Harris will be a slam dunk as the nominee.
Given how colossally wrong Herm is all the time, R's should be feeling good
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 21, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
What will be interesting is if you're Pritzker/Buttigieg/Newsom/etc, and you eventually really want to be president, you almost have to seize this moment right now. My guess is all of them were eyeing a wide open 2028 election (no matter who won this November). Now all of a sudden, running in 2028 could (stressing could) be Harris for a second term. I don't think by any means Harris will be a slam dunk as the nominee.
Gretchen Whitmer, who definitely wants to be president one day, already reiterated today through her surrogates that she definitely won't be a candidate in 2024. Not sure what others have said yet, if anything. Could be pretty good political theater ... or they all could fairly quickly line up behind Harris.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 21, 2024, 03:49:08 PM
Tough to keep up with this thread. I anticipate this will be my only contribution.
HC, it's pretty clear you are way out of your element here but, as noted, likely just trolling.
Goose, I would disagree. The Ds have been getting out-politicked by the Rs for 8 years now. Ds keep bringing knives to gunfights. DJT's path got harder, but still the more likely result.
82, spot on and well said. You're getting grief about this being patriotic. Heck, one could even say Nixon's decision to resign was also patriotic.
WT, you are correct that a lot of pieces have to break in their favor for the Ds to come out ahead. The good news is that in the world of elections there is a lot of time for that to happen. Studies used to show that many voters do not make up their minds until the last 10 days before the election. I don't know if that is still true in these days of hardened opinions and early voting but it may be so for the crucial centrist bloc.
1in77, I've heard multiple times from Rs how there is a behind the scenes plan to make Hillary the nominee. People who think that are unfamiliar with the egos of successful politicians.
Muggsy, how do you know patriotism was not a factor? Are you wired into the JB inner circle? Face it, you have 100% speculation based on your political leanings.
Pakuni, correct about the fighting chance. The country will see what KH is made of.
Muggsy, all politicians have huge egos. No way KH passes up this opportunity.
Muggsy, since you've come to the conclusion that JB has cognition issues that were covered up would you say DJT also has cognition issues based on his numerous verbal miscues?
HC, it will be more interesting to see who DJT pardons if he is victorious including himself possibly. Are there specific individuals you are concerned about?
In conclusion...
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I believe Trump is borderline insane but cognitively is not in Dementia territory. Joe's interviews since the debate hasn't helped his cause. I think it's pretty evident Biden hasn't been running the country for some time. So maybe it would have been patriotic to not run for a 2nd term at 81 and allow the primary to be won by another candidate?
I think with Biden's endorsement and war chest, it will pretty clearly be Harris. We might see 1-2 people try to mount a challenge, but the bigger question now is the VP pick.
This week will be massive for fundraising. Party excitement on the left will be through the roof. For the last year, voters have been saying they want anyone other than Biden or Trump. As strong as Trump looked in this election, he's always been a weak candidate who only looked strong because Biden looked so poor. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, the House in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and his endorsed candidates got wiped out in 2022. I look forward to him continuing his losing ways.
This is not a "4.5 years seems like a lot"
It's a "this has been horrendous"
#LastDays
If Harris is the candidate, they should've just stuck with Biden. Would have been closer at least
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2024, 04:05:40 PM
I think with Biden's endorsement and war chest, it will pretty clearly be Harris. We might see 1-2 people try to mount a challenge, but the bigger question now is the VP pick.
This week will be massive for fundraising. Party excitement on the left will be through the roof. For the last year, voters have been saying they want anyone other than Biden or Trump. As strong as Trump looked in this election, he's always been a weak candidate who only looked strong because Biden looked so poor. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, the House in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and his endorsed candidates got wiped out in 2022. I look forward to him continuing his losing ways.
I would expect Harris to pick someone like a Tim Ryan or Sherrod Brown. Someone that could change the polls in the rustbelt. I don't think it will be those that have been bandied about as Presidental candidates. Personally, I would pick Josh Shapiro.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PM
Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 21, 2024, 03:55:06 PM
What will be interesting is if you're Pritzker/Buttigieg/Newsom/etc, and you eventually really want to be president, you almost have to seize this moment right now. My guess is all of them were eyeing a wide open 2028 election (no matter who won this November). Now all of a sudden, running in 2028 could (stressing could) be Harris for a second term. I don't think by any means Harris will be a slam dunk as the nominee.
My early guess would be Shapiro or Walz. 1st we will have to find out if either wants it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 04:11:44 PM
I would expect Harris to pick someone like a Tim Ryan or Sherrod Brown. Someone that could change the polls in the rustbelt. I don't think it will be those that have been bandied about as Presidental candidates. Personally, I would pick Josh Shapiro.
Historically, who one chooses as a VP doesn't really move the meter. Should go back to the old days where the convention chooses the VP
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 21, 2024, 04:10:18 PM
If Harris is the candidate, they should've just stuck with Biden. Would have been closer at least
I actually think Harris would be good. Maybe not gonna win good, mostly because I don't know who would be, but I think a former prosecutor unleashed may be what they need.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2024, 04:11:44 PM
I would expect Harris to pick someone like a Tim Ryan or Sherrod Brown. Someone that could change the polls in the rustbelt. I don't think it will be those that have been bandied about as Presidental candidates. Personally, I would pick Josh Shapiro.
Keep in mind the broader implications. For example, Sherrod Brown might be the only D who can win a Senate seat in Ohio; if you take him away you might sacrifice control of the Senate. Same with John Kelly in Arizona. Would another D win the governor's race in Pennsylvania if you took Shapiro away? Maybe, maybe not.
One name I've heard repeatedly is NC Gov Roy Cooper. He won NC twice - and rather easily in 2020 - even though Trump won the state both times. He's seen as fairly moderate. And he's term-limited, so he can't run again this year even if he wanted to. He's a little boring - certainly not a dynamic speaker - but maybe boring would be seen as pretty good in this situation.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 21, 2024, 04:19:50 PM
Historically, who one chooses as a VP doesn't really move the meter. Should go back to the old days where the convention chooses the VP
Agreed lawdog, but this isn't like any other election. Shapiro is a very good communicator and is pretty well liked as a Gov.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 04:24:33 PM
I actually think Harris would be good. Maybe not gonna win good, mostly because I don't know who would be, but I think a former prosecutor unleashed may be what they need.
If it's Harris, Trump may just let Gabbard speak for him at the next debate
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 21, 2024, 04:30:32 PM
If it's Harris, Trump may just let Gabbard speak for him at the next debate
I'll be gobsmacked if Trump does another debate.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2024, 04:33:31 PM
I'll be gobsmacked if Trump does another debate.
You don't think his ego is telling him that he needs to rip into the new candidate? I personally hope he does, and it costs him the election.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 21, 2024, 04:35:53 PM
You don't think his ego is telling him that he needs to rip into the new candidate? I personally hope he does, and it costs him the election.
He will talk about it. Say he wants to. Brag about his likely performance. But won't.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 21, 2024, 04:35:53 PM
You don't think his ego is telling him that he needs to rip into the new candidate? I personally hope he does, and it costs him the election.
As with the primaries, he knows he'd have nothing to gain from it.
Hope I'm wrong.
This feels like when Wojo was fired.
I've reported all of u a holes to the mods
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 21, 2024, 04:53:44 PM
I've reported all of u a holes to the mods
Reported for un-christian language
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 21, 2024, 04:53:44 PM
I've reported all of u a holes to the mods
I self reported , so.my internal punishment will suffice
Fourth grade Jay Bee.
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Quote from: Herman Cain on July 21, 2024, 01:13:11 PM
Democrats played this beautifully. Let Republicans nominate a candidate who could only beat Biden, then they threw Biden under the bus....
Republicans will now lose Presidency, House and Senate and Dems will march unrestrained to communism.
This sucks for our country.
Indeed, Communism. Yes indeed.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2024, 04:25:25 PM
Keep in mind the broader implications. For example, Sherrod Brown might be the only D who can win a Senate seat in Ohio; if you take him away you might sacrifice control of the Senate. Same with John Kelly in Arizona. Would another D win the governor's race in Pennsylvania if you took Shapiro away? Maybe, maybe not.
One name I've heard repeatedly is NC Gov Roy Cooper. He won NC twice - and rather easily in 2020 - even though Trump won the state both times. He's seen as fairly moderate. And he's term-limited, so he can't run again this year even if he wanted to. He's a little boring - certainly not a dynamic speaker - but maybe boring would be seen as pretty good in this situation.
Cooper. Never thought of him but you make some good points.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 21, 2024, 04:40:11 PM
He will talk about it. Say he wants to. Brag about his likely performance. But won't.
I agree. I hope he does but it makes no sense for him. "The devil you know.." concept will help Trump. Strategically bad move to give the Dem candidate a platform.
Trump just needs to coast, so he'll choose venues and platforms he controls. We'll see if pundits and ads can carry the day for the Dems.
I really hope I'm wrong, I am looking forward to another choice for president. Harris is meh and I don't think Newsome will be appealing to the middle. I kinda like Amy Klobuchar.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 21, 2024, 04:30:32 PM
If it's Harris, Trump may just let Gabbard speak for him at the next debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEY3lh51hI
I don't believe Harris will be the nominee. I think too many powerful people are going to view this as an incredible opportunity, and I don't believe Harris has enough juice in the party to overcome that.
Could certainly be wrong, but I think if the party was clearly unified with Harris, you'd have seen Obama/Pelosi/Schummer/Jeffries give an endorsement today to Harris.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 21, 2024, 05:10:50 PM
Cooper. Never thought of him but you make some good points.
Cooper could balance the ticket with a white, male, Southern moderate who has twice defeated Trump-endorsed candidates and who has significant executive experience managing the nation's 9th-largest state.
Cooper also was on a short list I just saw on CBS News. They also said that because Arizona's governor, a Democrat, could appoint Kelly's replacement, it would let Harris pick Kelly without risking a Senate seat, so he'd be in play too.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on July 21, 2024, 05:20:56 PM
I don't believe Harris will be the nominee. I think too many powerful people are going to view this as an incredible opportunity, and I don't believe Harris has enough juice in the party to overcome that.
Could certainly be wrong, but I think if the party was clearly unified with Harris, you'd have seen Obama/Pelosi/Schummer/Jeffries give an endorsement today to Harris.
Not saying you're wrong but ...
IIRC, Obama didn't even endorse Biden until he was formally the candidate because he didn't want to appear to be playing favorites within his party. That still would hold true with this, and it might be how the other party leaders you mention are playing it, too.