Rolling into the NBA finals...... Are you claiming a new member to the Marquette NBA Champion club regardless of who wins?
On one hand, we have Sam Hauser that spent quiet a few years here that is in the rotation with the Celtics.
On the other we have O-Max that probably isn't going to play and accumulate DNP-CD as his biggest stat.
One started his career here and transferred out. The other started his career somewhere else and transferred in.
Nah. OMax or nothing.
Sam is Virginia's now.
Quote from: lohaus on June 07, 2024, 05:19:24 AM
Rolling into the NBA finals...... Are you claiming a new member to the Marquette NBA Champion club regardless of who wins?
On one hand, we have Sam Hauser that spent quiet a few years here that is in the rotation with the Celtics.
On the other we have O-Max that probably isn't going to play and accumulate DNP-CD as his biggest stat.
One started his career here and transferred out. The other started his career somewhere else and transferred in.
HELL no. And thankfully MU's Instagram page only congratulated OMax on making it to the Finals.
Sam could've been an all timer. Instead he became a nobody at MU and worse than that at UVA. Jumped on the bandwagon of a reigning national champion and got upset in the first round his one year at UVA. A total afterthought both places now.
I'm hearing Ham Sauser.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 07, 2024, 09:46:49 AM
HELL no. And thankfully MU's Instagram page only congratulated OMax on making it to the Finals.
Sam could've been an all timer. Instead he became a nobody at MU and worse than that at UVA. Jumped on the bandwagon of a reigning national champion and got upset in the first round his one year at UVA. A total afterthought both places now.
I doubt he cares.
I mentioned this years ago, but Travis Diener stated that Sam was one of his all time favorites while he was on the Homer show. Granted, Sam was still at MU, but Diener could not speaking more highly about Sam. I am still a Sam guy.
That said, I would prefer Omax win the ring, regardless of if he plays or not. He was a major part of the rebirth of MU basketball and that trumps my feelings about Sam.
I see the fishing is good today
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 07, 2024, 10:47:30 AM
I see the fishing is good today
Ha! Agreed but I'll still weigh in.
Sam does not care to a point. But there is something special about how we all feel about our Alma mater. And that is a part of who we are. I think the players who leave MU also have a love for our university (as they would if they went to another school). It's part of their identity. Coming home for a game and being treated like an all time great would be very rewarding, I would assume. Denier, Wade, Novak, Crowder, Mathews, etc. appreciate it I'm sure. Sam will never have that. He torpedoed what could have been a special season. He will never be an all timer at either of his schools and that leaves a little bit of a hole in his life resume no matter how successful he is at the next level.
Not rooting for Scam Hauser. But his transfer was a shock a smart program could overcome.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 07, 2024, 11:29:41 AM
Not rooting for Scam Hauser. But his transfer was a shock a smart program could overcome.
But of course, we had a Wojo program. Still 2 years away from a Smart program when he left.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 07, 2024, 11:29:41 AM
Not rooting for Scam Hauser. But his transfer was a shock a smart program could overcome.
I see what you did there. Chef's kiss.
Rooting for Dallas because I like an underdog, but not emotionally invested.
The Mavs can't win unless they activate OMax and play him at least 25 mpg!
Quote from: wadesworld on June 07, 2024, 09:46:49 AM
HELL no. And thankfully MU's Instagram page only congratulated OMax on making it to the Finals.
Sam could've been an all timer. Instead he became a nobody at MU and worse than that at UVA. Jumped on the bandwagon of a reigning national champion and got upset in the first round his one year at UVA. A total afterthought both places now.
Sam's exit almost certainly led to Wojo getting the axe without the leash he may have gotten with a better outcome Sam's senior year. In the end he was vindicated. Did the program a favor as well! Thank you for Shaka, Sam!
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Box score shows a DNP for Omax. It looks like he suited up. Has not been in box score the previous series.
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2024, 02:21:05 PM
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Box score shows a DNP for Omax. It looks like he suited up. Has not been in box score the previous series.
No wonder why they were able to at least stay within 30!
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2024, 02:21:05 PM
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Box score shows a DNP for Omax. It looks like he suited up. Has not been in box score the previous series.
Omax was available for the first time since 4/21 due to a bad ankle sprain.
Sat him bc they needed blocked shots
Honest question....does MU choose to not acknowledge Sam or did Sam tell them not to?
Quote from: TFlegend on June 07, 2024, 04:43:58 PM
Honest question....does MU choose to not acknowledge Sam or did Sam tell them not to?
I don't know, but I'll respond with another question: What would you have MU do to "acknowledge" an athlete who left the school under not the greatest conditions?
Quote from: TFlegend on June 07, 2024, 04:43:58 PM
Honest question....does MU choose to not acknowledge Sam or did Sam tell them not to?
Why would they? He's listed as a Virginia grad on his NBA roster.
Tyler Kolek ain't putting George Mason on his profile
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I think KO left under less than ideal circumstances and I still appreciate what he did for the program we love. I would actually say KO's departure was a bigger kick in the balls. If I can forgive a grown man, I can forgive a 20y player.
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2024, 06:00:24 PM
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I think KO left under less than ideal circumstances and I still appreciate what he did for the program we love. I would actually say KO's departure was a bigger kick in the balls. If I can forgive a grown man, I can forgive a 20y player.
Forgive is different than apathy to me. I bear Sam no ill will, I just don't care about him no different than any other NBA player who doesn't have an MU degree (or finished their career at MU).
Back when I was a student I worked for Phonathon (the annoying calls we all get) and when we'd call a transfer, they'd laugh then hang up or say "take me off your list I left your school" or other choice phrases that were not particularly friendly. Transfers don't care about MU why should MU care about them?
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2024, 06:00:24 PM
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I think KO left under less than ideal circumstances and I still appreciate what he did for the program we love. I would actually say KO's departure was a bigger kick in the balls. If I can forgive a grown man, I can forgive a 20y player.
KO did what coaches do - leave for more money and for what is perceived as more prestige. It happens all the time to all but the top top top of the college sports food chain. Heck, it happened to Kansas with Roy Williams.
As for Sam, it's not about "forgive." The question the poster asked was: "Does MU choose to not acknowledge Sam or did Sam tell them not to?"
I'm wondering how MU is supposed to "acknowledge" Sam. Would you like to see our alma mater acknowledge him, Goose, and if so how should they do it? Should Marquette similarly acknowledge his younger brother, Blankson, Cheatham and others who left Marquette to attend schools they preferred? Should UNC-Asheville acknowledge Rowsey somehow?
I'm being serious.
Omax. Have nothing against Sam, but I don't consider him an MU guy anymore sadly. Many probably feel differently about these guys and times have indeed changed, but I also don't really consider Cain or Theo MU guys either. Have to finish your career here otherwise it's a bit awkward.
I do not have problems with MU players leaving due to coaching changes. Nature of the biz. I moved on from the Hausers years ago.
I know Sam still considers Marquette as a special place and where his heart really is. UVA was only a detour to keep his family intact.
hope the best for both of our guys, but I believe the Celtics are going to have their way in 5. I don't think Kidd has an answer for kristaps and horford distracting from the combo of Tatum, brown and white.
I hope omax get's a little bit of pt
The Hauser's were correct. Wojo played hero ball and we suffered through 7 years because of it.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 07, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
The Hauser's were correct. Wojo played hero ball and we suffered through 7 years because of it.
No doubt. And it led to Shaka. But he left. I think if Sam showed some interest in MU again. Came around the Al when the Celtics were in town. Changed his introduction to MU from Virginia. And generally spoke highly of MU then MU would reciprocate. Right now he's a non entity unfortunately. Was truly set up to be an all time MU great. He chose what was best for him and has not publicly acknowledged MU since. There is simply nothing to acknowledge from MUs standpoint.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 07, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
The Hauser's were correct. Wojo played hero ball and we suffered through 7 years because of it.
Suffered through years of ELITE OFFENSE
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 07, 2024, 09:44:59 PM
Suffered through years of ELITE OFFENSE
I still wonder how much of that was Wojo and how much was having a generational scoring talent. Yes, during Howard's time we had an average kenpom offensive rank of 16.5, which is pretty darn good (and three times in the top-15), but those other three years the average was 121.3, which is pretty darn bad.
Not looking for a huge Wojo discussion, but I think it's entirely plausible that all the good in his time here was propped up by Markus Howard.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2024, 06:34:39 AM
I still wonder how much of that was Wojo and how much was having a generational scoring talent. Yes, during Howard's time we had an average kenpom offensive rank of 16.5, which is pretty darn good (and three times in the top-15), but those other three years the average was 121.3, which is pretty darn bad.
Not looking for a huge Wojo discussion, but I think it's entirely plausible that all the good in his time here was propped up by Markus Howard.
It wasn't Markus. Wojo was an offensive savant. In fact, Nevada Smith learned everything he knew from watching Wojo's squads perform innovative offensive sets such as Wojo's favorite: A step back 28 foot three less than 10 seconds into the shot clock and no other player on the team touching the ball other than the "point guard."
It's so odd that Shaka has taken a 100% opposite approach and coaches with a philosophy of passing is the number one energy generating behavior.
Quote from: CountryRoads on June 07, 2024, 06:38:42 PM
Omax. Have nothing against Sam, but I don't consider him an MU guy anymore sadly. Many probably feel differently about these guys and times have indeed changed, but I also don't really consider Cain or Theo MU guys either. Have to finish your career here otherwise it's a bit awkward.
Did you or any MU friends get a masters from somewhere else than MU? If so then you or those friends aren't MU guys anymore either by your logic
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2024, 07:22:58 PM
I know Sam still considers Marquette as a special place and where his heart really is. UVA was only a detour to keep his family intact.
hope the best for both of our guys, but I believe the Celtics are going to have their way in 5. I don't think Kidd has an answer for kristaps and horford distracting from the combo of Tatum, brown and white.
I hope omax get's a little bit of pt
So Joey wanted to go to MSU but didn't want to upset his family and chose MU to play with his brother. Then Sam wanted to stay at MU but had to leave to "keep his family together." Sounds like maybe Stephanie and Dave should let their children make decisions for themselves.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 08, 2024, 08:59:10 AM
Did you or any MU friends get a masters from somewhere else than MU? If so then you or those friends aren't MU guys anymore either by your logic
Yep. Jamal Cain and Theo John weren't in the same category of transfers as the Hausers and Odartey Blankson.
Again, all I'm asking is how is Marquette supposed to "acknowledge" Sam Hauser? And if they do owe him some form of acknowledgement, do they owe the same to Blankson or Haanif Cheatham or any of the guys run off by Buzz?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2024, 07:22:58 PM
I know Sam still considers Marquette as a special place and where his heart really is. UVA was only a detour to keep his family intact.
Who knew Scott Drew had such deep insight into what happens behind the scenes at MU.
Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2024, 10:57:12 AM
Yep. Jamal Cain and Theo John weren't in the same category of transfers as the Hausers and Odartey Blankson.
Again, all I'm asking is how is Marquette supposed to "acknowledge" Sam Hauser? And if they do owe him some form of acknowledgement, do they owe the same to Blankson or Haanif Cheatham or any of the guys run off by Buzz?
Include him in their posts about their NBA guys, nothing more than that. He is noticeably absent in those. Seems like it would be beneficial to brag about more former players having success in the NBA than fewer. It's fine that they don't, I understand the circumstances were different. But, every time I see an MU post about former players in the NBA, I always think "man...what a shame we don't/can't claim Sam".
Quote from: TFlegend on June 10, 2024, 11:39:24 AM
Include him in their posts about their NBA guys, nothing more than that. He is noticeably absent in those. Seems like it would be beneficial to brag about more former players having success in the NBA than fewer. It's fine that they don't, I understand the circumstances were different. But, every time I see an MU post about former players in the NBA, I always think "man...what a shame we don't/can't claim Sam".
If Marquette included him on a list, I would have no problem with it. If Marquette continues to ignore him, I would have no problem with that, either. I never think about Sam Hauser unless I'm on Scoop.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 07, 2024, 09:44:59 PM
Suffered through years of ELITE OFFENSE
Yep. I never considered watching Markus Howard as suffering. Quite the opposite.
Did I want more post season success, sure. But, it was never dull.