MUScoop

Never forget what these men endured for our freedom.  The world is as dangerous as it's been since the 1930's.   

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 08:42:44 AM
Never forget what these men endured for our freedom.  The world is as dangerous as it's been since the 1930's.   

In 1962, it looked like Russia and the U.S. were about to unleash weaponry that would destroy most of the world.

In 1965, we still had regular drills at school in which we had to get under our desks - where we would be safe if Russia nuked America.

Muggsy

I agree with you.

Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 10:35:32 AM
Muggsy

I agree with you.

Seconded.

Counterpoint: We are living in the safest period in recorded human history.
This is not an opinion.

I agree that we live in a more dangerous time than D-Day or as dangerous.

Many people ignore science and are willingly bringing diseases we wiped out decades ago because they think vaccines are bad.

Many people happily destroy the environment around them, figuring the next generations can figure it out.

Many Americans believe books should be banned, we should live under a Christians-only style of government, willingly embrace ignorance and are terrified over made belief threats from the LGQBT community.

Many Americans are willing to walk away from NATO and Israel.

Most Americans don't know anything about civics or how government works but instead gravitate towards cults of personality and wild conspiracy theories.

Yeah, it's pretty dangerous out there.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 10:52:29 AM
I agree that we live in a more dangerous time than D-Day or as dangerous.

Many people ignore science and are willingly bringing diseases we wiped out decades ago because they think vaccines are bad.

Many people happily destroy the environment around them, figuring the next generations can figure it out.

Many Americans believe books should be banned, we should live under a Christians-only style of government, willingly embrace ignorance and are terrified over made belief threats from the LGQBT community.

Many Americans are willing to walk away from NATO and Israel.

Most Americans don't know anything about civics or how government works but instead gravitate towards cults of personality and wild conspiracy theories.

Yeah, it's pretty dangerous out there.

You make lots of good points, Unk. And you didn't even mention Guns For Everybody.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 10:52:29 AM
I agree that we live in a more dangerous time than D-Day or as dangerous.

Many people ignore science and are willingly bringing diseases we wiped out decades ago because they think vaccines are bad.

Many people happily destroy the environment around them, figuring the next generations can figure it out.

Many Americans believe books should be banned, we should live under a Christians-only style of government, willingly embrace ignorance and are terrified over made belief threats from the LGQBT community.

Many Americans are willing to walk away from NATO and Israel.

Most Americans don't know anything about civics or how government works but instead gravitate towards cults of personality and wild conspiracy theories.

Yeah, it's pretty dangerous out there.

You're scaring me, please stop!

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 10:42:08 AM
Counterpoint: We are living in the safest period in recorded human history.
This is not an opinion.

Sure sounds like the opinion of someone who's never been to downtown Milwaukee

Quote from: MU82 on June 06, 2024, 09:54:42 AM
In 1962, it looked like Russia and the U.S. were about to unleash weaponry that would destroy most of the world.

In 1965, we still had regular drills at school in which we had to get under our desks - where we would be safe if Russia nuked America.

I always enjoyed crouching down under kindling to protect myself from the coming firestorm.

You know what, there's always threats and always been much about which to be scared.

But nothing tops what our soldiers, sailors and airmen did that day in Normandy. Anyone who has been there knows what the Nazis had waiting for our Troops. The Nazis spent three years building an Atlantic Wall and it was formidable. We went anyway because we knew without us billions of people would be enslaved and millions upon millions more would be killed because they weren't Germanic.

While we honor the people who served that day in Normandy, please don't forget the folks who died at Iwo Jima or Okinawa either. Or in North Africa, Guadalcanal or as the Allied forces moved across Europe and the Pacific.

Perhaps the greatest testament to the folks who died in World War II was the fact that we restored freedom and democracy to our enemies, rebuilt their economies and welcomed them all into the family of nations and of free peoples.

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I'm well aware that some of you like to play little games.  And think you're really clever manipulating narratives.  Did I write the world is as dangerous as it was before WW2?  Uh.... no.  I stated SINCE the 1930's.  Open your fking eyes and axe the dishonesty.

Meanwhile, while this little echo chamber is spewing fake concern about a group of people they couldn't give a F about, and not supporting our only ally in that region, we have an Evil Triumvirate that is a threat to freedom and prosperity across the globe. 

Now you guys can continue to live in la-la-land if you want, and create asinine/nonsensical situations that make you feel morally superior, but my eyes are wide freaking open.  I'm not a warmonger at all.   I simply understand catastrophic threats and how to eliminate them.  We need more Winston's and far fewer Neville's, it's just that simple.

Muggsy

La-la land is where a number of scoopers reside. My only hope is that they are playing games or think they are funny.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 12:29:16 PM
I'm well aware that some of you like to play little games.  And think you're really clever manipulating narratives.  Did I write the world is as dangerous as it was before WW2?  Uh.... no.  I stated SINCE the 1930's.  Open your fking eyes and axe the dishonesty.

Meanwhile, while this little echo chamber is spewing fake concern about a group of people they couldn't give a F about, and not supporting our only ally in that region, we have an Evil Triumvirate that is a threat to freedom and prosperity across the globe. 

Now you guys can continue to live in la-la-land if you want, and create asinine/nonsensical situations that make you feel morally superior, but my eyes are wide freaking open.  I'm not a warmonger at all.   I simply understand catastrophic threats and how to eliminate them.  We need more Winston's and far fewer Neville's, it's just that simple.

I am morally superior.  It's a burden, but one I must carry.

Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 12:32:10 PM
Muggsy

La-la land is where a number of scoopers reside. My only hope is that they are playing games or think they are funny.

Like starting a thread commerating D-Day and saying the world has never been this dangerous since the 1930's and then having a hissy fit saying he never said the world was dangerous as WWII but before WWII and telling us to axe the dishonesty because he can't possibly be wrong?

That there's an echo chamber?  Certainly no echo chamber on the other side of those who think otherwise.  Certainly none there as well.

Is it possible today is the most dangerous time, more dangerous than the 1950's or 1960's?  Sure, I'll listen to that argument but if you can't handle a counterpoint and cry right about it right away, go have a grape soda and sit in the corner

rico

I am pretty sure Muggsy is not afraid of debating this topic or any other topic.

Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 12:59:25 PM
rico

I am pretty sure Muggsy is not afraid of debating this topic or any other topic.

We're aware.  He'll tell us about the 5-point plan to eliminate the triumvirate of evil that goes against everything America was founded on and is supposed to stand for, breaks international law and ignores the constitution and all consequences of said actions.

But what do I know, I'm creating asinine hypotheticals and nonsensical ideas and have my head buried in the sand of La-La land

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 12:29:16 PM
I'm well aware that some of you like to play little games.  And think you're really clever manipulating narratives.  Did I write the world is as dangerous as it was before WW2?  Uh.... no.  I stated SINCE the 1930's.  Open your fking eyes and axe the dishonesty.

You do know that WWII was still going on during the 1940s?

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 06, 2024, 01:12:44 PM
You do know that WWII was still going on during the 1940s?

Yeah, but that's only because Muggsy wasn't in charge. Would have been a blip in history if he was.

I posit that World War II was more dangerous than it is now. And I posit that the Cuban Missile Crisis era was more dangerous than it is now.

But if Muggsy wants to play little games, live in la-la-land and not open his fking eyes, that's up to him. And if others agree with him that right now is more dangerous than World War II or the Cuban Missile Crisis, that's cool too. Our parents and grandparents might disagree, but what do they know? They don't even have 5-point plans.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 12:29:16 PM
I'm not a warmonger at all.   I simply understand catastrophic threats and how to eliminate them. 

Ha ha, good one.

Don't worry, Trump is gonna roll into office and clean all this sh!t up.  It's only going to be super dangerous for another 7 months.  Then everything will be as good as it's ever been. 

Muggsy, you are likely going to vote for what the heroes of D-day gave their lives to defeat.

Please Tower, if that was the case, why isn't he in power now?  He was President, now he isn't.  Step back from the ledge.  Oops, might have provoked an MU82 tantrum.

TSmith was hoping this thread had a different  topic meaning

He wants revenge, he attempted to overturn an election, is threatening more violence if he loses again, is using Mein Kampf as source material in his speeches when he successfully finishes a sentence,  and project 2025.

I hope you find peace.

Jesus...what are we doing here guys?

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 02:35:04 PM
Please Tower, if that was the case, why isn't he in power now? 

Because he failed, as he has in many other endeavors (see: casinos, universities, marriages, financial services, wall-building).

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 06, 2024, 02:45:15 PM
TSmith was hoping this thread had a different  topic meaning

I don't think TSmith is into you, but you can keep probing him

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 06, 2024, 02:58:01 PM
Jesus...what are we doing here guys?

Remembering the fallen heroes of June 6, 1944 on a college basketball message board.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 03:09:34 PM
Remembering the fallen heroes of June 6, 1944 on a college basketball message board.

Where it has the most impact.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 02:56:03 PM
I hope you find peace.

You, as well.  I hope we all find peace.

Great miniseries that was showing on Netflix earlier this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers_(miniseries)
Probably many have seen it.
Starts in training for Normandy invasion.
Liberation of Jews from concentration camps and
I believe ends with taking a Nazi mountain retreat.
These guys were incredible.

One of my all time favorites.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 06, 2024, 02:58:01 PM
Jesus...what are we doing here guys?

Same old, same old...where you been?

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 06, 2024, 02:45:15 PM
TSmith was hoping this thread had a different  topic meaning

So did I


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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 06, 2024, 01:12:44 PM
You do know that WWII was still going on during the 1940s?

My point should have been easily understood.  We all know what appeasement led to in the 30's.  Neville treated the S-land debacle like Adolf just
wanted a sightseeing tour.  I'm not a fan of despotic maniacal scumbags.  Especially when they can be stopped and eliminated.

I will never forget what Senior did that day for his men and our country

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Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 01:10:16 PM
We're aware.  He'll tell us about the 5-point plan to eliminate the triumvirate of evil that goes against everything America was founded on and is supposed to stand for, breaks international law and ignores the constitution and all consequences of said actions.

Rico, you struggle constantly to move away from your myopic and dangerous worldview.  America has to deal with  complex challenges.  "International Law" is a euphemism for bull excrement.  These organizations have no business determining our foreign policy.  Especially when we are the only ones who can solve these problems.  None of the Evil Triumvirate follows "International Law."  Fk them. Period.  Do what is necessary to help people. 

But what do I know, I'm creating asinine hypotheticals and nonsensical ideas and have my head buried in the sand of La-La land

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 04:36:16 PM
My point should have been easily understood.  We all know what appeasement led to in the 30's.  Neville treated the S-land debacle like Adolf just
wanted a sightseeing tour.  I'm not a fan of despotic maniacal scumbags.  Especially when they can be stopped and eliminated.

Huh

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 04:43:19 PM

We follow international law and we follow our own laws which are the same.  And when we haven't, the consequences have been paid in the loss of thousands of American lives

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 04:43:19 PM
Rico, you struggle constantly to move away from your myopic and dangerous worldview.  America has to deal with  complex challenges.  "International Law" is a euphemism for bull excrement.  These organizations have no business determining our foreign policy.  Especially when we are the only ones who can solve these problems.  None of the Evil Triumvirate follows "International Law."  Fk them. Period.  Do what is necessary to help people.

But what do I know, I'm creating asinine hypotheticals and nonsensical ideas and have my head buried in the sand of La-La land

1. You obviously don't understand how international law works.
2. Nothing in America's record, especially of the last 75 years, indicates we're capable of "solving these problems" or helping people. To the contrary, we usually make things worse and the people suffer for our efforts. (See: Iran, Guatemala, Korea, Vietnam, Chile, Lebanon, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq).

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 05:21:51 PM
1. You obviously don't understand how international law works.
2. Nothing in America's record, especially of the last 75 years, indicates we're capable of "solving these problems" or helping people. To the contrary, we usually make things worse and the people suffer for our efforts. (See: Iran, Guatemala, Korea, Vietnam, Chile, Lebanon, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq).

Could you teach us about international law?

South Korea isn't better off than North Korea?
Didn't we support El Salvador and not Nicaragua?
Iraq and the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein?

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 05:21:51 PM

2. Nothing in America's record, especially of the last 75 years, indicates we're capable of "solving these problems" or helping people. To the contrary, we usually make things worse and the people suffer for our efforts. (See: Iran, Guatemala, Korea, Vietnam, Chile, Lebanon, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq).

So if we can't help then let 'em suffer (they do and will continue to) without us. Is that your solution? Total isolationism?
Why are we wasting time and money in Israel or Ukraine? All we'll do is make matters worse, right? If "nothing in our history  indicates we can solve these problems" why did we waste all that blood and treasure saving Europe? Probably only made things worse, the continent would have been better off with an efficient Germany running things, right?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 05:51:18 PM
So if we can't help then let 'em suffer (they do and will continue to) without us. Is that your solution? Total isolationism?
Why are we wasting time and money in Israel or Ukraine? All we'll do is make matters worse, right? If "nothing in our history  indicates we can solve these problems" why did we waste all that blood and treasure saving Europe? Probably only made things worse, the continent would have been better off with an efficient Germany running things, right?

There is a pretty wide gap between supporting our allies versus committing war crimes

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 05:48:53 PM
Could you teach us about international law?

South Korea isn't better off than North Korea?
Didn't we support El Salvador and not Nicaragua?
Iraq and the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein?

You'd be shocked to find out who was supporting Saddam in the 80's

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 05:53:56 PM
There is a pretty wide gap between supporting our allies versus committing war crimes

Don't think anyone would argue with you on this one.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 05:58:44 PM
You'd be shocked to find out who was supporting Saddam in the 80's

And this caused Saddam to become the baddy he became?

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 06:03:43 PM
Don't think anyone would argue with you on this one.

Well, Muggsy does.  Unilaterally removing heads of state and other figures of state is exactly that.

The unintended consequences of such actions need to be factored in as well.  When we discuss Iraq and Afghanistan, simply removing the head of state doesn't solve the problem. 

I'll answer the Saddam question as well.  He was always a bad guy.  America has cozied up to bad guys for well over a century now.  Probably why we shouldn't be picking and choosing which bad guys to kill

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 05:48:53 PM
Could you teach us about international law?

South Korea isn't better off than North Korea?
Didn't we support El Salvador and not Nicaragua?
Iraq and the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein?

What would you like to know about International Law?

1. North Korea exists as a result of American foreign policy.

2. We supported the Contras in Nicaragua. They were a right-wing terrorist group responsible for the kidnapping, torture and executions of hundreds if not thousands of civilians, including nuns.

3. Is it a binary choice? Was a war built upon false premises and that killed about 4,500 American soldiers, cost nearly $1 trillion, caused the deaths of some 200,000 civilians and led to the rise of ISIS the best and only way to rid the world of Saddam? Was ridding the world of Saddam worth the price (I'm guessing he'd have just left for a couple billion)? And was a boxed-in Saddam Hussein really such a threat?

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 06:07:11 PM
What would you like to know about International Law?

1. North Korea exists as a result of American foreign policy.

2. We supported the Contras in Nicaragua. They were a right-wing terrorist group responsible for the kidnapping, torture and executions of hundreds if not thousands of civilians, including nuns.

3. Is it a binary choice? Was a war built upon false premises and that killed about 4,500 American soldiers, cost nearly $1 trillion, caused the deaths of some 200,000 civilians and led to the rise of ISIS the best and only way to rid the world of Saddam? Was ridding the world of Saddam worth the price (I'm guessing he'd have just left for a couple billion)? And was a boxed-in Saddam Hussein really such a threat?

I have to agree, the fake weapons of mass destruction report was stupid.  The international community was there.  Why force the issue.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 02:35:04 PM
Please Tower, if that was the case, why isn't he in power now?  He was President, now he isn't.  Step back from the ledge.  Oops, might have provoked an MU82 tantrum.

Facts = tantrum.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 05:51:18 PM
So if we can't help then let 'em suffer (they do and will continue to) without us. Is that your solution? Total isolationism?
Why are we wasting time and money in Israel or Ukraine? All we'll do is make matters worse, right? If "nothing in our history  indicates we can solve these problems" why did we waste all that blood and treasure saving Europe? Probably only made things worse, the continent would have been better off with an efficient Germany running things, right?

Lenny comes swinging in with the hyperbole. Predictable.
Here's the reality, Lenny.
Our only substantial foreign policy successes of the last 100+ years have come through the building of international coalitions with common goals and shared leadership, not the kind of unilateral actions Muggsy proposes.
We didn't defeat Hitler on our own. We didn't win the Cold War on our own. We didn't win the first Gulf War on our own. We're not helping Ukraine fend off Russia on our own.
But we did fail in Vietnam when we tried to go it alone. We failed to secure Iraq when we tried to go it alone. We failed in Afghanistan when we tried to go it alone. We failed in Iran when we tried to overthrow the government on our own.

People like Muggsy thumb their noses at working with allies and adhering to international law. They suggest that America and America alone can fix the world. But those of us in the know understand that the path to success requires allies and coalitions.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 04:36:16 PM
wanted a sightseeing tour.  I'm not a fan of despotic maniacal scumbags.  Especially when they can be stopped and eliminated.

Yeeeaaaahhhhhhhhh, about that...

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 05:53:56 PM
There is a pretty wide gap between supporting our allies versus committing war crimes

What if the allies we're supporting are committing war crimes? The majority of the Scoop intelligentsia claims Israel is at the very least doing that, maybe much worse. And does anyone doubt for a minute that both Ukraine and Russia have engaged in what could be classified as war crimes? Has there ever been a war without war crimes committed by both sides?

Pakuni

Have you ever left the state you were born in? Your global view is awfully narrow and I find interesting on how confident you are in your opinions.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 06:33:47 PM
What if the allies we're supporting are committing war crimes? The majority of the Scoop intelligentsia claims Israel is at the very least doing that, maybe much worse. And does anyone doubt for a minute that both Ukraine and Russia have engaged in what could be classified as war crimes? Has there ever been a war without war crimes committed by both sides?

America has often supported war criminals and dictators.  It's part of why our founding fathers implored future generations not to get entangled in foreign affairs, to avoid such moral dilemmas.  We did pretty good for about a century and it's been all downhill since.

What is being proposed by Muggsy is, we abandon alliances and unilaterally commit war crimes and break international law.  If that's the America we choose to live in and become, it'll be the beginning of the end of America and a pretty sad day for our country.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 06:18:49 PM
Lenny comes swinging in with the hyperbole. Predictable.
Here's the reality, Lenny.
Our only substantial foreign policy successes of the last 100+ years have come through the building of international coalitions with common goals and shared leadership, not the kind of unilateral actions Muggsy proposes.
We didn't defeat Hitler on our own. We didn't win the Cold War on our own. We didn't win the first Gulf War on our own. We're not helping Ukraine fend off Russia on our own.
But we did fail in Vietnam when we tried to go it alone. We failed to secure Iraq when we tried to go it alone. We failed in Afghanistan when we tried to go it alone. We failed in Iran when we tried to overthrow the government on our own.

People like Muggsy thumb their noses at working with allies and adhering to international law. They suggest that America and America alone can fix the world. But those of us in the know understand that the path to success requires allies and coalitions.

Careful now.  You're going to get America's panties in a bunch.  Don't tell the masses that the Soviets already had the Germans on the run in the East when Operation Overlord was launched.

Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 06:35:51 PM
Pakuni

Have you ever left the state you were born in? Your global view is awfully narrow and I find interesting on how confident you are in your opinions.

Tell me what I got wrong.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 06:18:49 PM
Lenny comes swinging in with the hyperbole. Predictable.
Here's the reality, Lenny.
Our only substantial foreign policy successes of the last 100+ years have come through the building of international coalitions with common goals and shared leadership, not the kind of unilateral actions Muggsy proposes.
We didn't defeat Hitler on our own. We didn't win the Cold War on our own. We didn't win the first Gulf War on our own. We're not helping Ukraine fend off Russia on our own.
But we did fail in Vietnam when we tried to go it alone. We failed to secure Iraq when we tried to go it alone. We failed in Afghanistan when we tried to go it alone. We failed in Iran when we tried to overthrow the government on our own.

People like Muggsy thumb their noses at working with allies and adhering to international law. They suggest that America and America alone can fix the world. But those of us in the know understand that the path to success requires allies and coalitions.

Hyperbole? You wrote "NOTHING in our history indicates we can solve these problems or help people". The French (for just one of many) at today's celebration might beg to differ.

Pot meet kettle.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 06:46:25 PM
Hyperbole? You wrote "NOTHING in our history indicates we can solve these problems or help people". The French (for just one of many) at today's celebration might beg to differ.

Pot meet kettle.

That's his point.  Our history in WWII included our allies.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 06:49:31 PM
That's his point.  Our history in WWII included our allies.

If you don't think we solved problems or helped people (Pakuni's assertion) in WWII I give up.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 06:46:25 PM
Hyperbole? You wrote "NOTHING in our history indicates we can solve these problems or help people". The French (for just one of many) at today's celebration might beg to differ.

Pot meet kettle.

Ha.
The French at today's celebration  - not to mention the Brits, the Russians, Czechs, Belgians, Dutch, Poles and many others  - would laugh in your face if you suggested "WE" (i.e. the U.S.) defeated Hitler.
In fact, some of them probably would slug you for it.
I think we discovered the old guy who's not into World War II history.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 06:53:05 PM
If you don't think we solved problems or helped people (Pakuni's assertion) in WWII I give up.

No, he's stated that our greatest successes have been when we have fought with our allies. 

We solved those problems with Canadians, Australians, Poles, British and a wide array of allies in WWII.

You're the one not understanding.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 06:53:11 PM
Ha.
The French at today's celebration  - not to mention the Brits, the Russians, Czechs, Belgians, Dutch, Poles and many others  - would laugh in your face if you suggested the U.S. defeated Hitler on its own.
In fact, some of them probably would slug you for it.
I think we discovered the old guy who's not into World War II history.

I've been to Normandy. Despite your protestations that we did nothing to help them, the French people I met there remain very grateful. Guess they didn't get your memo.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 06:58:00 PM
I've been to Normandy. Despite your protestations that we did nothing to help them, the French people I met there remain very grateful. Guess they didn't get your memo.

Welp, now you've just shifted into lying mode.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 06:57:17 PM
No, he's stated that our greatest successes have been when we have fought with our allies. 

He said that a whole lot later, long after he said "nothing in our history indicates we can solve these problems OR HELP PEOPLE".

But you only read what you want to read, so...

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 07:01:47 PM
He said that a whole lot later, long after he said "nothing in our history indicates we can solve these problems OR HELP PEOPLE".

But you only read what you want to read, so...

Oh, for crying out loud.  Go with that.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 06:07:11 PM
What would you like to know about International Law?



2. We supported the Contras in Nicaragua. They were a right-wing terrorist group responsible for the kidnapping, torture and executions of hundreds if not thousands of civilians, including nuns.

By selling arms to Iran. 

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 06:05:15 PM
And this caused Saddam to become the baddy he became?

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that Saddam was not a baddy until after we supported him?

Not to go go off topic but thanks to all those guys who hit the beach at Normandy.   

Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 12:32:10 PM
Muggsy

La-la land is where a number of scoopers reside. My only hope is that they are playing games or think they are funny.

Isn't La-la-la land where that Keefe dude disappeared to?

I had the pleasure of taking my older daughter to Normandy in late April 2024. It was loaded with American and British tourists.
I had last visited in 1986.

I visited St. Mere Elise, Utah Beach, Point du Hoc, Omaha Beach, Coleville-sur-mer American Cemetery, and the Polish Cemetery.  We ran out of time to visit Juno Beach.  I can't explain except you have to see them in person. 
I brought home Omaha Beach sand to put on the graves of my two Great Uncles who landed on Omaha.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 06, 2024, 10:17:16 PM
I had the pleasure of taking my older daughter to Normandy in late April 2024. It was loaded with American and British tourists.
I had last visited in 1986.

I visited St. Mere Elise, Utah Beach, Point du Hoc, Omaha Beach, Coleville-sur-mer American Cemetery, and the Polish Cemetery.  We ran out of time to visit Juno Beach.  I can't explain except you have to see them in person. 
I brought home Omaha Beach sand to put on the graves of my two Great Uncles who landed on Omaha.

Thank you to your uncles and I'm sorry for your loss. 

In 10 years of liviing in Russia, the ONLY issue that really caused an argument (friendly one at that) was the role of USSR vs. the role of USA in the ending of WWII. 

US history tells us that we got involved were in it for like 100 days in the Euro theatre, had about 12 fatalities (exaggeration for effect), and won it for our Euro friends.
The real story is quite different.  No doubt that US involvement helped, but what we got taught in school was far from the truth.

Why do you think US presidents have historically participated in D-Day celebrations rather than rather than V-E day? 

Anyway, raising a glass to those to sacrificed.  All of them.

Learn history, folks.  It repeats itself.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 06, 2024, 06:58:00 PM
I've been to Normandy. Despite your protestations that we did nothing to help them, the French people I met there remain very grateful. Guess they didn't get your memo.

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Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 02:35:04 PM
Please Tower, if that was the case, why isn't he in power now?  He was President, now he isn't.  Step back from the ledge.  Oops, might have provoked an MU82 tantrum.

My favorite post about honoring the global effort to thwart fascism is this.  Dismissing a failed effort to prevent the certification of an election (one could call that a failed coup).  Literally echoing the events that preceded the need for the heroism of the people we are honoring. 

In any case.  I am thankful for those that died for this effort--i know it must have been frightening for the others that survived the rest of their lives as they tried to transition back to day to day life. We've all been better off because of their sacrifice.  We are all responsible to ensure we never return to that dark time.

Anybody with any sense of history KNOWS the sacrifice of the Russian people in their efforts to defeat Nazi aggressors. Every town in every city we visited in Ukraine and Belarus has a monument to the Great Patriotic War and the suffering of the people for the Motherland. The names of the dead are engraved on many, many monuments and trust me, there's lot of them.

In my daughter's birthplace, Gomel, Belarus, there was three buildings left standing when Nazi aggressors retreated. This in a town of 350,000. It took decades to rebuild.

My daughter's DNA tests show her to be about 20 percent Jewish, meaning her natural grandparents found a way to survive the Holocaust. The Holocaust claimed between a third and half of the population of what is now Belarus at the time.

Look, we honor the men and women who served our country in D-Day and elsewhere during World War II as a reminder of their sacrifice and that of our nation in the cause of freedom. We're honored that they gave their lives to ensure we live in peace and prosperity. We should never forget our own sacrifice as well as that of the Russian people and other people of Europe and Asia who resisted Axis aggression. Their efforts to repel and ultimately defeat those who committed some of the worst human rights atrocities the world has ever seen should always be honored.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2024, 06:28:44 AM
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Quote from: WarriorFan on June 07, 2024, 01:11:50 AM
In 10 years of liviing in Russia, the ONLY issue that really caused an argument (friendly one at that) was the role of USSR vs. the role of USA in the ending of WWII. 

US history tells us that we got involved were in it for like 100 days in the Euro theatre, had about 12 fatalities (exaggeration for effect), and won it for our Euro friends.
The real story is quite different.  No doubt that US involvement helped, but what we got taught in school was far from the truth.

Why do you think US presidents have historically participated in D-Day celebrations rather than rather than V-E day? 

Anyway, raising a glass to those to sacrificed.  All of them.

Learn history, folks.  It repeats itself.

You should have went to a better school.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 06, 2024, 06:53:11 PM
Ha.
The French at today's celebration  - not to mention the Brits, the Russians, Czechs, Belgians, Dutch, Poles and many others  - would laugh in your face if you suggested "WE" (i.e. the U.S.) defeated Hitler.
In fact, some of them probably would slug you for it.
I think we discovered the old guy who's not into World War II history.

The Brits and Russians were ann integral part of Hitler's defeat and Europe's liberation, to be sure. Most of the rest you mention had already been defeated and were under occupation. A whole lot of Frenchmen (and others) remain grateful for their liberation even if you don't think they should be. Any Frenchman who would want to "slug" Americans because they're not speaking German today? His problem.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 06, 2024, 11:23:26 AM
The Original Antifa

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Boy, would these guys be pissed at what you guys have turned their organization into.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2024, 09:39:26 AM
The Brits and Russians were ann integral part of Hitler's defeat and Europe's liberation, to be sure. Most of the rest you mention had already been defeated and were under occupation. A whole lot of Frenchmen (and others) remain grateful for their liberation even if you don't think they should be. Any Frenchman who would want to "slug" Americans because they're not speaking German today? His problem.

The Dutch did very little to help during WWII.

I expected the usual suspects of inserting their personal socio-political-historical beliefs into this thread, but I badly underestimated the extent and depth. The title was D-Day's 80th.

Yesterday, I listened to veterans tell their stories and was very moved. Imagine yourself as a young soldier being transported in a time machine to 6/6 /44 and about to leave a transport ship to face massive machine gun fire and watching guys be killed all around you, not knowing if you would be next. The invasion was about defeating the Nazis, and it was a massive, dangerous American and British operation with few other countries heavily involved. Others' crucial involvement in operations in the war-especially the Russians-is clearly undeniable, but not in Normandy.

One veteran said that he was the only one in his unit to make it through the machine gun fire. Others told of the horrors they experienced and of the eventual victory that day. They told about how their lives were never, ever the same. That day would haunt them forever. A friend of my father's was Jewish and once told us about his openly antisemitic CO on D-Day grinning and saying to his unit "you Jew boys are going in first".

I'll finish on a brighter note. One of the veterans in Normandy yesterday, 100 years old, brought a guest along-his 96-year-old fiancée'.  :)

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 07, 2024, 09:40:55 AM
Boy, would these guys be pissed at what you guys have turned their organization into.

Boy, these guys that are still alive are pissed that their organization needs to defend America from the fascists within.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 07, 2024, 10:39:41 AM
Yesterday, I listened to veterans tell their stories and was very moved. Imagine yourself as a young soldier being transported in a time machine to 6/6 /44 and about to leave a transport ship to face massive machine gun fire and watching guys be killed all around you, not knowing if you would be next.

Having gone to Normandy five years ago and having walked about 500 yards off the beach due to low tide, I could see the remnants of what the incoming troop ships saw. That was scary as all get out. One can only imagine what live fire did to those folks in the moments before they disembarked.

It was a very frightening sight and we should be thankful for every single man and woman's sacrifice that day. And every other day for that matter!

dgies

You said it perfectly. Great posst.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 07, 2024, 10:39:41 AM
I expected the usual suspects of inserting their personal socio-political-historical beliefs into this thread, but I badly underestimated the extent and depth. The title was D-Day's 80th.

Yesterday, I listened to veterans tell their stories and was very moved. Imagine yourself as a young soldier being transported in a time machine to 6/6 /44 and about to leave a transport ship to face massive machine gun fire and watching guys be killed all around you, not knowing if you would be next. The invasion was about defeating the Nazis, and it was a massive, dangerous American and British operation with few other countries heavily involved. Others' crucial involvement in operations in the war-especially the Russians-is clearly undeniable, but not in Normandy.

One veteran said that he was the only one in his unit to make it through the machine gun fire. Others told of the horrors they experienced and of the eventual victory that day. They told about how their lives were never, ever the same. That day would haunt them forever. A friend of my father's was Jewish and once told us about his openly antisemitic CO on D-Day grinning and saying to his unit "you Jew boys are going in first".

I'll finish on a brighter note. One of the veterans in Normandy yesterday, 100 years old, brought a guest along-his 96-year-old fiancée'.  :)

TY for sharing.

Love the post, snoop.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 07, 2024, 10:39:41 AM
I expected the usual suspects of inserting their personal socio-political-historical beliefs into this thread, but I badly underestimated the extent and depth. The title was D-Day's 80th.

Yesterday, I listened to veterans tell their stories and was very moved. Imagine yourself as a young soldier being transported in a time machine to 6/6 /44 and about to leave a transport ship to face massive machine gun fire and watching guys be killed all around you, not knowing if you would be next. The invasion was about defeating the Nazis, and it was a massive, dangerous American and British operation with few other countries heavily involved. Others' crucial involvement in operations in the war-especially the Russians-is clearly undeniable, but not in Normandy.

One veteran said that he was the only one in his unit to make it through the machine gun fire. Others told of the horrors they experienced and of the eventual victory that day. They told about how their lives were never, ever the same. That day would haunt them forever. A friend of my father's was Jewish and once told us about his openly antisemitic CO on D-Day grinning and saying to his unit "you Jew boys are going in first".

I'll finish on a brighter note. One of the veterans in Normandy yesterday, 100 years old, brought a guest along-his 96-year-old fiancée'.  :)

Great stuff, Snoop.

Hard to even imagine the horrors that our troops faced in Normandy. So grateful for their bravery and sacrifice. My dad was in the Battle of the Bulge, another gory brawl. I think about him, and those he served with, nearly every day.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2024, 06:28:44 AM
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This is the biggest, "I don't know history post/joke" of all time.

Not taking shots at anyone specifically here, but I think many people are often misguided or mistaken about the foreign perceptions of Americans, especially among the older generations.  Through plenty of interactions and experiences in Europe and with Europeans in places like HK, Singapore, and elsewhere, the majority of negative American sentiment is from combative millenial types and pushback against loud arrogant American tourists.

Older Belgians/Dutch, who I spent weeks with annually, particularly are fond of America/Americans.  Obviously YMMV but I usually comeback from trips abroad feeling more positive about the US and our perception than you'd think from conversations domestically.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 07, 2024, 03:21:38 PM
Not taking shots at anyone specifically here, but I think many people are often misguided or mistaken about the foreign perceptions of Americans, especially among the older generations.  Through plenty of interactions and experiences in Europe and with Europeans in places like HK, Singapore, and elsewhere, the majority of negative American sentiment is from combative millenial types and pushback against loud arrogant American tourists.

Older Belgians/Dutch, who I spent weeks with annually, particularly are fond of America/Americans.  Obviously YMMV but I usually comeback from trips abroad feeling more positive about the US and our perception than you'd think from conversations domestically.

Yes, YMMV, and there is a reason the Western Europeans like America.  Because they'd either be part of Germany now, or they'd have all been Soviets.  The Americans weren't as brutal to Eastern Asians as the Japanese were.

I think the reason there is a lot of negative sentiment among younger generations is because they have only grown up knowing the bad stuff the USA has done.  Very little good stuff.  Not to mention with the availability of information, younger generations aren't being spoon fed the same Americentric story that abounded for decades.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 07, 2024, 05:00:38 PM
Yes, YMMV, and there is a reason the Western Europeans like America.  Because they'd either be part of Germany now, or they'd have all been Soviets.  The Americans weren't as brutal to Eastern Asians as the Japanese were.

I think the reason there is a lot of negative sentiment among younger generations is because they have only grown up knowing the bad stuff the USA has done.  Very little good stuff.  Not to mention with the availability of information, younger generations aren't being spoon fed the same Americentric story that abounded for decades.

Maybe they're ill-inforned and taught a lot of garbage?  There's nothing wrong with being "Americentric".  We're the greatest nation in the history of the world, even in the midst of repulsive leadership on both sides of the political spectrum.  There's a reason people want to come here in droves and have since our founding. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 07, 2024, 05:24:26 PM
Maybe they're ill-inforned and taught a lot of garbage?  There's nothing wrong with being "Americentric".  We're the greatest nation in the history of the world, even in the midst of repulsive leadership on both sides of the political spectrum.  There's a reason people want to come here in droves and have since our founding.

You're a fool.

Quote from: Jockey on June 07, 2024, 07:06:04 PM
You're a fool.

    why you feel so strongly against Muggs comment that you need to respond with a personal attack is far worse than any pro-american comment anyone could make and quite revealing of your character and lack thereof

  shame on you!

Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2024, 02:47:15 PM
He wants revenge, he attempted to overturn an election, is threatening more violence if he loses again, is using Mein Kampf as source material in his speeches when he successfully finishes a sentence,  and project 2025.

Honest question Fahrenheit...back in your fire fightin' days, were you as anti law and order as you appear to be now? I find it extremely odd, based on anecdotal evidence, that you would be. What brought you to this point, hey?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 07, 2024, 05:24:26 PM
Maybe they're ill-inforned and taught a lot of garbage?  There's nothing wrong with being "Americentric".  We're the greatest nation in the history of the world, even in the midst of repulsive leadership on both sides of the political spectrum.  There's a reason people want to come here in droves and have since our founding.

Or maybe you've been eating the slop at the trough too long.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 07, 2024, 08:15:55 PM

Honest question Fahrenheit...back in your fire fightin' days, were you as anti law and order as you appear to be now? I find it extremely odd, based on anecdotal evidence, that you would be. What brought you to this point, hey?

Doc Scrivello, I am not sure what you mean?    From my perspective, you are the one who is anti-law and order, anti-democracy, etc.   

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 07, 2024, 08:15:55 PM

Honest question Fahrenheit...back in your fire fightin' days, were you as anti law and order as you appear to be now? I find it extremely odd, based on anecdotal evidence, that you would be. What brought you to this point, hey?

1 Corinthians 15:33

Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2024, 08:35:33 PM
Doc Scrivello, I am not sure what you mean?    From my perspective, you are the one who is anti-law and order, anti-democracy, etc.

I would love to see an answer to this question but doubt it'll come.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 07, 2024, 09:21:57 PM
1 Corinthians 15:33

"Bad Company ruins good morals"

So if true,  what does sharing a political party with neo-nazis, Westboro baptist church members, and KKK members do for morals?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 07, 2024, 05:24:26 PM
even in the midst of repulsive leadership on both sides of the political spectrum.

So Muggsy.

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2024, 06:28:44 AM
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WW1

"The French army suffered around 6 million casualties, including 1.4 million dead and 4.2 million wounded, roughly 71% of those who fought. Out of the one million French infantrymen who died in the war, more than half died between the outbreak of war and November 1915."
Wiki

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 07, 2024, 10:01:47 PM
"Bad Company ruins good morals"

So if true,  what does sharing a political party with neo-nazis, Westboro baptist church members, and KKK members do for morals?

The next 5 months will be fun...,

Tower and TAMU (2 guys who are among the most reasonable and levelheaded here on Scoop) are letting loose.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 07, 2024, 10:01:47 PM
"Bad Company ruins good morals"

So if true,  what does sharing a political party with neo-nazis, Westboro baptist church members, and KKK members do for morals?

And Donald Trump

Speaking of D Day, on Thursday night I attended the opening of a POW / MIA exhibit at the War Memorial in Milwaukee. It was very powerful.

I saw a number of friendly faces including many of my Trump supporter friends. 

I wondered how they reconciled celebrating a POW exhibit with Trump's:

"He's (John McCain) not a war hero...He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Literally the entire event was people in tears celebrating POWs and half of them are going to vote Trump. 

I come from a very deep military family, it blows my mind that any veteran can vote for him.  It seems unconscionable.

Quote from: The Lens on June 08, 2024, 06:33:00 AM
Speaking of D Day, on Thursday night I attended the opening of a POW / MIA exhibit at the War Memorial in Milwaukee. It was very powerful.

I saw a number of friendly faces including many of my Trump supporter friends. 

I wondered how they reconciled celebrating a POW exhibit with Trump's:

"He's (John McCain) not a war hero...He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Literally the entire event was people in tears celebrating POWs and half of them are going to vote Trump. 

I come from a very deep military family, it blows my mind that any veteran can vote for him.  It seems unconscionable.

"What's in it for them?"

Suckers and losers.

Quote from: The Lens on June 08, 2024, 06:33:00 AM
Speaking of D Day, on Thursday night I attended the opening of a POW / MIA exhibit at the War Memorial in Milwaukee. It was very powerful.

I saw a number of friendly faces including many of my Trump supporter friends. 

I wondered how they reconciled celebrating a POW exhibit with Trump's:

"He's (John McCain) not a war hero...He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Literally the entire event was people in tears celebrating POWs and half of them are going to vote Trump. 

I come from a very deep military family, it blows my mind that any veteran can vote for him.  It seems unconscionable.

John McCain was a great patriot.  And a politician.  Soooo, probably some history behind that statement, even though a dumb one.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 08, 2024, 09:12:16 AM
John McCain was a great patriot.  And a politician.  Soooo, probably some history behind that statement, even though a dumb one.

Probably some history behind the coup attempt, too.  :-\

Probably some money to the big guy blah blah blah.

Quote from: The Lens on June 08, 2024, 06:33:00 AM
Speaking of D Day, on Thursday night I attended the opening of a POW / MIA exhibit at the War Memorial in Milwaukee. It was very powerful.

I saw a number of friendly faces including many of my Trump supporter friends. 

I wondered how they reconciled celebrating a POW exhibit with Trump's:

"He's (John McCain) not a war hero...He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Literally the entire event was people in tears celebrating POWs and half of them are going to vote Trump. 

I come from a very deep military family, it blows my mind that any veteran can vote for him.  It seems unconscionable.

After witnessing our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, the woke transformation of our military and a confusing back and forth foreign policy re Israel, Iran and the entire region many of our military past and present could never vote for Biden either. I know I couldn't vote for either of them.

I'd be interested in the polling of vets and current members of the military. My guess would be that Trump is solidly ahead of Biden but it's only a guess.

Ten years from now, the 90th commemoration of D-Day may involve a few survivors arriving all in one car with seat space for two or three more people. Among today's 98-year-old vets, there might be 2 or 3 who live to 108. It's rare for men to live that long. This year was very much of a final farewell in terms of 10-year anniversaries.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 07, 2024, 03:21:38 PM
Not taking shots at anyone specifically here, but I think many people are often misguided or mistaken about the foreign perceptions of Americans, especially among the older generations.  Through plenty of interactions and experiences in Europe and with Europeans in places like HK, Singapore, and elsewhere, the majority of negative American sentiment is from combative millenial types and pushback against loud arrogant American tourists.

Older Belgians/Dutch, who I spent weeks with annually, particularly are fond of America/Americans.  Obviously YMMV but I usually comeback from trips abroad feeling more positive about the US and our perception than you'd think from conversations domestically.

My experience is similar.  Most of my travels in Europe or Asia I have seen nothing but positive feelings towards Americans.

My daughter and I were very aggravated in Bayeux, Normandy.  We were eating dinner on a Monday night.  Most restaurants in France are closed on Mondays, so you have limited options to begin with.  The food was great and service was very good as was the Norman cidre and beer   This one late 60's couple did not touch their food and then was getting heated with the restaurant owner because they said "service was slow and had to be somewhere".  It embarrassed us as Americans especially in a place where they still embrace the D-Day landings and they were wrong about the service.  They could have asked to take it to go since they had a schedule and it was their fault for not planning accordingly.  I don't want to see incidents like this that can tarnish American reputation.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 08, 2024, 10:01:55 AM
After witnessing our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, the woke transformation of our military and a confusing back and forth foreign policy re Israel, Iran and the entire region many of our military past and present could never vote for Biden either. I know I couldn't vote for either of them.

I'd be interested in the polling of vets and current members of the military. My guess would be that Trump is solidly ahead of Biden but it's only a guess.

my sides, holy sh1t

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 08, 2024, 10:27:05 AM
My experience is similar.  Most of my travels in Europe or Asia I have seen nothing but positive feelings towards Americans.

My daughter and I were very aggravated in Bayeux, Normandy.  We were eating dinner on a Monday night.  Most restaurants in France are closed on Mondays, so you have limited options to begin with.  The food was great and service was very good as was the Norman cidre and beer   This one late 60's couple did not touch their food and then was getting heated with the restaurant owner because they said "service was slow and had to be somewhere".  It embarrassed us as Americans especially in a place where they still embrace the D-Day landings and they were wrong about the service.  They could have asked to take it to go since they had a schedule and it was their fault for not planning accordingly.  I don't want to see incidents like this that can tarnish American reputation.

Cultural difference.  Food is an event in much of Western Europe, as I'm sure you well know.  It is extremely embarrassing when Americans act like that, because it only reinforces a lot of the stereotypes people have about USA citizens.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 08, 2024, 10:01:55 AM
the woke transformation of our military

Jesus was woke.

Also, "woke" is so 2023. Y'all need to come up with a new word you don't know the meaning of to serve as a putdown for all the allegedly lib stuff y'all don't like.

Oh, and for the few still using "woke," it has become almost exclusively the domain of rabid supporters of the convicted felon, which you claim you're not.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 08, 2024, 10:01:55 AM
After witnessing our disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, the woke transformation of our military and a confusing back and forth foreign policy re Israel, Iran and the entire region many of our military past and present could never vote for Biden either. I know I couldn't vote for either of them.

I'd be interested in the polling of vets and current members of the military. My guess would be that Trump is solidly ahead of Biden but it's only a guess.

Could you cite some specific examples of the "woke transformation" of the military?

Any time I get called 'woke', I give myself a mental high five.   It means I am not displaying racist or misogynistic tendencies.  Woohoo.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 08, 2024, 09:24:16 AM
Probably some money to the big guy blah blah blah.

Indeed. The only difference is that one played out for hours on national TV for all to see with their own eyes and the other is the fever dream of Jamie Comer.

But I know the complete lack of evidence, the inconvenient issue that Comer's two star witnesses turned out to be criminal foreign agents, and the fact that he hasn't managed after three years to even pretend to be able to bring charges, will not deter you from thinking they are just the same.

Getting you and your ilk to believe that, NOT actually bringing charges, is the entire reason for their performance.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 08, 2024, 10:30:39 AM
my sides, holy sh1t

Chicos had me at "woke transformation of our military".

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 08, 2024, 10:44:37 AM
Indeed. The only difference is that one played out for hours on national TV for all to see with their own eyes and the other is the fever dream of Jamie Comer.

But I know the complete lack of evidence, the inconvenient issue that Comer's two star witnesses turned out to be criminal foreign agents, and the fact that he hasn't managed after three years to even pretend to be able to bring charges, will not deter you from thinking they are just the same.

"We've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence." - future convicted felon Rudy Giuliani

I wonder how long before this thread goes rocky-locky.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 08, 2024, 11:26:39 AM
I wonder how long before this thread goes rocky-locky.

You're free to report to the mods that you're disturbed by a thread in which you've repeatedly engaged.

Anybody see the 2004 movie Ike with Tom Selleck playing the lead role? It was about the 90 days prior to D-Day. I cannot vouch for its accuracy, but I had the sense that the producers did not get too "creative". It was/is another perspective to the invasion and underscored the immense amount of not only training but risks that could not easily be calculated. My favorite scene was Ike showing up in the early hours to visit the paratroopers shortly before they disembarked. He knew perfectly well that many of them would not survive the day.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 08, 2024, 12:00:12 PM
You're free to report to the mods that you're disturbed by a thread in which you've repeatedly engaged.

Not a chance. You need plenty of time to correct everyone with an endless stream of posts. And yeah...in which I repeatedly engaged.  :)

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 08, 2024, 12:03:29 PM
Anybody see the 2004 movie Ike with Tom Selleck playing the lead role? It was about the 90 days prior to D-Day. I cannot vouch for its accuracy, but I had the sense that the producers did not get too "creative". It was/is another perspective to the invasion and underscored the immense amount of not only training but risks that could not easily be calculated. My favorite scene was Ike showing up in the early hours to visit the paratroopers shortly before they disembarked. He knew perfectly well that many of them would not survive the day.

No, but I've seen Stripes, which taught me all I need to know about D-Day

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 08, 2024, 12:49:19 PM
No, but I've seen Stripes, which taught me all I need to know about D-Day

Scoop reaching new heights.

Quote from: Jockey on June 07, 2024, 11:10:51 PM
The next 5 months will be fun...,

Tower and TAMU (2 guys who are among the most reasonable and levelheaded here on Scoop) are letting loose.

I wouldn't expect this often. Misusing scripture for political reasons is one of my buttons. It offends me as a Christian. I noticed my question went unanswered

Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2024, 07:49:29 AM
Suckers and losers.

Kinda like "stupid fookers," hey?

Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2024, 10:37:12 AM
Jesus was woke.

Also, "woke" is so 2023. Y'all need to come up with a new word you don't know the meaning of to serve as a putdown for all the allegedly lib stuff y'all don't like.

Oh, and for the few still using "woke," it has become almost exclusively the domain of rabid supporters of the convicted felon, which you claim you're not.

I'm goin' with buffoonery, hey?

When have you not?

Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2024, 08:35:33 PM
Doc Scrivello, I am not sure what you mean?    From my perspective, you are the one who is anti-law and order, anti-democracy, etc.

I guess if that's how you define anti-law and order and anti-democracy, there really is no point in debatin' my point. We're reached a place where the bridge is too far, aina?

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 08, 2024, 06:13:06 PM
I wouldn't expect this often. Misusing scripture for political reasons is one of my buttons. It offends me as a Christian. I noticed my question went unanswered

Yeah and the usual suspects casually ignore that. Because at the end of the day they aren't actually good Christians.

Catholic school taught me about dissent and how it works within the faith. I've had quite a bit of time back and forth with it. But what I have been able to realize.

They aren't dissenting, they're lumping what they're uncomfortable with to be sins, and it's pretty pathetic. It's simplistic thinking at best, racist at worst.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 07, 2024, 09:42:12 PM
I would love to see an answer to this question but doubt it'll come.

Herr ewe goe, kin, hey?

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Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 09, 2024, 03:48:14 AM
Herr ewe goe, kin, hey?

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Quality sourcing, as usual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66838794

Quote from: Pakuni on June 09, 2024, 07:31:43 AM
Quality sourcing, as usual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66838794

Yeah, even ignoring his legal issues, am I supposed to be impressed with a Russell Brand interview or even take it halfway seriously?  Not even worth reading.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 09, 2024, 03:48:14 AM
Herr ewe goe, kin, hey?

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Yes, yes indeed. The guy convicted of sexual assault, who bragged about sexual assault, who has been convicted of multiple business and tax frauds, who staged a violent coup, who said his VP deserved to be hung, who idolizes Putin, Orban, and Kim Jung Un...he's the law & order guy. 

Yes indeed.

Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on June 09, 2024, 12:03:13 AM
Yeah and the usual suspects casually ignore that. Because at the end of the day they aren't actually good Christians.

Catholic school taught me about dissent and how it works within the faith. I've had quite a bit of time back and forth with it. But what I have been able to realize.

They aren't dissenting, they're lumping what they're uncomfortable with to be sins, and it's pretty pathetic. It's simplistic thinking at best, racist at worst.

I'm glad you are beautiful examples of Catholicism and Christianity.  Please keep up the awesome work.

I will continue to pray for 4ever and you.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on June 09, 2024, 07:34:21 AM
Yeah, even ignoring his legal issues, am I supposed to be impressed with a Russell Brand interview or even take it halfway seriously?  Not even worth reading.

When I want knowledgeable insight into American politics, I always turn to middling British comedians turned conspiracy theorists.
Don't you?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 09, 2024, 03:48:14 AM
Herr ewe goe, kin, hey?

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That's fantastic.  Good fishing

I was down at McKinley marina on Friday and saw a boat flying a flag that said

God, Guns & Trump

I thought to myself how could anyone who read Jesus's words in the Gospel honestly believe this is what he'd want?

Jesus was woke.  He lived with prostitutes & tax collectors, he welcomed all.

If he were here today he'd be at Pride Fest this weekend. He spent his life making sure the marginalized were ok. 

Gods, Guns & Trump.  That's some serious Old Testament stuff.  Turn the page. 

Quote from: The Lens on June 09, 2024, 08:24:45 AM
I was down at McKinley marina on Friday and saw a boat flying a flag that said

God, Guns & Trump

I thought to myself how could anyone who read Jesus's words in the Gospel honestly believe this is what he'd want?

Jesus was woke.  He lived with prostitutes & tax collectors, he welcomed all.

If he were here today he'd be at Pride Fest this weekend. He spent his life making sure the marginalized were ok. 

Gods, Guns & Trump.  That's some serious Old Testament stuff.  Turn the page.

In accordance with Old Testament rules, the convicted felon should have been stoned to death numerous times already for his serial adultery alone. Not to mention for lying, stealing, taking the lord's name in vain, projecting himself as a god and other commandments he has broken and continues to break.

As an evangelical Christian, I firmly believe adultery is okay if the broad is hot and it helps own the libs.  I haven't read the Bible but I am very certain Jesus would believe in 2A

Quote from: tower912 on June 09, 2024, 08:05:05 AM
I will continue to pray for 4ever and you.

Thank you Tower.  One can never have too many people praying for them.

I know it's like Sisyphus, but trying to get back on track:
Best D-dAY MOVIES
https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/10-classic-films-about-d-day-recommended-war-historian.html (https://www.military.com/off-duty/movies/10-classic-films-about-d-day-recommended-war-historian.html)

1. True Glory (1945)
All the nations involved in the second world war produced propaganda. True Glory is a notable example of the approach adopted by the western allies.


A combined Anglo-American endeavour (much like D-day itself), the film – which was released shortly after the war ended – is introduced by General Eisenhower and was the 1945 winner of the Academy Award for best documentary feature. It starts with the D-day landings in Normandy and then follows the march of the allied army through Europe.

2. Breakthrough (1950)
The war film emerged as a popular genre in postwar Hollywood with several notable features produced in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Breakthrough is one example. It follows a newly graduated infantry officer, Lieutenant Joe Mallory (played by John Agar), as he leads an experienced platoon of the 1st Infantry Division, an American unit that played a central role in the D-day landings at Omaha Beach.

3. D-Day: The Sixth of June (1956)
This film put D-day in its very title. Based on a book by Canadian writer Lionel Shapiro, at its centre is a love triangle involving a British officer (Lieutenant Colonel Wynter, played by Richard Todd), an American officer (Captain Brad Parker, played by Robert Taylor) and a member of the Auxiliary Territorial Service (Valerie Russell, played by Dana Wynter).


The American and Briton are both members of Special Force Six, a fictional Anglo-American unit with a key role in the Normandy landings. But they are also in competition for the heart of Russell. Is the success of D-day compromised by jealousy or distrust? Watch it and find out.

4. The Longest Day (1962)
Until the release in 1998 of Saving Private Ryan, The Longest Day was for many years the D-day film. Based on a book by Cornelius Ryan and featuring a who's who of contemporary movie celebrities (including Richard Burton, Robert Mitchum, Sean Connery and John Wayne), the scope of the film – which focuses specifically on June 6 itself – is almost as vast as the original D-day operation.

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Keep an eye out for Richard Todd, here in his second D-day film. Todd was a real-life D-day veteran, who parachuted into Normandy on June 6. He plays Major John Howard, who led the famous British glider assault on the bridges over the Caen Canal and Orne River.

5. Overlord (1975)
Taking its name from the official military designation for the Battle for Normandy, Operation Overlord, this is a rather unusual and enigmatic film.

Directed by Stuart Cooper, it follows a young man named Tom (Brian Stirner) from civilian life, to joining up, to D-day. But this is no celebration of martial heroics; it is a sad and sombre tale that lingers on loss.


6. Big Red One (1980)
Drawing on the real war experiences of its director, Samuel Fuller, this film is focused on the same formation as Breakthrough – the 1st Infantry Division (the insignia of which is a "big red one").

It follows a grizzled veteran played by Lee Marvin as he leads his squad of soldiers from North Africa, to Sicily, to Normandy and on into Germany. Among their number is a young private played by Mark Hamill, then at the height of his Star Wars fame.

7. Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Perhaps the most well-known D-day film of the modern era, this Stephen Spielberg production stars Tom Hanks as a US Army Ranger on a special mission. He is to rescue a paratrooper, the eponymous Private Ryan (Matt Damon), given a ticket home by the army top brass after the death in action of his three brothers.

Celebrated on its release for the visceral violence of its opening scenes, the film won a best director Oscar for Spielberg.


8. Ike: Countdown to D-Day (2004)
The figure of General Eisenhower has featured in several D-day films. As overall commander of the operation, it was Eisenhower – or Ike, as he was known – who had ultimate responsibility for deciding when the assault on Normandy would begin.

The discussions that surrounded this decision feature prominently in The Longest Day, but this made-for-television American film puts Ike's burden at its very centre.

9. Les Femmes De L'Ombre Female Agents
D-day films have tended to be very male-centric, giving relatively little space to the contributions made to the success of the landings by women.


This French film flips this on its head and focuses on the invaluable role played in the allied war effort by those women who served in the Special Operations Executive, a secretive espionage and sabotage unit. It follows five female agents as they help prepare the ground in Normandy for D-day.

10. The Great Escaper (2023)
Starring Michael Caine in his final film role, this production is based on the real tale of Royal Navy veteran Bernard Jordan who famously broke out of his care home in June 2014 to attend the 70th anniversary D-day commemorations in Normandy.

Interestingly, another film released the very same year and starring Pierce Brosnan, The Last Rifleman, was also inspired by "Bernie's" great escape.

There's no better way to honor the veterans of D-Day than creating a post to celebrate them and then politicizing their accomplishments in the very next sentence.

Thanks for your comprehensive post lawdog, but the ship has sailed regarding this thread's title.  ;D

It is easy to think that the defeat of the Nazi's was almost preordained. There are many "IFs...followed by coulda or woulda to theorize how the Nazis might have won, but they didn't. There has always been plenty of healthy discussion and disagreements among historians about WWII, but I doubt that many, if any, of them question just how crucial, pivotal, and decisive D-Day was.

I loved the "portrait" of Ike in the movie of the same name. Hopefully it was accurate. The weight of the decisions on his shoulders was surely immense. Tom Selleck played the role masterfully. There was, by many accounts, a good chance that the invasion would fail. Imagine if it had.   

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 09, 2024, 09:06:05 AM
As an evangelical Christian, I firmly believe adultery is okay if the broad is hot and it helps own the libs.  I haven't read the Bible but I am very certain Jesus would believe in 2A

(https://images2.imgbox.com/53/fc/Y7xrfFn4_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/Y7xrfFn4)

Quote from: The Lens on June 09, 2024, 08:24:45 AM
I was down at McKinley marina on Friday and saw a boat flying a flag that said

God, Guns & Trump

I thought to myself how could anyone who read Jesus's words in the Gospel honestly believe this is what he'd want?

Jesus was woke.  He lived with prostitutes & tax collectors, he welcomed all.

If he were here today he'd be at Pride Fest this weekend. He spent his life making sure the marginalized were ok. 

Gods, Guns & Trump.  That's some serious Old Testament stuff.  Turn the page.

The majority of 'christians' today are fake. NO real christian supports the Orange Demon.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 09, 2024, 11:14:16 AM
(https://images2.imgbox.com/53/fc/Y7xrfFn4_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/Y7xrfFn4)

My God, you found him!

We've seen renderings of African Jesus, Hispanic Jesus, Feminine Jesus, Caucasian Jesus even Oriental Jesus.

But Brother TSmith, YOU FOUND HIM!!!!!!!

FLORIDA JESUS!

That's right, Florida Jesus has a concealed carry permit. He (and it's definitely a He), is packing heat. He has a marvelous semi-automatic weapons collection and is better armed than most of our police departments.

Florida Jesus worships the one true God -- STAND YOUR GROUND -- and has only one commandment -- the second amendment!

That's our Florida Jesus -- ready to answer the call!

Now back to D-Day and the heroism our soldiers displayed.

Quote from: dgies9156 on June 09, 2024, 11:56:48 AM
My God, you found him!

We've seen renderings of African Jesus, Hispanic Jesus, Feminine Jesus, Caucasian Jesus even Oriental Jesus.

But Brother TSmith, YOU FOUND HIM!!!!!!!

FLORIDA JESUS!

That's right, Florida Jesus has a concealed carry permit. He (and it's definitely a He), is packing heat. He has a marvelous semi-automatic weapons collection and is better armed than most of our police departments.

Florida Jesus worships the one true God -- STAND YOUR GROUND -- and has only one commandment -- the second amendment!

That's our Florida Jesus -- ready to answer the call!

Now back to D-Day and the heroism our soldiers displayed.

Do unto others before they can do unto you

Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2024, 11:22:17 AM
The majority of 'christians' today are fake. NO real christian supports the Orange Demon.

Show your work.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 09, 2024, 02:09:01 PM
Show your work.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/    covers the 1st sentence.

The 2nd sentence is obvious.

Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2024, 03:13:33 PM

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/30/voters-views-of-trump-and-biden-differ-sharply-by-religion/    covers the 1st sentence.

The 2nd sentence is obvious.

Voting for a person, even one as detestable as Trump, does not make a person "fake" in their religious beliefs. That's you imposing your political beliefs on their faith.

Quote from: MU82 on June 09, 2024, 08:54:37 AM
In accordance with Old Testament rules, the convicted felon should have been stoned to death numerous times already for his serial adultery alone. Not to mention for lying, stealing, taking the lord's name in vain, projecting himself as a god and other commandments he has broken and continues to break.

My friend.  Our God is a great God of forgiveness.
The great King David of Israel was forgiven.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2011-12&version=NIV

Nope. Stone him to death. That's just Leviticus, my friend.

Show him the same mercy and grace he wanted to show the Central Park 5.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 09, 2024, 03:51:55 PM
My friend.  Our God is a great God of forgiveness.
The great King David of Israel was forgiven.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%2011-12&version=NIV

I was taught that God forgives those who acknowledge their sin and seek forgiveness.

You are absolutely right.  King David confessed his sin.
If you are referring to the former President, you will need to ask him.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 09, 2024, 04:35:56 PM
You are absolutely right.  King David confessed his sin.
If you are referring to the former President, you will need to ask him.

No need to ask. He tells us every day.

"It was a failure." - Lindsey Graham today on Face The Nation, talking about D-Day.

Now there's a D-Day take I wouldn't have expected.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 09, 2024, 04:35:56 PM
You are absolutely right.  King David confessed his sin.
If you are referring to the former President, you will need to ask him.

Fox news did back in 2016, I believe. He said he has never asked for forgiveness. Ever. To anyone. Hence, by the very definition of christianity, he is not one.

That was 8-years ago. People change.  Did he? I do not know.

Video found.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7fWWR3og5A

Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2024, 05:40:20 PM
Fox news did back in 2016, I believe. He said he has never asked for forgiveness. Ever. To anyone. Hence, by the very definition of christianity, he is not one.

Christians really don't have a hurdle to jump over to determine whether or not they are Christian other than what they believe.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 09, 2024, 05:43:05 PM
That was 8-years ago. People change.  Did he? I do not know.

Serious, Clark?

The convicted felon is the leader of the Never Apologize brigade.

Lie. Deny. Blame others. Lie. Deny deny. Claim that your rivals are guilty of the very thing you are. Lie. Deny deny deny. Claim that you are more persecuted than Jesus and Mandela were. Lie and deny some more.

It's a playbook he has used over and over again for 8+ years ... and who can blame him? Tens of millions of cultists believe his gospel and worship him no matter the sin.

Quote from: NCMUFan on June 09, 2024, 07:44:23 AM
I'm glad you are beautiful examples of Catholicism and Christianity.  Please keep up the awesome work.

Inshallah

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 09, 2024, 06:23:01 PM
Christians really don't have a hurdle to jump over to determine whether or not they are Christian other than what they believe.

Same with flat earthers.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 09, 2024, 06:23:01 PM
Christians really don't have a hurdle to jump over to determine whether or not they are Christian other than what they believe.

Brother Hippie:

With all due respect, I could not disagree with you more. Being Christian doesn't mean solely believing. It means acting based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. To love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

Many people who never set foot inside a church are wonderful Christians. Many folks who ritually attend Mass or services on Sunday fail to take what they learn as followers of Jesus into their week.

Being a Christian isn't saying -- it's doing! It's a way of life. We can disagree on how but not what!

Quote from: dgies9156 on June 09, 2024, 08:17:03 PM
Brother Hippie:

With all due respect, I could not disagree with you more. Being Christian doesn't mean solely believing. It means acting based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. To love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

Many people who never set foot inside a church are wonderful Christians. Many folks who ritually attend Mass or services on Sunday fail to take what they learn as followers of Jesus into their week.

Being a Christian isn't saying -- it's doing! It's a way of life. We can disagree on how but not what!

Faith alone. Grace alone.

Just doing good things doesn't make one Christian. Church attendance has nothing to do with it.

IBTL

Thank you, heroes.   I appreciate what you did.  I appreciate what you were fighting against and how, sadly, those ideas and hatreds have re-emerged.  I do not believe your heroism was a failure.