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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: PaintTouches on May 22, 2024, 11:27:39 AM
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Nothing good, either in a literal financial sense or in an overarching narrative sense.
https://painttouches.com/2024/05/22/what-does-the-potential-ncaa-settlement-mean-for-marquette-and-the-big-east/?utm_source=muscoop (https://painttouches.com/2024/05/22/what-does-the-potential-ncaa-settlement-mean-for-marquette-and-the-big-east/?utm_source=muscoop)
Here's an example of what it will look like in practice.
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So...
Marquette, along with every other non-FBS school, will be subsidizing back NIL payments to FBS football players.
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So...
Marquette, along with every other non-FBS school, will be subsidizing back NIL payments to FBS football players.
Dammit, that would have saved a lot of typing. Exactly this and with apologies, I'm going to quote you going forward because it's perfect.
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Thank you. Occasionally I can get something right!
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Don't worry, private equity is here to save the day.
https://www.on3.com/news/private-equity-firms-drew-weatherford-infuse-millions-into-cash-strapped-athletic-departments-revenue-sharing-college-football/ (https://www.on3.com/news/private-equity-firms-drew-weatherford-infuse-millions-into-cash-strapped-athletic-departments-revenue-sharing-college-football/)
Nothing has ever gone wrong when PE firms get involved and pitch themselves as the benevolent white knight solution to a problem.
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Don't worry, private equity is here to save the day.
https://www.on3.com/news/private-equity-firms-drew-weatherford-infuse-millions-into-cash-strapped-athletic-departments-revenue-sharing-college-football/ (https://www.on3.com/news/private-equity-firms-drew-weatherford-infuse-millions-into-cash-strapped-athletic-departments-revenue-sharing-college-football/)
Nothing has ever gone wrong when PE firms get involved and pitch themselves as the benevolent white knight solution to a problem.
I don't get it. We've been told by the media that colleges have been making billions off the slave labor. Multi-million dollar buy-outs are merely rounding errors to schools. $500k to MU is like you and I being charged twice for fries at McDonalds. Whoop-de-doo.
Or maybe, just maybe, not all parties to this discussion have been 100% honest?
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I don't get it. We've been told by the media that colleges have been making billions off the slave labor. Multi-million dollar buy-outs are merely rounding errors to schools. $500k to MU is like you and I being charged twice for fries at McDonalds. Whoop-de-doo.
Or maybe, just maybe, not all parties to this discussion have been 100% honest?
I don't think you're being 100% honest with this take either.
I think generally when people talk about schools making billions, they are talking about college football in general making billions, not every individual school within the FBS making billions. And those billions are nowhere close to being evenly distributed. College football making billions and the existence of cash-strapped athletic departments can both be true.
For the elite schools, multi-million dollar buyouts are merely rounding errors. I don't know about MU but to a school like Bama, $500K is not a significant amount of money.
Slave labor is inflammatory and insensitive to the horrors of actual slavery, but the general point that many athletes were grossly underpaid compared to the value that they brought is accurate.
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I will also say that a lot of athletic departments, even though they have raked in the revenue, have also gotten themselves in budget issues because they have tied up a lot of costs in long term capital projects. Oftentimes these projects were initiated years ago, by people who are no longer in charge, yet their successors have had to deal with those costs plus now dealing with the costs of the liabilities in this case as well as paying additional for labor.
Oh and I have never seen an athletic department with a significant operating reserve. They generally spend every nickel they make.
Professional sports has a much longer history of consistent revenues, which are directly tied to player expenses, which makes financial planning much easier. College administrators have had to deal with a potential rapid increase in player costs, without a corresponding increase in revenue. (Except for the B10 and the SEC)
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I don't think you're being 100% honest with this take either.
I think generally when people talk about schools making billions, they are talking about college football in general making billions, not every individual school within the FBS making billions. And those billions are nowhere close to being evenly distributed. College football making billions and the existence of cash-strapped athletic departments can both be true.
For the elite schools, multi-million dollar buyouts are merely rounding errors. I don't know about MU but to a school like Bama, $500K is not a significant amount of money.
Slave labor is inflammatory and insensitive to the horrors of actual slavery, but the general point that many athletes were grossly underpaid compared to the value that they brought is accurate.
I am being 100% honest. There were many TV and radio shows making serious comments about the billions of dollars the schools are making. There was no effort to separate Alabama from Mount Saint Mary's. There were articles and op.ed.s calling the NCAA schools modern slavers.
I agree 100% with everything else you wrote. The slavery comments were gross and completely inaccurate. A total slap in the face to those who have and still experience slavery.
I agree that many players were grossly underpaid, but many are arguably over compensated for sitting at the end of the benches, especially for schools that don't generate meaningful revenues (i.e. Mt. St. Mary's). But in the end, the schools make the decision to participate in and fund DI sports, not the athletes.
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I'm not sure I want to jump into bed with a football conference again, but if the non-football conferences continue to get the short end of the stick, does that increase the motivation to ditch the Big East if a football conference (probably the Big 12) comes calling?
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I'm not sure I want to jump into bed with a football conference again, but if the non-football conferences continue to get the short end of the stick, does that increase the motivation to ditch the Big East if a football conference (probably the Big 12) comes calling?
I'd have to imagine that the Big East is an all or nothing type of acquisition for a conference. Most conferences wouldn't be happy to have these tiny catholic schools come in and beat up their biggest brands every year.
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The settlement is ridiculous but schools like MU are stuck.
Really hope to hear some good news regarding the Big East and a new Fox broadcasting deal soon.
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When the non sports media get ahold of the proportion the "rich" schools are paying, this will not be a PR disaster?
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When the non sports media get ahold of the proportion the "rich" schools are paying, this will not be a PR disaster?
For who? The biggest schools with the biggest fanbases?
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I'm not sure I want to jump into bed with a football conference again, but if the non-football conferences continue to get the short end of the stick, does that increase the motivation to ditch the Big East if a football conference (probably the Big 12) comes calling?
Increase motivation? Even before this, Marquette (and any other Big East school) would crawl through broken glass, give up their left nut, and sacrifice their firstborn for an invite to the B12, SEC, or B1G
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For who? The biggest schools with the biggest fanbases?
Cant.tell if this is snark or a question. I am saying if the 60% is paid by the "smaller" schools wre dont think that could be problematic from a PR standpoint? I presume your answer is there will be zero bad press or no one will care?
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Cant.tell if this is snark or a question. I am saying if the 60% is paid by the "smaller" schools wre dont think that could be problematic from a PR standpoint? I presume your answer is there will be zero bad press or no one will care?
Correct. This is all but a done deal and there has been very little push back on the inequities of the arrangement.
In fact we have people like DeCourcy claiming that mid-majors should "celebrate" this arrangement.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/mid-majors-house-ncaa-settlement-10-more-years-march-madness/b993d171097dd7401a20c652
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How many low major D1 basketball schools will drop basketball because of this? How many kids will lose out on a college education because the athletic scholarship is no longer there? I am talking about non-revenue sports here as well.
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How many low major D1 basketball schools will drop basketball because of this? How many kids will lose out on a college education because the athletic scholarship is no longer there?
1. None
2. No more than would have otherwise. As I have said before, athletic teams are mostly recruiting tools for many of those schools.
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Correct. This is all but a done deal and there has been very little push back on the inequities of the arrangement.
In fact we have people like DeCourcy claiming that mid-majors should "celebrate" this arrangement.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/mid-majors-house-ncaa-settlement-10-more-years-march-madness/b993d171097dd7401a20c652
Terrible take. Andrei and I are having fun roasting him for this ridiculous A5 defense. And DeCourcy always takes the bait.
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Increase motivation? Even before this, Marquette (and any other Big East school) would crawl through broken glass, give up their left nut, and sacrifice their firstborn for an invite to the B12, SEC, or B1G
At least half wouldn't.
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How many low major D1 basketball schools will drop basketball because of this? How many kids will lose out on a college education because the athletic scholarship is no longer there? I am talking about non-revenue sports here as well.
This is when a new basketball version of FCS forms.
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At least half wouldn't.
It's adorable you think that
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Correct. This is all but a done deal and there has been very little push back on the inequities of the arrangement.
In fact we have people like DeCourcy claiming that mid-majors should "celebrate" this arrangement.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/mid-majors-house-ncaa-settlement-10-more-years-march-madness/b993d171097dd7401a20c652
Sorry. Got it. The only thing I will say is that the sports media might kowtow a bit. Will be interesting when the non-sports press weighs in. Not saying you are wrong but that will be interesting.
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Sorry. Got it. The only thing I will say is that the sports media might kow tow a bit. Will be interesting when the non-sports press weighs in. Not saying you are wrong but that will be interesting.
It's summer...it's an election year.
I doubt we hear a peep from the non-sports media outside of the "they are finally paying the players" line.
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Terrible take. Andrei and I are having fun roasting him for this ridiculous A5 defense. And DeCourcy always takes the bait.
This is the x thread Brew is referring to - its LOL. Well done Brew!
https://x.com/brewcity1977/status/1793375360610124083
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This is the x thread Brew is referring to - its LOL. Well done Brew!
https://x.com/brewcity1977/status/1793375360610124083
https://www.avg.com/en/signal/how-to-delete-twitter
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This is the x thread Brew is referring to - its LOL. Well done Brew!
https://x.com/brewcity1977/status/1793375360610124083
That Big Ten TV check isn’t writing itself
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So essentially state governments looking to private entities to bail out their screw ups. That's a first. ::)
This is payback for the whole GM thing?
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More suits coming.
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REM Its the end of the world as we know it
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A straight professional league now?
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Terrible take. Andrei and I are having fun roasting him for this ridiculous A5 defense. And DeCourcy always takes the bait.
Well, we all know Ty can't read but who knew you and Andrea can't do math?
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A straight professional league now?
Now?
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Well, we all know Ty can't read but who knew you and Andrea can't do math?
Do you also not understand the meaning of proportionality?
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Good article from cbs:
http://https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/historic-house-case-settlement-has-college-basketball-not-college-football-to-thank-for-saving-the-ncaa/[url]
The NCAA tournament, through this settlement, saves the 'power 4' conferences a ton of money, and the other conferences get for unlawful carnal knowledged.
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Do you also not understand the meaning of proportionality?
Sorry, I forgot the teal.
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Good article from cbs:
http://https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/historic-house-case-settlement-has-college-basketball-not-college-football-to-thank-for-saving-the-ncaa/[url]
The NCAA tournament, through this settlement, saves the 'power 4' conferences a ton of money, and the other conferences get for unlawful carnal knowledged.
The Pauper 4
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I would expect eventual lawsuits against the NCAA for requiring the employees also to be students and to maintain specific GPAs/degree progress. Also, why limit them to only 4-years, there are no such limits on any other students and their employment with the universities.
There already will be no scholarship limits (replaced with roster limits), it is hard to argue that they are "student athletes" and not "compensated employees." So why the requirement of being a student, and limits on the duration they can be involved.
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I would expect eventual lawsuits against the NCAA for requiring the employees also to be students and to maintain specific GPAs/degree progress. Also, why limit them to only 4-years, there are no such limits on any other students and their employment with the universities.
There already will be no scholarship limits (replaced with roster limits), it is hard to argue that they are "student athletes" and not "compensated employees." So why the requirement of being a student, and limits on the duration they can be involved.
Some may take your post as sarcasm but I can easily see that happening. A player charged with rape was allowed by a judge to play because not playing would negatively impact his NIL earning potential and NBA prospects. So what if a kid failed every class he took…or had to take classes? He needs to play and make money.
If they are employees they aren’t held to academic standards anymore.
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I would expect eventual lawsuits against the NCAA for requiring the employees also to be students and to maintain specific GPAs/degree progress. Also, why limit them to only 4-years, there are no such limits on any other students and their employment with the universities.
There already will be no scholarship limits (replaced with roster limits), it is hard to argue that they are "student athletes" and not "compensated employees." So why the requirement of being a student, and limits on the duration they can be involved.
There are plenty of regular students who are paid by their universities and required to maintain GPAs and graduation requirements. Grad assistants, RAs, etc. I don't think there's an argument to be had there.
Four years of eligibility though, that might be open to a lawsuit.
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I would expect eventual lawsuits against the NCAA for requiring the employees also to be students and to maintain specific GPAs/degree progress. Also, why limit them to only 4-years, there are no such limits on any other students and their employment with the universities.
There already will be no scholarship limits (replaced with roster limits), it is hard to argue that they are "student athletes" and not "compensated employees." So why the requirement of being a student, and limits on the duration they can be involved.
That would be great. Pickleball becomes an NCAA sport, and I regain eligibility around age 60 and win a championship.
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If they are employees they aren’t held to academic standards anymore.
Every work place holds employees to some kind of standards.
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Every work place holds employees to some kind of standards.
True. They have to preform on the field or court. Just like every other pro athlete.
The players, coaches, media and politicians want these athletes treated like the professionals they are, so people need to stop treating them like students and respect their wishes. Who cares if they understand economics or biology. Nobody expects Bucks players to quote Shakespere.
The schools and NCAA have been b1tch slapped for trying to deny these people thier place as pro athletes. I think we all need be respectful.
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True. They have to preform on the field or court. Just like every other pro athlete.
The players, coaches, media and politicians want these athletes treated like the professionals they are, so people need to stop treating them like students and respect their wishes. Who cares if they understand economics or biology. Nobody expects Bucks players to quote Shakespere.
The schools and NCAA have been b1tch slapped for trying to deny these people thier place as pro athletes. I think we all need be respectful.
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True. They have to preform on the field or court. Just like every other pro athlete.
The players, coaches, media and politicians want these athletes treated like the professionals they are, so people need to stop treating them like students and respect their wishes. Who cares if they understand economics or biology. Nobody expects Bucks players to quote Shakespere.
The schools and NCAA have been b1tch slapped for trying to deny these people thier place as pro athletes. I think we all need be respectful.
Man is this stupid.
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Some may take your post as sarcasm but I can easily see that happening. A player charged with rape was allowed by a judge to play because not playing would negatively impact his NIL earning potential and NBA prospects. So what if a kid failed every class he took…or had to take classes? He needs to play and make money.
If they are employees they aren’t held to academic standards anymore.
Making student-athletes employees allowed to collectively bargain may be problematic but that's a wait and see. MU82 makes a valid point so your extreme example is unlikely to occur. The bolded part is flat out inaccurate. The player was being held to a different standard than all other students at the university and the university was unable to provide a justification for doing so. The judicial opinion actually made sense. (Of course it appears that the university slow walked the ensuing internal investigation but that's a different issue.)
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Man is this stupid.
Why?
The pro-NIL and pro-pay folks have made it abundantly clear that that college associated football and basketball is the only reasonably viable way to become a NFL or NBA player. So you think it is fair to deny an individual of that opportunity because they are not inclined to or lack the ability in succeed in scholastic endeavors?
People don't have to graduate from high school to participate in or be successful in tech, baseball, logistics, arts, etc.
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Why?
The pro-NIL and pro-pay folks have made it abundantly clear that that college associated football and basketball is the only reasonably viable way to become a NFL or NBA player. So you think it is fair to deny an individual of that opportunity because they are not inclined to or lack the ability in succeed in scholastic endeavors?
People don't have to graduate from high school to participate in or be successful in tech, baseball, logistics, arts, etc.
Schools are still allowed to enroll and employ who they wish.
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Schools are still allowed to enroll and employ who they wish.
I don't think you really meant to write that.
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I don't think you really meant to write that.
What?
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True. They have to preform on the field or court. Just like every other pro athlete.
The players, coaches, media and politicians want these athletes treated like the professionals they are, so people need to stop treating them like students and respect their wishes. Who cares if they understand economics or biology. Nobody expects Bucks players to quote Shakespere.
The schools and NCAA have been b1tch slapped for trying to deny these people thier place as pro athletes. I think we all need be respectful.
Every work place holds employees to some kind of standards.
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Every work place holds employees to some kind of standards.
Including colleges and universities when they employ students. Why do people build these odd narratives?
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Including colleges and universities when they employ students. Why do people build these odd narratives?
White Trash has made it clear he hates the new world of college athletics and wants the good ol’ days back.
It’s that simple and why he comes up with outlandish scenarios
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White Trash has made it clear he hates the new world of college athletics and wants the good ol’ days back.
It’s that simple and why he comes up with outlandish scenarios
It would be nice if he actually made a logical argument.
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Making student-athletes employees allowed to collectively bargain may be problematic but that's a wait and see. MU82 makes a valid point so your extreme example is unlikely to occur. The bolded part is flat out inaccurate. The player was being held to a different standard than all other students at the university and the university was unable to provide a justification for doing so. The judicial opinion actually made sense. (Of course it appears that the university slow walked the ensuing internal investigation but that's a different issue.)
From his law firm:
Further, the Court found, using relevant case law (Ganden v. NCAA, 1006 WL 680000 at *6 (ND Ill. Nov. 21, 1996), Huntsonville Cmty. Unit Sch. Dist. No. 1 v. Illinois High Sch. Ass’n, 195 N.E.3d 662 (5th Dist. 2021)) that TJ would be irreparably harmed as 1) his draft stock had already begun to plummet since his suspension, 2) he could lose compensation through loss of his NIL deal as his name, image, and likeness is worth very little if he is not on the basketball court, and 3) he loses opportunities to play basketball at the highest level on a national stage.
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What?
Ask any attorney or hr professional if your statement is correct.
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Ask any attorney or hr professional if your statement is correct.
You don't think colleges and universities are allowed to enroll or employ who they wish?
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My guess is that what is current D1 College Sports will evolve into Minor League Sports. The Universities will license the use of their names to a business entity that will manage the teams or an entire league.
There would be a draft etc and player movement
There will be a second lower level for student athletes that will roughly be equivalent to todays D3 with no scholarships etc
The fans who have no affiliation with the University(eg Walmart Badger Fans most of SEC and Notre Dame etc) and consume their college sports through TV will not see any difference
In theory the networks could be the tram owners to ensure content
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You don't think colleges and universities are allowed to enroll or employ who they wish?
There a many laws or legal precedents that govern the way schools, businesses and governmental entities can hire or conduct admissions.
Schools until recently did not "wish" to pay athletes or allow them to profit from NIL. Their desire to conduct business as they saw fit was not deemed allowable.
The Illinois player example from this year where the school's ability to do as they "wished" was denied.
Affirmative Action was shot down to not allow schools to do as they "wish".
Is it very crazy to envision, either by law suit, legislation, or simply a school's desire to win games that educational standards would be set aside? The core of any decision to do so would be that 1)the only viable option to advance one's professional athletic career is through college sports (that box is checked, correct?), and 2)that the academic requirements are not material to the players chosen career (I think that is a very easy box to check).
Firefighter or police qualification exams can not ask candidates about calculus or philosophy because those are not material to performing the jobs they wish to peruse. Legal challenges have shaped those exams over the years and in those cases the "wishes" of a city, state or department have been denied.
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Yeah, none of this really addresses the point that colleges and universities can enroll who they wish and employ who they wish. None of what is occurring is going to force a schools to enroll someone, or force them to employ someone, they don't want to.
I mean...firefighter or police exams? LOL...c'mon... You're making a lot of leaps in logic here.
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Yeah, none of this really addresses the point that colleges and universities can enroll who they wish and employ who they wish. None of what is occurring is going to force a schools to enroll someone, or force them to employ someone, they don't want to.
I mean...firefighter or police exams? LOL...c'mon... You're making a lot of leaps in logic here.
"none of this really addresses the point that colleges and universities can enroll who they wish and employ who they wish." Really? Please explain how my Affirmative Action example does not directly address your point.
To focus on the firefighter and police exams example is telling. I mentioned that last to point out that hiring policies are not an organizations' choice alone. What is occurring in college sports has been underpinned by arguments that these NCAA institutions should not be allowed to operate in a bubble with separate rules from the rest of the country. Hence my example.
We will not agree on this issue. That's fine.
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There a many laws or legal precedents that govern the way schools, businesses and governmental entities can hire or conduct admissions.
Schools until recently did not "wish" to pay athletes or allow them to profit from NIL. Their desire to conduct business as they saw fit was not deemed allowable.
The Illinois player example from this year where the school's ability to do as they "wished" was denied.
Affirmative Action was shot down to not allow schools to do as they "wish".
Is it very crazy to envision, either by law suit, legislation, or simply a school's desire to win games that educational standards would be set aside? The core of any decision to do so would be that 1)the only viable option to advance one's professional athletic career is through college sports (that box is checked, correct?), and 2)that the academic requirements are not material to the players chosen career (I think that is a very easy box to check).
Firefighter or police qualification exams can not ask candidates about calculus or philosophy because those are not material to performing the jobs they wish to peruse. Legal challenges have shaped those exams over the years and in those cases the "wishes" of a city, state or department have been denied.
You could get the major league teams in every sport to pay their salaries as well effectively becoming the minor leagues. Let’s just hope MU and the Big East will be triple A and not single A. If they are single A, I personally wont have as much interest in “college basketball” any more.
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You could get the major league teams in every sport to pay their salaries as well effectively becoming the minor leagues. Let’s just hope MU and the Big East will be triple A and not single A. If they are single A, I personally wont have as much interest in “college basketball” any more.
I don't think we can view college teams as anything but minor league organizations.
We'd be foolish to think any school would turn down capital investments if the source is legitimate and non-controversial, but my hope would be that the schools remain unaffiliated with major league teams. Probably wishful thinking.
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"none of this really addresses the point that colleges and universities can enroll who they wish and employ who they wish." Really? Please explain how my Affirmative Action example does not directly address your point.
Because if a college or university decides to enroll someone, they can. If they want to employ that person, they can.
And if they decide that they no longer want them employed as a basketball player, you can cease their employment. Just like you can the student who works at the library. If they break a student code of some sort, they can decide that they should no longer be a student.
We will not agree on this issue. That's fine.
There is nothing to agree or disagree with. You are flat out wrong.
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"none of this really addresses the point that colleges and universities can enroll who they wish and employ who they wish." Really? Please explain how my Affirmative Action example does not directly address your point.
To focus on the firefighter and police exams example is telling. I mentioned that last to point out that hiring policies are not an organizations' choice alone. What is occurring in college sports has been underpinned by arguments that these NCAA institutions should not be allowed to operate in a bubble with separate rules from the rest of the country. Hence my example.
We will not agree on this issue. That's fine.
Employers/schools may employ/enroll whomever they wish, provided they are not discriminating against candidates on the basis of a characteristic protected under law. If you want to be pedantic, you can consider these anti-discrimination laws a restriction on employers' ability to choose candidates they want, but I don't think that's much of an argument.
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Because if a college or university decides to enroll someone, they can. If they want to employ that person, they can.
And if they decide that they no longer want them employed as a basketball player, you can cease their employment. Just like you can the student who works at the library. If they break a student code of some sort, they can decide that they should no longer be a student.
There is nothing to agree or disagree with. You are flat out wrong.
LOL. Dig In, Double Down.
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LOL. Dig In, Double Down.
Nope. As has been pointed out, you are being overly pedantic and not using any logic to support your argument.
The fact remains that colleges and universities can enroll and employ who they wish.
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Employers/schools may employ/enroll whomever they wish, provided they are not discriminating against candidates on the basis of a characteristic protected under law. If you want to be pedantic, you can consider these anti-discrimination laws a restriction on employers' ability to choose candidates they want, but I don't think that's much of an argument.
The whole impetus for the changes in college sports have been based upon unfair labor practices. If you think that legislative changes and legal decisions were overstepping and unneeded for athletes who freely entered into the terms of their "employment", then to paint me as pedantic would be fair.
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Firefighter or police qualification exams can not ask candidates about calculus or philosophy because those are not material to performing the jobs they wish to peruse. Legal challenges have shaped those exams over the years and in those cases the "wishes" of a city, state or department have been denied.
I'm going to guess you haven't taken many firefighter qualification examinations. You'd be surprised how much math, and college level math, is on there. Pumping dynamics are all mathematically based and understanding friction loss, pressures required to supply water vertically through a standpipe, and other mathematical concepts actually are relevant to public servants.
As far as philosophy, the bulk of the oral exam I took involved ethical questions and how to respond in various situations that mixed ethics and philosophy. All of those concepts go into the scoring system to differentiate candidates.
If anything, those topics have become more, not less, prevalent in recent years.
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The whole impetus for the changes in college sports have been based upon unfair labor practices. If you think that legislative changes and legal decisions were overstepping and unneeded for athletes who freely entered into the terms of their "employment", then to paint me as pedantic would be fair.
Every work place holds employees to some kind of standards.
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I'm going to guess you haven't taken many firefighter qualification examinations. You'd be surprised how much math, and college level math, is on there. Pumping dynamics are all mathematically based and understanding friction loss, pressures required to supply water vertically through a standpipe, and other mathematical concepts actually are relevant to public servants.
As far as philosophy, the bulk of the oral exam I took involved ethical questions and how to respond in various situations that mixed ethics and philosophy. All of those concepts go into the scoring system to differentiate candidates.
If anything, those topics have become more, not less, prevalent in recent years.
I have never taken a firefighters exam.
I was specific in the type of math I mentioned for a reason. My assumption is firefighters need significant knowledge of certain math, engineering, physics and chemistry.
And while, in a general sense, ethics is a branch of philosophy, but I don't think having logic based argument on the meaning of life or a background in the theories of Freud is a job requirement.
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Every work place holds employees to some kind of standards.
Agreed, but they don't have complete independence on what the standards are.
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Agreed, but they don't have complete independence on what the standards are.
True. But you have no idea what academic standards colleges and universities will and willn't be allowed to set for athletes and neither do I. But you're the only one here who keeps speculating over and over again on the subject as if he's an authority on it.
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True. But you have no idea what academic standards colleges and universities will and willn't be allowed to set for athletes and neither do I. But you're the only one here who keeps speculating over and over again on the subject as if he's an authority on it.
I'm not the authority. Just a MU fan, posting on a fan site. But, I was not the only one making authoritative and definitive statements.
The point was, IMO, there a path for having non student players and, like with NIL and pay, the schools may not be making that decision. But a likely scenario could be that being a student is agreed to in a CBA.
I didn't intend to say I know 100% that is happening.
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If they are employees they aren’t held to academic standards anymore.
They really haven't been in decades anyways.
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I'm not the authority. Just a MU fan, posting on a fan site. But, I was not the only one making authoritative and definitive statements.
The point was, IMO, there a path for having non student players and, like with NIL and pay, the schools may not be making that decision. But a likely scenario could be that being a student is agreed to in a CBA.
I didn't intend to say I know 100% that is happening.
OK.
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I'm not the authority. Just a MU fan, posting on a fan site. But, I was not the only one making authoritative and definitive statements.
The point was, IMO, there a path for having non student players and, like with NIL and pay, the schools may not be making that decision. But a likely scenario could be that being a student is agreed to in a CBA.
I didn't intend to say I know 100% that is happening.
Agreed.
Plenty of people are making the argument that some players were getting paid all along, now it’s just out in the open.
Well, there have been plenty of players that weren’t “students” all along. Why would it be surprising if some schools lobbied for that to just be out in the open now? That way they can’t get penalized.
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Agreed.
Plenty of people are making the argument that some players were getting paid all along, now it’s just out in the open.
Well, there have been plenty of players that weren’t “students” all along. Why would it be surprising if some schools lobbied for that to just be out in the open now? That way they can’t get penalized.
Make basketball or any sport for that matter, a major.
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Make basketball or any sport for that matter, a major.
Yeah, that's not really a thing.
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Yeah, that's not really a thing.
I’m kidding but not kidding. It is a trade like any other profession, I suppose.
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I’m kidding but not kidding. It is a trade like any other profession, I suppose.
I get it. But practically, whenever a school begins a new academic program, it needs to be approved by an accrediting agency. No accrediting agency is going to accept a major in a sport however.
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I get it. But practically, whenever a school begins a new academic program, it needs to be approved by an accrediting agency. No accrediting agency is going to accept a major in a sport however.
Fair enough. That closes that discussion point then.
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I get it. But practically, whenever a school begins a new academic program, it needs to be approved by an accrediting agency. No accrediting agency is going to accept a major in a sport however.
That won't stop North Carolina. ;D
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I get it. But practically, whenever a school begins a new academic program, it needs to be approved by an accrediting agency. No accrediting agency is going to accept a major in a sport however.
There are already accredited degrees at the Bachelors, Masters, and Doctoral levels for "Sports studies." It would not be hard for them to get a degree accredited for "Basketball Studies" at all.
I guarantee you I could write up a degree plan and get it approved, it isn't that hard.
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There are already accredited degrees at the Bachelors, Masters, and Doctoral levels for "Sports studies." It would not be hard for them to get a degree accredited for "Basketball Studies" at all.
I guarantee you I could write up a degree plan and get it approved, it isn't that hard.
OK, you would know more than me. But it would need to be more than simply playing the sport right?
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OK, you would know more than me. But it would need to be more than simply playing the sport right?
Most definitely, it would follow a mold of Sports Studies/Sports Management/Sports Communication programs but with some basketball specific electives.
No university would make the major though, as it would cost more to create the extra classes for limited to no benefit, because other majors exist already that would suffice for the cause. Like this program at UT-Austin.
https://education.utexas.edu/academics/bachelors/physical-culture-sports/ (https://education.utexas.edu/academics/bachelors/physical-culture-sports/)
In some of these "Sports Studies" type programs you see greater than 90% of the majors/students are athletes.