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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenEagles03 on May 13, 2024, 02:32:02 PM
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https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1790102124275134613?t=z7R5hJwca5KxfMZH8_WoUQ&s=19
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Bb measurements
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Kolek went 16/25 from 3% for 64% and currently sits 6th overall.
Few BE players to note:
Baylor Scheierman 10/25 for 40% - yikes - currently 28th.
Alex Karban 21/25 for 84% - and is in first by a mile - Karaban might be playing himself into round 1.
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Karaban also #1 off the dribble shooting - https://twitter.com/DaveBorges/status/1790117949258260880/photo/1
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Karaban can play himself into the NBA all he wants. I wish him well
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Yup. Play your way into the first round. No longer MU's problem.
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It's crazy to me that Karaban isn't coming into the combine as a shoo-in first round pick in this year's draft. With his size and shooting ability I would've guessed he'd be closer to the lottery than the second round.
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It's crazy to me that Karaban isn't coming into the combine as a shoo-in first round pick in this year's draft. With his size and shooting ability I would've guessed he'd be closer to the lottery than the second round.
Guessing that has changed today. I think he's looking at an O-Max type rise, quite possibly into the top-20 if not late lottery.
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https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1790160486568505463?t=FQ4w2a2gPSyytiyWpG7XPg&s=19
Tyler making the nets sing
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https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1790160486568505463?t=FQ4w2a2gPSyytiyWpG7XPg&s=19
Tyler making the nets sing
Good to see - he finished 6th overall in mid range and 7th overall in the 3 point star drill yesterday. Not shabby at all.
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Good to see - he finished 6th overall in mid range and 7th overall in the 3 point star drill yesterday. Not shabby at all.
What's mid range?
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What's mid range?
Mid range a variety of 25 shots taken from around the foul line elbow area (15ft) to a few feet inside the 3 point line (20-21 feet approximately)
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Mid range a variety of 25 shots taken from around the foul line elbow area (15ft) to a few feet inside the 3 point line (20-21 feet approximately)
We at MU are not allowed to utter the phrase mid-range
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We at MU are not allowed to utter the phrase mid-range
I apologize - I will never bring it up again. :)
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Mid range is what Oso needed to develop last season in order to get drafted this year. 🙄
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Mid range is what Oso needed to develop last season in order to get drafted this year. 🙄
Push shot from 20 feet?
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Can someone confirm if Bronny James is at the combine. I heard that rumor.
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Can someone confirm if Bronny James is at the combine. I heard that rumor.
It's true and pretty widely reported that he is.
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It's true and pretty widely reported that he is.
Granted, not some of my best work
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Granted, not some of my best work
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Poe's law strikes again.
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Anybody catch Oso in the scrimmage on ESPN 2? 4th quarter still to come. Caught a few minutes of the 3rd and Oso wasn't terribly involved offensively. Good d though.
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Little shaka interview at combine today
https://twitter.com/TheAndyKatz/status/1790495765019742515?t=6daoTXuQx8C71hBqywNH8Q&s=19
There is also a little hidden secret in there we will find out in due time.
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This is pretty dope
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1790520525791297914
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Please be at Minnesota!!
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Baylor Scheierman securing a top 40 spot today at worst
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For Marquettes sake, hope Karaban stays in the draft. Him and McNeeley would be likely best shooting 3/4 combo in CBB
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This is pretty dope
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1790520525791297914
That’s awesome.
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Excellent day for TyKo
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This is pretty dope
https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1790520525791297914
Nice!
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5503204/2024/05/19/bronny-james-nba-draft-combine-takeaways/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=9892193&userId=9672019
I like the line about Ben Gold possibly sitting in the same space a year from now.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5503204/2024/05/19/bronny-james-nba-draft-combine-takeaways/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=9892193&userId=9672019
I like the line about Ben Gold possibly sitting in the same space a year from now.
Dung Willie in disarray
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Dung Willie in disarray
Never forget about that growing gap, guys.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5503204/2024/05/19/bronny-james-nba-draft-combine-takeaways/?source=pulsenewsletter&campaign=9892193&userId=9672019
I like the line about Ben Gold possibly sitting in the same space a year from now.
I haven't been to the site lately, but in the link, it was stated Tyler Kolek may have hurt his draft stock by not participating in the five-on-five games. Does anyone have any intel on why?
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I have vicarious PTSD from Justin Lewis pulling out of the combine scrimmages. That memory makes it hard to feel like sitting out is ever the right decision for a non-lottery pick. I'm sure Kolek's decision was agent-driven. I hope they're right.
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I have vicarious PTSD from Justin Lewis pulling out of the combine scrimmages. That memory makes it hard to feel like sitting out is ever the right decision for a non-lottery pick. I'm sure Kolek's decision was agent-driven. I hope they're right.
I get it, but different situations. Justin had one breakout year. Tyler is a two-time All-American and won a BE POTY. He's a far more proven quantity at this point.
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I get it, but different situations. Justin had one breakout year. Tyler is a two-time All-American and won a BE POTY. He's a far more proven quantity at this point.
TKO is more accomplished collegiately sure, but I could sure see an argument that Justin was a better prospect post combine than TKO is right now.
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TKO is more accomplished collegiately sure, but I could sure see an argument that Justin was a better prospect post combine than TKO is right now.
Not sure about that. Tyler has some legit NBA level skills. His passing, vision, and shooting are all NBA level. I don't know that Justin was elite enough at any one thing to be a better prospect. Though I also would've liked to see TK play.
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Not sure about that. Tyler has some legit NBA level skills. His passing, vision, and shooting are all NBA level. I don't know that Justin was elite enough at any one thing to be a better prospect. Though I also would've liked to see TK play.
I agree with brew here. Tyler is way better at his role (PG) than Justin was in his. Really the biggest concerns with Tyler is his shooting (which he addressed at the combine and likely is why he didn't play) and his defense.
Justin was average athletically and not really elite at anything.
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Not sure about that. Tyler has some legit NBA level skills. His passing, vision, and shooting are all NBA level. I don't know that Justin was elite enough at any one thing to be a better prospect. Though I also would've liked to see TK play.
He's also well below average on many of the physical aspects of the game, 3 years older than Justin was, and in a a historically weak draft. Justin was not elite at any specific skill, but had the dimensions where all it took was one team thinking they could develop his shot.
Love TKO, hope he can stick, but there's a reason that there's not a ton of below the rim players in the NBA. Also, did not say that Justin was a better prospect, just that I can see an argument that he is.
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He's also well below average on many of the physical aspects of the game, 3 years older than Justin was, and in a a historically weak draft. Justin was not elite at any specific skill, but had the dimensions where all it took was one team thinking they could develop his shot.
Love TKO, hope he can stick, but there's a reason that there's not a ton of below the rim players in the NBA. Also, did not say that Justin was a better prospect, just that I can see an argument that he is.
I think he'll stick, but could envision a scenario he doesn't. I don't think there is any chance he's in danger of falling out of the top 40. I expect him to go first round.
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He's also well below average on many of the physical aspects of the game, 3 years older than Justin was, and in a a historically weak draft. Justin was not elite at any specific skill, but had the dimensions where all it took was one team thinking they could develop his shot.
Love TKO, hope he can stick, but there's a reason that there's not a ton of below the rim players in the NBA. Also, did not say that Justin was a better prospect, just that I can see an argument that he is.
If there is any position that can be below the rim in the NBA, it would be at PG.
I think he'll stick, but could envision a scenario he doesn't. I don't think there is any chance he's in danger of falling out of the top 40. I expect him to go first round.
Completely agree here.
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I think he'll stick, but could envision a scenario he doesn't. I don't think there is any chance he's in danger of falling out of the top 40. I expect him to go first round.
Agreed, he'll get a shot, I just hope he can adjust to a game where everyone is bigger/faster/stronger on both ends of the court.
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I haven't been to the site lately, but in the link, it was stated Tyler Kolek may have hurt his draft stock by not participating in the five-on-five games. Does anyone have any intel on why?
Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.
"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.
"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."
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Well, Jeremy Lynn had some success in the NBA. Ty's play is similar to Lynn's IMHO, but you guys would know better than me.
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Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.
"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.
"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."
Also, Tyler can't read so he didn't know what time the game was
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Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.
"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.
"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."
Interesting marketing strategy. Tyler can play that way if he wants. We all know he can rack up the points.
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Really the biggest concerns with Tyler is his shooting (which he addressed at the combine and likely is why he didn't play)
Wat. You don’t really think teams were like, “welp, wasn’t sure in his shooting, but after that 25-shot drill with no defender, it’s clear we were wrong ball is hood over here!!” ?!?!
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Let's let him answer that in his own words:
Kolek opted out of the combine's five-on-five games, which can often look like disorganized pickup runs.
"We just thought that the brand of basketball that they play here isn't the style that I play," he said. "I'm getting people involved, I'm sharing the ball, playing the right way.
"It felt like a lot of guys are just trying to get their games off here. Not trying to play the right way. It wouldn't showcase what I can do the best of my ability."
Talked to a friend who is a former NBA scout who was at the combine and asked about Kolek not playing. He said playing st the Combine only really helps players, it rarely hurts. His opinion was Kolek’s draft status wasn’t hurt by him not playing as scouts have seen him enough to know his game, he was a two time All American.
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I haven't been to the site lately, but in the link, it was stated Tyler Kolek may have hurt his draft stock by not participating in the five-on-five games. Does anyone have any intel on why?
Tyler has a first round guarantee.
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Talked to a friend who is a former NBA scout who was at the combine and asked about Kolek not playing. He said playing st the Combine only really helps players, it rarely hurts. His opinion was Kolek’s draft status wasn’t hurt by him not playing as scouts have seen him enough to know his game, he was a two time All American.
That statement kind of makes no sense, Noah fence. Thanks for the insider info though.
“Playing at the combine only really helps, rarely hurts”
“Koleks draft status wasn’t hurt by him not playing”
I get the sentiment, but if the first part is true then the second part can’t really be true.
If players are rarely hurt and only really helped by playing, then TyKo not playing at best didn’t make his status worse, but more than likely or at worst affected the improvement of his status, or in other words hurt his status.
Unless he’s going to the wolves in the top 15 to play the pick n roll with wemby, and his agent has a feeling or has been given the feeling that’s the case, then huh?
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That statement kind of makes no sense, Noah fence. Thanks for the insider info though.
“Playing at the combine only really helps, rarely hurts”
“Koleks draft status wasn’t hurt by him not playing”
I get the sentiment, but if the first part is true then the second part can’t really be true.
If players are rarely hurt and only really helped by playing, then TyKo not playing at best didn’t make his status worse, but more than likely or at worst affected the improvement of his status, or in other words hurt his status.
Unless he’s going to the wolves in the top 15 to play the pick n roll with wemby, and his agent has a feeling or has been given the feeling that’s the case, then huh?
Damn things are really going well for Minny.
They got Ant. A chance at a title. Plus Wemby on his way and a top 15 pick??
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That statement kind of makes no sense, Noah fence. Thanks for the insider info though.
“Playing at the combine only really helps, rarely hurts”
“Koleks draft status wasn’t hurt by him not playing”
I get the sentiment, but if the first part is true then the second part can’t really be true.
If players are rarely hurt and only really helped by playing, then TyKo not playing at best didn’t make his status worse, but more than likely or at worst affected the improvement of his status, or in other words hurt his status.
Unless he’s going to the wolves in the top 15 to play the pick n roll with wemby, and his agent has a feeling or has been given the feeling that’s the case, then huh?
basically, not playing at the combine won't hurt someone or cause him to drop. Playing can launch a lesser prospect should a coach fall in love with him while watching. Kolek isn't going to drop in the minds of GMs and scouts for not playing, but someone who may not have been on a team's radar might jump up and get drafter higher than he would have (it happened when my buddy was scouting and his HC fell in love with a guy). The concern of the poster was that not playing would be seen as a negative for Kolek, which it won't.
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Oso raining jumpers
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1793668624819089755
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Oso raining jumpers
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1793668624819089755
An excellent display of conditioning and versatility for Oso . Hopefully the scouts view this positively.
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Oso raining jumpers
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1793668624819089755
Still has horrible form. He’s 6’9 and his release point might be lower than mine somehow.
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Still has horrible form. He’s 6’9 and his release point might be lower than mine somehow.
Yeah I mean I was mostly saying it in jest.
It is better he made them than missed them, but I doubt it impacts his draft stock at all.
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Oso's release point is so low he should come back to Marquette for one more year
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Still has horrible form. He’s 6’9 and his release point might be lower than mine somehow.
Saw a Shawn Marion comp for Oso and thought that was an interesting comp. Marion was a swiss army knife kind of player with a low release point on his perimeter shot too. Oso's probably a little more athletic than Shawn Marion.
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Saw a Shawn Marion comp for Oso and thought that was an interesting comp. Marion was a swiss army knife kind of player with a low release point on his perimeter shot too. Oso's probably a little more athletic than Shawn Marion.
So we had TJ McConnell and Shawn Marion on our team last year and couldn't make it out of the S16 :(
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So we had TJ McConnell and Shawn Marion on our team last year and couldn't make it out of the S16 :(
Worse, it was Stockton and Malone.
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Nash and Amarie
But they didn’t accomplish anything in the playoffs either
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Saw a Shawn Marion comp for Oso and thought that was an interesting comp. Marion was a swiss army knife kind of player with a low release point on his perimeter shot too. Oso's probably a little more athletic than Shawn Marion.
Oh man, I don't know about Oso being more athletic than Shawn Marion.
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Oh man, I don't know about Oso being more athletic than Shawn Marion.
They're both freaks. Check out Oso's combine athletic numbers. They're actually insane.
I'd love to have seen Shawns... did they measure them the same way back then?
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They're both freaks. Check out Oso's combine athletic numbers. They're actually insane.
I'd love to have seen Shawns... did they measure them the same way back then?
Right, that is why I said "I don't know." Cause Marion was very much athletic.
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I was real happy to see Oso and Juan Toscano ran into each other at the Klutch pro day thing
https://www.instagram.com/marquette.basketball/p/C7SqZliMEVP/
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So we had TJ McConnell and Shawn Marion on our team last year and couldn't make it out of the S16 :(
But it's an improvement from 2023, when we couldn't make it TO the S16.
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But it's an improvement from 2023, when we couldn't make it TO the S16.
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Worse, it was Stockton and Malone.
TKO was the Malone comp because he couldn't read.
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If we keep going one step further in the tournament every year, I'm guessing we'll all be very happy fans in 4 years.
2021 - No Tournament
2022 - First Round
2023 - Second Round
2024 - Sweet 16
2025 - Elite 8?
2026 - Final Four?
2027 - National Championship Game?
2028 - National Champs?
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Oh man, I don't know about Oso being more athletic than Shawn Marion.
agreed. Marion could sky, had speed. Pretty solid pro. No Rony Eford, of course, but hey.
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Offense: Very adept at moving off the ball and finding spots to receive a pass and explode for a finish. Doesn't miss around the basket. Runs the floor like a deer. A great target for lobs. Has one of the league's most awkward shooting forms' flings the ball at the rim from well in front of his chest, but sees decent (although not incredible) results as a spot-up shooter. Somewhat limited offensively--needs a great point guard to create shots for him. Lacks the ball-handling skills needed to create his own shot or pull-up off the dribble. Doesn't always seem to know his limitations. Relies very heavily on his athleticism to make plays. Decision making can be poor at times.
Defense: Extremely active and very effective thanks to his superb physical tools. Has excellent lateral quickness and recovery speed, but is also very strong for a player his size. Capable of defending multiple positions on the floor, either on the perimeter or battling inside. Very good at getting in the passing lanes and igniting fast breaks. Also an excellent shot-blocker thanks to his superb length, timing and explosiveness. A very good rebounder as well on both ends of the floor. Has a tendency to get lost at times, misplacing his man, rotating to the wrong spots, overextending himself, and gambling excessively. Will get beat at times, or even a take a play off.
Who was this written about? :o
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Not Oso. Criticizes his ball handling, praises his rebounding and shot blocking.
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So we had TJ McConnell and Shawn Marion on our team last year and couldn't make it out of the S16 :(
And Kentucky probably had 5 pros, including at least one lottery pick, and now Coach Cal is a Razorback.
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If we keep going one step further in the tournament every year, I'm guessing we'll all be very happy fans in 4 years.
2021 - No Tournament
2022 - First Round
2023 - Second Round
2024 - Sweet 16
2025 - Elite 8?
2026 - Final Four?
2027 - National Championship Game?
2028 - National Champs?
I’d be a very happy fan in 2025……..why wait?