Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 seed Princeton in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of # 4 Seed Tennessee versus #13 Seed Vermont in the West San Francisco Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 07, 2024, 12:48:07 AM
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 seed Princeton in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of # 4 Seed Tennessee versus #13 Seed Vermont in the West San Francisco Region
Ha!
The Athletic did a college hoops mailbag and I asked about their thoughts on MU's ceiling. Got a response, seems the hoops world (sans field of 68) has a lot of respect for Kam and Shaka, and this veteran roster.
What's the ceiling for Marquette next year?
"An All-America season for Kam Jones and a top-3 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Shaka Smart has shown that a commitment to development and roster continuity works. Jones proved when Tyler Kolek was out late in the year that he could be the focal point of the offense. Chase Ross has star potential. The loss of Oso Ighodaro is tough to replace on both ends, but Ben Gold made improvements in that Ighodaro role in some of Marquette's two-man games and his shooting is a real plus. David Joplin will be plenty motivated after a disastrous final game of his season. The roster is still solid. Still old. Good depth. Feels like the floor is high because we've seen these guys win together already. — Moore"
Thanks for sharing that zcg. Great stuff.
I will say that it's probably too early to say that Shaka has proven "that a commitment to development and roster continuity works." Very small sample size so far, and the NIL/Freedom of Movement Era in major college sports is in its infancy.
We'll get a better idea once Shaka is operating with only his own recruits and college sports are a few more years into this experiment.
But as others have pointed out, this will be the final Covid year for athletes, and once that goes, the Shaka system could be even more attractive.
It's all gonna be real interesting to watch unfold. We Are Marquette!
I mean I'm very bullish on Shaka in all facets, and have come to love his style/system and the way he's doing things at Marquette.
I also love Kam Jones and his abilities, I've been on board with him becoming an all American type of guard since day 1.
However, Marquette is losing an All American pg, the best in the country and the catalyst for everything the squad has done these past few seasons, AND an all BE 5 that is perfect for Shaka's system and the 1A catalyst for everything that's been special these past few years.
So, IF that excerpt and the prognostications are accurate, and IF Shaka finds a way to lead Marquette to another top 3/4 seed in this upcoming NCAAt, THEN it seems like there is really nothing to fear going forward.
That would mean to me that, if he sticks around and continues to bring in guys that buy in and have the talent- always big IFs- then Marquette will win a National Championship under Coach Smart at some point.
It would seem impossible to get protected seeds year in and year out and not win one, although I'm certain there are some cases in the past 25 years.
I do think with continued/retained success in this new era it will be easier to break thru because of the turnover that others have, but there's really no concrete data to that opinion.
I'm usually very glass half full, but this upcoming year, when Shaka loses Tyler and Oso, has always been the "take a step back" year.
If that doesn't happen, and Marquette gets another protected seed, it really changes how I see the future going.
It would make Marquette a legit National Title contender that's here to stay in the next decade.
Mark Few has been getting protected seed for 2 decades and hasn't won a natty. There is a still a huge range between "exceeds all expectations" and "wins a National Championship".
I'm not saying that Shaka can't, but making the assessment that if he can get a protected next year then he will win a natty is a huge leap imo.
I mean, they can "take a step back" and still be a protected seed. I'm not sure I'd consider that a bad outcome.
Great post. The last paragraph is key. This year and next are where there will be proof of concept. Did Shaka get lucky with Kolek and retaining Wojo players? Could there have been completely different players the first three years with the same success? That is the lingering question and I hope his coaching and development will be just as much as a reason for the team's success as any specific players. At least I hope so.
Development is more important than retention. I thought MU would only be active in the portal if there were departures. That proved accurate.
However, now the real work begins. Getting Ben confident. Getting the unproven length ready for the rigors of the Big East. Tre and Zaide realizing their potential. These are not small tasks.
Good luck and get to work.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 07, 2024, 11:02:13 AM
Marquette will win a National Championship under Coach Smart at some point.
I edited this for you, Brother Doctor V.
We will and that's all there is to it!
Faith!
Quote from: MU82 on May 07, 2024, 09:42:25 AM
But as others have pointed out, this will be the final Covid year for athletes, and once that goes, the Shaka system could be even more attractive.
Curious to know the numbers next season for those in their COVID year. That is a lot of experienced basketball talent that is of known quality and has NIL free agent value. It is also talent that has been blocking underclassman who may have felt more inclined to move around.
I am of the thinking that a 4, 5 or 6 seed is about right for expectations. Without any incoming experienced players on the docket, I feel like we have just enough flaws to not achieve what we did the last 2 years. Another point guard, size and consistent 3-point shooter are areas we could have improved on with a key addition but didn't. Instead, we are going headfirst with all of our eggs in one basket. That everyone makes very impactful improvements.
I am ok with Shaka sticking to his gameplan but slightly adjusted such as to add maybe 1 key player from the portal in any given year. It will be interesting to see how it works out at the end of the year. If Xavier and St. Johns or some other Big East teams jump over us in the standings, it will be a disappointment. Especially considering what we have going into the year.
My bracketology for 2032 is a 4 seed vs Colorado state
Quote from: Johnny B on May 07, 2024, 02:12:03 PM
My bracketology for 2032 is a 4 seed vs Colorado state
That CSU teams projects to be under-seeded. Upset Alert!!
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 07, 2024, 12:48:07 AM
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 seed Princeton in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of # 4 Seed Tennessee versus #13 Seed Vermont in the West San Francisco Region
Lunardi hates Marquette.
I didn't mention that my instinct for this upcoming season is in the 6/7 seed range along with a "surprise" run to the S16 or maybe E8.
The March success/overachievement is an inverse of past results, but I can see this years team really relishing an 'underdog' type of mentality and using it for a nice March run.
It's far too early for these types of predictions since rosters aren't set, but it seems like we know what we've got.
If I had to predict at this point I'd go with the above and be pretty happy with it.
I'd say that doing worse than that is more likely than doing better than it, however, but hopefully Shaka and co have other ideas. It would likely take surprise improvements, of the 'better than expected' variety, from multiple guys or Jop/Stevie becoming all BE, or one of the frosh being awesome from the jump offensively and good enough to get the minutes defensively.
Seniors Kam, Stevie, and Jolp and Juniors Chase and Ben getting lots of minutes bodes well for this team. Those guys, flaws and all, have a lot of heart and will be a tough out in the tourney.
Yes.
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Missouri/Nebraska in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed North Carolina versus #14 Seed Charleston in the East Newark Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on June 03, 2024, 12:57:10 AM
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Missouri/Nebraska in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed North Carolina versus #14 Seed Charleston in the East Newark Region
"Is that the guy from Philly who lives in the cave"? - Bill Walton
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Seattle. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed Arizona versus #14 Seed Samford in the East Newark Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on June 21, 2024, 01:06:27 AM
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Seattle. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed Arizona versus #14 Seed Samford in the East Newark Region
Lunardi hates Marquette.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on June 21, 2024, 01:06:27 AM
3 Days Ago Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Seattle. With the winner playing the winner of # 3 Seed Arizona versus #14 Seed Samford in the East Newark Region
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.
Well, MU's roster is finalized.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 21, 2024, 09:58:57 AM
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.
You can at least start making travel plans for the second weekend in advance.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 21, 2024, 09:58:57 AM
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.
Yeah, I'm about as connected to Bracketology as one can be and still discuss this with other bracket nerds deep into summer, but this thread is completely useless until late December or early January.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 21, 2024, 09:58:57 AM
so, the tourney starts next week, right? No reason to play the games as the guy who lives in a cave has already figured out the season before rosters are even finalized.
200% 👍. I guess Lunardi gives espn.com some clicks, otherwise his take is meaningless until late February.
Who cares?
Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right? So they're pointless early, I guess.
Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.
Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.
Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.
It's entertainment. People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 21, 2024, 10:50:55 AM
Who cares?
Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right? So they're pointless early, I guess.
Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.
Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.
Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.
It's entertainment. People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.
As long as it's not Jerry Palm
Quote from: wadesworld on June 21, 2024, 10:50:55 AM
Who cares?
Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right? So they're pointless early, I guess.
Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.
Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.
Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.
It's entertainment. People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.
Agree
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 21, 2024, 10:19:39 AM
Yeah, I'm about as connected to Bracketology as one can be and still discuss this with other bracket nerds deep into summer, but this thread is completely useless until late December or early January.
Hot take. Prophetic in fact.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 21, 2024, 10:50:55 AM
Who cares?
Get rid of recruiting rankings until kids are into their senior high school seasons, because things change over the years right? So they're pointless early, I guess.
Get rid of polls because they're pointless early in the year and don't really matter for anything at the end of the day.
Get rid of KenPom and predictive rankings until half way through conference season.
Heck, just invite 4 one seeds to the Tournament and let them duke it out for a title.
It's entertainment. People complain about college football giving the shaft to every other college sports, and then complain that college basketball is throwing out ultimately useless stuff to entertain college basketball fans during the summer, after the portal is closed and the date to withdraw from the NBA Draft.
I am good with all your suggestions if it will stop discussion of NCAA seeding prior to the February prior to the tourney. and mock drafts, kill them too...
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN on the front NCAA page has Marquette as a #7 Seed playing #10 seed Kansas State in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 2 Seed North Carolina versus #15 Seed Weber State in the West San Francisco Region
True Lunardi is ESPN which is worse than FOX. And agree he is in his basement. But Lunardi has resources and historically is fairly accurate over the years and paints about as solid a picture as you can at this time of year.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 27, 2024, 03:43:06 PM
Lunardi has resources and historically is fairly accurate over the years and paints about as solid a picture as you can at this time of year.
Lunardi is one of the more wrong bracketgoligsts out there - he finished 118/179 last year and has not broke top 100 in last 5 years. http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Viper you texted me this
That's nice fur MU, but I'm quickly losing interest in college sports. I don't agree with paying players.
Full scholarship, room/board, books, tutors, first class travel, swag...AND get paid? Boo.
D-1 college basketball is now officially a professional minor league along with the GLeague, Australia and European leagues to the NBA. If players are getting paid, why should they get free tuition too?
Quote from: MUbiz on August 27, 2024, 03:56:10 PM
Lunardi is one of the more wrong bracketgoligsts out there - he finished 118/179 last year and has not broke top 100 in last 5 years. http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
I do find it comforting Lunardi picks Marquette as a #7 Seed after losing Tyler and Oso. And Lunardi has been and is front page news for about 3 decades. But Thank You Wow did not know Lunardi was that off the last 5 Years.
Marquette will better than a 7 seed this year. Book it.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 27, 2024, 04:09:17 PM
I do find it comforting Lunardi picks Marquette as a #7 Seed after losing Tyler and Oso. And Lunardi has been and is front page news for about 3 decades. But Thank You Wow did not know Lunardi was that off the last 5 Years.
I am speculating, but since Lunardi's book came out in 2020ish and he did really well on it, he has kinda mailed it in since then.
I follow our own Alan Bykowski, bauertology, T3 Bracketoglogy on X (twitter) to name a few. Those guys are really spot on and give sound explanations as to why.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 27, 2024, 03:43:06 PM
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN on the front NCAA page has Marquette as a #7 Seed playing #10 seed Kansas State in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 2 Seed North Carolina versus #15 Seed Weber State in the West San Francisco Region
True Lunardi is ESPN which is worse than FOX. And agree he is in his basement. But Lunardi has resources and historically is fairly accurate over the years and paints about as solid a picture as you can at this time of year.
There's a reason the people that are actually good at bracketology don't have any August brackets posted. "At this time of year" nobody knows anything. Anything posted before January 1st is not using enough actual data to be meaningful.
I would imagine there's something in Lunardi's contract that says he has to publish "x" so often, which is why he'll update his meaningless July bracket with his meaningless August bracket.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 27, 2024, 03:43:06 PM
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN on the front NCAA page has Marquette as a #7 Seed playing #10 seed Kansas State in Raleigh. With the winner playing the winner of # 2 Seed North Carolina versus #15 Seed Weber State in the West San Francisco Region
True Lunardi is ESPN which is worse than FOX. And agree he is in his basement. But Lunardi has resources and historically is fairly accurate over the years and paints about as solid a picture as you can at this time of year.
Historically, he's not very accurate, and it's not possible to paint a solid picture this time of year. It's just clickbait.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 27, 2024, 04:05:23 PM
Viper you texted me this
That's nice fur MU, but I'm quickly losing interest in college sports. I don't agree with paying players.
Full scholarship, room/board, books, tutors, first class travel, swag...AND get paid? Boo.
D-1 college basketball is now officially a professional minor league along with the GLeague, Australia and European leagues to the NBA. If players are getting paid, why should they get free tuition too?
Begs the question.....how much are the players getting paid?
No one knows exactly.
If Al, for example, is getting $40K/year from MUBB, but then he is asked to pay his own tuition??? He needs to come up with the difference?
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 27, 2024, 04:37:24 PM
Begs the question.....how much are the players getting paid?
No one knows exactly.
If Al, for example, is getting $40K/year from MUBB, but then he is asked to pay his own tuition??? He needs to come up with the difference?
I believe this was debated last year somewhere on Scoop. Regardless, it's about decisions decisions. What's a 4-yr MU education cost these days, $250,000? More? Less? Take the money or take the ride.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2024, 04:25:02 PM
Historically, he's not very accurate, and it's not possible to paint a solid picture this time of year. It's just clickbait.
Brew, any idea how much the committee is going to use WAB this season or just pure speculation at this point?
Quote from: Viper on August 27, 2024, 10:34:26 PM
I believe this was debated last year somewhere on Scoop. Regardless, it's about decisions decisions. What's a 4-yr MU education cost these days, $250,000? More? Less? Take the money or take the ride.
But the market says the deserve both. You aren't a commie are you?
Bracketology = Power Rankings = What Does Your Favorite TV Star From The '80s Look Like Now. Click bait; nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 27, 2024, 11:02:48 PM
But the market says the deserve both. You aren't a commie are you?
What market? The NCAA
requires one and now allows the other because the law says they cannot prevent it.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 28, 2024, 08:05:05 AM
What market? The NCAA requires one and now allows the other because the law says they cannot prevent it.
You seriously are asking "what market?" The market is that the college offers a full cost-of-attendance scholarship and their NIL earnings are unrestricted - some will obviously make more than others depending on where they go to school, how good they are, etc.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 27, 2024, 04:05:23 PM
Viper you texted me this
That's nice fur MU, but I'm quickly losing interest in college sports. I don't agree with paying players.
Full scholarship, room/board, books, tutors, first class travel, swag...AND get paid? Boo.
D-1 college basketball is now officially a professional minor league along with the GLeague, Australia and European leagues to the NBA. If players are getting paid, why should they get free tuition too?
Why does anyone care?
Quote from: MUDPT on August 27, 2024, 10:38:14 PM
Brew, any idea how much the committee is going to use WAB this season or just pure speculation at this point?
I'm guessing they'll just use it as a ranking equally with the other predictive metrics. Where I think it might have made a difference last year was for Indiana State. Their biggest weakness last year was both resume metrics had them at 40, but in WAB they were at 28. I felt they deserved inclusion at a 40.0 resume average, but if you add in WAB, their resume average of 36.0 would've been really hard to keep out.
I doubt it will influence seeding much, but it could help mid-majors that schedule tough. The two highest WAB teams to be left out were ISU and Princeton. That said, history has made me cautious in overestimating the Selection Committee's affinity for including mid-majors.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 28, 2024, 08:17:47 AM
You seriously are asking "what market?" The market is that the college offers a full cost-of-attendance scholarship and their NIL earnings are unrestricted - some will obviously make more than others depending on where they go to school, how good they are, etc.
The college is required to offer the scholarship. They just can't have an athlete play without the scholarship. That is not market driven if it is required.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 28, 2024, 12:12:00 PM
The college is required to offer the scholarship. They just can't have an athlete play without the scholarship. That is not market driven if it is required.
But the NIL certainly is market driven.
Not only that, but the offering of a scholarship itself is a market driven decision.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 28, 2024, 01:37:36 PM
But the NIL certainly is market driven.
Not only that, but the offering of a scholarship itself is a market driven decision.
How is that? Again the scholarship is not offered it is required. A UNC scholarship is worth less than an MU scholarship in dollars, but a high-profile athlete would think going to UNC may have more value because we all know it has nothing to do about the scholarship.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 28, 2024, 02:30:13 PM
How is that? Again the scholarship is not offered it is required. A UNC scholarship is worth less than an MU scholarship in dollars, but a high-profile athlete would think going to UNC may have more value because we all know it has nothing to do about the scholarship.
So in other words, its a market-driven decision. The perceived value of a UNC scholarship may be higher than a Marquette one.
Plus NIL is indeed market driven.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 28, 2024, 02:33:56 PM
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
"Everything was better in years gone by."
Quote from: MU82 on August 28, 2024, 02:39:07 PM
"Everything was better in years gone by."
It was. A Marquette education was affordable even if you paid sticker price and earned a BS/BA degree with more purchasing power.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 29, 2024, 05:12:13 AM
It was. A Marquette education was affordable even if you paid sticker price and earned a BS/BA degree with more purchasing power.
The earnings gap between those with and without a bachelors degree has never been higher.
Regardless not on-topic.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 29, 2024, 05:12:13 AM
It was. A Marquette education was affordable even if you paid sticker price and earned a BS/BA degree with more purchasing power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 29, 2024, 05:12:13 AM
It was. A Marquette education was affordable even if you paid sticker price and earned a BS/BA degree with more purchasing power.
I took a grad class at MU based off of this premise. It was very difficult to find large areas of social impact that were actually better years ago. Obviously subjectivity and variables come into play. In this case, I couldn't easily find MU'S tuition history, but I know what I paid for my undergrad degree (not MU) and the increase over the last 20 years is slightly under inflation.
Back to Joey Brackets...First team out: PITT
Another great candidate for: "Bad coaching hires or did the ACC ruin them"
Quote from: The Lens on August 29, 2024, 09:04:17 AM
Back to Joey Brackets...First team out: PITT
Another great candidate for: "Bad coaching hires or did the ACC ruin them"
The former.
I am definitely in the camp that believes your conference affiliation is a minor contributor to your overall success. Only thing that matters about your conference is the size of your slice of the media pie.
I'm sure some of the sad Pitt fans would have soured on Jamie Dixon even if they weren't in the ACC.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2024, 04:25:02 PM
Historically, he's not very accurate, and it's not possible to paint a solid picture this time of year. It's just clickbait.
Not a dig on you, Brew but just an observation. I think this is both correct but also missing the point. From an analytics point of view it's all pointless and just clickbait. However, this is sports... we argue about whether Jordan or Lebron is the GOAT, we place bets on the length of the Superbowl national anthem, etc. It's all pointless in the end and we do it just to entertain ourselves.
I say have at the August predictions if you (rhetorical) find it fun! If it's not your (rhetorical) thing, just go on to whatever else floats your boat.
Quote from: MU82 on August 28, 2024, 02:39:07 PM
"Everything was better in years gone by."
Because mean, selfish ignorant Baby Boomers have ruined everything for those who followed. "The World According to Hards".
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2024, 05:57:06 PM
Because mean, selfish ignorant Baby Boomers have ruined everything for those who followed. "The World According to Hards".
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
One of my favorite song lyrics of all time........
Quote from: MuMark on August 29, 2024, 06:54:30 PM
Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door
One of my favorite song lyrics of all time........
My generation not only blames the one before, but also the one after.
More fun that way
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2024, 04:25:02 PM
Historically, he's not very accurate, and it's not possible to paint a solid picture this time of year. It's just clickbait.
but scoopers love talking about possible sweet 16 locations in August. I just hope we make it past Vermont this year....
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2024, 05:57:06 PM
Because mean, selfish ignorant Baby Boomers have ruined everything for those who followed. "The World According to Hards".
Seek help.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 29, 2024, 10:38:23 PM
but scoopers love talking about possible sweet 16 locations in August. I just hope we make it past Vermont this year....
The 2031 final four in Atlanta was announced yesterday. I'm already looking at flights
Quote from: swoopem on August 30, 2024, 07:37:52 AM
The 2031 final four in Atlanta was announced yesterday. I'm already looking at flights
Lunardi only has us as a 5 seed in 2031, so that means we're ripe to be upset.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 29, 2024, 10:38:23 PM
but scoopers love talking about possible sweet 16 locations in August. I just hope we make it past Vermont this year....
Have to get past St. Thomas 1st.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 29, 2024, 10:38:23 PM
but scoopers love talking about possible sweet 16 locations in August. I just hope we make it past Vermont this year....
We all know that the committee is going to screw us with our first round location.
And our bracket.
Quote from: avid1010 on August 29, 2024, 06:44:36 AM
I took a grad class at MU based off of this premise. It was very difficult to find large areas of social impact that were actually better years ago. Obviously subjectivity and variables come into play. In this case, I couldn't easily find MU'S tuition history, but I know what I paid for my undergrad degree (not MU) and the increase over the last 20 years is slightly under inflation.
According to this link 1 dollar in 1969 is equal to $8.57 in 2024. My 4 years at MU was $12000 ( tuition, labs ,books and Room and Board). Adjusting for inflation a MU education should cost 103K today, not 250K.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1969?amount=1
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 30, 2024, 07:43:23 PM
According to this link 1 dollar in 1969 is equal to $8.57 in 2024. My 4 years at MU was $12000 ( tuition, labs ,books and Room and Board). Adjusting for inflation a MU education should cost 103K today, not 250K.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1969?amount=1
How many Marquette students do you think actually pay anywhere near $250K over 4 years?
Quote from: MU82 on August 31, 2024, 08:01:50 AM
How many Marquette students do you think actually pay anywhere near $250K over 4 years?
Correct. Plus it's also more costly to run a university these days.
Quote from: MU82 on August 31, 2024, 08:01:50 AM
How many Marquette students do you think actually pay anywhere near $250K over 4 years?
I have no idea, but how many are paying 103K?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 31, 2024, 08:05:17 AM
Correct. Plus it's also more costly to run a university these days.
Why is that?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 31, 2024, 08:14:08 AM
Why is that?
The IT infrastructure, the services students request, the lack of priests working at the school, etc.
And remember price is about what students are willing to pay. Not what they used to pay.
Today Marquette moved from a #7 seed to a #6 Seed in Joe Lunardi's ESPN Bracketology on the NCAAM front page. Lunardi has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Denver. With the winner playing the winner of #3 seed Arizona versus #14 Seed Ohio in the West San Francisco Region
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on September 24, 2024, 01:58:15 PM
Today Marquette moved from a #7 seed to a #6 Seed in Joe Lunardi's ESPN Bracketology on the NCAAM front page. Lunardi has Marquette as a #6 Seed playing #11 seed Boise State in Denver. With the winner playing the winner of #3 seed Arizona versus #14 Seed Ohio in the West San Francisco Region
excellent news this is settled. Booking my flight to Denver. Thanks, Joe!
Joe must be hearing the same things about DO.
I find it comforting Lunardi has Marquette trending up to a #6 seed after losing Oso and Tyler. Brews prediction Marquette will be better than a #7 Seed is already looking solid.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on September 24, 2024, 02:49:06 PM
I find it comforting Lunardi has Marquette trending up to a #6 seed after losing Oso and Tyler. Brews prediction Marquette will be better than a #7 Seed is already looking solid.
He's better than Jerry Palm. How that clown is employed is a mystery
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2024, 02:58:15 PM
He's better than Jerry Palm. How that clown is employed is a mystery
Saw him at the MU games in Indy. He's a bizarre looking dude... like there's something
going on. Then again, I was probably 12 Modelo's deep
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #5 Seed playing #12 seed McNeese St in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #4 Seed Purdue versus #13 Seed High Point in the Midwest Indianapolis Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on October 22, 2024, 03:00:04 PM
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #5 Seed playing #12 seed McNeese St in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #4 Seed Purdue versus #13 Seed High Point in the Midwest Indianapolis Region.
5 v 12? If neither (02) Wade nor (19) Howard could do it then just chalk it up as an L now.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 22, 2024, 03:06:21 PM
5 v 12? If neither (02) Wade nor (19) Howard could do it then just chalk it up as an L now.
Agree lol Wade versus Tulsa and Howard versus Murray State haha but feel a W for Kam over McNeese State
So Marquette moved from a 7 seed to a 5 seed in two months without any games being played?
I'll be damned, the secret scrimmages really do count for something.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on October 23, 2024, 03:48:09 PM
So Marquette moved from a 7 seed to a 5 seed in two months without any games being played?
I'll be damned, the secret scrimmages really do count for something.
I like us as an 11 seed. That way will make the final 4.
On Tuesday Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #4 Seed playing #13 seed Charleston in Providence. With the winner playing the winner of #5 Seed Texas Tech versus #12 Seed Princeton in the East Newark Region.
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #3 Seed playing #14 seed Kent Stare in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Arizona versus #11 Seed Wake Forest/Georgia Winner in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 27, 2024, 12:32:02 AMToday Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #3 Seed playing #14 seed Kent Stare in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Arizona versus #11 Seed Wake Forest/Georgia Winner in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Just get that protected seed and come to Cleveland, baby. I've already got my tickets.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 27, 2024, 12:32:02 AMToday Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #3 Seed playing #14 seed Kent Stare in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Arizona versus #11 Seed Wake Forest/Georgia Winner in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Always be afraid of the Kent Stare. Stealth superman eye lasers.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 27, 2024, 08:24:53 AMJust get that protected seed and come to Cleveland, baby. I've already got my tickets.
If so....My brother and SIL (Marquette alums) don't know it yet, but my wife and I will be staying at their house in Vermilion OH. And they will be our guests at the game. :D
Quote from: tower912 on November 27, 2024, 08:28:21 AMAlways be afraid of the Kent Stare. Stealth superman eye lasers.
Not afraid of Kent State, particularly (and I know you're not either), but still kind of sucks that a #3 seed would play in Ohio against an Ohio school.
Quote from: MU82 on November 27, 2024, 11:43:49 AMNot afraid of Kent State, particularly (and I know you're not either), but still kind of sucks that a #3 seed would play in Ohio against an Ohio school.
Shaka announced MU will throw some games to avoid this scenario.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 27, 2024, 12:32:02 AMToday Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #3 Seed playing #14 seed Kent Stare in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Arizona versus #11 Seed Wake Forest/Georgia Winner in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Maybe everyone missed it, but after we beat Purdue, Lunardi had Marquette projected to win the NCAA championship. Now that that win's been overshadowed by all the buzz of this week's games, however, he has MU losing in the second round. It's almost as if... Lunardi's bracketology is based off popular game outcomes of the week rather than consistent estimations of team strength...
I love bracketology predictions. But surely no one takes Lunardi's seriously, right?
Other than Mike, nobody takes any bracketologist seriously in Novemeber, that's why all of the good bracketologists don't have brackets in November, that's why NET isn't released in November, because there isn't enough data to have any semblance of accuracy.
Nm
Quote from: K1 Lover on November 27, 2024, 03:04:58 PMMaybe everyone missed it, but after we beat Purdue, Lunardi had Marquette projected to win the NCAA championship. Now that that win's been overshadowed by all the buzz of this week's games, however, he has MU losing in the second round. It's almost as if... Lunardi's bracketology is based off popular game outcomes of the week rather than consistent estimations of team strength...
I love bracketology predictions. But surely no one takes Lunardi's seriously, right?
Of course not. But he's always good for a laugh.
Are people talking about it?
Success.
Today, Shaka is on the cover and Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #1 Seed playing #16 seed Merrimack/Youngstown State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #8 Seed Oklahoma Seed versus #9 Seed Ohio State in the San Francisco West Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 10, 2024, 02:05:54 PMToday, Shaka is on the cover and Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #1 Seed playing #16 seed Merrimack/Youngstown State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #8 Seed Oklahoma Seed versus #9 Seed Ohio State in the San Francisco West Region.
Merrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 10, 2024, 02:05:54 PMToday, Shaka is on the cover and Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #1 Seed playing #16 seed Merrimack/Youngstown State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #8 Seed Oklahoma Seed versus #9 Seed Ohio State in the San Francisco West Region.
As always, I know that Lunardi's predictions are "for entertainment purposes only", but if OSU is the #9 seed in Cleveland, that's some bullsh**t right there.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 10, 2024, 02:05:54 PMToday, Shaka is on the cover and Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette moving up to a #1 Seed playing #16 seed Merrimack/Youngstown State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #8 Seed Oklahoma Seed versus #9 Seed Ohio State in the San Francisco West Region.
Moser v. Shaka?
NoLongerWarriors would be in the front row with his brightest crimson shirt on.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 02:18:09 PMMerrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
It's alright, we have a monitor in the lane.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 10, 2024, 02:19:40 PMAs always, I know that Lunardi's predictions are "for entertainment purposes only", but if OSU is the #9 seed in Cleveland, that's some bullsh**t right there.
I would hope that the NCAA would follow its guideline for avoiding home court disadvantage for protected seeds to prevent something like that.
Quote from: wisblue on December 10, 2024, 02:43:08 PMI would hope that the NCAA would follow its guideline for avoiding home court disadvantage for protected seeds to prevent something like that.
Don't get me started. We have been very unlucky in physical locations even with being the higher seed.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 02:18:09 PMMerrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
At least it is not Radford
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 10, 2024, 02:19:40 PMAs always, I know that Lunardi's predictions are "for entertainment purposes only", but if OSU is the #9 seed in Cleveland, that's some bullsh**t right there.
Not to mention giving us a road game against Youngstown State in the first round. That's some BS right there.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 02:18:09 PMMerrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
I hope we miss Merrimack, mack, mack. All dressed in black, black, black.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 02:18:09 PMMerrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
For my wife's sake, I hope it's not Merrimack, her other alma mater. We already crushed Stonehill, but she got over that quickly. She thought I was joking when I told her Stonehill was on Marquette's schedule.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 10, 2024, 09:33:52 PMI hope we miss Merrimack, mack, mack. All dressed in black, black, black.
There is a sweet little school and it's name is Merrimack
Make no mistake it's the one we're gonna attack
Lots of other teams try to take them to the rack
I'm thinking they're gonna have to get up early
For all of you Great Big Sea and Carbon leaf fans out there. Both of you.
Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2024, 05:31:16 AMThere us a sweet little.school and it's name is Merrimack
Make no mistake it's the one we're gonna attack
Lots of other teams try to take them to the rack
I'm thinking they're gonna have to get up early
For all of you Great Big Sea and Carbon leaf fans out there. Both of you.
GBS - I haven't heard them mentioned in awhile but I forgot about their Ms. Mary Mack song.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 10, 2024, 10:51:17 PMFor my wife's sake, I hope it's not Merrimack, her other alma mater. We already crushed Stonehill, but she got over that quickly. She thought I was joking when I told her Stonehill was on Marquette's schedule.
A ton of kids from my area head there for school. It's a hockey school more than anything else.
Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2024, 05:31:16 AMThere us a sweet little school and it's name is Merrimack
Make no mistake it's the one we're gonna attack
Lots of other teams try to take them to the rack
I'm thinking they're gonna have to get up early
For all of you Great Big Sea and Carbon leaf fans out there. Both of you.
Mary Mac's mother's making Mary Mac marry me
My mother's making me marry Mary Mac
Well I'm going to marry Mary
For when Mary's taking care of me
We'll all be feeling merry when I marry Mary Mac
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 11, 2024, 05:43:24 AMA ton of kids from my area head there for school. It's a hockey school more than anything else.
I'll take this opening to lobby for MU hockey. I'd love it.
Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2024, 05:31:16 AMThere is a sweet little school and it's name is Merrimack
Make no mistake it's the one we're gonna attack
Lots of other teams try to take them to the rack
I'm thinking they're gonna have to get up early
For all of you Great Big Sea and Carbon leaf fans out there. Both of you.
You got me. Still have a t-shirt and cds
GBS at the Roxy and House of Blues
You guys have all the fun you want, but if we play Merrimack? It took me a quite a while to get my wife to be a full-fledged Marquette fan-and she is-but can't we win by just a little bit please? It's not like I can find a lot of Marquette fans out here in the middle-of-nowhere, Virginia.
Edit: I told my wife about Joe's bracket, but I also told her that he is not to be taken seriously. Anyway...good news. She got a big laugh out of the potential matchup. We're good.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 02:18:09 PMMerrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
Top two team in the MAAC.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 02:18:09 PMMerrimack worries me. They always find a way to get it done.
Agree with all the above. Fear the Mack they always find a way to get it done. And the close locations of OSU and YSU are Bull even WKU was too close last year
All this chatter but nobody's talking about the coveted 1 Seed?!?
Expected all along. Cool and all, but a lot of ball to be played.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on December 11, 2024, 04:58:02 PMAll this chatter but nobody's talking about the coveted 1 Seed?!?
Good point. After all, if Lunardi predicts that we will be a #1 seed, it simply HAS to be true, even though there is still a little bit of the bball season left.
My all-time favorite clip of Lunardi was when Bill Walton asked him why he was spending so much time talking about the little "truck stop" conferences. ;D
How long until Marquette will be able to play in Milwaukee for NCAA Tournament games?
Absolutely stupid that if given a top seed, we can't play at Fiserv for opening rounds.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:46:08 PMHow long until Marquette will be able to play in Milwaukee for NCAA Tournament games?
Absolutely stupid that if given a top seed, we can't play at Fiserv for opening rounds.
I'm pissed
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 11, 2024, 06:02:42 PMI'm pissed
Your sarcasm aside, it actually is really stupid.
How many times have we had to play a team in their home state while it is an impossibility for us even if we earn a top seed?
Write a letter to the NCAA and see if they will change.
Meh, Florida is closer for me.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:46:08 PMHow long until Marquette will be able to play in Milwaukee for NCAA Tournament games?
Absolutely stupid that if given a top seed, we can't play at Fiserv for opening rounds.
Never, unless the NCAA changes the rules.
You shouldn't be upset with the NCAA, but upset with Wisconsin for not hosting at the Kohl. Even if they didn't host the first round, they have hosted second weekend games before but choose not to do so. Would be nice now that we're getting protected seeds.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 11, 2024, 06:27:48 PMNever, unless the NCAA changes the rules.
You shouldn't be upset with the NCAA, but upset with Wisconsin for not hosting at the Kohl. Even if they didn't host the first round, they have hosted second weekend games before but choose not to do so. Would be nice now that we're getting protected seeds.
Why do they elect not to?
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 11, 2024, 06:32:28 PMWhy do they elect not to?
Not sure. They last hosted a regional in 2002 to celebrate the opening of the Kohl, but did not continue to do so. As a city, I'm not sure Madison has enough hotels to support hosting a first weekend (8 fanbases take up space) but 4 that quickly winnows to 2 they can and have handled.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 06:07:08 PMHow many times have we had to play a team in their home state while it is an impossibility for us even if we earn a top seed?
Several times. But we've never had to play a team on its home court.
As others have said, blame your school.
This made me curious what sites we will be hoping for in March. First weekend? Cleveland or Lexington are the closest at about 7 hour drive each, woof.
But second weekend? Indianapolis would be nice.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 11, 2024, 09:27:31 PMThis made me curious what sites we will be hoping for in March. First weekend? Cleveland or Lexington are the closest at about 7 hour drive each, woof.
But second weekend? Indianapolis would be nice.
I'd say Seattle for the first weekend but that would be selfish because it would probably mean we weren't a protected seed.
For the second weekend, Indy would be draw the largest MU fan contingent so that would be sweet. But if it's not Indy for some reason, San Francisco. Atlanta wouldn't bum me out, either.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 11, 2024, 09:27:31 PMThis made me curious what sites we will be hoping for in March. First weekend? Cleveland or Lexington are the closest at about 7 hour drive each, woof.
But second weekend? Indianapolis would be nice.
Definitely hoping for Cleveland. Even though an 8/9 Big 10 team could be a problem, getting to Cleveland means we got our first pick, which is what typically happens for 1-seeds.
Then hoping for Indy. Nice and close.
Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 09:35:56 PMI'd say Seattle for the first weekend but that would be selfish because it would probably mean we weren't a protected seed.
For the second weekend, Indy would be draw the largest MU fan contingent so that would be sweet. But if it's not Indy for some reason, San Francisco. Atlanta wouldn't bum me out, either.
I'm already booking hotel rooms for April 4th-8th in San Antonio.
Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 09:06:01 PMSeveral times. But we've never had to play a team on its home court.
As others have said, blame your school.
Blame your school?
It has nothing to do with Marquette. It is the rules that prevent them from playing on their home floor.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 11, 2024, 09:27:31 PMThis made me curious what sites we will be hoping for in March. First weekend? Cleveland or Lexington are the closest at about 7 hour drive each, woof.
But second weekend? Indianapolis would be nice.
Full list for easy reference:
First/Second Lexington, KY Rupp Arena
First/Second Providence, RI Amica Mutual Pavilion
First/Second Seattle, WA Climate Pledge Arena
First/Second Wichita, KS Intrust Bank Arena
First/Second Cleveland, OH Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse
First/Second Denver, CO Ball Arena
First/Second Milwaukee, WI Fiserv Forum
First/Second Raleigh, NC PNC Arena
East Regional Newark, NJ Prudential Center
West Regional San Fran, CA Chase Center
South Regional Atlanta, GA State Farm Arena
MW Regional Indi, IN Lucas Oil Stadium
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 11, 2024, 09:48:08 PMDefinitely hoping for Cleveland. Even though an 8/9 Big 10 team could be a problem, getting to Cleveland means we got our first pick, which is what typically happens for 1-seeds.
Then hoping for Indy. Nice and close.
I'm for sure going to either Cleveland or Lexington. Negligible difference in distance. My only thought regarding Cleveland is won't they try and schedule us on the opposite day of when we are hosting? Cleveland plays the same day as Milwaukee so wondering if they put us in Lexington (assuming we finish with a protected seed of course). Could be wrong.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 10:54:50 PMBlame your school?
It has nothing to do with Marquette. It is the rules that prevent them from playing on their home floor.
No - blame YOUR school. The one in Madison.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 11, 2024, 09:27:31 PMThis made me curious what sites we will be hoping for in March. First weekend? Cleveland or Lexington are the closest at about 7 hour drive each, woof.
But second weekend? Indianapolis would be nice.
Cleveland is about 40 miles closer than Lexington (as the crow flies) and about 30 miles closer if driving. I'm certainly hoping for Cleveland; I bought tickets a couple months ago. I'm obviously hoping they follow the "nearest site" rule for protected seeds very literally (and that MU will be a protected seed).
Per NCAA only North Carolina teams have to play games in-state during the tournament.
Marquette's main competition for Cleveland will be SEC team #5, and maybe Pitt. The B1G teams near Cleveland (Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana) don't look like they are in Marquette's seeding range.
Let's look at the 5 SEC teams in the top 10 of NET.
Auburn
Tennessee
Kentucky
Florida
Alabama
Two of these teams will be in Lexington, but not the host Wildcats. Kentucky is likely in Cleveland, their 2nd closest site.
Florida's closest site is Raleigh, 2nd closest is Lexington. Auburn, Tennessee, and Alabama are closest to Lexington, then Raleigh. Cleveland is 3rd in line for all of these schools.
So we're looking at:
Raleigh - Duke & SEC team
Lexington - SEC & SEC
Cleveland - SEC & Marquette/SEC #5/Pitt
The rest of the high seeds have other closer sites. Milwaukee and Wichita will grab Big 12 and B1G teams that have Cleveland as their 2nd or 3rd closest site. Gonzaga and Oregon have Seattle. Teams from the Northeast (Maryland) will head to Providence.
If Marquette doesn't get Cleveland, Lexington will be full. Marquette would then go to Wichita. If Wichita is full, then Marquette is stuck with either Providence or Denver, since Raleigh will be full.
Seattle is almost impossible. Marquette would have to fall way down the S-curve and Seattle would still have to have an opening. If Marquette falls to a 4 seed, it's very likely Gonzaga and Oregon are already placed in Seattle anyway.
Edit: I forgot about Clemson. They could sneak up into the Raleigh, Lexington, Cleveland picture.
Nice, run that again Jan 12, Feb 12, and March 12
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 10:54:50 PMBlame your school?
It has nothing to do with Marquette. It is the rules that prevent them from playing on their home floor.
Lets just play on the bucks court then.
Quote from: Bahama on December 12, 2024, 10:39:20 AMLets just play on the bucks court then.
Inserts article about how we shoot worse with an NBA line on the court...
but I'd sign up for that compromise!
Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 09:06:01 PMSeveral times. But we've never had to play a team on its home court.
As others have said, blame your school.
We played Kentucky in Lexington on their home court in 1968 if IRCC.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 12, 2024, 12:53:18 PMWe played Kentucky in Lexington on their home court in 1968 if IRCC.
Ah, yes. Back when the team had to take a horse and carriage to games
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2024, 12:58:07 PMAh, yes. Back when the team had to take a horse and carriage to games
Still the preferred mode of transportation in the State of Kentucky. But I hear indoor plumbing is getting some traction there.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 12, 2024, 12:16:55 AMI'm for sure going to either Cleveland or Lexington. Negligible difference in distance. My only thought regarding Cleveland is won't they try and schedule us on the opposite day of when we are hosting? Cleveland plays the same day as Milwaukee so wondering if they put us in Lexington (assuming we finish with a protected seed of course). Could be wrong.
A host institution's team shall not be permitted to play at the site where the institution is hosting. However, the team may play on the same days when the institution is hosting.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 12, 2024, 03:59:06 PMA host institution's team shall not be permitted to play at the site where the institution is hosting. However, the team may play on the same days when the institution is hosting.
Right, but usually they try to avoid it. Remember that the top seeds get to request locations, and my guess is that Marquette would rather play on opposite days - so it would be Lexington.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 12, 2024, 12:53:18 PMWe played Kentucky in Lexington on their home court in 1968 if IRCC.
56 years is practically "never," but I guess I shouldn't have said never.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 12, 2024, 04:02:25 PMRight, but usually they try to avoid it. Remember that the top seeds get to request locations, and my guess is that Marquette would rather play on opposite days - so it would be Lexington.
Only the #1 overall seed gets to pick their desired location.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 12, 2024, 05:25:40 PMOnly the #1 overall seed gets to pick their desired location.
I was under the impression that top seeds can at least provide preferences though.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 12, 2024, 12:53:18 PMWe played Kentucky in Lexington on their home court in 1968 if IRCC.
They crushed us in the '68 S16 game. The next year (in Madison) we returned the favor, then lost in OT to Purdue to just miss the FF.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 12, 2024, 05:59:31 PMI was under the impression that top seeds can at least provide preferences though.
Multiple teams submit their top choice for regional and first weekend site prefences. Only the #1 gets their choice and the rest are disregarded.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 12, 2024, 04:02:25 PMRight, but usually they try to avoid it. Remember that the top seeds get to request locations, and my guess is that Marquette would rather play on opposite days - so it would be Lexington.
What's the reasoning behind this?
Quote from: muhoosier260 on December 12, 2024, 07:25:07 PMWhat's the reasoning behind this?
Because members of the athletic department that are working the games at Fiserv as host would like to watch Marquette play is my assumption.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 12, 2024, 05:25:40 PMOnly the #1 overall seed gets to pick their desired location.
Mission understood!
Quote from: MU82 on December 12, 2024, 04:52:38 PM56 years is practically "never," but I guess I shouldn't have said never.
In all fairness, the rules if there were any, were different when I attended Marquette. Easy to overlook. I just remembered we played them on their home court.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 13, 2024, 03:16:02 PMIn all fairness, the rules if there were any, were different when I attended Marquette. Easy to overlook. I just remembered we played them on their home court.
So was there one designated person to empty the peach baskets per side, or did one unlucky bastard have to run back and forth all game?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 13, 2024, 03:16:02 PMIn all fairness, the rules if there were any, were different when I attended Marquette. Easy to overlook. I just remembered we played them on their home court.
And got our butts kicked Big Time. Al got his revenge the next year though. To put it very mildly, Al and Adolph Rupp hated one another.
I feel like I post this ever year, but Torvik and his T-Ranktology is invaluable. You can hover over the seeds to see what is closest with regards to other teams.
https://www.barttorvik.com/tranketology.php
Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #2 Seed playing #15 Seed Merrimack in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #7 Seed Cincinnati versus #10 Seed Texas in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Lunardi hates MU
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 28, 2024, 05:30:07 AMLunardi hates MU
He might hate us but I could live with those matchups. Sweet16 bound pretty certain.
Of course 3 months on the court before we know where we really stand.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on December 28, 2024, 05:41:05 PMHe might hate us but I could live with those matchups. Sweet16 bound pretty certain.
Of course 3 months on the court before we know where we really stand.
I mean getting 7 seed Cinci in Ohio wouldn't be easy.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2024, 09:11:11 PMI mean getting 7 seed Cinci in Ohio wouldn't be easy.
Agree just made the Indy to Cincy drive on the way to the Marquette Xavier game and it did not take long.
Today Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #2 Seed playing #15 Seed Central Connecticut in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #7 Seed Ole Miss versus #10 Seed Cincinnati in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
So who's got the best chance to be the Beast's 4th bid?
Gtown certainly looked the part last night, but that resume is still... woof.
I don't trust X to be able to go on a run. Think their stretch of
@MU, @StJ, Uconn, @CU could end their non MSG chances before Feb.
CU has looked pretty meh, the Kansas win will always look good, but that's it for Q1 and without Isaacs, I don't see enough playmaking ability on that squad.
Nova is the closet NET wise, but are still without a Q1 win and a pair of Q3 losses. Win their next two and maybe?
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 08, 2025, 01:37:23 PMSo who's got the best chance to be the Beast's 4th bid?
Gtown certainly looked the part last night, but that resume is still... woof.
I don't trust X to be able to go on a run. Think their stretch of @MU, @StJ, Uconn, @CU could end their non MSG chances before Feb.
CU has looked pretty meh, the Kansas win will always look good, but that's it for Q1 and without Isaacs, I don't see enough playmaking ability on that squad.
Nova is the closet NET wise, but are still without a Q1 win and a pair of Q3 losses. Win their next two and maybe?
Think you covered it. Depaul, Seton Hall, Providence and Butler have little to no shot.
The next two for me are Creighton and Georgetown. I will say Creighton finds a way in. 2 Q1 wins and no bad losses. If Nebraska moves up a little there's a chance they have no losses below Q1. They haven't played any of the BE bottom feeders yet. They could get to 19-12 (12-8) and have a good shot. I think 10-6 is realistic for them with 8 remaining against the four bottom teams.
Georgetown looks good, but they have to start building a resume.
Xavier and Nova are right there, but watching them I am not sure I see enough coaching.
Has X had the toughest BE schedule to start the season?
UConn, us, St. John's, Georgetown
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 08, 2025, 01:37:23 PMSo who's got the best chance to be the Beast's 4th bid?
Gtown certainly looked the part last night, but that resume is still... woof.
I don't trust X to be able to go on a run. Think their stretch of @MU, @StJ, Uconn, @CU could end their non MSG chances before Feb.
CU has looked pretty meh, the Kansas win will always look good, but that's it for Q1 and without Isaacs, I don't see enough playmaking ability on that squad.
Nova is the closet NET wise, but are still without a Q1 win and a pair of Q3 losses. Win their next two and maybe?
I think it'll be Georgetown, but with UConn and St John's this week, Nova can get right in the mix.
GT doesn't have any great wins, but no terrible losses either. They would be aided by getting a couple off MU/UConn/SJU and grabbing a couple of the lower tier Q1 road games.
Nova, man those bad losses hurt. Neptune loves digging a hole.
Creighton is the only other one I can see, but agreed that without Isaacs it's probably too tough. Xavier I just don't think has the defense to win consistently. They'll grab a big win or two, but probably drop a game to DePaul or SHU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 08, 2025, 03:00:47 PMI think it'll be Georgetown, but with UConn and St John's this week, Nova can get right in the mix.
GT doesn't have any great wins, but no terrible losses either. They would be aided by getting a couple off MU/UConn/SJU and grabbing a couple of the lower tier Q1 road games.
Nova, man those bad losses hurt. Neptune loves digging a hole.
Creighton is the only other one I can see, but agreed that without Isaacs it's probably too tough. Xavier I just don't think has the defense to win consistently. They'll grab a big win or two, but probably drop a game to DePaul or SHU.
How many wins do you think Gtown needs? That non-conference SOS is truly abysmal. Like, need 25 wins and (IMO) still might be sweating.
8 Q4 games with half of them being sub 300, combined with no Q1 or Q2A wins and an NET in the 70s. If we hadn't just gotten a real good look at them, I would be saying no way.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 08, 2025, 02:38:28 PMHas X had the toughest BE schedule to start the season?
UConn, us, St. John's, Georgetown
Absolutely
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 08, 2025, 03:09:34 PMHow many wins do you think Gtown needs? That non-conference SOS is truly abysmal. Like, need 25 wins and (IMO) still might be sweating.
8 Q4 games with half of them being sub 300, combined with no Q1 or Q2A wins and an NET in the 70s. If we hadn't just gotten a real good look at them, I would be saying no way.
Playing around with the Teamcast feature on T-rank, 24-7 (15-5 BE) sends Georgetown to Dayton. 25-6 (16-4 BE) makes them a 9 seed.
Earning an at large bid is a very tall task for Georgetown.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 08, 2025, 04:05:25 PMAbsolutely
You think Marquette sucks, so that X loss to Marquette is a bad one
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 08, 2025, 04:56:55 PMPlaying around with the Teamcast feature on T-rank, 24-7 (15-5 BE) sends Georgetown to Dayton. 25-6 (16-4 BE) makes them a 9 seed.
Earning an at large bid is a very tall task for Georgetown.
Yea they aren't that good. They will likely have 3 BE losses by next week.
They just have a pretty good coach who knows Marquette well and game planned a perfect gameplan in the 1H.
They gave MU their best shot, and it was impressive that they kept battling and had a lead with 3 mins left, but a lot of teams will give MU their best shot as the hunted this season.
They are tough defensively, but will struggle to score all season. I'd say it's an accomplishment if they make the NIT
Quote from: DoctorV on January 08, 2025, 08:10:11 PMYea they aren't that good. They will likely have 3 BE losses by next week.
They just have a pretty good coach who knows Marquette well and game planned a perfect gameplan in the 1H.
They gave MU their best shot, and it was impressive that they kept battling and had a lead with 3 mins left, but a lot of teams will give MU their best shot as the hunted this season.
They are tough defensively, but will struggle to score all season. I'd say it's an accomplishment if they make the NIT
That would be sensational. Back in 2025, the NIT was as prestigious as the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 08, 2025, 04:56:55 PMPlaying around with the Teamcast feature on T-rank, 24-7 (15-5 BE) sends Georgetown to Dayton. 25-6 (16-4 BE) makes them a 9 seed.
Earning an at large bid is a very tall task for Georgetown.
Let's hope that doesn't happen. The optics would be terrible to have a big east team with that kind of record so close to the bubble. On the other hand, they completely deserve it for playing that Mickey Mouse schedule.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 08, 2025, 04:56:55 PMPlaying around with the Teamcast feature on T-rank, 24-7 (15-5 BE) sends Georgetown to Dayton. 25-6 (16-4 BE) makes them a 9 seed.
Earning an at large bid is a very tall task for Georgetown.
I think 13-7 might be enough depending on the rest of the Big East. But they'll need 3-4 Q1 wins in there. Getting UConn at home (without McNeeley) would be huge. Getting one off St John's (31, just outside Q1 at home) and two road wins at Xavier, Creighton, Nova, Providence, or Butler (those last two are 78/82, just outside Q1 road).
Probably just depends on whether or not Thomas Sorber can play 35+ mpg.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 09, 2025, 06:14:11 AMI think 13-7 might be enough depending on the rest of the Big East. But they'll need 3-4 Q1 wins in there. Getting UConn at home (without McNeeley) would be huge. Getting one off St John's (31, just outside Q1 at home) and two road wins at Xavier, Creighton, Nova, Providence, or Butler (those last two are 78/82, just outside Q1 road).
Probably just depends on whether or not Thomas Sorber can play 35+ mpg.
13-7 is probably the minimum to get Georgetown to be in the discussion.
And a lot depends on how they get to 13-7. They need to get their predictive and resumé metrics up quite a bit.
thinking about this due to their recent two game losing streak putting them on the bubble, if selected as an at-large could or would Dayton be put into the Dayton games if they were one of the last four in? Or would it be a BYU situation where they get selected but seeded differently due to restrictions?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 10, 2025, 02:16:29 PMthinking about this due to their recent two game losing streak putting them on the bubble, if selected as an at-large could or would Dayton be put into the Dayton games if they were one of the last four in? Or would it be a BYU situation where they get selected but seeded differently due to restrictions?
They would play at home in Dayton. In 2015, they beat Boise State 56-55 in a play-in at UD Arena.
You're really Dayton yourself, brew.
According to Torvik Big East current and games remaining, in conference SOS:
MU 6,9
St. John's 10,7
UCONN 8,8
Nova 11,3
Georgetown 7,4
Creighton 1,11
Providence 3,6
Seton Hall 9,1
X 4,5
Butler 2, 10
DePaul 5,2
I'm probably more bullish on Creighton because they have a lot of opportunities for some wins going forward.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 11, 2025, 06:17:32 AMAccording to Torvik Big East current and games remaining, in conference SOS:
MU 6,9
St. John's 10,7
UCONN 8,8
Nova 11,3
Georgetown 7,4
Creighton 1,11
Providence 3,6
Seton Hall 9,1
X 4,5
Butler 2, 10
DePaul 5,2
I'm probably more bullish on Creighton because they have a lot of opportunities for some wins going forward.
You're not buying DePaul stock?!?! :D
Fox sports just showed GTown and Nova as next four out. If they manage to slip into the tournament I'll be absolutely flabbergasted
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 11, 2025, 01:07:32 PMFox sports just showed GTown and Nova as next four out. If they manage to slip into the tournament I'll be absolutely flabbergasted
Need 68 teams
Teams that best UC or MU and can finish 11-9 or better will make it. Otherwise I think they'll need 13+ BE wins.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 11, 2025, 01:07:32 PMFox sports just showed GTown and Nova as next four out. If they manage to slip into the tournament I'll be absolutely flabbergasted
Fox Sports is one of the worst bracket projectors. Don't pay any attention to them.
Today before the Marquette Seton Hall game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Charleston in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed louisville versus #11 Seed UCF/Indiana in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Big East has 4 Teams In according to Lunardi
Marquette #3 Seed
UCONN #6 Seed
Saint John's # 7 Seed
Creighton # 9 Seed
Xavier is in the Next 4 Out
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on January 22, 2025, 01:16:10 AMToday before the Marquette Seton Hall game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Charleston in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed louisville versus #11 Seed UCF/Indiana in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
Big East has 4 Teams In according to Lunardi
Marquette #3 Seed
UCONN #6 Seed
Saint John's # 7 Seed
Creighton # 9 Seed
Xavier is in the Next 4 Out
Pretty agnostic between a 2 and a 3 - the big drop ip probs comes from 1 to 2 - still a drop from 2 to 3 but I think much more matchup dependent - there are 3 seed paths to the S16 than can be easier than 2 seed paths
Today after Marquette's Win over Seton Hall Marquette is a # 2 Seed and # 8 Overall in Joe Lunardi's S Curve
I'm seeing a lot of people putting Mizzou around the 5 line.
Jesus
If they get a 5 or 6 I pray we fall to the 3 or 4 in their region
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2025, 11:15:39 AMI'm seeing a lot of people putting Mizzou around the 5 line.
Jesus
If they get a 5 or 6 I pray we fall to the 3 or 4 in their region
They're a 7 in Bracketmatrix, with one bracket having them as a 5 seed.
I know we beat them in the secret scrimmage, and pretty comfortably. But I wouldn't love the matchup. Mitchell would be a matchup nightmare for us. They're long and athletic and play aggressive defense and they only turn the ball over 10.8 times per game. Teams that can turn us over are who scare me the most. If we don't win the turnover battle, we're in trouble. They also get to the line a ton.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 11:31:59 AMTeams that can turn us over are who scare me the most. If we don't win the turnover battle, we're in trouble.
Honestly, for all the handwringing about outside shooting, the offense, rebounding... this is the main thing for MU.
Lost the TO battle against X and Dayton. Was only 1 better at ISU.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 11:31:59 AMThey're a 7 in Bracketmatrix, with one bracket having them as a 5 seed.
I know we beat them in the secret scrimmage, and pretty comfortably. But I wouldn't love the matchup. Mitchell would be a matchup nightmare for us. They're long and athletic and play aggressive defense and they only turn the ball over 10.8 times per game. Teams that can turn us over are who scare me the most. If we don't win the turnover battle, we're in trouble. They also get to the line a ton.
One of the brackets I saw this morning had Marquette as a 3, and none of the 6 seeds were really teams I'd be signing up to play.
West Virginia, Arizona, Louisville, Memphis. All tough matchups...the beauty of March.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 24, 2025, 12:39:59 PMOne of the brackets I saw this morning had Marquette as a 3, and none of the 6 seeds were really teams I'd be signing up to play.
West Virginia, Arizona, Louisville, Memphis. All tough matchups...the beauty of March.
Whenever I look at these things, all of the potential opponents in the second round and beyond always look dangerous. And they should. It's the NCAA tournament, and a Sweet 16 bid is on the line.
Quote from: MU82 on January 24, 2025, 01:19:29 PMWhenever I look at these things, all of the potential opponents in the second round and beyond always look dangerous. And they should. It's the NCAA tournament, and a Sweet 16 bid is on the line.
Yup!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 24, 2025, 12:39:59 PMOne of the brackets I saw this morning had Marquette as a 3, and none of the 6 seeds were really teams I'd be signing up to play.
West Virginia, Arizona, Louisville, Memphis. All tough matchups...the beauty of March.
I'm worried.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 24, 2025, 05:30:29 PMStill worried about 2028
Based on progressing one more step each year, that's the year we win the national championship.
2021 - Miss NCAA
2022 - Make NCAA, 0 wins
2023 - 1 win
2024 - 2 wins (Sweet 16)
2025 - 3 wins (Elite 8)
2026 - 4 wins (Final 4)
2027 - 5 wins (NC Runner Up)
2028 - 6 wins (National Champions)
Theoretically, the committee "selects" the top 16 teams to be a 4 seed or better. If all the favorites win the first weekend, we're left with those 16 seeds facing each other. When MU gets to the second weekend, we'll be playing a top 16 seed as determined by the committee.
It's a roll of the dice whether the team we face is over-ranked by the committee entering the tournament, or we match up well based on personnel, or who's hot or not.
Bottom line, bracketology is fun, but means very little this early. For the Eyores, yes, we're going to play a top 16 team in weekend number two. And guess what, it gets harder after that.
Wasn't NC State an 11 seed last year? It just boils down to playing our best basketball.
Quote from: romey on January 26, 2025, 11:05:57 AMTheoretically, the committee "selects" the top 16 teams to be a 4 seed or better. If all the favorites win the first weekend, we're left with those 16 seeds facing each other. When MU gets to the second weekend, we'll be playing a top 16 seed as determined by the committee.
It's a roll of the dice whether the team we face is over-ranked by the committee entering the tournament, or we match up well based on personnel, or who's hot or not.
Bottom line, bracketology is fun, but means very little this early. For the Eyores, yes, we're going to play a top 16 team in weekend number two. And guess what, it gets harder after that.
Worried
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 26, 2025, 12:52:18 PMWorried
Imagine thinking we'll make the second weekend 😂
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2025, 12:55:03 PMImagine thinking we'll make the second weekend 😂
Just telling everyone to relax. No reason to be "ascared."
January 24th before the Marquette Villanova game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #2 Seed playing #15 Seed UNC Asheville in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #7 Seed Texas Tech versus #10 Seed Pittsburgh in the Atlanta South Region.
5 Big East Teams Mentioned
UCONN #6 Seed
Saint John's #6 Seed
Creighton #8 Seed
Xavier Next Four Out
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/big-east-men-s-bracketology-who-will-separate-in-the-second-half-of-the-season/ar-AA1xXisr?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=31ccf4f3791a408ca03fa3338944e6ed&ei=77
Today before the Marquette Butler game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #2 Seed playing #15 Seed UNC Asheville in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #7 Seed UCLA versus #10 Seed Oklahoma in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
5 Big East Teams Mentioned
Marquette #2 Seed
Saint John's #7 Seed
UCONN #8 Seed
Creighton #8 Seed
Xavier FIRST TEAM OUT overall
To be the best, you have to beat the best!
We will be fine.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 29, 2025, 07:11:24 AMTo be the best, you have to beat the best!
We will be fine.
Amen. It isn't supposed to be easy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 26, 2025, 07:20:46 AMBased on progressing one more step each year, that's the year we win the national championship.
2021 - Miss NCAA
2022 - Make NCAA, 0 wins
2023 - 1 win
2024 - 2 wins (Sweet 16)
2025 - 3 wins (Elite 8)
2026 - 4 wins (Final 4)
2027 - 5 wins (NC Runner Up)
2028 - 6 wins (National Champions)
👋
Yesterday before the Marquette Saint John's game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Jacksonville State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Maryland versus #11 Seed Drake in the Indianapolis Midwest Region.
5 Big East Teams Mentioned
Marquette #3 Seed
Saint John's #6 Seed
UCONN #7 Seed
Creighton #8 Seed
Xavier FIRST FOUR OUT
Today before the Marquette at Creighton game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Jacksonville State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Michigan versus #11 Seed Vanderbilt/ San Diego State Winner in the South Atlanta Region.
2 Teams Marquette beat on the way to the 1974 Final Four Vanderbilt and Michigan
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 08, 2025, 01:12:37 PMToday before the Marquette at Creighton game Joe Lunardi ESPN has Marquette as a #3 Seed playing #14 Seed Jacksonville State in Cleveland. With the winner playing the winner of #6 Seed Michigan versus #11 Seed Vanderbilt/ San Diego State Winner in the South Atlanta Region.
2 Teams Marquette beat on the way to the 1974 Final Four Vanderbilt and Michigan
I remember it fondly. Al cost us a natty with his technical fouls and getting badly out coached
Today ESPN Joe Lunardi Ranked The Power Conferences.
5. ACC
4. Big East
3. Big Ten
2. Big 12
1. SEC
Lunardi hates BE & MU
In Bracketmatrix, we're now the first 5, just behind St. John's and Kentucky but well ahead of the other 5s - Michigan, Mississippi and UCLA.
Quote from: MU82 on February 12, 2025, 03:51:56 PMIn Bracketmatrix, we're now the first 5, just behind St. John's and Kentucky but well ahead of the other 5s - Michigan, Mississippi and UCLA.
I heard Michigan's win over Purdue last night, with weeks left before conference tournaments start, locked them into a 4 seed.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 12, 2025, 06:44:25 PMI heard Michigan's win over Purdue last night, with weeks left before conference tournaments start, locked them into a 4 seed.
If someone actually used the word "locked" the key would be right next to the door.
They probably are correct that Michigan's recent wins and MU's recent losses, the most recent of which occurred after some of the brackets in the Bracket Matrix were submitted, moves Michigan ahead of MU on many seed lists for now.
But, Michigan has a brutal schedule coming up, including one at Ohio State (and this isn't football), at Nebraska and MSU, and home games against Illinois and MSU. Lots of opportunities for big wins and multiple losses.
Quote from: MU82 on February 12, 2025, 03:51:56 PMIn Bracketmatrix, we're now the first 5, just behind St. John's and Kentucky but well ahead of the other 5s - Michigan, Mississippi and UCLA.
We are also the first 5 seed #17 overall in Joe Lunardi's ESPN's S Curve.
Today before the Marquette at Seton Hall game Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 Seed Drake in Denver. With the winner playing the winner of #4 Seed Texas Tech versus #13 Seed Akron in the West San Francisco Region.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 18, 2025, 05:13:45 PMWe are also the first 5 seed #17 overall in Joe Lunardi's ESPN's S Curve.
Today before the Marquette at Seton Hall game Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 Seed Drake in Denver. With the winner playing the winner of #4 Seed Texas Tech versus #13 Seed Akron in the West San Francisco Region.
I would not like that set. I think we can beat all 3 but doesn't feel good.
Of course it's all talking points...I think we get a 4.
Most brackets this morning have us as one of the last two 7 seeds or first 8 seed.
Damn...it would be nice to avoid that 8/9.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2025, 10:45:03 AMMost brackets this morning have us as one of the last two 7 seeds or first 8 seed.
Damn...it would be nice to avoid that 8/9.
I think seven is their floor.
Bracket matrix, which admittedly takes awhile to sort things out, has us as a solid six. (Playing Arkansas in the first round.) 🫠🫠🫠
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 18, 2025, 05:13:45 PMWe are also the first 5 seed #17 overall in Joe Lunardi's ESPN's S Curve.
Today before the Marquette at Seton Hall game Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a #5 Seed playing #12 Seed Drake in Denver. With the winner playing the winner of #4 Seed Texas Tech versus #13 Seed Akron in the West San Francisco Region.
Not drake, we all fear drake.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 11:18:38 AMBracket matrix, which admittedly takes awhile to sort things out, has us as a solid six. (Playing Arkansas in the first round.) 🫠🫠🫠
Hopefully we shoot better than 23% if we play the Hogs. >:(
A 6 is obviously a lot better than a 7 or 8. I'm looking at the 2's and don't really like our chances if we're able to win our 1st game. Mich St. is not a good matchup for us and nor is Texas Tech or Bama/Florida. Tenn we could have a shot.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 09, 2025, 11:41:34 AMA 6 is obviously a lot better than a 7 or 8. I'm looking at the 2's and don't really like our chances if we're able to win our 1st game. Mich St. is not a good matchup for us and nor is Texas Tech or Bama/Florida. Tenn we could have a shot.
I'd take a rematch with MSU to get to the S16. Mostly because that means we'd have won our 1st round game, but also because I think MSU is beatable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 09, 2025, 11:41:34 AMA 6 is obviously a lot better than a 7 or 8. I'm looking at the 2's and don't really like our chances if we're able to win our 1st game. Mich St. is not a good matchup for us and nor is Texas Tech or Bama/Florida. Tenn we could have a shot.
We don't deserve to win the first game.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:49:30 AMWe don't deserve to win the first game.
We haven't played the first game yet.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 09, 2025, 11:51:14 AMWe haven't played the first game yet.
Doesn't matter. We don't deserve to win it.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2025, 11:44:30 AMI'd take a rematch with MSU to get to the S16. Mostly because that means we'd have won our 1st round game, but also because I think MSU is beatable.
MSU would not be a good match up at all.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 11:52:22 AMMSU would not be a good match up at all.
Ya.....I don't like that possibility.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:49:30 AMWe don't deserve to win the first game.
Yes as long as MU doesn't hit the portal for bangers / mid-range shooters and recruits that hit over 40% 3pts and Ft shooters, MU won't win again.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2025, 10:45:03 AMMost brackets this morning have us as one of the last two 7 seeds or first 8 seed.
Damn...it would be nice to avoid that 8/9.
Worried.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 09, 2025, 11:53:40 AMYes as long as MU doesn't hit the portal for bangers / mid-range shooters and recruits that hit over 40% 3pts and Ft shooters, MU won't win again.
Ever?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2025, 10:45:03 AMMost brackets this morning have us as one of the last two 7 seeds or first 8 seed.
Damn...it would be nice to avoid that 8/9.
Amazing how that seed keeps dropping when many on this board believe the team is playing well. Wonder what happened to that 2 seed from 2 months ago that many here were talking about. Should be talking more about us dropping off a cliff. There is no question that this team is the weakest of Shakas since year 1 and that it is going in wrong direction. Next year is year 5 and all the players will be Shakas. Based on where we are right now, are we headed in the right direction?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 12:05:52 PMAmazing how that seed keeps dropping when many on this board believe the team is playing well. Wonder what happened to that 2 seed from 2 months ago that many here were talking about. Should be talking more about us dropping off a cliff. There is no question that this team is the weakest of Shakas since year 1 and that it is going in wrong direction. Next year is year 5 and all the players will be Shakas. Based on where we are right now, are we headed in the right direction?
Four straight winning seasons in conference for a program that had two in the prior seven seasons...I'd say no doubt.
Just out of curiosity, what coach is the savior that you want for MU?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 12:05:52 PMAmazing how that seed keeps dropping when many on this board believe the team is playing well. Wonder what happened to that 2 seed from 2 months ago that many here were talking about. Should be talking more about us dropping off a cliff. There is no question that this team is the weakest of Shakas since year 1 and that it is going in wrong direction. Next year is year 5 and all the players will be Shakas. Based on where we are right now, are we headed in the right direction?
Nobody on here thinks they are playing great. They are looking better and have put together a respectable season.
It's all about what's ahead. Either join in on the fun or STFU
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 12:05:52 PMAmazing how that seed keeps dropping when many on this board believe the team is playing well. Wonder what happened to that 2 seed from 2 months ago that many here were talking about. Should be talking more about us dropping off a cliff. There is no question that this team is the weakest of Shakas since year 1 and that it is going in wrong direction. Next year is year 5 and all the players will be Shakas. Based on where we are right now, are we headed in the right direction?
Not much room to go but down when you're a 2 seed in back to back years. Find me a single program that has a linear improvement year over year without ever taking a step back for a season or a couple of seasons.
This is why people make fun of you. Maybe you're smarter than what you post here, but your posts aren't very smart and your expectations are unrealistic.
Anyone else picture Willie like this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1095568616475553792/CH_eDTRG_400x400.jpg)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 09, 2025, 12:26:54 PMAnyone else picture Willie like this?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1095568616475553792/CH_eDTRG_400x400.jpg)
(https://media.tenor.com/uyAdrIYj-NAAAAAM/mad-serious.gif)
Full disclosure: I'm a grumpy old man.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2025, 12:16:33 PMNobody on here thinks they are playing great. They are looking better and have put together a respectable season.
I actually think we're playing pretty well lately. I don't think I'm the only one, but maybe I am.
I agree we have put together a respectable season. Like most if not all others here, I wish it were even better; I'd obviously much rather be a 1-3 seed than a 7-8 seed. But I'm not going to make any demands or threats I won't keep.
The whole, "If you aren't pizzed off, it means you accept losing" thing is ridiculous. What does it even mean?
If someone is really being honest about it being
"unacceptable" that Marquette reached the NCAAT for a fourth straight year, this time as a 7-8 seed, they should go find a more acceptable program to support.
I agree. I think if we get a 6 seed (we probably won't anymore) we make the sweet 16
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2025, 02:43:28 PMI actually think we're playing pretty well lately. I don't think I'm the only one, but maybe I am.
I agree we have put together a respectable season. Like most if not all others here, I wish it were even better; I'd obviously much rather be a 1-3 seed than a 7-8 seed. But I'm not going to make any demands or threats I won't keep.
The whole, "If you aren't pizzed off, it means you accept losing" thing is ridiculous. What does it even mean?
If someone is really being honest about it being "unacceptable" that Marquette reached the NCAAT for a fourth straight year, this time as a 7-8 seed, they should go find a more acceptable program to support.
Is disappointed a better word? If you're not disappointed with how the season has gone since Feb 1st (or even January 5th) it would certainly seem to suggest that high-level regular-season success isn't a metric you value in the program (or you measure high-level success by a metric other than W/Ls and NCAAT seeding) - that's fine - you don't have to - but it also seems weird to disparage the fandom of those that do.
We went from an inside-track to a 2-seed (which would have brought a very high likelihood of a trip to the S16), and pretty much a lock for a protected seed, to a team in the 7-9 range which means a 1st round win is basically a coin-flip.
If there's a silver lining (and I'm not sure there is) being a worse seed does give us an opportunity to really overperform in the NCAAT, something Shaka has not yet done (obviously harder to do as a better seed). A Cinderella run to the E8 or beyond would certainly wash all the bitter taste of the past 6 weeks from my mouth.
I think you can be disappointed in how the season has played out but hold out hope for a bit of a run in the NCAAs. I mean, why not?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:06:37 AMI think you can be disappointed in how the season has played out but hold out hope for a bit of a run in the NCAAs. I mean, why not?
Fool's gold. Best thing that can happen to this program is for it to completely tank and bottom out. Shaka has shown he can't compete with the Big Dogs and keep up with them. A deep run like NC State just to prolong the agony would be a detriment to the program
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 08:11:39 AMFool's gold. Best thing that can happen to this program is for it to completely tank and bottom out. Shaka has shown he can't compete with the Big Dogs and keep up with them. A deep run like NC State just to prolong the agony would be a detriment to the program
Good point. The last thing this program needs is a Final Four appearance. Even worse would be a national championship. Then we'll be saddled with Shaka for awhile.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:15:54 AMGood point. The last thing this program needs is a Final Four appearance. Even worse would be a national championship. Then we'll be saddled with Shaka for awhile.
I'd hate to win a national title. It might erase the greatness of Jim Chones
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 08:42:28 AMI'd hate to win a national title. It might erase the greatness of Jim Chones
Yes, that time he manhandled Kareem was something.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:15:54 AMGood point. The last thing this program needs is a Final Four appearance. Even worse would be a national championship. Then we'll be saddled with Shaka for awhile.
Imagine, having to extend him!
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:15:54 AMGood point. The last thing this program needs is a Final Four appearance. Even worse would be a national championship. Then we'll be saddled with Shaka for awhile.
All Shaka needs to do is copy Marcus Freeman. Bench Stevie for Zaide, bench Jop for Royce, and most importantly, bench Ben for Caedin.
Then we too can lose a national title game. And the only reason Shaka will lose the title game is to keep the team hungry for next year.
Quote from: 1SE on March 10, 2025, 05:25:16 AMIs disappointed a better word? If you're not disappointed with how the season has gone since Feb 1st (or even January 5th) it would certainly seem to suggest that high-level regular-season success isn't a metric you value in the program (or you measure high-level success by a metric other than W/Ls and NCAAT seeding) - that's fine - you don't have to - but it also seems weird to disparage the fandom of those that do.
We went from an inside-track to a 2-seed (which would have brought a very high likelihood of a trip to the S16), and pretty much a lock for a protected seed, to a team in the 7-9 range which means a 1st round win is basically a coin-flip.
If there's a silver lining (and I'm not sure there is) being a worse seed does give us an opportunity to really overperform in the NCAAT, something Shaka has not yet done (obviously harder to do as a better seed). A Cinderella run to the E8 or beyond would certainly wash all the bitter taste of the past 6 weeks from my mouth.
I'd say sure, disappointed is a better word. Like you, I'm disappointed that we didn't play as well in conference as we did before that. FWIW, I think it's OK to be disappointed - even very disappointed - while also acknowledging that we've played pretty well the last couple of weeks. That's where I am.
But I "accept" where Marquette stands right now because I'm not going to stop being a fan of the program. Doesn't that apply to you, too?
So yes, I poke fun at those who say they aren't gonna accept it but then stick around to accept it. I mean, if someone isn't gonna accept it ... see ya!
No idea how good The Athletic is at bracketology, but their latest bracket favors Marquette about as much as any could right now.
They have us playing in Cleveland as a 7-seed, facing Utah State, with Tennessee as the 2. St. John's is the 3 in the region. I wouldn't bet on us winning a bunch of games, but there are a whole lot worse roads to advancing than that one.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2025, 09:52:18 AMNo idea how good The Athletic is at bracketology, but their latest bracket favors Marquette about as much as any could right now.
They have us playing in Cleveland as a 7-seed, facing Utah State, with Tennessee as the 2. St. John's is the 3 in the region. I wouldn't bet on us winning a bunch of games, but there are a whole lot worse roads to advancing than that one.
Tennessee is very tough and very good defensively. That's not a team I'd look forward to playing.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2025, 09:52:18 AMNo idea how good The Athletic is at bracketology, but their latest bracket favors Marquette about as much as any could right now.
They have us playing in Cleveland as a 7-seed, facing Utah State, with Tennessee as the 2. St. John's is the 3 in the region. I wouldn't bet on us winning a bunch of games, but there are a whole lot worse roads to advancing than that one.
Bad draw - the legend of the legendary basketball coach Stew Morrill would take us out...
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 11, 2025, 10:04:08 AMBad draw - the legend of the legendary basketball coach Stew Morrill would take us out...
Hologram Al vs. Hologram Stew
EDIT: Oops Stew's not dead.
We are the first team listed in Jeff Eisenberg's "5 opponents NCAA tourney teams want to draw on Selection Sunday"
Marquette Golden Eagles
Record: 22-9, 13-7 Big East | Projected seed: No. 6
On Friday, Jan. 3, Marquette comfortably defeated Creighton to improve its record to 13-2 and cement its place in the top eight in the AP poll. Hard as it may be to believe, that was the last NCAA tournament-caliber opponent that the Golden Eagles have beaten.
Since then, Marquette has performed like the No. 46 team in the country, according to Bart Torvik's rankings. The best win Marquette has notched during that span is ... at Georgetown? Or maybe home against Villanova? The Golden Eagles dropped all six games against fellow top-five Big East teams since early January, the last one via a St. John's buzzer beater on senior night.
Marquette is almost certain to be a single-digit seed on Selection Sunday thanks to non-league victories over the likes of Wisconsin, Maryland, Purdue, Georgia and George Mason. Still, if the Golden Eagles don't hit more of the open shots they're generating and don't provide more offensive support for All-American guard Kam Jones, their stay in the NCAA tournament is likely to be brief.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2025, 10:20:34 AMWe are the first team listed in Jeff Eisenberg's "5 opponents NCAA tourney teams want to draw on Selection Sunday"
Marquette Golden Eagles
Record: 22-9, 13-7 Big East | Projected seed: No. 6
On Friday, Jan. 3, Marquette comfortably defeated Creighton to improve its record to 13-2 and cement its place in the top eight in the AP poll. Hard as it may be to believe, that was the last NCAA tournament-caliber opponent that the Golden Eagles have beaten.
Since then, Marquette has performed like the No. 46 team in the country, according to Bart Torvik's rankings. The best win Marquette has notched during that span is ... at Georgetown? Or maybe home against Villanova? The Golden Eagles dropped all six games against fellow top-five Big East teams since early January, the last one via a St. John's buzzer beater on senior night.
Marquette is almost certain to be a single-digit seed on Selection Sunday thanks to non-league victories over the likes of Wisconsin, Maryland, Purdue, Georgia and George Mason. Still, if the Golden Eagles don't hit more of the open shots they're generating and don't provide more offensive support for All-American guard Kam Jones, their stay in the NCAA tournament is likely to be brief.
Honestly...perfect.
Let's go into March with a little bit of a different agenda than the past 2 years.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2025, 09:58:31 AMTennessee is very tough and very good defensively. That's not a team I'd look forward to playing.
If we're a 7, any 2 will be extremely tough. I think I'd prefer Tennessee to MSU, Florida or Alabama, the other names I've seen as 2 possibilities. But I am not deluding myself into thinking Tennessee would be easy.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2025, 10:25:12 AMIf we're a 7, any 2 will be extremely tough. I think I'd prefer Tennessee to MSU, Florida or Alabama, the other names I've seen as 2 possibilities. But I am not deluding myself into thinking Tennessee would be easy.
Gimme MSU!
Their bigs could struggle to guard the perimeter and they don't have that one star. Richardson is probably their best player and he's a Freshman.
I'll take our chances with our experienced backcourt and versatile front court with redemption factor against that team.
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2025, 02:43:28 PMI actually think we're playing pretty well lately. I don't think I'm the only one, but maybe I am.
I agree we have put together a respectable season. Like most if not all others here, I wish it were even better; I'd obviously much rather be a 1-3 seed than a 7-8 seed. But I'm not going to make any demands or threats I won't keep.
The whole, "If you aren't pizzed off, it means you accept losing" thing is ridiculous. What does it even mean?
If someone is really being honest about it being "unacceptable" that Marquette reached the NCAAT for a fourth straight year, this time as a 7-8 seed, they should go find a more acceptable program to support.
I think we've played well the last four games compared to the month + before that. We've played like a borderline top 25 team in that short stretch.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2025, 10:25:12 AMIf we're a 7, any 2 will be extremely tough. I think I'd prefer Tennessee to MSU, Florida or Alabama, the other names I've seen as 2 possibilities. But I am not deluding myself into thinking Tennessee would be easy.
Correct. Any 2 seed in this tournament would be a "bad" match-up. Gotta beat somebody.
We got a "good" match-up against NC State last year with an all-time talented MU team and still lost because we went 3-100 behind the arc. I'm less concerned about "good" and "bad" match-ups then ever before, since the 3-pointer in the great equalizer. If you're hot from 3, you can beat anyone. And the opposite holds true.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2025, 10:20:34 AMWe are the first team listed in Jeff Eisenberg's "5 opponents NCAA tourney teams want to draw on Selection Sunday"
Marquette Golden Eagles
Record: 22-9, 13-7 Big East | Projected seed: No. 6
On Friday, Jan. 3, Marquette comfortably defeated Creighton to improve its record to 13-2 and cement its place in the top eight in the AP poll. Hard as it may be to believe, that was the last NCAA tournament-caliber opponent that the Golden Eagles have beaten.
Since then, Marquette has performed like the No. 46 team in the country, according to Bart Torvik's rankings. The best win Marquette has notched during that span is ... at Georgetown? Or maybe home against Villanova? The Golden Eagles dropped all six games against fellow top-five Big East teams since early January, the last one via a St. John's buzzer beater on senior night.
Marquette is almost certain to be a single-digit seed on Selection Sunday thanks to non-league victories over the likes of Wisconsin, Maryland, Purdue, Georgia and George Mason. Still, if the Golden Eagles don't hit more of the open shots they're generating and don't provide more offensive support for All-American guard Kam Jones, their stay in the NCAA tournament is likely to be brief.
This was completely and utterly predictable.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 11, 2025, 10:44:53 AMThis was completely and utterly predictable.
I mean...it's not wrong.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 11, 2025, 10:44:53 AMThis was completely and utterly predictable.
True. I was hoping the spotlight would be on some another team though. I am not blaming Eisenberg at all. He was just doing his job.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on March 11, 2025, 10:43:50 AMCorrect. Any 2 seed in this tournament would be a "bad" match-up. Gotta beat somebody.
We got a "good" match-up against NC State last year with an all-time talented MU team and still lost because we went 3-100 behind the arc. I'm less concerned about "good" and "bad" match-ups then ever before, since the 3-pointer in the great equalizer. If you're hot from 3, you can beat anyone. And the opposite holds true.
We don't even need to be "hot" from 3; we just need to not be bad. There were several losses that we'd have won if we hit even 35-40%. Last week's UConn game and the NC State game, we win if we hit 30%. So it doesn't have to be a Villanova-goes-12-for-15-in-the-first-half game. Just decent.
And that's one big reason I'm pretty optimistic, probably more than most. Jop's 3 is starting to come around (.429 last 4 games, including .600 the last two), and he's hit some big ones in NCAAT games before. Kam has had some good-shooting games lately (not including the two 0-for-5s). Gold's shot looks good and he's had some good all-around games. Etc.
So yeah, it's optimism. But I don't think it's wild, pie-in-the-sky optimism.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 11, 2025, 10:59:40 AMI mean...it's not wrong.
it's absolutely spot on, I agree with it completely.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 11, 2025, 10:38:22 AMI think we've played well the last four games compared to the month + before that. We've played like a borderline top 25 team in that short stretch.
Per Torvik, which has sortable stats by date, we have been the #16 team in the country since Feb 25 (I.e. last four games)
Through the Creighton game we were #11.
From 1/4-2/24 we were only #64.
Now back to #16 for the last stretch. For those of us on Team "We're Back" that feels pretty telling.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 11, 2025, 11:04:22 AMPer Torvik, which has sortable stats by date, we have been the #16 team in the country since Feb 25 (I.e. last four games)
Through the Creighton game we were #11.
From 1/4-2/24 we were only #64.
Now back to #16 for the last stretch. For those of us on Team "We're Back" that feels pretty telling.
It doesn't make me think we're a shoo-in for anything, but it does support my eye test: We're playing pretty well.
Not great. Not like a Final Four team. Not even the way we were in Nov/Dec. But pretty well. Which gives me optimism that we can play even better - something a little better shooting would take care of.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 11, 2025, 11:04:22 AMPer Torvik, which has sortable stats by date, we have been the #16 team in the country since Feb 25 (I.e. last four games)
Through the Creighton game we were #11.
From 1/4-2/24 we were only #64.
Now back to #16 for the last stretch. For those of us on Team "We're Back" that feels pretty telling.
That translates to a Sweet 16.
As of this mornings bracket Jerry palm has MU as a 5 seed.
So that means we are an 11 playing in Dayton
Quote from: fjm on March 11, 2025, 09:50:09 PMAs of this mornings bracket Jerry palm has MU as a 5 seed.
So that means we are an 11 playing in Dayton
I saw that. Outlier at best. We need to win BET to even smell a 5.
I'm not being negative. Most have us at 7 right now...even a couple of reputable 8s. I'm hoping on a 6 with a couple of wins. But 5 now? No way.
Quote from: fjm on March 09, 2025, 02:47:53 PMI agree. I think if we get a 6 seed (we probably won't anymore) we make the sweet 16
If we get an 8 seed, paired up with Florida or Houston in the 2nd round. We at least make the elite 8.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 11, 2025, 10:21:32 PMI saw that. Outlier at best. We need to win BET to even smell a 5.
I'm not being negative. Most have us at 7 right now...even a couple of reputable 8s. I'm hoping on a 6 with a couple of wins. But 5 now? No way.
We need to win the Xavier game to hold the line (no pun intended). I agree that 5, without a really good run in the BET, is quite a stretch. Cue Willie to ask for the umpteenth time "what happened to that #2 seed?".::)
Putting our seeding prospects in perspective, Colorado finished 3-17 in conference, NC State 5-15. Shaka will have us in the tourney
again while last year's opponents will be watching the tourney on TV.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2025, 10:47:28 PMWe need to win the Xavier game to hold the line (no pun intended). I agree that 5, without a really good run in the BET, is quite a stretch. Cue Willie to ask for the umpteenth time "what happened to that #2 seed?".::)
Putting our seeding prospects in perspective, Colorado finished 3-17 in conference, NC State 5-15. Shaka will have us in the tourney again while last year's opponents will be watching the tourney on TV.
Look, once you get two 2 seeds in a row you have to at least match that or get a 1 going forward or the team and program is failing.
On Bracket Matrix, we are the third 7. Every bracket they track has been updated at least through 3/10.
Eff it. Let's beat the crud outta X!
Quote from: MU82 on March 12, 2025, 01:27:56 AMOn Bracket Matrix, we are the third 7. Every bracket they track has been updated at least through 3/10.
Eff it. Let's beat the crud outta X!
Need some good sea mammal protein for our players
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1899947743843430649?t=weKjR0KRCR91Ndsn1RtsVw&s=19
No thanks on that draw
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 12, 2025, 05:31:37 PMhttps://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1899947743843430649?t=weKjR0KRCR91Ndsn1RtsVw&s=19
No thanks on that draw
Worried.
Lunardi's new bracket is completely ridiculous.
Hey yall, I havent looked at any bracketology since we were talking about Marquette's path to a #1. Uhhhh...... Are we possibly on the bubble? Like I get were in the top 25, but uhhhh, Ive been thinking we'd drop out a few times.
Edit: Naaaaah were good. #26 in kenpom
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 12, 2025, 08:24:24 PMHey yall, I havent looked at any bracketology since we were talking about Marquette's path to a #1. Uhhhh...... Are we possibly on the bubble? Like I get were in the top 25, but uhhhh, Ive been thinking we'd drop out a few times.
He has UNC as the last team in?? Oh....okay. What a great country where you can beat Notre Dame and get a bid.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 12, 2025, 08:26:37 PMHe has UNC as the last team in?? Oh....okay. What a great country where you can beat Notre Dame and get a bid.
UNC's AD is the chair of the selection committee. If UNC is the last team in, there will be complaints of corruption everywhere.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 13, 2025, 06:09:11 AMUNC's AD is the chair of the selection committee. If UNC is the last team in, there will be complaints of corruption everywhere.
Ohio State didn't do themselves any favors losing to Iowa last night.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 13, 2025, 06:09:11 AMUNC's AD is the chair of the selection committee. If UNC is the last team in, there will be complaints of corruption everywhere.
Rightfully so.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 13, 2025, 09:23:37 AMRightfully so.
Not really. There are processes in place that prevent him from participating in the discussions and decisions. Like there are every year. And BM, and a number of bracketologists, have them among the first four out, if not the first team out. Ohio State stumbled last night while UNC didn't.
But people love conspiracies....
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2025, 09:27:32 AMBut people love conspiracies....
Beats Hell over rationality. What's not to like?
Given what those around us on the S are doing, looks pretty much a 7 unless we win both
Quote from: 1SE on March 14, 2025, 01:01:21 AMGiven what those around us on the S are doing, looks pretty much a 7 unless we win both
Agree. Everyone we wanted to lose keeps winning. Dumb.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2025, 09:27:32 AMNot really. There are processes in place that prevent him from participating in the discussions and decisions. Like there are every year. And BM, and a number of bracketologists, have them among the first four out, if not the first team out. Ohio State stumbled last night while UNC didn't.
But people love conspiracies....
Because people are dumb
Lunardi has us as an 8 Seed today But
Marquette's WAB is 26.
Marquette's NET is 25.
Quad 1 6-8 Quad 2 7-1
Marquette should be a 6 or 7 Seed
Yea, but we don't play in the B1G so he doesn't care.
Quote from: MU_B on March 14, 2025, 12:34:00 PMYea, but we don't play in the B1G so he doesn't care.
Is it your assertion an ESPN bracketologist favors the Big Ten, a league they have no TV rights to?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2025, 12:32:36 PMLunardi has us as an 8 Seed today But
Marquette's WAB is 26.
Marquette's NET is 25.
Quad 1 6-8 Quad 2 7-1
Marquette should be a 6 or 7 Seed
In fairness, yesterdays win was the best win we have had since Creighton all the way back in January. Its not like beating a bubble team yesterday was going to erase the last 10 games and jump MU 2 seed lines. If I was a betting man I would say Marquette is a 6 seed even with a loss today. But a win could jump MU to a 4/5
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 14, 2025, 01:02:02 PMIn fairness, yesterdays win was the best win we have had since Creighton all the way back in January. Its not like beating a bubble team yesterday was going to erase the last 10 games and jump MU 2 seed lines. If I was a betting man I would say Marquette is a 6 seed even with a loss today. But a win could jump MU to a 4/5
One win isn't going to move MU up 2 seed lines.
The consensus seems to have MU as a 7 now.
It would be hard to move up even to a 5 with wins the next 2 nights, but that would depend on what other teams do.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 14, 2025, 01:02:02 PMIn fairness, yesterdays win was the best win we have had since Creighton all the way back in January. Its not like beating a bubble team yesterday was going to erase the last 10 games and jump MU 2 seed lines. If I was a betting man I would say Marquette is a 6 seed even with a loss today. But a win could jump MU to a 4/5
Bracketmatrix has us as the last 7.
I like where you have us better.
I often go to the Bracketville site run by Dave Ommen to get their take on Bracketology items. I have found the site to be pretty accurate the last few years.
Yesterday, Dave had MU as a 7 seed (number 27 on his seed list).
His report this morning commenting on today's key games had this to say about MU:
"Marquette may have kept itself above an 8 seed by rallying past Xavier on Friday (sic). A move back to the 6 seed line is still possible and begins against the Johnnies."
I think that's a fair summary.
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2025, 01:19:49 PMBracketmatrix has us as the last 7.
I like where you have us better.
Yes saw that on bracket matrix. Kindly mention to Lunardi where you feel Marquette should be if you get a chance
Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 01:47:53 PMI often go to the Bracketville site run by Dave Ommen to get their take on Bracketology items. I have found the site to be pretty accurate the last few years.
Yesterday, Dave had MU as a 7 seed (number 27 on his seed list).
His report this morning commenting on today's key games had this to say about MU:
"Marquette may have kept itself above an 8 seed by rallying past Xavier on Friday (sic). A move back to the 6 seed line is still possible and begins against the Johnnies."
I think that's a fair summary.
Everyone's definition of fair is different. But I agree with your post and agree with summaries also. Mention this to Lunardi too if you get a chance.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2025, 01:57:54 PMEveryone's definition of fair is different. But I agree with your post and agree with summaries also. Mention this to Lunardi too if you get a chance.
I see Lunardi's brackets because they are the most highly publicized, but I don't find them to be the most accurate.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 14, 2025, 01:54:48 PMYes saw that on bracket matrix. Kindly mention to Lunardi where you feel Marquette should be if you get a chance
Lunardi suxs
Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 02:33:29 PMI see Lunardi's brackets because they are the most highly publicized, but I don't find them to be the most accurate.
His final bracket will be good but his thoughts in between are almost completely useless. He's way too radical with moving teams around after single game results. Every team's resume needs to be reevaluated as a whole instead of just casually moving teams up and down the SCurve based on the vibe of the hour. No one can keep all of that info in their mental cache. I thought it was hilarious when Miller was asked in his press conference about the bubble and he said "sometimes you just want to reach through the screen" and made a grabbing gesture. Likely referring to Lunardi.
I feel like I heard in recent years the committee doesn't look as closely at the last 10 games as they used to. That said, it seems beneficial to us to have beaten 3 top big ten teams at the beginning of the season. That has me thinking we are closer to a 6 worst case 7 but no way an 8. Does that last 10 games thing hold true?
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 14, 2025, 02:49:37 PMI feel like I heard in recent years the committee doesn't look as closely at the last 10 games as they used to. That said, it seems beneficial to us to have beaten 3 top big ten teams at the beginning of the season. That has me thinking we are closer to a 6 worst case 7 but no way an 8. Does that last 10 games thing hold true?
Last 10 games used to be specifically cited as a measure looked at by the Committee.
That has been removed and doesn't appear on the "team sheets" the Committee members receive with data on each team.
So, theoretically all games count the same regardless of when they are played. But, there's no real way of knowing if the committee members might have recent trends in mind as they make subjective decisions about placing teams on the seed list.
There's no question that MU's early season wins are the strong part of their resume.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 14, 2025, 02:49:37 PMI feel like I heard in recent years the committee doesn't look as closely at the last 10 games as they used to. That said, it seems beneficial to us to have beaten 3 top big ten teams at the beginning of the season. That has me thinking we are closer to a 6 worst case 7 but no way an 8. Does that last 10 games thing hold true?
Depends. They do look at Marquette's last 10 games for sure but not other teams
I think 6 is more likely than 8 at this point. Would have expected an 8-9 game with a loss yesterday.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 14, 2025, 03:48:37 PMDepends. They do look at Marquette's last 10 games for sure but not other teams
I agree, Marquette fans should definitely be wearing Depends.
Geesus. This loss to number 6 in the country, St. John's just moved us to a 17 seed.
Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 03:16:56 PMLast 10 games used to be specifically cited as a measure looked at by the Committee.
That has been removed and doesn't appear on the "team sheets" the Committee members receive with data on each team.
So, theoretically all games count the same regardless of when they are played. But, there's no real way of knowing if the committee members might have recent trends in mind as they make subjective decisions about placing teams on the seed list.
There's no question that MU's early season wins are the strong part of their resume.
Too bad we don't play the the NCAA in December.
I don't understand this love for Illinois in the brackets. I can say the same thing about Gonzaga, Kansas, and St.Mary's. I think we wind up a 7.
Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 03:16:56 PMLast 10 games used to be specifically cited as a measure looked at by the Committee.
That has been removed and doesn't appear on the "team sheets" the Committee members receive with data on each team.
So, theoretically all games count the same regardless of when they are played. But, there's no real way of knowing if the committee members might have recent trends in mind as they make subjective decisions about placing teams on the seed list.
There's no question that MU's early season wins are the strong part of their resume.
[/quoteQuote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 03:16:56 PMLast 10 games used to be specifically cited as a measure looked at by the Committee.
That has been removed and doesn't appear on the "team sheets" the Committee members receive with data on each team.
So, theoretically all games count the same regardless of when they are played. But, there's no real way of knowing if the committee members might have recent trends in mind as they make subjective decisions about placing teams on the seed list.
There's no question that MU's early season wins are the strong part of their resume.
I think the only reason it has been changed is it benefits the power conferences.
It allows them to get teams in with poor conference records. Xavier a 13-7 Big East team gets left out, because of this.Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 03:16:56 PMLast 10 games used to be specifically cited as a measure looked at by the Committee.
That has been removed and doesn't appear on the "team sheets" the Committee members receive with data on each team.
So, theoretically all games count the same regardless of when they are played. But, there's no real way of knowing if the committee members might have recent trends in mind as they make subjective decisions about placing teams on the seed list.
There's no question that MU's early season wins are the strong part of their resume.
Xavier with a 13-7 conference record is going to be left out, because they are going to take poor teams with poor conference records from the SEC and Big 12.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 09:59:11 AMI don't understand this love for Illinois in the brackets. I can say the same thing about Gonzaga, Kansas, and St.Mary's. I think we wind up a 7.
Stats show Gonzaga is more of a 5. They are good based on crushing bad teams. Dumb
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 09:59:11 AMI don't understand this love for Illinois in the brackets. I can say the same thing about Gonzaga, Kansas, and St.Mary's. I think we wind up a 7.
Illinois can beat anyone and lose to anyone.
Lunardi had Marquette as a #8 Seed. Marquette is a #7 Seed.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 17, 2025, 04:32:55 PMLunardi had Marquette as a #8 Seed. Marquette is a #7 Seed.
Thanks.