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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 30, 2024, 10:13:08 AM
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It's hard not to continue to dwell on last night and replay the "what ifs" over and over again. So for me, even though it's 7 and a half months away, my thoughts turn toward next season.
The key will be does Kam come back. He'll go through the draft process as he should but I think it's more likely than not that he's back. Hopefully that's not just wishful thinking. His presence gives us a go-to scorer that we need.
From there, Jop and Stevie will be seniors. Neither will be a star but both can and should continue to improve, hopefully bringing along more consistency (especially in Jop's case).
Huge summers ahead for Chase and Ben. We all see the potential there - if they can both take big leaps that changes what the team can become.
And then a lot of questions. How much can Zaide and Tre improve? Zaide looks like he has an enormous ceiling. What can Hamilton and Al provide? Same with the incoming freshman...Parham and Owens seem to have a ton of offensive skill - how quickly can the develop defensively to get on the court?
Obviously no idea if we'll have any transfers out or if Shaka will use the portal.
Curious to read some other thoughts so I don't have to think about last night.
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First, you have to see what Kam, TK, and Oso decide to do.
Odds are 2/3 at least go Pro. If all 3 go pro, you have to bring in at least one person from the portal, and maybe you still bring in one from the portal regardless, with Sean Jones out until likely January.
Next, you have to react to any other potential transfers. If any of the younger players decide to enter the portal they have to be replaced from the portal. We can't go into next season with less than 12 on the roster, and although we typically do have 12 on the roster, with Sean Jones' injury, we might want to have a full 13 man roster this season.
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You posted this about a month too early. Many of your questions should be answered by then and until the final roster is formalized, no clue as to what is in store for next year. Should be a very interesting month to come.
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Yup. Can't project or worry about next season for a while.
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First, you have to see what Kam, TK, and Oso decide to do.
Odds are 2/3 at least go Pro. If all 3 go pro, you have to bring in at least one person from the portal, and maybe you still bring in one from the portal regardless, with Sean Jones out until likely January.
Next, you have to react to any other potential transfers. If any of the younger players decide to enter the portal they have to be replaced from the portal. We can't go into next season with less than 12 on the roster, and although we typically do have 12 on the roster, with Sean Jones' injury, we might want to have a full 13 man roster this season.
Whatever the case may be with the three you mentioned, I hope they decide and commit quickly to what they are doing. I think Shaka will hold all of their spots until the moment they are officially not returning which may cause us to miss out on some good replacement opportunities.
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Yup. Can't project or worry about next season for a while.
There's really no rule that we can't start talking about it already when we likely have a pretty good idea with the roster will look like, although that mostly hinges on Kam.
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I would very surprised if Shaka brings someone in from the transfer portal that he didn't heavily recruit out of HS. To that end, are there any former recruiting targets in the portal?
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We can talk all day. It is what we do.
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There's really no rule that we can't start talking about it already when we likely have a pretty good idea with the roster will look like, although that mostly hinges on Kam.
Yes, but not just Kam. Have no idea if any other current player leaves. Portal players in. Example: does Shaka redshirt Amadou to bring in experienced big? Many questions. Appreciate your thoughts and you were the first, but Muggsy now started another thread sort of in the identical topics, shocked.
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I’ll take a stab at it.
It clearly all depends on who leaves for the NBA and who returns.
Scenario A) Lets assume Oso, Tyler, Kam all leave- I’ll set that at extremely low probability but it’s possible.
— In this case, Shaka will have a lot of work to do starting this week. Marquette keeps things very close to the vest, but you’ll start seeing the program discussed with several high caliber guards/wings.
Losing Kam, Tyler, and SJ22 for at least half the season leaves you with Stevie and Tre at guard. You’ve got Chase and Zaide that can handle the ball some but they are 2/3s more than 1/2s.
This scenario becomes a big problem for Shaka- one that he doesn’t expect IMO because I’m sure he’s always thought Kam is coming back. The way he responded to Ben Steeles question to Kam about the NBA stock rising was telling. Part of the problem is that he likely won’t know for a while for certain, but in this case I expect 2-3 portal transfers, one that is a bonafide stud with 1 year remaining.
Scenario B) Oso and Tyler leave, Kam stays.
I’m not as certain as most scoopers on this, but I’ll go with the group think as this is the most likely scenario.
— In this case Kam becomes the star of the show. He’s our All BEPoY candidate and All American candidate. Backcourt of him and Stewie, with Jop, Chase, Ben and the others is sufficient to make the tourney.
I think in this case Shaka goes one of two ways. I still think he adds a piece for depth because of the SJ22 injury- maybe a role player shooter or combo guard? Maybe an upperclassman pg that can defend? Or maybe he goes out and tries to get another star to play alongside Kam and may the best man get the minutes when it comes to the others.
Scenario C) Oso leaves, Tyler and Kam return. Most consider pretty unlikely, but anything’s possible.
— Marquette is a top 5 program next season from the jump. This would probably lead to the highest expectations in my lifetime.
I would expect no additions, but wouldn’t be shocked with the addition of an elite 4/5 in the ilk of Grant Nelson to really make Marquette a bonafide title contender. This would mean a few transfers on the back end of the roster, and that’s ok.
Scenario D) Scenario B above (only Kam returns of the ‘Big 3’) and another player or two transfer.
— I won’t speculate on who, because I have no idea, but if we see someone transfer Shaka will go portalling in that position.
For example- Al or Caedin transfers, Shaka brings in a 5. Zaide or Jop transfer, brings in a 3/4.
Again, purely speculative. I think we would also see a 1/2 come in because of SJ22.
Last guess- this isn’t Shaka’s style, or hasn’t been thus far, but I would be a fan of bringing in a top portal guy regardless of position and fitting the parts around that. I don’t think Shaka will ever go “wild” in the portal, but I think he’s got the system in place and the trust from his team to do the right thing.
For example- you bring in a stud scoring PG and Stevie loses some minutes, as does Tre, but you have a more elite team that can make a run.
You bring in a stud 3/4 elite scorer and defender, like the Illini did with Shannon Jr, and Jop loses some minutes but your team is way better.
Worst case scenario a few guys have their feelings hurt, but at the end of the day winning cures everything and those athletes then have to decide if they want to stay and win at Marquette or go elsewhere to try to star in a different role. It’s just the nature of the beast.
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I’ll take a stab at it.
It clearly all depends on who leaves for the NBA and who returns.
Scenario A) Lets assume Oso, Tyler, Kam all leave- I’ll set that at extremely low probability but it’s possible.
— In this case, Shaka will have a lot of work to do starting this week. Marquette keeps things very close to the vest, but you’ll start seeing the program discussed with several high caliber guards/wings.
Losing Kam, Tyler, and SJ22 for at least half the season leaves you with Stevie and Tre at guard. You’ve got Chase and Zaide that can handle the ball some but they are 2/3s more than 1/2s.
This scenario becomes a big problem for Shaka- one that he doesn’t expect IMO because I’m sure he’s always thought Kam is coming back. The way he responded to Ben Steeles question to Kam about the NBA stock rising was telling. Part of the problem is that he likely won’t know for a while for certain, but in this case I expect 2-3 portal transfers, one that is a bonafide stud with 1 year remaining.
Scenario B) Oso and Tyler leave, Kam stays.
I’m not as certain as most scoopers on this, but I’ll go with the group think as this is the most likely scenario.
— In this case Kam becomes the star of the show. He’s our All BEPoY candidate and All American candidate. Backcourt of him and Stewie, with Jop, Chase, Ben and the others is sufficient to make the tourney.
I think in this case Shaka goes one of two ways. I still think he adds a piece for depth because of the SJ22 injury- maybe a role player shooter or combo guard? Maybe an upperclassman pg that can defend? Or maybe he goes out and tries to get another star to play alongside Kam and may the best man get the minutes when it comes to the others.
Scenario C) Oso leaves, Tyler and Kam return. Most consider pretty unlikely, but anything’s possible.
— Marquette is a top 5 program next season from the jump. This would probably lead to the highest expectations in my lifetime.
I would expect no additions, but wouldn’t be shocked with the addition of an elite 4/5 in the ilk of Grant Nelson to really make Marquette a bonafide title contender. This would mean a few transfers on the back end of the roster, and that’s ok.
Scenario D) Scenario B above (only Kam returns of the ‘Big 3’) and another player or two transfer.
— I won’t speculate on who, because I have no idea, but if we see someone transfer Shaka will go portalling in that position.
For example- Al or Caedin transfers, Shaka brings in a 5. Zaide or Jop transfer, brings in a 3/4.
Again, purely speculative. I think we would also see a 1/2 come in because of SJ22.
Last guess- this isn’t Shaka’s style, or hasn’t been thus far, but I would be a fan of bringing in a top portal guy regardless of position and fitting the parts around that. I don’t think Shaka will ever go “wild” in the portal, but I think he’s got the system in place and the trust from his team to do the right thing.
For example- you bring in a stud scoring PG and Stevie loses some minutes, as does Tre, but you have a more elite team that can make a run.
You bring in a stud 3/4 elite scorer and defender, like the Illini did with Shannon Jr, and Jop loses some minutes but your team is way better.
Worst case scenario a few guys have their feelings hurt, but at the end of the day winning cures everything and those athletes then have to decide if they want to stay and win at Marquette or go elsewhere to try to star in a different role. It’s just the nature of the beast.
Appreciate the in-depth thoughts.
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I would very surprised if Shaka brings someone in from the transfer portal that he didn't heavily recruit out of HS. To that end, are there any former recruiting targets in the portal?
I think Seth Trimble or Leon Bond would be a good natural fit should either enter the portal. Would be hyped for either. Highly doubt we make a big splash (ie Knecht, Grant Nelson, etc).
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I think Seth Trimble or Leon Bond would be a good natural fit should either enter the portal. Would be hyped for either. Highly doubt we make a big splash (ie Knecht, Grant Nelson, etc).
I’m assuming TK is gone. Trimble, a local Menomonee Falls product and relation to former UNC forward JP Tokoto, committed to Hubert Davis early so not sure how hard MU recruited him. But I agree with you, I would be excited to have him w/MU. A true PG w/experience will be a solid addition.
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I’ll take a stab at it.
It clearly all depends on who leaves for the NBA and who returns.
Scenario A) Lets assume Oso, Tyler, Kam all leave- I’ll set that at extremely low probability but it’s possible.
— In this case, Shaka will have a lot of work to do starting this week. Marquette keeps things very close to the vest, but you’ll start seeing the program discussed with several high caliber guards/wings.
Losing Kam, Tyler, and SJ22 for at least half the season leaves you with Stevie and Tre at guard. You’ve got Chase and Zaide that can handle the ball some but they are 2/3s more than 1/2s.
This scenario becomes a big problem for Shaka- one that he doesn’t expect IMO because I’m sure he’s always thought Kam is coming back. The way he responded to Ben Steeles question to Kam about the NBA stock rising was telling. Part of the problem is that he likely won’t know for a while for certain, but in this case I expect 2-3 portal transfers, one that is a bonafide stud with 1 year remaining.
Scenario B) Oso and Tyler leave, Kam stays.
I’m not as certain as most scoopers on this, but I’ll go with the group think as this is the most likely scenario.
— In this case Kam becomes the star of the show. He’s our All BEPoY candidate and All American candidate. Backcourt of him and Stewie, with Jop, Chase, Ben and the others is sufficient to make the tourney.
I think in this case Shaka goes one of two ways. I still think he adds a piece for depth because of the SJ22 injury- maybe a role player shooter or combo guard? Maybe an upperclassman pg that can defend? Or maybe he goes out and tries to get another star to play alongside Kam and may the best man get the minutes when it comes to the others.
Scenario C) Oso leaves, Tyler and Kam return. Most consider pretty unlikely, but anything’s possible.
— Marquette is a top 5 program next season from the jump. This would probably lead to the highest expectations in my lifetime.
I would expect no additions, but wouldn’t be shocked with the addition of an elite 4/5 in the ilk of Grant Nelson to really make Marquette a bonafide title contender. This would mean a few transfers on the back end of the roster, and that’s ok.
Scenario D) Scenario B above (only Kam returns of the ‘Big 3’) and another player or two transfer.
— I won’t speculate on who, because I have no idea, but if we see someone transfer Shaka will go portalling in that position.
For example- Al or Caedin transfers, Shaka brings in a 5. Zaide or Jop transfer, brings in a 3/4.
Again, purely speculative. I think we would also see a 1/2 come in because of SJ22.
Last guess- this isn’t Shaka’s style, or hasn’t been thus far, but I would be a fan of bringing in a top portal guy regardless of position and fitting the parts around that. I don’t think Shaka will ever go “wild” in the portal, but I think he’s got the system in place and the trust from his team to do the right thing.
For example- you bring in a stud scoring PG and Stevie loses some minutes, as does Tre, but you have a more elite team that can make a run.
You bring in a stud 3/4 elite scorer and defender, like the Illini did with Shannon Jr, and Jop loses some minutes but your team is way better.
Worst case scenario a few guys have their feelings hurt, but at the end of the day winning cures everything and those athletes then have to decide if they want to stay and win at Marquette or go elsewhere to try to star in a different role. It’s just the nature of the beast.
Any of this would require a massive change in Shaka's perspective to building a team.
First, any portal transfer that is capable of keeping a Big East team in contention for a title is going to come with some hefty NIL expectations. This is diametrically opposed to Shaka's publicly stated position on opposing paying new guys big NIL money ahead of the guys who have already paid their dues with MU.
Second, while not quite as explicitly stated, one of the tenets of a strong culture is a policy of not recruiting over your current players. Shaka wasn't willing to do it this year and recruit over Stevie, Gold, Jop or Chase with a potential NCAA championship on the line. It would be a huge shift in policy to start now.
Third, Shaka has publicly stated that he prefers to build his teams with overlooked guys out of HS and have them stay four years. Turning to the portal now is tantamount to an admission that his ability to find the "diamonds in the rough" and keep them four years isn't working. And this was always the most curious tenet of his culture, given that nearly every top performer he's had at Marquette was found out of HS by someone else. Oso, Kam, Stevie, and Lewis were found by Wojo. Omax, Kuath, Kolek and Morsell were transfers and by definition found out of HS by someone else.
I'd love for Shaka to accept a Hurley-like approach of blending lower-level "diamonds in the rough" (Karaban, ranked #118 out of HS) with top 50 recruits (Castle RCSI #9, Clingan RSCI #37) who you know aren't going to stick around 4 years, and round out with the best out of the portal (Newton from East Carolina, Spencer from Rutgers).
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You posted this about a month too early. Many of your questions should be answered by then and until the final roster is formalized, no clue as to what is in store for next year. Should be a very interesting month to come.
Correct. But you can't blame VBMG - thinking about next year makes it easier to not think about last night.
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I 100% expect Oso and Tyler to leave. Kam is more up in the air.
Does Kam test the waters like Justin Lewis and leave, even if he's just a fringe draft prospect?
Does Kam test waters, see a meteoric rise in his draft stock like O-Max, and stay in the draft?
Or does Kam eschew the draft process entirely like Oso did last year?
Then we have to see if anyone transfers out. Then see how Shaka addresses the roster.
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The newcomers need to make more of an immediate impact for 24-25, that's for sure. Ross showed flashes of potential. Perhaps he can have a Sacar-like trajectory at MU. Gold has been timid and lacks aggression. MU's not in a great spot with their big men from an experience and physicality standpoint.
Oso's late season collapse almost softens the blow of his departure. Tyler also got the best out of him a lot. Sad to say but Oso played his way out of the draft this past month.
I think Shaka has to grab a couple difference makers in the portal if he wants to compete in the NCAA's. More than 2 holes though as we need another PG, physical big man and shooter(s). It's hard to get too excited about the freshmen each year regardless of their HS performance.
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I use UConn as the benchmark. I had them as repeat champs from day 1. Hurley has it rolling and simply reloads. So…What will we have next season to stay with UConn? For me, that’s the question.
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I think we are going to see exactly what a Shaka recruit looks like next season. I think he was somewhat handcuffed on who he could bring in this year because the core was set. Time will tell on Zaide and Tre, but they were safe bets this season. Bringing in guys that could get frustrated with lack of PT and then hit the portal would not have been a wise move.
I think all three of the incoming guys are going to be the start of the true Shaka era at MU. Add Chase, Sean Jones and Ben and you have a good core.
That said, I expect to lose the big three and 1-2 other guys in the coming weeks. There likely will be space for a couple of portal guys.
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I use UConn as the benchmark. I had them as repeat champs from day 1. Hurley has it rolling and simply reloads. So…What will we have next season to stay with UConn? For me, that’s the question.
They are losing their top 5 or 6 players, which is more than we are. We should have a head start on them. Our incoming classes are very similar. It’ll be interesting to see what both programs do in the offseason to remain BE contenders next year. You can probably throw Creighton in there as well in terms of being in a similar position.
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I think we are going to see exactly what a Shaka recruit looks like next season. I think he was somewhat handcuffed on who he could bring in this year because the core was set. Time will tell on Zaide and Tre, but they were safe bets this season. Bringing in guys that could get frustrated with lack of PT and then hit the portal would not have been a wise move.
I think all three of the incoming guys are going to be the start of the true Shaka era at MU. Add Chase, Sean Jones and Ben and you have a good core.
That said, I expect to lose the big three and 1-2 other guys in the coming weeks. There likely will be space for a couple of portal guys.
Why do you think Kam goes?
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Players aside, I hope the full staff returns. Smith has done wonders with the offense, and the continuity of the other assistants with recruiting has been very strong.
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Vander
You go when you are young and stock is high. If, and I say if, MU were to struggle a bit next year it could hurt Kam in the draft. Plus, he will never see more open 3’s in college basketball.
While Oso went out on a downer, Kam knocked out of the park the past handful of weeks.
As for anyone that thinks Oso hurt himself badly, I disagree. The good Oso is what the smart guys like about him and they always think they can make the good happen.I do not think he will be needing any charity events or go fund me set up for him.
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Vander
You go when you are young and stock is high. If, and I say if, MU were to struggle a bit next year it could hurt Kam in the draft. Plus, he will never see more open 3’s in college basketball.
While Oso went out on a downer, Kam knocked out of the park the past handful of weeks.
As for anyone that thinks Oso hurt himself badly, I disagree. The good Oso is what the smart guys like about him and they always think they can make the good happen.I do not think he will be needing any charity events or go fund me set up for him.
Fair points regarding Kam. He’ll go through the process, obviously.
I don’t see a team promising to take him in the 1st. So is being a potential 2nd rounder enough? It certainly could be but I think there’s a solid chance he’s back.
Of course there’s a solid chance I’m completely wrong.
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Vander
I could be wrong, but I think you always take the first chance you get to make the league. The gamble of coming back seems high to me, but time will tell.
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All this talk of Kam being gone - you guys must have missed the press conference yesterday. He thanked Oso and Tyler for their contributions and setting the bar in terms of culture and said, "it's time for us to continue that culture into next year".
Kam is back.
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All this talk of Kam being gone - you guys must have missed the press conference yesterday. He thanked Oso and Tyler for their contributions and setting the bar in terms of culture and said, "it's time for us to continue that culture into next year".
Kam is back.
I noticed that as well but really don’t think it means anything, especially minutes after a brutal loss.
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I noticed that as well but really don’t think it means anything, especially minutes after a brutal loss.
Agreed - he’ll go through the NBA evaluation and see what kind of feedback he gets before making a decision.
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Think we will be about 5-6 in next years big east. Ben isn't a center. He needs to get tougher and get stronger hands. He lost alot of rebounds this year.
Stevie should practice about 100 3 pts shots a day in the summer.
Jolpin should practice dribbling, ft's. Getting quicker.
Tre has to practice outside shooting.
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Think we will be about 5-6 in next years big east. Ben isn't a center. He needs to get tougher and get stronger hands. He lost alot of rebounds this year.
Stevie should practice about 100 3 pts shots a day in the summer.
Jolpin should practice dribbling, ft's. Getting quicker.
Tre has to practice outside shooting.
I have us at 9 unless Stevie takes 200 3’s a day, then I have them at 8
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I use UConn as the benchmark. I had them as repeat champs from day 1. Hurley has it rolling and simply reloads. So…What will we have next season to stay with UConn? For me, that’s the question.
You don’t simply replace a Clingan - he is the ultimate game changer for them - they will be good once again, but will take a step back.
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You don’t simply replace a Clingan - he is the ultimate game changer for them - they will be good once again, but will take a step back.
UConn will revert back to their 2022-2023 level of play...
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Fair points regarding Kam. He’ll go through the process, obviously.
I don’t see a team promising to take him in the 1st. So is being a potential 2nd rounder enough? It certainly could be but I think there’s a solid chance he’s back.
Of course there’s a solid chance I’m completely wrong.
Kam’s current situation reminds me some of your moniker…Vander Blue. Wasn’t Vander Blue getting feedback of going late 1st or 2nd? Didn’t get drafted…ended up a G-League mvp, btw, but not more than a cup of coffee in the Association? Hopefully, if Kam goes through the advice process, said advice is sound. I want him back, of course, but understand if he goes pro if projected as a draft pick.
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UConn will revert back to their 2022-2023 level of play...
Only if they can bring Clingan off the bench.
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Creighton, Hall, X, UConn are all retooling, so is MU and St. John’s, league wide open for next year, MU adds any offensive player they will be fine.
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Kam’s current situation reminds me some of your moniker…Vander Blue. Wasn’t Vander Blue getting feedback of going late 1st or 2nd? Didn’t get drafted…ended up a G-League mvp, btw, but not more than a cup of coffee in the Association? Hopefully, if Kam goes through the advice process, said advice is sound. I want him back, of course, but understand if he goes pro if projected as a draft pick.
Vander was pretty much done with school regardless of the feedback. Most projected him to be undrafted.
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Kam’s current situation reminds me some of your moniker…Vander Blue. Wasn’t Vander Blue getting feedback of going late 1st or 2nd? Didn’t get drafted…ended up a G-League mvp, btw, but not more than a cup of coffee in the Association? Hopefully, if Kam goes through the advice process, said advice is sound. I want him back, of course, but understand if he goes pro if projected as a draft pick.
That feedback was from his own head. If all 3 leave, really hope they all get drafted. Would be a huge bummer if Kam left and went undrafted.
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I know Kam will make an educated decision with his family and Shaka based on the feedback he receives.
I wonder if how things have gone for Justin Lewis will have any impact. Probably not but it’s not that different of a situation.
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Vander
I could be wrong, but I think you always take the first chance you get to make the league. The gamble of coming back seems high to me, but time will tell.
I mean the bigger gamble could easily be going pro(hence the need for feed back)
TK is gone. Thats a lot of NIL money open for Kam. He can make a lot of money coming back. Hes guaranteed nothing if hes a 2nd rounder in money or opportunity. See Lewis, Justin(and he was right to go).
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All this talk of Kam being gone - you guys must have missed the press conference yesterday. He thanked Oso and Tyler for their contributions and setting the bar in terms of culture and said, "it's time for us to continue that culture into next year".
Kam is back.
I dont think it means everything. But I know his intention right now is to be back. If he gets some crazy guarantee or kills it in the draft process, sure he could go.
But right now its much more likely hes back.
Stevie made a comment in a interview I think with Fanta before the tourney alluding to it as well.
And I keep saying it. People really under estimate that friendship. Kam isnt gonna toss a professional career away for it. But hes also not gonna make an irrational decision to leave either.
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I mean the bigger gamble could easily be going pro(hence the need for feed back)
TK is gone. Thats a lot of NIL money open for Kam. He can make a lot of money coming back. Hes guaranteed nothing if hes a 2nd rounder in money or opportunity. See Lewis, Justin(and he was right to go).
Yep, and Justin going undrafted was a surprise. And then the terrible luck of tearing an ACL.
Agree completely regarding the NIL opportunities if Kam comes back both because he’d be the clear go-to guy on the team plus he’s just a really likable, fun dude.
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I should also add, since over the last two years people have tossed in the "if Kam doesnt transfer" possibility as well.
I can say with 100% certainty. There is a better chance he flat out doesnt even go through draft process and returns to MU then he transfers somehwere.
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They are losing their top 5 or 6 players, which is more than we are. We should have a head start on them. Our incoming classes are very similar. It’ll be interesting to see what both programs do in the offseason to remain BE contenders next year. You can probably throw Creighton in there as well in terms of being in a similar position.
Care to wager on which team fares better next year?
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Care to wager on which team fares better next year?
We know you'll be rooting for uconn
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Creighton, Hall, X, UConn are all retooling, so is MU and St. John’s, league wide open for next year, MU adds any offensive player they will be fine.
think they need to add 2 studs, not just any offensive player.
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think they need to add 2 studs, not just any offensive player.
Agreed. If Kam comes back, need 2 impact portal transfers. An experienced big and point guard. That would keeps us top 25 next year top 3 Big East.
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Agreed. If Kam comes back, need 2 impact portal transfers. An experienced big and point guard. That would keeps us top 25 next year top 3 Big East.
If Kam comes back I think they can be a top 25'ish team with no impact portal transfers.
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If Kam comes back I think they can be a top 25'ish team with no impact portal transfers.
Top 10 if Kam comeback and he adds a scorer
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A lot depends on T+ Z producing as Sophs and what we pick up out of the portal. I do expect good things out of Ben
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UConn will revert back to their 2022-2023 level of play...
Exactly. Shaka will reload next year.
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A lot depends on T+ Z producing as Sophs and what we pick up out of the portal. I do expect good things out of Ben
Z showed some shooting talent and athleticism, T showed me he needs lots of work.
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We know you'll be rooting for uconn
You are wrong. Have rooted for MU since about 55. But I am a realist, and right now UConn is boss. No excuses why MU cannot be.
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You are wrong. Have rooted for MU since about 55. But I am a realist, and right now UConn is boss. No excuses why MU cannot be.
You keep your Warriors pennant hidden in your basement. #fakefan
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You are wrong. Have rooted for MU since about 55. But I am a realist, and right now UConn is boss. No excuses why MU cannot be.
Coulda fooled me based on your posts.
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Fanta has us at 10 for next year
A bit optimistic
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Z showed some shooting talent and athleticism, T showed me he needs lots of work.
T was so much more functional than Z it wasn't close.
Marquette could play good offense with T on the court. They couldn't with Z on the court.
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Fanta has us at 10 for next year
A bit optimistic
Scoop in shambles
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Fanta has us at 10 for next year
A bit optimistic
But not a lot. Assuming Kam returns and no mass defections, a starting line up of Kam, Chase, Stevie, Joplin, and Gold is one that is legit top 15. Zaide and Tre improve, two out of the 4 of Caedin, Amadou, Parham and Owens step up, and suddenly it is a nine deep team with more size and plenty of versatility.
Sean is a wild card.
I have been saying for months that I wasn't scared of next year. Some fall off, but lots of potential, too.
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Coulda fooled me based on your posts.
So you read all 10000 plus to make that opinion.
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Yea, I see a step back, but that's always going to happen when you lose an AA and a player as unique as Oso. Returning 3 starters, including your top scorer and one of the early favorites for conference defensive player of the year with your two new starters being the former first two off the bench and their third year in the program is a very solid foundation. Depending on the rest of the non-conference schedule, I could easily see being top 25 come conference play.
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Fanta has us at 10 for next year
A bit optimistic
In the Big East?
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Scoop in shambles
I believe that's standard.
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But not a lot. Assuming Kam returns and no mass defections, a starting line up of Kam, Chase, Stevie, Joplin, and Gold is one that is legit top 15. Zaide and Tre improve, two out of the 4 of Caedin, Amadou, Parham and Owens step up, and suddenly it is a nine deep team with more size and plenty of versatility.
Sean is a wild card.
I have been saying for months that I wasn't scared of next year. Some fall off, but lots of potential, too.
Sean may not play next year, I heard his knee is not good
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Yes. He had surgery on it. Much like you.
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But not a lot. Assuming Kam returns and no mass defections, a starting line up of Kam, Chase, Stevie, Joplin, and Gold is one that is legit top 15. Zaide and Tre improve, two out of the 4 of Caedin, Amadou, Parham and Owens step up, and suddenly it is a nine deep team with more size and plenty of versatility.
Sean is a wild card.
I have been saying for months that I wasn't scared of next year. Some fall off, but lots of potential, too.
We should def be top 25. But I think quite a bit has to go right to be legit top 10-15ish.
Kam and Stevie we know what to expect.
I simply don’t see a way Jop magically becomes a more efficient player.
The potential for upperclassmen leaps is there for Ben and Chase but far from certain.
The frosh plus newcomers are big question marks.
I’m confident that enough breaks right that we are consistently ranked next year. But not consistently top 15
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Yes. He had surgery on it. Much like you.
Heard it is a lot worse than mine! Healing, good enough to see my grandson plays in NY2LA tourney
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But not a lot. Assuming Kam returns and no mass defections, a starting line up of Kam, Chase, Stevie, Joplin, and Gold is one that is legit top 15. Zaide and Tre improve, two out of the 4 of Caedin, Amadou, Parham and Owens step up, and suddenly it is a nine deep team with more size and plenty of versatility.
Sean is a wild card.
I have been saying for months that I wasn't scared of next year. Some fall off, but lots of potential, too.
I think you are right. Continuity will help again. Should get very good bumps in production from the upperclassmen. Plus I’m very optimistic about the skill and height coming in as freshman (probably too optimistic). Kam is a key for me though. Need that alpha dog scorer back.
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Next years team can be better with or without Kolek, but I do believe he will weigh the option of coming back vs. NBA. He has a decision to make as opposed to Oso who is gowne.
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Next years team can be better with or without Kolek, but I do believe he will weigh the option of coming back vs. NBA. He has a decision to make as opposed to Oso who is gowne.
Tyler is consistently being mocked higher than Oso as of now (this could certainly change if Oso has great workouts). So I'm curious why you think Tyler has more of a decision to make considering his age and how weak this draft is considered to be.
I'd LOVE for him to come back but I just don't see it.
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Is there a link to Fanta's top 25 somewhere?
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Next years team can be better with or without Kolek, but I do believe he will weigh the option of coming back vs. NBA. He has a decision to make as opposed to Oso who is gowne.
I'm in the minority (or maybe alone) but I like TK better as an NBA prospect than Oso.
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Tyler is consistently being mocked higher than Oso as of now (this could certainly change if Oso has great workouts). So I'm curious why you think Tyler has more of a decision to make considering his age and how weak this draft is considered to be.
I'd LOVE for him to come back but I just don't see it.
Not on Scoop. Oso will always be mocked at a higher rate.
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I'm in the minority (or maybe alone) but I like TK better as an NBA prospect than Oso.
I think that most would agree with you, but I think Oso is gone regardless. He has been pretty consistent with that. He is getting his MBA this summer and really has no reason to continue with school.
In other words, their decisions aren't just tied to where they go in the draft.
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Is there a link to Fanta's top 25 somewhere?
Guessing he will post it after the game tonight.
He went over his top 25 on the field of 68 show last night so I listened to it in podcast form.
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Tyler is consistently being mocked higher than Oso as of now (this could certainly change if Oso has great workouts). So I'm curious why you think Tyler has more of a decision to make considering his age and how weak this draft is considered to be.
I'd LOVE for him to come back but I just don't see it.
TK is gone
But the reason most still kick around the idea that he may return rather than Oso is because its been known that this year was always Oso last year where as TK has been pretty consistent over the last two season in at least kicking around the idea of using a 5th year
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TK is gone
But the reason most still kick around the idea that he may return rather than Oso is because its been known that this year was always Oso last year where as TK has been pretty consistent over the last two season in at least kicking around the idea of using a 5th year
Tyler is not gone. Will go through the NBA evaluation process like Omax did and then decide. Very fact-based and rational. Shaka will wait like he did for Justin and Omax.
Despite what the Scoop intelligencia says, if you are in the grey NBA grey area, there is big money to be made for an AA to return. Especially with the uncertainty with international players. Call it plan A and Plan A.1.
Now do I think he is gone? Yeah because I think he sticks in the NBA in the right PnR system.
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Tyler is not gone. Will go through the NBA evaluation process like Omax did and then decide. Very fact-based and rational. Shaka will wait like he did for Justin and Omax.
Despite what the Scoop intelligencia says, if you are in the grey NBA grey area, there is big money to be made for an AA to return. Especially with the uncertainty with international players. Call it plan A and Plan A.1.
Now do I think he is gone? Yeah because I think he sticks in the NBA in the right PnR system.
This year is a weaker class, more competition next year in the draft.
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🤦🏼♂️
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But not a lot. Assuming Kam returns and no mass defections, a starting line up of Kam, Chase, Stevie, Joplin, and Gold is one that is legit top 15. Zaide and Tre improve, two out of the 4 of Caedin, Amadou, Parham and Owens step up, and suddenly it is a nine deep team with more size and plenty of versatility.
Sean is a wild card.
I have been saying for months that I wasn't scared of next year. Some fall off, but lots of potential, too.
Just wildly optimistic. top 15 line up? You’re making some serious assumptions where multiple guys make SIGNIFICANT improvements over the summer.
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If Kam is back, which I am expecting, top 15 sounds about right to me. Who knows, maybe Shaka surprises us and we get a nice portal addition.
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Tyler is not gone. Will go through the NBA evaluation process like Omax did and then decide. Very fact-based and rational. Shaka will wait like he did for Justin and Omax.
Despite what the Scoop intelligencia says, if you are in the grey NBA grey area, there is big money to be made for an AA to return. Especially with the uncertainty with international players. Call it plan A and Plan A.1.
Now do I think he is gone? Yeah because I think he sticks in the NBA in the right PnR system.
No he gone.
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No he gone.
Maybe
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Just wildly optimistic. top 15 line up? You’re making some serious assumptions where multiple guys make SIGNIFICANT improvements over the summer.
I am. I trust Shaka, trust the process, and trust the players. Pre-NIL and instant eligibility, every season some would despair about who was leaving and some would look forward to the young guys stepping up. A reasonable guess can be made about which side I came down on. I am looking forward with optimism to see which young guys emerge.
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I would not bet money either way on TK coming back or not. Some variables in the decision due to NIL. Fortunately, Shaka has built a culture that kids might actually care about their legacy more than at other schools. If TK came back, he climbs the ladder of all time greats at a great basketball school. Crazier things have happened.
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https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/college-basketball-rankings-way-too-early-top-25-for-the-2024-25-season
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Fanta definitely not COLE
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Apparently, Fanta and I are simpatico.
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If Kam comes back, we could have the Big East's leading scorer and best perimeter defender. And I trust Shaka to continue to be able to develop players so that a couple/few of Ross, Gold, Lowery and Norman are substantially better next season.
I don't know about #10 because I don't know what other teams will look like, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're a lot better than many Scoopers think we'll be.
If Kam joins Kolek and Oso out the door ... never mind. At least until we see who Shaka brings in.
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The Athletic has MU at #14.
https://theathletic.com/5396158/2024/04/08/college-basketball-season-duke-gonzaga-rankings?source=user-shared-article
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I'll say it since no one else here will.
THERE IS NOT 1 PLAYER ON THE 2023/24 ROSTER THAT IS NBA READY. NOT 1.
At best the 3 that are most ready are a minimum of 1 year of college ball away and probably all 3 are G-League after next year.
If you truly think and believe through the lenses of your blue and gold colored glasses that this team has 3 NBA players on it then why don't they resemble a team like, I don't know, UCONN, who legitimately has NBA players on their roster?
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39895473/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25-rankings-2024-25-season
Good news. #11
Bad news. Has Sean Jones starting, which will not be happening.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39895473/mens-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25-rankings-2024-25-season
Good news. #11
Bad news. Has Sean Jones starting, which will not be happening.
B10 to FOX = No MSU in the Top 5?
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I'll say it since no one else here will.
THERE IS NOT 1 PLAYER ON THE 2023/24 ROSTER THAT IS NBA READY. NOT 1.
At best the 3 that are most ready are a minimum of 1 year of college ball away and probably all 3 are G-League after next year.
If you truly think and believe through the lenses of your blue and gold colored glasses that this team has 3 NBA players on it then why don't they resemble a team like, I don't know, UCONN, who legitimately has NBA players on their roster?
Not all NBA draftees are the same.
UCONN has 5 players in mock drafts, 2 in the top 10.
Colorado has 3 NBA players, we beat them.
Kentucky probably has 4, they lost in the first round.
and on and on.
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I'll say it since no one else here will.
THERE IS NOT 1 PLAYER ON THE 2023/24 ROSTER THAT IS NBA READY. NOT 1.
At best the 3 that are most ready are a minimum of 1 year of college ball away and probably all 3 are G-League after next year.
If you truly think and believe through the lenses of your blue and gold colored glasses that this team has 3 NBA players on it then why don't they resemble a team like, I don't know, UCONN, who legitimately has NBA players on their roster?
Cool. Pick us to finish 9th in the Big East then.
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People leaving/staying isn't going to matter if we can't fix our one major problem which was rebounding. The offense will likely be fine, but we will once again be undersized and crushed on the glass. If Shaka goes to the portal hopefully it is to fix issues that can't be fixed with the current roster.
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I'll say it since no one else here will.
THERE IS NOT 1 PLAYER ON THE 2023/24 ROSTER THAT IS NBA READY. NOT 1.
At best the 3 that are most ready are a minimum of 1 year of college ball away and probably all 3 are G-League after next year.
If you truly think and believe through the lenses of your blue and gold colored glasses that this team has 3 NBA players on it then why don't they resemble a team like, I don't know, UCONN, who legitimately has NBA players on their roster?
Hmmmmm...in that poll UConn is 4. Even though many here are predicting they are losing much of their talent.
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I am offended that these way too early polls aren't doom and gloom.
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Hmmmmm...in that poll UConn is 4. Even though many here are predicting they are losing much of their talent.
They're losing four starters, at least. Doesn't mean they won't reload like this year.
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Tyler is not gone. Will go through the NBA evaluation process like Omax did and then decide. Very fact-based and rational. Shaka will wait like he did for Justin and Omax.
Despite what the Scoop intelligencia says, if you are in the grey NBA grey area, there is big money to be made for an AA to return. Especially with the uncertainty with international players. Call it plan A and Plan A.1.
Now do I think he is gone? Yeah because I think he sticks in the NBA in the right PnR system.
I also think Tyler goes. But those indicating it's a settled debate are being premature. I side with Doc here.
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A compilation of many Way-Too-Early Top 25 lists.
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball-rankings-polls-duke-100730323.html
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A compilation of many Way-Too-Early Top 25 lists.
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball-rankings-polls-duke-100730323.html
DeCourcy hates us. Confirmed.
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DeCourcy hates us. Confirmed.
His list is hilarious. Villanova has basically no one and is ranked ahead of us.
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Next season could have been the Covid bonus year for Tyler, Oso, O-Max, and Justin. Wild!
As it is, we'll see how Shaka shapes the roster for next year. Very few reports linking Marquette to portal prospects, so I'm not expecting much of a shift in philosophy.
Off season player development will be the key. Chase and Ben need to make big leaps, and the seniors all need to take on increased responsibility. The rest of the roster needs to produce 2-3 players to provide depth.
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His list is hilarious. Villanova has basically no one and is ranked ahead of us.
Well, they have Kyle Neptune.
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People leaving/staying isn't going to matter if we can't fix our one major problem which was rebounding. The offense will likely be fine, but we will once again be undersized and crushed on the glass. If Shaka goes to the portal hopefully it is to fix issues that can't be fixed with the current roster.
This is a Shaka program. Wishing for strong rebounding is a waste of time.
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I'll say it since no one else here will.
THERE IS NOT 1 PLAYER ON THE 2023/24 ROSTER THAT IS NBA READY. NOT 1.
At best the 3 that are most ready are a minimum of 1 year of college ball away and probably all 3 are G-League after next year.
If you truly think and believe through the lenses of your blue and gold colored glasses that this team has 3 NBA players on it then why don't they resemble a team like, I don't know, UCONN, who legitimately has NBA players on their roster?
How many did Purdue have on the floor last night?
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Well, they have Kyle Neptune.
Can you imagine how high they'd be ranked without him? Easily #1 overall. Probably better than most NBA teams as well.
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Regarding next year...
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1687135810468900864?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw (https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1687135810468900864?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw)
"Caedin Hamilton - super excited about him with us and he will be here to start school. He’s not going on this trip with us cause literally just happened in the last week and super excited about him getting here 6 foot 8, 6 foot nine. He’s got an unbelievable wingspan he unlike probably anyone on our current roster. He seeks out and enjoys and relish his contact really big body and he loves physicality and he’s a guy right now.
Our plan is to redshirt him to develop him and for him at this time next year to be ready to be a major impact player on our team. He’s a guy junior year he barely played for his high school team Played barely got off the bench and then a senior year. He let his team to the state championship average the double double so his trajectory right now is one of the best things he has gone for going like this 🚀 on top of that he’s high character comes from a family that cares about the right things and he wants to be part of a team values relationships, our kind of guy."
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If Caedin can be more than a 10-12 mpg guy next year, I will be happy.
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I’d say Caedin plays 5 to 7 mins a game next year. Max.
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I’d say Caedin plays 5 to 7 mins a game next year. Max.
My hot take. Hamilton will lead us in rebounding
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I don't expect more than an Amadou type role for Hamilton next season
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There’s no harm in it, but Shaka is usually very rah-rah about his guys in general. My take is that if the staff thought Hamilton could have helped us win games last year, he wouldn’t have redshirted. Likely has a long way to go, but I’m optimistic.
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I don't expect more than an Amadou type role for Hamilton next season
Well, he did "shoot" 100% for the year. 52 total minutes, and 6-6 on dunks!?!?
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14 more minutes than freshman Oso.
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14 more minutes than freshman Oso.
And 230% more scoring.
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Good article in The Athletic about how UConn and Purdue - as well as the previous several national champions - have developed a blueprint for building title contenders in this NIL/transfer portal era.
https://theathletic.com/5401341/2024/04/09/uconn-national-title-purdue-roster-building-column/?
Shaka's philosophy is quite similar - recruit good players who want to work hard and get better, develop them, "re-recruit" them to keep them around for years. The main difference is that most of these teams have added a carefully selected player from the transfer portal, so it will be interesting to see if Shaka makes that happen.
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With the one (currently) available scholarship, Shaka needs to find a player good enough to make the team better without wanting a bag drop. Or without disrupting culture. So, an overlooked low major or DII PG with size and versatility. Preferably a one year rental.
Joe Chartouny comes to mind.
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With the one (currently) available scholarship, Shaka needs to find a player good enough to make the team better without wanting a bag drop. Or without disrupting culture. So, an overlooked low major or DII PG with size and versatility. Preferably a one year rental.
Joe Chartouny comes to mind.
Couldn't Dalton Knecht or Baylor Scheierman or even Cam Spencer come to mind?
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Would any of them come for free or close to it? Remember, Shaka was actually in on a back up center prior to season two until the player asked for a bag drop. Shaka then pivoted to Wrightsil.
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I don't know the definition of "bag drop" these days.
Is $50K-100K so little that it's a joke? $250K? $500K? $1M?
How much would Tyler Kolek - an OK 2-guard for an OK A-10 team - have "demanded" had NIL been a thing all the way back in 2021? For that matter, how big of a "bag" would Chartouney have been able to get?
How much would, say, Ben Gold get from another program if he declared himself a free agent?
How much would Shaka be willing to pay to not upset his culture?
I have confidence that our fellow Scoopers can speculate but - no offense to any of us - little confidence that any of us actually know answers to questions like these.
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With the one (currently) available scholarship, Shaka needs to find a player good enough to make the team better without wanting a bag drop. Or without disrupting culture. So, an overlooked low major or DII PG with size and versatility. Preferably a one year rental.
Joe Chartouny comes to mind.
Would a high-profile player with a large NIL value disrupt the culture?
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I don't know the definition of "bag drop" these days.
Is $50K-100K so little that it's a joke? $250K? $500K? $1M?
How much would Tyler Kolek - an OK 2-guard for an OK A-10 team - have "demanded" had NIL been a thing all the way back in 2021? For that matter, how big of a "bag" would Chartouney have been able to get?
How much would, say, Ben Gold get from another program if he declared himself a free agent?
How much would Shaka be willing to pay to not upset his culture?
I have confidence that our fellow Scoopers can speculate but - no offense to any of us - little confidence that any of us actually know answers to questions like these.
I'll have Herman ask Quentin Grimes to get to the bottom of these numbers for us. I'm confident Grimes knows people who could give him accurate figures.
Unless Rico is having lunch with Cal in Fayetteville first.
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Would a high-profile player with a large NIL value disrupt the culture?
Evidence so far Indicates we will never know.
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I'll have Herman ask Quentin Grimes to get to the bottom of these numbers for us. I'm confident Grimes knows people who could give him accurate figures.
Unless Rico is having lunch with Cal in Fayetteville first.
Talked to Cal last night. Things are pretty much done. Don’t have time to do lunch with him today. I’m in Augusta and Toby Wilt and I are having lunch on the grounds. I’ll see if what he thinks about the portal.
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Concensus seems to be
UConn, Top 5
MU, Top 15ish
Creighton, Top 25
What can we expect out of everyone else in the Big East?
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Concensus seems to be
UConn, Top 5
MU, Top 15ish
Creighton, Top 25
What can we expect out of everyone else in the Big East?
Xavier's roster has a lot of question marks due to a lot of departures, but if Freemantle and Jerome Hunter stay, they have a very solid core of those two, Desmond Claude, Swain and Trey Green. They also picked up 5th year player Marcus Foster from Furman (avg 17 pts, 8 rebs).
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Concensus seems to be
UConn, Top 5
MU, Top 15ish
Creighton, Top 25
What can we expect out of everyone else in the Big East?
The Hall really depends on Richmond, Dre Davis, and DAW if they all use their Covid year.
Butler has a lot of upper classman.
SJU who knows what Quick Rick is up to.
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The Hall really depends on Richmond, Dre Davis, and DAW if they all use their Covid year.
Butler has a lot of upper classman.
SJU who knows what Quick Rick is up to.
And as I typed this, Dre Davis went into the portal.
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I am pleased the national media appreciates MU. It will be difficult to continue to play the disrespect card.
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How many did Purdue have on the floor last night?
1 and that's 100% more than this year's MU team.
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1 and that's 100% more than this year's MU team.
lol
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1 and that's 100% more than this year's MU team.
Math. It's hard.
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I am not sure why some fans are assuming Sean Jones will be ready to contribute By January. He may be medically cleared to play by then, but you have to consider the time it takers for Sean to get his confidence back and feel fully comfortable with the knee. There are countless stories about athletes who took a long time to get mentally over serious knee injuries. I think you have to be prepared for Sean to either sit out next season or to come back in January but not be the player he was before the injury. I certainly hope he comes back fully recovered and ready to go by January, but I am not counting on it.
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I am not sure why some fans are assuming Sean Jones will be ready to contribute By January. He may be medically cleared to play by then, but you have to consider the time it takers for Sean to get his confidence back and feel fully comfortable with the knee. There are countless stories about athletes who took a long time to get mentally over serious knee injuries. I think you have to be prepared for Sean to either sit out next season or to come back in January but not be the player he was before the injury. I certainly hope he comes back fully recovered and ready to go by January, but I am not counting on it.
A redshirt for Sean could make some sense. They always have the option of pulling it.
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It will be difficult to continue to play the disrespect card.
Two straight nattys haven't stopped UConn from playing the disrespect card.
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Two straight nattys haven't stopped UConn from playing the disrespect card.
Or Georgia and Kirby Smart 2 years ago. That was unreal and pathetic. 1. it's Georgia, 2. SEC team, 3. defending national champs, 4. literally everyone was heaping praise on them (well deserved).
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Will Shaka fill that one open roster slot? I wouldn't mind seeing Leon Bond come home, always thought he would be a better fit on MUBB than as a Wahoo 8-)
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Will Shaka fill that one open roster slot? I wouldn't mind seeing Leon Bond come home, always thought he would be a better fit on MUBB than as a Wahoo 8-)
Not sure what this team needs is another wing, especially one who hasn't show he can shoot from the outside. Between Ross, Lowery and Owens, wing is going to be one of the team's deepest positions.
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Pakuni
Would you like 6-6 guy with a very solid frame?
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Pakuni
Would you like 6-6 guy with a very solid frame?
Probably not. Can he shoot?
Way more pressing needs next year, starting with someone who can provide a bit of presence in the post (Ben Gold, even if he takes a leap, isn't playing 36 minutes a night). Or, if Sean Jones really is out long-term, someone else who can help run the point.
We talk about Shaka developing players and not recruiting over people ... how do you sell a 6'6" guy with a solid frame to Ross, Lowery and Owens?
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Pakuni
Maybe the 6-6 guy is more of a bruiser and can rebound. There are players all around the world these days and you always have to be looking.
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If no one else else leaves, you can choose only one. IMO
1. PG
2. Experienced big.
There is no #3.
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Pakuni
Maybe the 6-6 guy is more of a bruiser and can rebound. There are players all around the world these days and you always have to be looking.
Where are this 6-6 bruiser's minutes coming from?
And how do you fill the team's other needs?
And what makes you think that 15 years into his head coaching career Shaka is now going to prioritize rebounding?
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Where are this 6-6 bruiser's minutes coming from?
And how do you fill the team's other needs?
And what makes you think that 15 years into his head coaching career Shaka is now going to prioritize rebounding?
So Julius Irving or Charles Barkley shows up you would not take them, really, even Shaka would consider them!
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So Julius Irving or Charles Barkley shows up you would not take them, really, even Shaka would consider them!
Pretty sure they don't have any eligibility remaining.
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They are all too old and used up their eligibility.
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So Julius Irving or Charles Barkley shows up you would not take them, really, even Shaka would consider them!
Maybe Washington Irving
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Pakuni
It simply was throwing out a “what if” situation. I am sure you are correct that MU will not land a wing of big in the portal. I am also sure you are correct that Shaka will never change his philosophy.
I have no idea who MU is looking at in the portal, but hope they are looking to upgrade the roster.
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Pakuni
It simply was throwing out a “what if” situation. I am sure you are correct that MU will not land a wing of big in the portal. I am also sure you are correct that Shaka will never change his philosophy.
I have no idea who MU is looking at in the portal, but hope they are looking to upgrade the roster.
Goose
Those are things I never wrote.
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1 and that's 100% more than this year's MU team.
Who?
Edit: I won’t wait for the predictable response of Edey and instead just address. First, Edey, Kolek and Oso are all mocked as 2nd round picks or maybe late first. Second, if you think Edey is more of an NBA fit than the other two I’m guessing you don’t watch much NBA.
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Maybe Washington Irving
I'm more interested in the future of a guy like Irving Berlin.
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I'm more interested in the future of a guy like Irving Berlin.
Berlin would take my breath away.
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Berlin would take my breath away.
Not 'No more words?'
Kam is staying. Trust the process.
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If no one else else leaves, you can choose only one. IMO
1. PG
2. Experienced big.
There is no #3.
I think #2 should be #1. Ben Gold as our only big???
Noted the comparisons some posters made re: Big Al's frosh minutes, scoring compared to Oso, but I'm not sold.
Hamilton likes contact, but that usually means quick fouls for a frosh. Portal, Shaka? Prob comes down to $$$.
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I think #2 should be #1. Ben Gold as our only big???
Noted the comparisons some posters made re: Big Al's frosh minutes, scoring compared to Oso, but I'm not sold.
Hamilton likes contact, but that usually means quick fouls for a frosh. Portal, Shaka? Prob comes down to $$$.
Ben Gold isn't our only big.
They have Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Royce Parham.
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Ben Gold isn't our only big.
They have Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Royce Parham.
Be still my beating heart.
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Be still my beating heart.
They are high on Caedin Hamilton from what I hear.
If they do add a big in the portal I wouldn't be surprised to see a transfer out.
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They are high on Caedin Hamilton from what I hear.
If they do add a big in the portal I wouldn't be surprised to see a transfer out.
who is Al Amadou for $200, Ken
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Since Shaka likes bigs who can pass, Bobby Avila is in the portal.
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They are high on Caedin Hamilton from what I hear.
If they do add a big in the portal I wouldn't be surprised to see a transfer out.
"That boy is going to be a real problem"
- Kam Jones on Caedin Hamilton
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"That boy is going to be a real problem"
- Kam Jones on Caedin Hamilton
…range guy? Let’s see what he does on the 1st tee
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Ben Gold isn't our only big.
They have Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Royce Parham.
Caedin, Al and Royce are all 6ft 9inch tall and 2 of them have a very slim build - I would not classify them as true big men. For me, I hope we get a true center, but I trust Shaka.
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Caedin, Al and Royce are all 6ft 9inch tall and 2 of them have a very slim build - I would not classify them as true big men. For me, I hope we get a true center, but I trust Shaka.
Oso was classified as 6'9 for his Fr-Jr years, but then 6'11 as a Sr.
Take that for what it is worth.
DJ Burns is listed as 6'9, and I'd say he plays like a true center.
Also, there aren't a whole lot of 'true' centers out there, and even fewer are over 6'11.
Not sure we need a true center since our offense doesn't really run through a big man down low.
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Oso was classified as 6'9 for his Fr-Jr years, but then 6'11 as a Sr.
Take that for what it is worth.
DJ Burns is listed as 6'9, and I'd say he plays like a true center.
Also, there aren't a whole lot of 'true' centers out there, and even fewer are over 6'11.
Not sure we need a true center since our offense doesn't really run through a big man down low.
That is fair. Shaka must think the world of Caedin.
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Oso was classified as 6'9 for his Fr-Jr years, but then 6'11 as a Sr.
Take that for what it is worth.
DJ Burns is listed as 6'9, and I'd say he plays like a true center.
Also, there aren't a whole lot of 'true' centers out there, and even fewer are over 6'11.
Not sure we need a true center since our offense doesn't really run through a big man down low.
DJ Burns is 275 pounds, at least. Not sure he's a good comp to Amadou, who's generously listed at 210 after being listed at 190 in high school, or Parham, also listed at 210.
I'm less worried about the lack of size on offense than I am on defense. UConn, Creighton, St. John's, Providence, etc., aren't going to stop landing "true" centers.
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DJ Burns is 275 pounds, at least. Not sure he's a good comp to Amadou, who's generously listed at 210 after being listed at 190 in high school, or Parham, also listed at 210.
I'm less worried about the lack of size on offense than I am on defense. UConn, Creighton, St. John's, Providence, etc., aren't going to stop landing "true" centers.
PC just landed a 7' 285 lb center. Doubt he has the footwork of someone like Burns, but that is a large body that is going to be have to be guarded by someone. On the flip-side, he's going to have to guard Ben out to the 3 point line.
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DJ Burns is 275 pounds, at least. Not sure he's a good comp to Amadou, who's generously listed at 210 after being listed at 190 in high school, or Parham, also listed at 210.
I'm less worried about the lack of size on offense than I am on defense. UConn, Creighton, St. John's, Providence, etc., aren't going to stop landing "true" centers.
And we won't stop beating them our way.
We'll find out how much they like Hamilton in the next few weeks. If they don't add a center I think it's safe to assume they are quite high on him.
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PC just landed a 7' 285 lb center. Doubt he has the footwork of someone like Burns, but that is a large body that is going to be have to be guarded by someone. On the flip-side, he's going to have to guard Ben out to the 3 point line.
PC also added a 7ft true freshman center on top of the 7ft 285 pound guy in the portal.
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DJ Burns is 275 pounds, at least. Not sure he's a good comp to Amadou, who's generously listed at 210 after being listed at 190 in high school, or Parham, also listed at 210.
I'm less worried about the lack of size on offense than I am on defense. UConn, Creighton, St. John's, Providence, etc., aren't going to stop landing "true" centers.
Caedin Hamilton was listed at 235 this year. He has a whole off season to bulk up. Plus you know, he might "shoot up" a couple of inches.
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PC also added a 7ft true freshman center on top of the 7ft 285 pound guy in the portal.
From Bully Ball to Bouncer Ball
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And we won't stop beating them our way.
You mean, with multiple players 6'10" and above on the roster?
OK.
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We need an experienced point guard and a center and you can add another consistent 3-point shooter as a minor need. None have to be all-american, just solid players who can get us solid minutes.
Since we can only add one, center seems to be the position that I would target. I have more of a belief that Tre can elevate his game more than any of the bigs since I saw a lot of growth from beginning of the year to the end of the year. Al didn't show me anything inside and for all the talk about Hamilton, bigs generally take a while to mature their game. We don't have an interior post player with experience. Gold is not an interior post player. A portal big who can defend and score down low is sorely lacking.
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We need an experienced point guard and a center and you can add another consistent 3-point shooter as a minor need. None have to be all-american, just solid players who can get us solid minutes.
Since we can only add one, center seems to be the position that I would target. I have more of a belief that Tre can elevate his game more than any of the bigs since I saw a lot of growth from beginning of the year to the end of the year. Al didn't show me anything inside and for all the talk about Hamilton, bigs generally take a while to mature their game. We don't have an interior post player with experience. Gold is not an interior post player. A portal big who can defend and score down low is sorely lacking.
I agree with you Papi.
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We'll see what happens, but if anyone is going to be departing, I don't think it's Amadou.
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Here is the transfer: Christ Essandoko SO- 7-0 260
Here is the high school commit: Erhunmwunse Oswin 7-0 215
They are different.
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Here is the transfer: Christ Essandoko SO- 7-0 260
Here is the high school commit: Erhunmwunse Oswin 7-0 215
They are different.
https://www.on3.com/db/oswin-erhunmwunse-236571/
I guess 7' = 6'-9"
He's more of an Al body type. The transfer is more of the Air Craft Carrier that this board is obsessed with.
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https://www.on3.com/db/oswin-erhunmwunse-236571/
I guess 7' = 6'-9"
He's more of an Al body type. The transfer is more of the Air Craft Carrier that this board is obsessed with.
If Oswin was 7' tall, he wouldn't be at Providence.
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https://www.on3.com/db/oswin-erhunmwunse-236571/
I guess 7' = 6'-9"
He's more of an Al body type. The transfer is more of the Air Craft Carrier that this board is obsessed with.
My bad - I had both tabs open and didn't copy and paste correctly - yes Oswin is 6 9.
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If Oswin was 7' tall, he wouldn't be at Providence.
Yep, going back to the discussion of "true" centers, he doesn't really fit the mold. Christ does, also not sure where biz pulled 260 lbs from, looking around I only see either 280 or 285.
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Yep, going back to the discussion of "true" centers, he doesn't really fit the mold. Christ does, also not sure where biz pulled 260 lbs from, looking around I only see either 280 or 285.
260 is from here: https://www.zagsblog.com/2022/04/07/providence-loses-commitment-from-three-star-center-christ-essandoko/
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260 is from here: https://www.zagsblog.com/2022/04/07/providence-loses-commitment-from-three-star-center-christ-essandoko/
That's 2 years old. Last year St. Joes listed him at 285.
https://sjuhawks.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/christ-essandoko/8729
Much more of a "true" center that was the norm until the mid-late 2000s where someone like Mac or Edey could be guaranteed a massive contract just to go out and try to guard Shaq.
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Yep, going back to the discussion of "true" centers, he doesn't really fit the mold. Christ does, also not sure where biz pulled 260 lbs from, looking around I only see either 280 or 285.
Actually, I consider Christ to be more of a point guard, with all of the distributing he did.
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If Oswin was 7' tall, he wouldn't be at Providence.
Isn’t Oswin a 2025 kid? Or did he reclassify? My only point being that if he is 2025, it’s way too early to worry about matching up with him.
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Actually, I consider Christ to be more of a point guard, with all of the distributing he did.
Biblical jokes are the holy grail of humor, aina?
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Actually, I consider Christ to be more of a point guard, with all of the distributing he did.
Heard he can play three positions.
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Heard he can play three positions.
Talk about a dad who sticks his nose in everybody’s business. Jesus!
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Caedin Hamilton was listed at 235 this year. He has a whole off season to bulk up. Plus you know, he might "shoot up" a couple of inches.
Hamilton was over 300 lbs not that long ago. They've been bulking him down not up
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Hamilton was over 300 lbs not that long ago. They've been bulking him down not up
He was cultivating mass, and is now just harvesting it!
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Actually, I consider Christ to be more of a point guard, with all of the distributing he did.
Huh. I would have thought the stigmata would have made his handles a little loose.
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Huh. I would have thought the stigmata would have made his handles a little loose.
Pretty wicked cross-over though
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Pretty wicked cross-over though
A bit full of himself, though, with that INRI tattoo
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One of his teammates didn't like how he was used, so he bailed on him.
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One of his teammates didn't like how he was used, so he bailed on him.
Judas, the original letter writer
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Judas, the original letter writer
I heard someone dropped a bag for him
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I heard someone dropped a bag for him
Satan sanctioned by the NCAA for tampering with regards to Judas
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Satan sanctioned by the NCAA for tampering with regards to Judas
Brings the term "show cause" to a whole new level.
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How do we feel about the outside shooting of this team?
Kam- great
Joplin- great at times
Gold- can be good
Ross- can be good
Lowery- ?
Norman- ?
Stevie- hit or miss
Do we need another knock down shooter more than anything?
Could use a PG, but we have options. Could use a Big, but we have options.
But what about that true shooter?
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Who cares about outside shooting, how are we at our mid-range jumpers. Oso's leaving a huge void in that area.
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How do we feel about the outside shooting of this team?
Kam- great
Joplin- great at times
Gold- can be good
Ross- can be good
Lowery- ?
Norman- ?
Stevie- hit or miss
Do we need another knock down shooter more than anything?
Could use a PG, but we have options. Could use a Big, but we have options.
But what about that true shooter?
Joplin is not close to great, I would say closer to average to poor. Lots of question marks next year, need each returning player shooting 500 shots a day to improve!
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How do we feel about the outside shooting of this team?
Kam- great
Joplin- great at times
Gold- can be good
Ross- can be good
Lowery- ?
Norman- ?
Stevie- hit or miss
Do we need another knock down shooter more than anything?
Could use a PG, but we have options. Could use a Big, but we have options.
But what about that true shooter?
Why worry about your feelings when there is cold hard data.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/269/table/game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/dir/desc
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How do we feel about the outside shooting of this team?
Kam- great
Joplin- great at times
Gold- can be good
Ross- can be good
Lowery- ?
Norman- ?
Stevie- hit or miss
Do we need another knock down shooter more than anything?
Could use a PG, but we have options. Could use a Big, but we have options.
But what about that true shooter?
Two birds. One stone. Come on down, Jonas Aidoo.
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Joplin is not close to great, I would say closer to average to poor. Lots of question marks next year, need each returning player shooting 500 shots a day to improve!
What? The last two years he's at 37.4% on over 5 attempts per game. He's good, and far closer to great than average.
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What? The last two years he's at 37.4% on over 5 attempts per game. He's good, and far closer to great than average.
I don’t think BCHoopster or GoldenEagles03 actually watch the games
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Joplin is not close to great, I would say closer to average to poor. Lots of question marks next year, need each returning player shooting 500 shots a day to improve!
I said he is great at times. Yes inconsistent, but he is one of their better outside weapons.
He shot what...38 or 39 percent from deep this year? How is that poor? Come on.
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You really couldn't be bothered to click on the link 4 posts above yours and answer your own question?
The correct answer is 35. Good, not great, concerning that it went down from his Sophomore season, and I'll save you from asking your next question, it was 39 then.
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I don’t think BCHoopster or GoldenEagles03 actually watch the games
Did you watch the last game, that’s all my memory remembers, O-7 from 3 and how about the free throws!
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Joplin is an elite outside shooter. The problem is he needs space and can’t really create it for himself off the dribble.
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You really couldn't be bothered to click on the link 4 posts above yours and answer your own question?
The correct answer is 35. Good, not great, concerning that it went down from his Sophomore season, and I'll save you from asking your next question, it was 39 then.
I scroll fast.
..but Jop also went 0-for in the final game against the Wolfpack that probably dropped him a whole % or 2. The looks he got last year were ideal in his bench role behind OMax. Not really concerning to see his numbers dip a bit as the volume increases.
I think it is completely fair to say he is a good shooter that can be great at times...AND he is 1 of 2 players that can truly create their own shot on this roster. It is he and Kam for the most part that have that skill.
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Joplin is an elite outside shooter. The problem is he needs space and can’t really create it for himself off the dribble.
Elite give me a break, average yes, Steve Novak is elite
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I said he is great at times. Yes inconsistent, but he is one of their better outside weapons.
He shot what...38 or 39 percent from deep this year? How is that poor? Come on.
35.5%.
I did the work for you. You just had to click the link.
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Joplin is both a very good shooter and a very poor shooter. He is one of the more inconsistent players around. If he steadies out a bit, I think he can be a good to great shooter.
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I like Jop and don’t like it when some Scoopers rip him. But he is not an “elite” shooter.
He’s pretty good from 3 most games, a threat the opponent has to account for. He’s occasionally very good, occasionally not good. Hopefully he’ll be back in the 40% range next season.
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I like Jop and don’t like it when some Scoopers rip him. But he is not an “elite” shooter.
He’s pretty good from 3 most games, a threat the opponent has to account for. He’s occasionally very good, occasionally not good. Hopefully he’ll be back in the 40% range next season.
As we all know, he is basically inconsistent. You can look at the Purdue game when he was out of mind and scored like 20 points in a half, then 0 against NCS, yes he made 2 layups.
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I do think we'll see a Jop next year who is more consistent with a more diversified game. I know he had a rough one vs. NC State, but he scored in a variety of ways against Uconn, WKU, and Colorado. Some that we'd rarely or never seen before. He was gaining a lot of confidence in other areas of his game before the NCST disaster.
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I do think we'll see a Jop next year who is more consistent with a more diversified game. I know he had a rough one vs. NC State, but he scored in a variety of ways against Uconn, WKU, and Colorado. Some that we'd rarely or never seen before. He was gaining a lot of confidence in other areas of his game before the NCST disaster.
I agree, if he works his ass off the next 6 months with good coaching he should be better
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All shooters are inconsistent…………you can find stretches where Steph Curry stunk for 3 or 4 games in a row.
If you watched Novak play in his state tournament loss as a high school senior you would have wondered why Crean recruited him.
Ps in our final 4 game with Kansas…..2 of the best shooters in MU history( Novak and Diener) combined to go 2-18 from the field which included a 1-10 performance from 3……and the line was shorter then.
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All shooters are inconsistent…………you can find stretches where Steph Curry stunk for 3 or 4 games in a row.
If you watched Novak play in his state tournament loss as a high school senior you would have wondered why Crean recruited him.
Ps in our final 4 game with Kansas…..2 of the best shooters in MU history( Novak and Diener) combined to go 2-18 from the field which included a 1-10 performance from 3……and the line was shorter then.
This is an outstanding post.
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Elite give me a break, average yes, Steve Novak is elite
Novak is elite on Facebook
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All shooters are inconsistent…………you can find stretches where Steph Curry stunk for 3 or 4 games in a row.
If you watched Novak play in his state tournament loss as a high school senior you would have wondered why Crean recruited him.
Ps in our final 4 game with Kansas…..2 of the best shooters in MU history( Novak and Diener) combined to go 2-18 from the field which included a 1-10 performance from 3……and the line was shorter then.
Exactly. Shooters, good and great, are streaky. That’s always Ben my impression. Bad shooters are consistent in that they miss a lot and consistently.
Jop will be fine. Seemed to be more athletic this year and willing to mix it up more and take in inside.
In my uneducated understanding: Needs to work on his handle in traffic and handle driving to the hoop. Needs to work on keeping the ball moving and looking for others. Ball can slow down in his hands at times and he can become too focused on the hoop looking for his shot and force when he could kick out. Quicker decisions and looking for others and dribbling. Hard stuff, I know.
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Exactly. Shooters, good and great, are streaky. That’s always Ben my impression. Bad shooters are consistent in that they miss a lot and consistently.
Jop will be fine. Seemed to be more athletic this year and willing to mix it up more and take in inside.
In my uneducated understanding: Needs to work on his handle in traffic and handle driving to the hoop. Needs to work on keeping the ball moving and looking for others. Ball can slow down in his hands at times and he can become too focused on the hoop looking for his shot and force when he could kick out. Quicker decisions and looking for others and dribbling. Hard stuff, I know.
Jolp will forever be a frustrating player for some people. And he is! Flashes at times and then stumbles at times. Some prefer to dwell on the negative, some on the positive
Truth is almost always in the middle. He’ll have a much bigger role next year and will need to be much more consistent. Depending on what happens with the roster, his improvement or lack thereof may be what determines Marquette’s ceiling in 2025.
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It pretty much determined Marquettes ceiling this season too.
Don’t love disparaging young kids that put a ton of effort into becoming good basketball players, but that might’ve been the worst game I’ve seen a Marquette player play in my life, at least on a big stage.
That was MUs ceiling- they could never survive and advance a game like that from Jop.
One of the things coach needs to get better with, because when you are an elite team it shouldn’t be that way, and it wasn’t during the season.
There are others that should be/are ready to get Jolp off the hook and help raise that ceiling.
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I think Jop puts it all together next season. The pieces are there
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I think Jop puts it all together next season. The pieces are there
Agree
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Jop advances to 14-15 a game. Ben goes to 10 and 5-6
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I think Jop puts it all together next season. The pieces are there
Jop's usage actually went down this season with more minutes as did most of his advanced numbers (except TO% <ducks>). His role was more defined his sophomore season off the bench but his decreased usage and efficiency points to a guy learning and adjusting to a new role. The inconsistency is not surprising in retrospect but there is a lot of room for growth.
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They all can grow and develop. If Joplin wasn't doing what the coaching staff wanted, he would sit more.
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They all can grow and develop. If Joplin wasn't doing what the coaching staff wanted, he would sit more.
There really wasn't an alternative off the bench like there will be next season. Some Scoopers felt it was a missed opportunity not to grab a transfer for the Omax role and the Jop numbers tend to point to that.
I think his biggest improvement was defense this past season. Certainly a key piece next season but the roster composition should also help him. Decreased usage AND efficiency this season confirms square peg, round hole.
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Don’t love disparaging young kids that put a ton of effort into becoming good basketball players, but that might’ve been the worst game I’ve seen a Marquette player play in my life, at least on a big stage.
That was MUs ceiling- they could never survive and advance a game like that from Jop.
Our "best backcourt in the nation" combined to go 4-17 from 3, our two other guards combined to go 0-6, our all-conference center looked lost offensively just about all game, and we got nothing from our backup 4/5.
But yes, Jop cost us the game.
Also, you might want to check out what Travis Diener did on an even bigger stage against Kansas ... not that he was important to the 2003 team or anything. Maybe that one was so ugly you erased it from your memory!
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Our "best backcourt in the nation" combined to go 4-17 from 3, our two other guards combined to go 0-6, our all-conference center looked lost offensively just about all game, and we got nothing from our backup 4/5.
But yes, Jop cost us the game.
Also, you might want to check out what Travis Diener did on an even bigger stage against Kansas ... not that he was important to the 2003 team or anything. Maybe that one was so ugly you erased it from your memory!
It was a collective effort of failure in the NC State game
Also, sharpshooting Novak was 0-5 from 3 in that Final 4 game, 1-7 from overall
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And we survived plenty of bad games against good teams from Jop. He was 1/6 at Illinois and we won. 1/5 on a neutral against a healthy Kansas and won. 2/8 against Nova without Kolek in the BET and won. 4/14 against Providence without Kolek in the BET and won.
He was, at best, our fifth most important player. He was certainly not our ceiling. We could’ve easily won the NCState game with his performance if everyone else played a C- level game. Unfortunately just about everyone played an F level game.
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I do think we'll see a Jop next year who is more consistent with a more diversified game. I know he had a rough one vs. NC State, but he scored in a variety of ways against Uconn, WKU, and Colorado. Some that we'd rarely or never seen before. He was gaining a lot of confidence in other areas of his game before the NCST disaster.
I agree with this analysis. I'll add Jop has been one of the more frustrating players I recall in recent memory as he seems to be either on his A-game, or he turns in a complete dud. He improved a ton defensively over the course of the year. His athleticism has improved. One more summer of hard work, and I do think he will take a big step up for us next year.
It's unfortunate he had the rough game against NC State, yet he was pretty clutch against Colorado and very instrumental in our advancing out of that round. So you take the Colorado game and NC State game, and that in some way summarizes how/why Jop is so frustrating. Level things out and Jop will be fine. The kid worked his ass of last summer and no reason to think he won't work just as hard this upcoming off season to further improve.
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Jop advances to 14-15 a game. Ben goes to 10 and 5-6
We are not going to be good, if out center only averages 5 rebounds a game.
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We are not going to be good, if out center only averages 5 rebounds a game.
Why
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Our "best backcourt in the nation" combined to go 4-17 from 3, our two other guards combined to go 0-6, our all-conference center looked lost offensively just about all game, and we got nothing from our backup 4/5.
But yes, Jop cost us the game.
Also, you might want to check out what Travis Diener did on an even bigger stage against Kansas ... not that he was important to the 2003 team or anything. Maybe that one was so ugly you erased it from your memory!
NCST shut down the rim and were physical with our guards. The Shaknada offense is very efficient and a joy to watch, but when it's not working (the sample size is UConn, Purdue, Wisconsin, MSU, etc), it's not built to be versatile enough. If you don't stress rebounding of those misses or can't threaten the mid-range (not all mid range shots are created the same, to cut off Keyboard Karen's), you lose ugly.
That said, exceptional year from the team and coaches. The roster and philosophy is what it is which is Top 15z. Shaka has moved MU from Point A to Point B. Excited to see Point C.
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There really wasn't an alternative off the bench like there will be next season. Some Scoopers felt it was a missed opportunity not to grab a transfer for the Omax role and the Jop numbers tend to point to that.
I think his biggest improvement was defense this past season. Certainly a key piece next season but the roster composition should also help him. Decreased usage AND efficiency this season confirms square peg, round hole.
I don’t think it confirms that at all. It confirms a guy being asked to do things he’d never done before took some time to adjust, and 30 games is not a lot to figure it out. I’m not sure what his advanced numbers will look like next year, but I’m convinced he’ll have his best season yet. And this was his best season thus far, even if the advanced stats were better last year
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Also, sharpshooting Novak was 0-5 from 3 in that Final 4 game, 1-7 from overall
So Diener and Novak were a combined 2-for-18 (1-for-10 from 3), and Diener chipped in 8 (!!) turnovers in a FF that Kansas led about 862-0 after 3 minutes.
But Jop's game against NCSU was the worst ever by a Marquette player on a big stage, and he kept us from winning the game.
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They all can grow and develop. If Joplin wasn't doing what the coaching staff wanted, he would sit more.
OR…. Alternative thought, they didn’t have any better options on the bench.
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Jop advances to 14-15 a game. Ben goes to 10 and 5-6
If Jop hits those numbers he will have to become a ball hog
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The season can’t come soon enough
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If Jop hits those numbers he will have to become a ball hog
😂
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If Jop hits those numbers he will have to become a ball hog
Or hit one more 3 and one more free throw per game.
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Or hit one more 3 and one more free throw per game.
Based on his last game and several others that is a tall ask.
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Based on his good games, it isn't.
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I probably blacked the second half of that FF game out.
I’m glad you guys found a few examples of games as bad or worse on a big stage.
Due to those efforts I will redact my statement to “one of the worst games played by a single MU player on a big stage.”
My statement in no way changes the fact that others had a bad game too. As we all know, several did.
It’s ok to admit the above and still hope the Jop has a great season in 24/25
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Yes, DrV, I admit that Jop was one of 7 Marquette players who either couldn’t make shots, struggled offensively or both vs NCSU.
And yes, I hope he (and all other MU players) is (are) great in 24/25.
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If Jop hits those numbers he will have to become a ball hog
Learned men in the future will found universities to parse your thoughts to their deepest depths, Dung Willie
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Learned men in the future will found universities to parse your thoughts to their deepest depths, Dung Willie
Waiting for Ramsey news
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Based on his good games, it isn't.
If you are basing it on his good games why was he not 1 and 1 better for years average. Jop is what he is. He will not carry us to the promised land. And you know it.
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I stick with my 14-15 mpg prediction. I agree with the consensus preseason rankings. Can't wait for next season. Should be a lot of fun. Looking forward to watching the young guys develop. Old school adventure.
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Jop advances to 14-15 a game.
Reasonable.
If Jop advances because of better efficiency - good news.
If it’s because of more usage with similar efficiency - bad news.
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Reasonable.
If Jop advances because of better efficiency - good news.
If it’s because of more usage with similar efficiency - bad news.
Hope and pray for the former over the latter
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If you are basing it on his good games why was he not 1 and 1 better for years average. Jop is what he is. He will not carry us to the promised land. And you know it.
Uncommon sagacity, Dung Willie
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Uncommon sagacity, Dung Willie
Indeed