In the sweet 16 this year, there have already been 3 upsets.
Arizona: Shot 5-28 from 3, with Caleb Love going 0-9, and Pelle Larson going 1-6
UNC: Kept it close (because as a team shot fine), but RJ Davis went 0-9 from 3
MU: 4-31 from 3.
One thing is certain in the NCAA tournament. If you go cold from 3, and/or your shotmakers can't hit open looks, you will be going home.
Like Arizona, and like RJ Davis, we couldn't hit open 3's when we needed to. Sad way to go out, but proud of this team.
Sums it up. Even just a mediocre shooting night and it's a different story.
That's all great. But if Marquette taught us anything this year, it's that they *should* have been a close 2s team. Then, and only then, the 3s may fall
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 29, 2024, 09:44:15 PM
That's all great. But if Marquette taught us anything this year, it's that they *should* have been a close 2s team. Then, and only then, the 3s may fall
You are not wrong, but NC State did a good job of taking away our driving lanes and gave us a lot of open 3's. They gambled on us having a historically poor shooting night.
It worked. We should have probably tried to find more opportunities attacking the rim, but they really did do a good job of taking that away.
Lack of a big man who could score around the basket when the 3s were not going down was what hurt this team. We only had Oso and when he hit a rough patch we had no one else.
They could pack the lane because no worries about our 3 pt shooting
Quote from: forgetful on March 29, 2024, 10:08:04 PM
You are not wrong, but NC State did a good job of taking away our driving lanes and gave us a lot of open 3's. They gambled on us having a historically poor shooting night.
I used to have a coworker that repeatedly said "I don't disagree", just because it pained him so much to just agree.
All of you are correct but we were out of sorts and mentally lost our poise. Not a lot of flow in our offense, and a lot less flow once we got frustrated by missing open looks. The stretch in the 2H where we basically couldn't score, despite having about 10 chances to get the game within range, is what really frustrated me.
It's the same for all four teams tonight, but man those rims are super tight in Dallas. Of the four regionals, it's not even close on both FG and 3 point FG percentages, Dallas is the worst.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2024, 10:30:50 PM
All of you are correct but we were out of sorts and mentally lost our poise. Not a lot of flow in our offense, and a lot less flow once we got frustrated by missing open looks. The stretch in the 2H where we basically couldn't score, despite having about 10 chances to get the game within range, is what really frustrated me.
I thought NC State did a good job of clogging up the lane. We couldn't get anything going on the inside. We make 3s when we penetrate and dish out. NC State was able to disrupt that - when we dished out a lot of times the passes weren't as crisp or as well positioned as they have been in the past. Have to give NC State a little bit of credit. The Wolfpack are on a roll. I don't think they'll make the FF but I wouldn't be too surprised if they make it.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 29, 2024, 10:32:01 PM
It's the same for all four teams tonight, but man those rims are super tight in Dallas. Of the four regionals, it's not even close on both FG and 3 point FG percentages, Dallas is the worst.
Feel like I'm disagreeing with you lately dish. But maybe just the defensive quad? Rims and balls are standard enough, unless there is foul play??
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2024, 10:36:39 PM
I thought NC State did a good job of clogging up the lane. We couldn't get anything going on the inside. We make 3s when we penetrate and dish out. NC State was able to disrupt that - when we dished out a lot of times the passes weren't as crisp or as well positioned as they have been in the past. Have to give NC State a little bit of credit. The Wolfpack are on a roll. I don't think they'll make the FF but I wouldn't be too surprised if they make it.
Judge,
They did do a good job of packing the paint. But we didn't exercise any patience and played with hesitation once we started to go brick city. There were very few Tyko /Oso pick and rolls or using Oso at all vs Butns to initiate offense.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 29, 2024, 10:37:30 PM
Feel like I'm disagreeing with you lately dish. But maybe just the defensive quad? Rims and balls are standard enough, unless there is foul play??
The NCAA has no standard for inflation of the ball or the tightness of the rim.
There's definitely college hoops people on Twitter also questioning the Dallas rims.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 29, 2024, 10:43:46 PM
The NCAA has no standard for inflation of the ball or the tightness of the rim.
There's definitely college hoops people on Twitter also questioning the Dallas rims.
Hah. There are standards. Though I agree tolerances are probably too loose.
Nonetheless.... It's a non story
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 29, 2024, 10:46:15 PM
Hah. There are standards. Though I agree tolerances are probably too loose.
Nonetheless.... It's a non story
Unle$$ you notice a trend in Dalla$ and $ee the fir$t half under 60.5 ca$h ea$ily in the night cap.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 29, 2024, 10:54:38 PM
Unle$$ you notice a trend in Dalla$ and $ee the fir$t half under 60.5 ca$h ea$ily in the night cap.
Ok
4-31. Don't over think it.
https://twitter.com/Sam_Federman/status/1773893980742090866
Compilation of the 27 3s...
Quote from: MUDPT on March 30, 2024, 05:56:53 AM
https://twitter.com/Sam_Federman/status/1773893980742090866
Compilation of the 27 3s...
Watching how many of those are wide wide open is crazy. Many of those shots are ones where they would normally shoot 60+%, uncontested catch and shoot.
To miss that many of them is just insane.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 30, 2024, 05:56:53 AM
https://twitter.com/Sam_Federman/status/1773893980742090866
Compilation of the 27 3s...
Sort of heartbreaking to watch. Got the shots we wanted.
Plenty of bricks in there, but more in-and-out than I recalled. I truly believe if Jop and Kam each saw one fall early in the game, MU may have won big.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 11:00:34 AM
Sort of heartbreaking to watch. Got the shots we wanted.
Why would anyone watch that? What is the point? It was plenty brutal the first time
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 30, 2024, 11:09:26 AM
Why would anyone watch that? What is the point? It was plenty brutal the first time
Seems I love this team too much and film is all were gonna get for the rest of this season
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 30, 2024, 11:09:26 AM
Why would anyone watch that? What is the point? It was plenty brutal the first time
Sports fandom is a form of masochism.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 30, 2024, 11:11:10 AM
Seems I love this team too much and film is all were gonna get for the rest of this season
I quoted you but meant it to everyone who is willing to watch that again. I'm not sure the dollar amount needed for me to watch it again.
I have already discarded it.
Great. Another thread about random shooting.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2024, 11:34:55 AM
Great. Another thread about random shooting.
Belongs in the dentist crime blog.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 30, 2024, 11:08:52 AM
Plenty of bricks in there, but more in-and-out than I recalled. I truly believe if Jop and Kam each saw one fall early in the game, MU may have won big.
That first great open look from Kam to open the second half that went in and out spelled doom.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 30, 2024, 11:44:24 AM
That first great open look from Kam to open the second half that went in and out spelled doom.
The Gold one was the one that hurt. Huge swing there. And almost all the way down
SQ graded the game MU 79, NC St 64.
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Can't shoot!!!
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 29, 2024, 10:43:46 PM
The NCAA has no standard for inflation of the ball or the tightness of the rim.
There's definitely college hoops people on Twitter also questioning the Dallas rims.
https://twitter.com/TheDukeNation/status/1773906762262802810 (https://twitter.com/TheDukeNation/status/1773906762262802810)
Teams in Dallas have shot 26.6% from 3 and 57.8% from the line.
Not just Marquette.
This guy has several videos on the matter.
https://x.com/bobbypfor3?s=21&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: junglecat022 on March 30, 2024, 01:23:57 PM
https://twitter.com/TheDukeNation/status/1773906762262802810 (https://twitter.com/TheDukeNation/status/1773906762262802810)
Teams in Dallas have shot 26.6% from 3 and 57.8% from the line.
I noticed it during the game. I think the ball had too much air and the rims were really tight. It's the same for both teams, so it's fair at the end of the day, but I do think both factors contributed to the poor shooting yesterday in Dallas. I shoot regularly at my local athletic club and track all of my percentages for threes and free throws. When a friend recently commented my ball was a little flat, I put more air in it and my percentages have dropped almost 10% since. No excuse, but it makes a big difference I think.
There were some weird bounces of rims you normally don't see in games, and it occurred multiple times in this game. It was weird.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 30, 2024, 01:43:16 PM
There were some weird bounces of rims you normally don't see in games, and it occurred multiple times in this game. It was weird.
Oso's near rebound that resulted in an NC State put back comes to mind. Or how about the ball that rocketed off the rim so hard Oso couldn't get his hands up and had his face split open.
Quote from: junglecat022 on March 30, 2024, 01:23:57 PM
https://twitter.com/TheDukeNation/status/1773906762262802810 (https://twitter.com/TheDukeNation/status/1773906762262802810)
Teams in Dallas have shot 26.6% from 3 and 57.8% from the line.
Sure, but teams not named Marquette shot 35.4% from 3.
Both Houston and NC State shot 34.8% on the season. Duke shot 38%.
Quote from: forgetful on March 29, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
In the sweet 16 this year, there have already been 3 upsets.
Arizona: Shot 5-28 from 3, with Caleb Love going 0-9, and Pelle Larson going 1-6
UNC: Kept it close (because as a team shot fine), but RJ Davis went 0-9 from 3
MU: 4-31 from 3.
One thing is certain in the NCAA tournament. If you go cold from 3, and/or your shotmakers can't hit open looks, you will be going home.
Like Arizona, and like RJ Davis, we couldn't hit open 3's when we needed to. Sad way to go out, but proud of this team.
I think deep down, we all 'knew' how the season would end - on a bad 3 night. We have seen it many times this year and we weren't gonna survive against a decent team.
Conversely, I heard one analyst whom I respect say that MU had little chance to beat NCState. His reasoning? You can get practice level open 3s against our defense at will. The constant switching means too many guys out of position to defend against 3s.
Jockey
Aside from winning the NC, anyone that watched the games knew a bad shooting night would likely end the season. All of the fans that belly ached in January during the slump had a 97% chance of being right. How badly they shot was a surprise, not how they lost.
The problem was all our shooters were cold in the same game. And Oso on offense was a non-factor. That's a tough deal
Quote from: Goose on March 30, 2024, 03:40:49 PM
Jockey
Aside from winning the NC, anyone that watched the games knew a bad shooting night would likely end the season. All of the fans that belly ached in January during the slump had a 97% chance of being right. How badly they shot was a surprise, not how they lost.
Goose,
We were good enough to win on a bad shooting night - 25% from 3 and we almost certainly win the game. But we saw this a couple times this year where they were horrible rather than just bad. I should have used that word in my post.
Jockey,
Yes, shoot 25% and they likely win. That was a fxxking disaster last night.
Quote from: Goose on March 30, 2024, 03:40:49 PM
Jockey
Aside from winning the NC, anyone that watched the games knew a bad shooting night would likely end the season. All of the fans that belly ached in January during the slump had a 97% chance of being right. How badly they shot was a surprise, not how they lost.
MU was not a great shooting trey team but has been consistent since January (versus first part of season). Killer game s right. Unfortunate but credit must go to NCST too.
Dr. B
Time for the program to continue to get better.
Quote from: Goose on March 30, 2024, 04:23:01 PM
Dr. B
Time for the program to continue to get better.
I agree. Success is not linear. The culture has been set and will be carried on next year by KAM, Stevie, Zaide, Ben, etc.
I expect us to be a solid offensive team next year, and if the inside defense develops, we will be very good.