1. Two teams very familiar with the other's offense, very intent on taking away what the other wanted to do.
2. Villanova's focus was to take away the lane and the driving lanes, as well as to slow the game on both ends.
3. Oso looked groggy most of the night. Lost on offense.
4. MU got to the rim in the second half.
5. Stevie is my favorite player on this team. When nothing else was working, Stevie was.
6. Chase needs to be more assertive at the rim.
7. Kolek's absence was felt in the difficulty in generating motion against a set defense.
8. I wanted more Gold, less Joplin in the second half.
9. MU played good defense all night. Phenomenal, except for Dixon
10. And all is forgiven and forgotten. Great finish.
Ack.
Premature celebration
Alternate universe
Cmon Stevie
Oso led when it mattered.
I'm glad we got a test without Tyko and passed again.
Neptune as coach of Nova is very good for MU.
Nova players threw Stevie to the ground like 12 times with no call.
Neptune basically attacked the ref at the baseline after a no call on a nova basket.
F'Nova. Have fun in the NIT.
That was a big east game from 1978.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 14, 2024, 11:19:16 PM
Nova players threw Stevie to the ground like 12 times with no call.
Neptune basically attacked the ref at the baseline after a no call on a nova basket.
F'Nova. Have fun in the NIT.
Exactly. They've ended our season enough times.
It would've been a very Wojo thing for Neptune to win this game. Squeak by DePaul, beat Marquette without its best player, and take literally all the credit for it with people calling you the next Jay Wright times Coach K divided by Bob Knight.
Instead, Marquette, without their best player, ended that sh*t because of their great coach and the dudes they have on their team. Awesome CBB game.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 14, 2024, 11:19:16 PM
Nova players threw Stevie to the ground like 12 times with no call.
Neptune basically attacked the ref at the baseline after a no call on a nova basket.
F'Nova. Have fun in the NIT.
Very well said PW!!!
For as many great coaching jobs by Shake this year, I thought this was one of his worst. If not for the plays at the end of regulation and end of overtime, it might have been his worst.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 14, 2024, 11:21:33 PM
It would've been a very Wojo thing for Neptune to win this game. Squeak by DePaul, beat Marquette without its best player, and take literally all the credit for it with people calling you the next Jay Wright times Coach K divided by Bob Knight.
Instead, Marquette, without their best player, ended that sh*t because of their great coach and the dudes they have on their team. Awesome CBB game.
Touche Biggie!!!
Fun game. On to tomorrow.
Doubt Tyler plays given the physicality.
Quote from: Jockey on March 14, 2024, 11:21:49 PM
For as many great coaching jobs by Shake this year, I thought this was one of his worst. If not for the plays at the end of regulation and end of overtime, it might have been his worst.
Show your work on this one.
Oh and Shaka should have used his bench more. They were gassed in the second half.
Shaka stuck with his guys tonight.
Norman maybe four minutes in first half, believe no play in second
Lowery maybe four minutes in first, did not play in second. (wasn't very good tonight)
Gold played and made two key threes and did not play for final 13 minutes. I don't understand it because Joplin was a walking time bomb.
Probably players exhausted now and bit hyped up, but Providence has played two games in two days. Go get em guys.
Need a point guard for next year. Kam gets stretched side to side. Need someone who can break down the defense, collapse the defense, and kick. Kam is doing a great job when needed, but he's best scoring off the ball. Defenses can bottle us up with him on the ball the entire game.
Gritty as hell. Big East wanted their NE semifinal. Sorry to crash the party.
KenPom predicted score:
Marquette 71 Nova 67
Quote from: nyg on March 14, 2024, 11:23:20 PM
Shaka stuck with his guys tonight.
Norman maybe four minutes in first half, believe no play in second
Lowery maybe four minutes in first, did not play in second. (wasn't very good tonight)
Gold played and made two key threes and did not play for final 13 minutes. I don't understand it because Joplin was a walking time bomb.
Probably players exhausted now and bit hyped up, but Providence has played two games in two days. Go get em guys.
Oh he played in 2nd half. Took maybe the worst shot of the season, then didnt play anymore shortly after.
Excellent win for MU. Proved our guys can win without our leader in a win to continue game.
Looking forward to a tough battle with Friars on Friday night
Q1 win without Kolek. Wouldn't be that if it was DePaul. Metrics also would've dropped had we not won by 25+.
Sheeeesh. Gutty win. Wasn't pretty but survive and advance.
I also wouldn't wanna play Nova if I were a 5/6 seed. They won't make it but that's a tournament quality team. Dixon is a dude.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2024, 11:26:10 PM
Q1 win without Kolek. Wouldn't be that if it was DePaul. Metrics also would've dropped had we not won by 25+.
Metrics have little value now. It's about the easiest path to progress.
Gutsy win, didn't falter, big time plays by Jop, Chase, and Oso in OT. Character revealed
Gutsy win by the Warriors. The boys have played a lot of big games over the past two years and their composure helped get them the win. Hopefully the first of several gutsy wins over the next several weeks.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 14, 2024, 11:24:42 PM
Oh he played in 2nd half. Took maybe the worst shot of the season, then didnt play anymore shortly after.
Right, man that's right. Just came off bench a few seconds and took it. MU was up like 7 or 8. Shaka benched him immediately, so no real time on floor.
MSG will be a riot tomorrow. Jealous of those attending.
Stevie live now: https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1768494941708124299
Don't want to play PC. They're as dirty as anyone and there are never any calls.
It's not easy to get all excited thinking you've won on a great play, finding out you didn't actually win, getting over the disappointment, and then winning in OT.
Showed a lot of mental strength. Proud of the guys.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2024, 11:26:10 PM
Q1 win without Kolek. Wouldn't be that if it was DePaul. Metrics also would've dropped had we not won by 25+.
Apparently we're the only Scoopers who think rationally ww. :)
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2024, 11:31:41 PM
It's not easy to get all excited thinking you've won on a great play, finding out you didn't actually win, getting over the disappointment, and then winning in OT.
Showed a lot of mental strength. Proud of the guys.
Would of been hell if they lost in OT after that
Quote from: Goose on March 14, 2024, 11:27:58 PM
Gutsy win by the Warriors. The boys have played a lot of big games over the past two years and their composure helped get them the win. Hopefully the first of several gutsy wins over the next several weeks.
Gimme easy tomorrow, gutsy on Saturday, easy until Detroit and count me in for as many gutsy as possible after that.
Quote from: nyg on March 14, 2024, 11:23:20 PM
Shaka stuck with his guys tonight.
Norman maybe four minutes in first half, believe no play in second
Lowery maybe four minutes in first, did not play in second. (wasn't very good tonight)
Gold played and made two key threes and did not play for final 13 minutes. I don't understand it because Joplin was a walking time bomb.
Probably players exhausted now and bit hyped up, but Providence has played two games in two days. Go get em guys.
Norman played 12 minutes - about right imo. Lowery 5. I was OK with that too.
Gold only 16, even though he played well. Head scratcher, Shaka must not have like the match ups with two big in together.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 14, 2024, 11:43:57 PM
Gimme easy tomorrow, gutsy on Saturday, easy until Detroit and count me in for as many gutsy as possible after that.
That shot in OT by Chase was huge Dr. V. Maybe that gives him greater confidence moving forward?
Quote from: Johnny B on March 14, 2024, 11:39:38 PM
Would of been hell if they lost in OT after that
Especially when in Regulation with little time left Villanova was in the floor with the ball and he never did ask for a timeout. They got the time out, missed a shot or two then jop fouled the three point shooter and he made them all and tied the game. Ugh.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 14, 2024, 11:49:08 PM
Norman played 12 minutes - about right imo. Lowery 5. I was OK with that too.
Gold only 16, even though he played well. Head scratcher, Shaka must not have like the match ups with two big in together.
Just saw updated boxscore:
Oso, Kam and Stevie each played over 40.....
Joplin and Ross like 35.
Norman 12, but right Gold 16. He did sit last 13 minutes. Maybe Shaka thought Nova guys too quick or something.
One thing I noticed was the play of Justin Moore from Nova. Years ago he was on pace to be an All American and NBA prospect. Injury to achilles and knee have done him in, just a sad story. I mentioned earlier in the day that Hausen from Nova is dangerous from three and had not scored in two prior games. Didn't want him to go off tonight. He did not and look at this:
Justin Moore 1 for 10 from field, 0 for 6 from three.
Hausen 1 for 9 from field, 1 for 8 from three
Totals: 2 for 19 from field, 1 for 14 from three
And I thought Joplin had a bad night....
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2024, 11:56:54 PM
That shot in OT by Chase was huge Dr. V. Maybe that gives him greater confidence moving forward?
Chase has been good from distance. His issue has been finishing at the rim, especially through contact. Big point of development this summer.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2024, 11:59:23 PM
Chase has been good from distance. His issue has been finishing at the rim, especially through contact. Big point of development this summer.
Ya...I think he is off balanced and goes full throttle when he could easily just slow down, finish, or kick to an open man. He'll figure it out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2024, 12:02:49 AM
Ya...I think he is off balanced and goes full throttle when he could easily just slow down, finish, or kick to an open man. He'll figure it out.
Yep. Have him spend all summer with Kam and Stevie working on his touch around the hoop, he can learn a ton from them.
For now, defend like heck and try to get some timely steals and rebounds.
Any 3 is a bonus, and when you go to the hoop go hard to dunk and/or get fouled
https://twitter.com/BigEastBarroom/status/1768497322034368988
Neptune cant be long for this job
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 12:18:17 AM
https://twitter.com/BigEastBarroom/status/1768497322034368988
Neptune cant be long for this job
LOL.
and how is this not a technical:
https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825 (https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825)
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 15, 2024, 12:51:23 AM
and how is this not a technical:
https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825 (https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825)
That was perfectly contained compared to Stevie being laid out.
These refs need to be barred from the rest of the tournament. That was insane.
The play call at the end of regulation was great. The officials ultimately got it right. Telling Oso to go get a basket with 5 seconds on the shot clock, up 2, when he hasn't made anything and has honestly looked bad all game on offense? Huevos grande.
MU switched even more than usual yesterday, IMO to stay up on 3 pt shooters. Stevie spent a lot of time on Dixon, and Oso showed once again he can guard on the perimeter.
Would have liked to see a lateral view of the ball leaving Kam's hand at the end of regulation instead of only a vertical one. Another clutch victory
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2024, 11:23:43 PM
Need a point guard for next year. Kam gets stretched side to side. Need someone who can break down the defense, collapse the defense, and kick. Kam is doing a great job when needed, but he's best scoring off the ball. Defenses can bottle us up with him on the ball the entire game.
Gritty as hell. Big East wanted their NE semifinal. Sorry to crash the party.
Kam is playing so well, I'm starting to wonder if we'll need to replace him, too!
That kid Armstrong is a heckuva player for Nova. He gave us fits in their big comeback and again last night. Good thing he had foul trouble, we built our lead when he was sitting.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 15, 2024, 12:51:23 AM
and how is this not a technical:
https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825 (https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825)
Good question. WTH was he jumping in the refs face about anyway?
Quote from: Goose on March 14, 2024, 11:27:58 PM
Gutsy win by the Warriors. The boys have played a lot of big games over the past two years and their composure helped get them the win. Hopefully the first of several gutsy wins over the next several weeks.
Yeah, I think these games have been very valuable. We will need guys to step up in the tourney, and we have seen some clutch performances.
Also, one of my worries early on was it felt like when the team went on a run, we got panicky and tried to get it all back at once, which compounded things. I haven't seen that much the second half of the season. The experience is really showing.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2024, 11:59:23 PM
Chase has been good from distance. His issue has been finishing at the rim, especially through contact. Big point of development this summer.
Yep. Love the athleticism, defense and his three point shot seems to be reliable but he is not a good finisher at the rim in traffic. Can only do a straight line drive. Not crafty at all. Can't contort his body to get the shot off. I hope he can improve on it. But my suspicion is he can't. Need Kam to stay next year or our layup line at the rim from our guards is basically over.
Well let's enjoy this year and figure that out later.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 15, 2024, 06:40:43 AM
Yeah, I think these games have been very valuable. We will need guys to step up in the tourney, and we have seen some clutch performances.
Also, one of my worries early on was it felt like when the team went on a run, we got panicky and tried to get it all back at once, which compounded things. I haven't seen that much the second half of the season. The experience is really showing.
I liked the attitude when the review didn't go our way. Jop immediately said something like - allright lets go.
These guys are battle tested, and if we can something close to full strength Tyler, I like our chance as much as anyone in the coming weeks.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 15, 2024, 07:09:34 AM
Yep. Love the athleticism, defense and his three point shot seems to be reliable but he is not a good finisher at the rim in traffic. Can only do a straight line drive. Not crafty at all. Can't contort his body to get the shot off. I hope he can improve on it. But my suspicion is he can't. Need Kam to stay next year or our layup line at the rim from our guards is basically over.
Well let's enjoy this year and figure that out later.
Of course he can improve. That is what MU is about. Retention and development.
They shot better at the line than us, but miracles do happen
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 05:22:03 AM
The play call at the end of regulation was great. The officials ultimately got it right. Telling Oso to go get a basket with 5 seconds on the shot clock, up 2, when he hasn't made anything and has honestly looked bad all game on offense? Huevos grande.
MU switched even more than usual yesterday, IMO to stay up on 3 pt shooters. Stevie spent a lot of time on Dixon, and Oso showed once again he can guard on the perimeter.
Yep. If anything, Oso improved his draft prospects last night. Scouts have known forever that many parts of his offense are a work in progress and that he might never be a shooter. But he showed on the big stage how effective he is at switching and communicating and defending everyone from 6-2 guards to 6-10 bigs, both inside and outside. And offensively, he also delivered some very nice passes.
As a Marquette fan, I wish he'd look to score a little more. He didn't even attempt a single one of his patented push shots. The big jump hook he scored in OT ... I think he could have gotten at least a half-dozen of those in this game. But I'll take what Oso brings every day of the week, and I think several NBA execs are saying the same.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 15, 2024, 12:51:23 AM
and how is this not a technical:
https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825 (https://twitter.com/TheRisingSKI/status/1768491006435917825)
We probably shouldn't be the ones to cast stones...
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 09:55:22 AM
We probably shouldn't be the ones to cast stones...
I was going to say, don't go on reddit with this sort of evidence.
They all think Shaka is the biggest offender.
Quote from: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 08:00:34 AM
Of course he can improve. That is what MU is about. Retention and development.
Oh I agree he will improve in many aspects of his game. Some people are just more natural at finishing around the rim than others. He doesn't need to be as good as Kam, not many are, but Ive seen very little to this point that demonstrates he has a good feel for scoring near the rim except for a breakaway dunk.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 10:01:37 AM
I was going to say, don't go on reddit with this sort of evidence.
They all think Shaka is the biggest offender.
So he helps out with blocking every now and again. I'm good with that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 10:01:37 AM
I was going to say, don't go on reddit with this sort of evidence.
They all think Shaka is the biggest offender.
There were actually a couple times last night where Shaka came onto the floor and put his hands on players and directed them where he wanted them. I recall once with Joplin and once with Ross. On the time with Joplin the ref told him to move back off the floor.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 09:55:22 AM
We probably shouldn't be the ones to cast stones...
Was Neptune trying to get a time out or was he complaining about a shooting foul? Unhinged
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 10:23:32 AM
Was Neptune trying to get a time out or was he complaining about a shooting foul? Unhinged
I think he thought the shooter was bumped.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 10:01:37 AM
I was going to say, don't go on reddit with this sort of evidence.
They all think Shaka is the biggest offender.
All game long, multiple VU fans near us were complaining about Shaka on the court. I agree we should keep quiet on this.
I guess I don't really understand why people get so bent out of shape about coaches being on the court. They all do it.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 15, 2024, 07:16:11 AM
I liked the attitude when the review didn't go our way. Jop immediately said something like - allright lets go.
That's the Marquette Way!Never Back Down!!!!!!!
Do the Job!!!!!!
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 15, 2024, 11:36:28 AM
I guess I don't really understand why people get so bent out of shape about coaches being on the court. They all do it.
They all do it.
Shaka does it more than most (if not all), so I can see why it bothers other fans.
Last night Neptune went to far when he rushed at the ref and should have gotten a T IMO. Shaka probably could have gotten one at some point as well.
Refs are inconsistent, this is nothing new.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 15, 2024, 10:23:10 AM
There were actually a couple times last night where Shaka came onto the floor and put his hands on players and directed them where he wanted them. I recall once with Joplin and once with Ross. On the time with Joplin the ref told him to move back off the floor.
Shaka probably should have been T'd up for that, definitely should have received an official warning.
CBS' Matt Norlander talked to a "veteran official" about Shaka's actions in the Creighton game earlier this season and the ref told him:
"I love Shaka, and if I would've T'ed him up for this, he would've been like, 'You're right.' Some others wouldn't have responded that way."