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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DoctorV on March 09, 2024, 06:51:16 PM

Title: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: DoctorV on March 09, 2024, 06:51:16 PM
1.  23-8, 14-6. Another great regular season. Didn’t win a BE Title, but pretty much where most of us thought we would be, and without Tyler for 3 games.

2. 12/17, 4/6 from 3 for 30, 9, 5. Kameron Jones, what stars do when stars go down.

3. 24 on 11/15. Career high. Osasere Ighodaro, what stars do when stars go down.

4. Stevie Mitchell, clutch? Huge 3 at the end and wanted the ball to go to the line, and delivered.

5. Shaka is amazing for Marquette.

6. Nice contribution from Benny in the 2H. Tre was good at times in the 1st.

7. Jop and Chase have to be better in elimination games. Jop made a big fade away in the lane. Chase battled on both ends. This team needs better though.

8. Bring on NYC. I’ve been vocal in the BET no matta crowd, but that’s our title to defend. Go get it.

9. Two weeks from now will be a whole new world, one way or the other.

Let’s f’ing go, We Are Marquette!!!
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Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 09, 2024, 06:55:11 PM
Really nice win.
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Post by: CountryRoads on March 09, 2024, 06:59:54 PM
BET should be fun. Have an odd feeling we will play DePaul.
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Post by: Judge Smails on March 09, 2024, 07:01:36 PM
BET should be fun. Have an odd feeling we will play DePaul.
teel?
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Post by: El Guerrero 2 on March 09, 2024, 07:02:40 PM
Chase needs to attack the rim more. I’d love to see him try to dot somebody, seems to be looking to get rid of it no matter what after two dribbles.
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Post by: CountryRoads on March 09, 2024, 07:04:17 PM
teel?

Seemed more realistic in my head.
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Post by: cheebs09 on March 09, 2024, 07:05:31 PM
BET should be fun. Have an odd feeling we will play DePaul.

I do not believe there is a consolation bracket.
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Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2024, 07:14:26 PM
Winning on the road at Xavier against a quality coach like Sean Miller is always an excellent win.

The announcer was correct , our whole team will build off a win like this .

MU is a Whole is greater than sum of parts team and todays win got the team back in that mode.
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Post by: Newsdreams on March 09, 2024, 08:03:56 PM
Lost FT battle, sad
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Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 09, 2024, 08:12:16 PM
Gritty game and a great confidence builder
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Post by: Daniel on March 09, 2024, 08:19:03 PM
Was a gutsy win….and Kam was the complete package.   Everyone contributed….. Tre hit a big three, Ben two, free throws by Stevie etc.  Great TEAM win by put Kam stands out! 
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Post by: Newsdreams on March 09, 2024, 08:36:45 PM
Losing the FT battle worries me
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Post by: AlumKCof93 on March 09, 2024, 08:37:18 PM
Kam and Oso were huge.  Great players showing leadership, toughness and skill. 

- Stevie’s contributions came late, but were huge.

- Ben made some clutch baskets.  He adds a different dimension when hitting 3s

- Need more from Jop.  His energy is so much different when he’s scoring.  Today he didn’t score and didn’t get back on defense.  I do not question anyone else’s intensity but some times, he just doesn’t bring it.  Today was one of those days. 
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Post by: NCMUFan on March 09, 2024, 08:43:08 PM
Jop saw the 3 pointers weren't falling.
Took fade aways in the lane and hit them.
Tough game for him, but he came through.
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Post by: Daniel on March 09, 2024, 08:44:00 PM
Losing the FT battle worries me

Even Shaka mentioned that after last game.  And rebounding.   So mabe this is the beginning of fixing it
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Post by: DoctorV on March 09, 2024, 08:54:32 PM
Jop saw the 3 pointers weren't falling.
Took fade aways in the lane and hit them.
Tough game for him, but he came through.

Maybe.

He only made 2 shots, so hit them seems extreme.

Big shot late is likely what you remember, but he was really poor today on both ends.

Tomorrow is a new day, and Marquette needs him the next 2 weeks
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Post by: jesmu84 on March 09, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
https://twitter.com/PaulFritschner/status/1766627144543736262?t=mzDLNYK2NxCF3Uozdij1Uw&s=19

Quote
Marquette only missed three shots in the final 12:46.
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Post by: Judge Smails on March 09, 2024, 09:02:35 PM
But how many FTs did they miss?
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Post by: Newsdreams on March 09, 2024, 09:34:28 PM
But how many FTs did they miss?
Too many
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Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 09, 2024, 10:28:32 PM
Chase needs to attack the rim more. I’d love to see him try to dot somebody, seems to be looking to get rid of it no matter what after two dribbles.

He doesn’t seem to be crafty enough around the rim to get his shot off. He can’t seem to get to the rim in traffic either.  Needs to work on his handle.  He seems to be a catch and shoot three and D player with a couple of wide open dunks thrown in occasionally.  Any fast break with a defender seems like a turnover waiting to happen.  Hopefully he continues to develop. This offseason will be a big one for him.
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Post by: MuggsyB on March 09, 2024, 10:47:12 PM
MU seemed to score on every possession to close the show today.  Under the circumstances that was pretty damn impressive. 
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Post by: wisblue on March 10, 2024, 06:12:15 AM
I was thinking this morning that in the BE as it existed in the 7 seasons from 2014-2020, MU would have won the conference title outright with a record of 14-4.
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Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 10, 2024, 06:45:08 AM
BET should be fun. Have an odd feeling we will play DePaul.

You’re joking of course, right? Those players just want their season over. Plus, the talent level is so far below Big East level, it really isn’t conceivable even if they found motivation. No way it isn’t Providence on Thursday.
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Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 10, 2024, 06:50:55 AM
Jop saw the 3 pointers weren't falling.
Took fade aways in the lane and hit them.
Tough game for him, but he came through.

This is being extremely generous.  Two baskets, 0/5 threes, 0 rebounds or assists, but “he came through”? He was awful.  Yeah, one make was down the stretch, but not like it put the game away by any stretch.
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Post by: WarriorFan on March 10, 2024, 07:02:16 AM
I thought Shaka did a much better job of spreading the minutes around to avoid fatigue at the end.  I think that's part of why MU won.  And that was not as easy as it sounds with only an 8 man rotation and Joplin clearly off while playing only 18 minues.
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Post by: wisblue on March 10, 2024, 07:10:56 AM
No way it isn’t Providence on Thursday.

Actually there’s no way it WILL be Providence on Thursday.

It will be Villanova.

I think Fox misled people by showing the “if the season ended today” bracket at the end of the MU game.

That didn’t reflect the upcoming UConn-Providence game which was going to change PC’s position one way or another. If PC had won they would have moved to the 5 seed and MU would have faced St.Johns. By losing they dropped to 7 and will face Creighton.
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Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 10, 2024, 07:15:41 AM
Actually there’s no way it WILL be Providence on Thursday.

It will be Villanova.

I think Fox misled people by showing the “if the season ended today” bracket at the end of the MU game.

That didn’t reflect the upcoming UConn-Providence game which was going to change PC’s position one way or another. If PC had won they would have moved to the 5 seed and MU would have faced St.Johns. By losing they dropped to 7 and will face Creighton.

Yep, oops. Thanks and agree, I was recalling what Fox put up at the end of the game. 
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Post by: muwarrior69 on March 10, 2024, 07:42:34 AM
We only had 7 assists against Creighton and 8 against UCONN. We had 16 against X, our average for the season. This was a key contribution to winning that game without TK.
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 07:52:26 AM
Almost as if the team continued to work without TK and began to figure it out. 

And, Xavier is not UConn or Creighton.
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Post by: wisblue on March 10, 2024, 08:21:36 AM
Yep, oops. Thanks and agree, I was recalling what Fox put up at the end of the game.

One of my daughters who is an MU grad and fanatic, and who follows college basketball pretty closely, did the same thing. She sent me a text saying “Now Marquette has to play stupid Providence”. We don’t have good feelings about them after their “aggressive” (some might say dirty) play in the game last week.
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Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2024, 08:23:55 AM
MU seemed to score on every possession to close the show today.  Under the circumstances that was pretty damn impressive.

They only missed 3 shots in the final 12 plus minutes

https://x.com/paulfritschner/status/1766627144543736262?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q


 
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Post by: muwarrior69 on March 10, 2024, 08:38:53 AM
Almost as if the team continued to work without TK and began to figure it out. 

And, Xavier is not UConn or Creighton.

Kam had 9 which bodes well for next season if he sticks around.
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Post by: Newsdreams on March 10, 2024, 08:40:31 AM
They only missed 3 shots in the final 12 plus minutes

https://x.com/paulfritschner/status/1766627144543736262?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Almost 64% efg is what did it.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on March 10, 2024, 09:04:27 AM
chase does seem to get in foul trouble, but given the quality of the refs today, there should be an asterisk for this game
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Post by: brewcity77 on March 10, 2024, 09:09:56 AM
Actually there’s no way it WILL be Providence on Thursday.

It will be Villanova.

I think Fox misled people by showing the “if the season ended today” bracket at the end of the MU game.


That didn’t reflect the upcoming UConn-Providence game which was going to change PC’s position one way or another. If PC had won they would have moved to the 5 seed and MU would have faced St.Johns. By losing they dropped to 7 and will face Creighton.

I said that as soon as it flashed up. Turned to my wife and said "the season does end today, but pretty much none of those spots are actually set yet because half the teams have yet to play."
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 12:52:26 PM
Finally watching the game.   All of the Joplin frustration.... he looked to me like he  is sick.  Like, perhaps the virus got him a little bit.
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Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 10, 2024, 01:15:14 PM
Finally watching the game.   All of the Joplin frustration.... he looked to me like he  is sick.  Like, perhaps the virus got him a little bit.

Maybe so. Is there any player on any team that never has a bad game? I'm not challenging your virus theory-just pointing out that Scoopers, like other bball fans, waste no time in coming down on a player.
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 01:16:59 PM
I support every scoopers right to mourn victory in any matter they so choose.

He looked sick and listless to me.   I celebrate your right to disagree.
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Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 10, 2024, 01:18:56 PM
Finally watching the game.   All of the Joplin frustration.... he looked to me like he  is sick.  Like, perhaps the virus got him a little bit.

Other than his bad play you’re basing that on what? 

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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 01:22:14 PM
Energy level.   Many teammates having recently gone through it a virus that sapped their energy.   No inside knowledge.   It just looked obvious to me. 

Related, Ben Gold getting 27 minutes was great and I am more confident than ever he will be fine as a starting 5.
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Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 10, 2024, 01:26:20 PM
Energy level.   Many teammates having recently gone through it a virus that sapped their energy.   No inside knowledge.   It just looked obvious to me.

That's what happens when you drink Gatorade instead of Red Bull.
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Post by: Viper on March 10, 2024, 01:48:06 PM
Energy level.   Many teammates having recently gone through it a virus that sapped their energy.   No inside knowledge.   It just looked obvious to me. 

Related, Ben Gold getting 27 minutes was great and I am more confident than ever he will be fine as a starting 5.
“I am more confident than ever he will be fine as a starting 5.”
 Please explain.
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Post by: Newsdreams on March 10, 2024, 02:08:31 PM
“I am more confident than ever he will be fine as a starting 5.”
 Please explain.
Wut?
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Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2024, 02:12:59 PM
“I am more confident than ever he will be fine as a starting 5.”
 Please explain.

Tower isn’t an idiot
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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 02:21:28 PM
Love how no one provides actual stats to Vipers question yet if you question BG it’s a low effort troll. Going from Oso to BG is going to be a drastic drop off in D
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 02:28:14 PM
Where was Oso as a sophomore compared to Ben now?    No guarantees, but I feel better about Ben now than I did about Oso two years ago.   
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Post by: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2024, 02:30:24 PM
Love how no one provides actual stats to Vipers question yet if you question BG it’s a low effort troll. Going from Oso to BG is going to be a drastic drop off in D

Ben Gold lost all summer last year due to injury.  He’ll have this entire summer to work on strength and conditioning and his game

Ben Gold’s offensive rating in conference games is 113.5, defensive rebounding % is 15.1, block % is 3.4, fouls committed is 3.9%

Oso’s sophomore year was 129.3, 10.0, 5.6 % and 4.2 %

Players get better playing for Shaka and his staff
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Post by: Goose on March 10, 2024, 02:31:28 PM
Tower

Gold is far ahead of Oso after year two. He has more tools and it is up to him and the coaching staff to push him to get better.
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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 02:36:02 PM
Hope you guys are right!
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Post by: Boone on March 10, 2024, 02:36:52 PM
Wolfgang please check PM
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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 02:41:37 PM
Wolfgang please check PM
didn’t know this place had PMs. I think I responded
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Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2024, 02:56:26 PM
Of course BG is going to be a drop-off from Oso defensively but so would nearly every center considering Oso's ability to switch and guard perimeter players.  He's a unicorn. 

BG has shown considerable improvement defensively as he's gotten healthy and gotten more minutes. 

Considering his skillset, people should be really excited about what he can become with another summer of development and getting stronger. 
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Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 10, 2024, 02:57:27 PM
I support every scoopers right to mourn victory in any matter they so choose.

He looked sick and listless to me.   I celebrate your right to disagree.

I agree he didn’t look fully right.  But he had his midrange game going. Made a couple in the second half that were needed. I’ve said it before, he’s the only player that Shaka should allow that from.  He’s can’t get all the way to the hoop most times and has the height and skill to make those shots fading away.
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Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 10, 2024, 03:02:00 PM
Of course BG is going to be a drop-off from Oso defensively but so would nearly every center considering Oso's ability to switch and guard perimeter players.  He's a unicorn. 

BG has shown considerable improvement defensively as he's gotten healthy and gotten more minutes. 

Considering his skillset, people should be really excited about what he can become with another summer of development and getting stronger.

Yep.  He is going to be very good.  Will be fun to watch develop and take his skill to another level next year. 
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Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 10, 2024, 03:04:49 PM
Of course there's going to be a dropoff from a two time All-BE 2nd teamer and NBA draft pick.

Just like there's going to be a dropoff in PG play next year, too.  Stay tuned for more of my keen insights.
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 03:09:25 PM
MU is doomed.
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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 03:11:09 PM
Of course there's going to be a dropoff from a two time All-BE 2nd teamer and NBA draft pick.

Just like there's going to be a dropoff in PG play next year, too.  Stay tuned for more of my keen insights.
Except we have a proven commodity to backfill Kolek as we saw yesterday.

All I’m saying is you guys think BGs better/will be better than the common non biased fans. Why can’t we bring in competition?
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 03:28:29 PM
Reasons to not hit the transfer portal for a big. (Assuming no additional departures.)
1.  Gold is good enough to start at center.
2.  Hamilton, Parham, Amadou.
3.  Culture and consistency.  Will this be the time Shaka goes back on his word and brings in a transfer and craps on continuity and development?
4. $$$  A center better than Ben is going to cost his weight in Gold.

So, in my opinion, MU does not go to the portal UNLESS A. Kam goes pro or B. Wholesale departures.
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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 03:32:34 PM
Disagree with 2/4 and not 100% sold on 1 but can get behind it. 3 is a whole different discussion.

Now if we’re all fine with next year being a “rebuilding” year then I understand rolling with what we have because I don’t think they’re good/will be good enough to be a top 25ish/non bubble team.
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Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2024, 03:35:43 PM
Except we have a proven commodity to backfill Kolek as we saw yesterday.

All I’m saying is you guys think BGs better/will be better than the common non biased fans. Why can’t we bring in competition?

What input do you have on BG from “common non-biased fans”?
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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 03:37:36 PM
What input do you have on BG from “common non-biased fans”?
other college basketball fans who have watched Marquette? They think he’s a normal rotation big. If I brought up the NBA they’d laugh and think I was joking
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Post by: HowardsWorld on March 10, 2024, 03:38:51 PM
Reasons to not hit the transfer portal for a big. (Assuming no additional departures.)
1.  Gold is good enough to start at center.
2.  Hamilton, Parham, Amadou.
3.  Culture and consistency.  Will this be the time Shaka goes back on his word and brings in a transfer and craps on continuity and development?
4. $$$  A center better than Ben is going to coat.his weight in Gold.

So, in my opinion, MU does not go to the portal UNLESS A. Kam goes pro or B. Wholesale departures.

Number 1 is as incorrect at they come. We have lacked size for years and when we lose it’s always because we are out rebounded. Gold is not bette than Oso and oso gets out rebounded often. I think it would be a huge mistake to not and land a big man
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Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2024, 03:43:33 PM
other college basketball fans who have watched Marquette? They think he’s a normal rotation big. If I brought up the NBA they’d laugh and think I was joking

And have they watched every minute of every Marquette game this year? 
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Post by: Goose on March 10, 2024, 03:45:40 PM
Wolfgang

Not that I really care, but do you remember what was being said about Omax and Oso on this site over the past two years? Both of those guys were bashed often and one was a first round draft pick and the other one likely will be one.

I still laugh that countless folks on here that it was laughable that scouts were watching Omax last season. There is zero doubt in my mind that guys that get paid to know basketball have Gold on their radar screen.

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Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 10, 2024, 03:54:43 PM
Wolfgang

Not that I really care, but do you remember what was being said about Omax and Oso on this site over the past two years? Both of those guys were bashed often and one was a first round draft pick and the other one likely will be one.

I still laugh that countless folks on here that it was laughable that scouts were watching Omax last season. There is zero doubt in my mind that guys that get paid to know basketball have Gold on their radar screen.
Ill have you know my group chat with fellow Marquette alum called Omax “LottoMax” because at times he looked like a lottery pick. This was before last year.

Ellenson couldn’t hang in the league and he’s miles better than Gold. It’s tough to hang with NBA pros when you’re 30% 3pt shooter and below average athleticism.
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Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 10, 2024, 03:57:07 PM
Wolfgang

Not that I really care, but do you remember what was being said about Omax and Oso on this site over the past two years? Both of those guys were bashed often and one was a first round draft pick and the other one likely will be one.

I still laugh that countless folks on here that it was laughable that scouts were watching Omax last season. There is zero doubt in my mind that guys that get paid to know basketball have Gold on their radar screen.

Strange, not a vibe I got. I must admit OMax surprised me a bit in the draft. But my sense is most people saw him NBA worthy. Tall, Aggressive,, Athletic, Smart, with a decent outside shot.

I also must admit I haven't tracked him this year. Hope he's ok
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Post by: tower912 on March 10, 2024, 04:02:58 PM
BET should be fun. Have an odd feeling we will play DePaul.
That IS an odd feeling.
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Post by: GB Warrior on March 10, 2024, 04:08:55 PM
Tower

Gold is far ahead of Oso after year two. He has more tools and it is up to him and the coaching staff to push him to get better.

I gotta say, I loved the dichotomy between the Kam/Oso PnR & the Kam/Brick pick n pop.

I think Ben will be 'fine' next year. He's not Oso and I don't expect him to be. But he'll stress the defense differently.

I also think Parham is going to be a key cog sooner than later - a much closer Oso proxy than BG
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Post by: 94Warrior on March 10, 2024, 07:27:05 PM
You’re joking of course, right? Those players just want their season over. Plus, the talent level is so far below Big East level, it really isn’t conceivable even if they found motivation. No way it isn’t Providence on Thursday.

There's a better chance of it being DePaul than Providence.  But, my money's on Villanova.
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Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 10, 2024, 10:17:10 PM
other college basketball fans who have watched Marquette? They think he’s a normal rotation big. If I brought up the NBA they’d laugh and think I was joking

Ben Gold could be the best center in the Big East next season. I think he has a very good chance to at least be a top 5 starting center in the Big East next season. Check out who's leaving this season:

Out of Eligibility/Announced Not Using COVID Year:
Oso Ighodaro
Jaden Bediako
Joel Soriano
Josh Oduro
Jalen Thomas

May or May Not Use COVID Year:
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Eric Dixon
Lance Ware
Andre Screen
Abou Ousmane
Supreme Cook
Desean Nelson

Expected to Go Pro:
Donovan Clingan

If all the COVID year guys go, that leaves the projected starting Centers as:
Butler: Connor Turnbull (4.1 ppg/2.2 rpg)
Creighton: Isaac Traudt (3.2/1.4)
DePaul: Churchill Abass (3.9/3.3)
Georgetown: Thomas Sorber (#43 ranked FR)
Marquette: Ben Gold (5.0/3.3)
Providence: Rafael Castro (2.9/2.5)
Seton Hall: Elijah Hutchins-Everett (3.3/2.7)
St. John's: Zuby Ejiofor (4.2/3.3)
UConn: Samson Johnston (5.3/ 3.1)
Villanova: Matthew Hodge (#67 ranked FR)
Xavier: Sasa Ciani (2.8/3.3)

I would rather have Gold than anyone in that group. Now, some of the COVID year guys will come back, though I would take Gold over any of them except Kalkbrenner and Dixon. And I'm sure some schools will pick up better from the transfer portal. But it shows you how much competition there will be for starting quality bigs and how rare it is to have a guy put up big numbers when backing up a stud like Oso.

Gold's defense has massively improved as the season went on. His three point shot is streaky. Get that to a consistent 35% and add a full healthy offseason of development, I'm very optimistic about Ben as a starter next season.
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Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 11, 2024, 03:41:44 AM
I was completely negative on Gold to start the year, but he has grown steadily this year to the point that I have no concerns with him starting. Way more concerned about who will back him up.
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Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 06:26:28 AM
Ben Gold could be the best center in the Big East next season. I think he has a very good chance to at least be a top 5 starting center in the Big East next season. Check out who's leaving this season:

Out of Eligibility/Announced Not Using COVID Year:
Oso Ighodaro
Jaden Bediako
Joel Soriano
Josh Oduro
Jalen Thomas

May or May Not Use COVID Year:
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Eric Dixon
Lance Ware
Andre Screen
Abou Ousmane
Supreme Cook
Desean Nelson

Expected to Go Pro:
Donovan Clingan

If all the COVID year guys go, that leaves the projected starting Centers as:
Butler: Connor Turnbull (4.1 ppg/2.2 rpg)
Creighton: Isaac Traudt (3.2/1.4)
DePaul: Churchill Abass (3.9/3.3)
Georgetown: Thomas Sorber (#43 ranked FR)
Marquette: Ben Gold (5.0/3.3)
Providence: Rafael Castro (2.9/2.5)
Seton Hall: Elijah Hutchins-Everett (3.3/2.7)
St. John's: Zuby Ejiofor (4.2/3.3)
UConn: Samson Johnston (5.3/ 3.1)
Villanova: Matthew Hodge (#67 ranked FR)
Xavier: Sasa Ciani (2.8/3.3)

I would rather have Gold than anyone in that group. Now, some of the COVID year guys will come back, though I would take Gold over any of them except Kalkbrenner and Dixon. And I'm sure some schools will pick up better from the transfer portal. But it shows you how much competition there will be for starting quality bigs and how rare it is to have a guy put up big numbers when backing up a stud like Oso.

Gold's defense has massively improved as the season went on. His three point shot is streaky. Get that to a consistent 35% and add a full healthy offseason of development, I'm very optimistic about Ben as a starter next season.

Yep. If Gold were to hit the open market, he would get a very nice NIL deal to go elsewhere. Here's hoping he's happy at Marquette.

As I just posted in another thread, in addition to vastly improved defense that has been extremely valuable to the team, he is shooting .375 from 3 the last 13 games. And that includes the 1-8 vs Creighton; aside from that, he's at .425 during the stretch.

If Gold had done exactly that for (name a high-major team), entered the portal and transferred to Marquette, most of the same MU fans criticizing him would be giving Shaka huzzahs for adding him.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 11, 2024, 07:08:10 AM
I don't think I'd compare Gold to Oso as seniors because they are such different players. Oso was strictly a center who did all his work around the basket and was clearly the backup to Kur. He was a fine defensive reserve and excellent offensive big, but he didn't remotely handle the ball or pass like he does now.

Gold rotates in at two positions and can play in Oso's spot or alongside him. He handles more on the perimeter than Oso did at the same stage and stretches the floor better than Oso did (his floor stretching through passing didn't come until his junior year). I'm confident in Gold as a starter. He might not be as good defensively, but the consistent defensive growth we've seen gives me confidence he'll be there next year. His offensive game also suits the system well and while it's not one-for-one to Oso, I don't think we'll see a dramatic dropoff with him. As TAMU notes, barring portal additions he'll be one of the best bigs in the league next year.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: Goose on March 11, 2024, 07:49:33 AM
brew

I think Gold can do some of the things Oso has done offensively, plus has other tools. He has shown that he can be a nifty passer and I think he can develop into a very good ball handler for a big guy. That said, they are not the same players and Gold has to develop into the best version of himself, not try and be Oso.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: tower912 on March 11, 2024, 07:59:12 AM
Oso is a unicorn who can guard 5 positions.   Ben isn't.   Yet.   It struck me how small Ben looked against Clingan.   Ben lacks the explosiveness of Oso.  I want to see what he looks like after a healthy offseason.   I have seen Ben make moves that Oso did not or could not as a sophomore.   I have seen Ben beat his man off the dribble from the top of the key only to throw an alley oop to Amadou. I have seen him compete for 37 minutes against Kalkbrenner and not get embarrassed.

So, tell me.   What am I missing?  What is it about this sophomore that has convinced a subset of scoop that he cannot be the starting center as a junior.   Seriously.  Enlighten me.   
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2024, 08:00:42 AM
brew

I think Gold can do some of the things Oso has done offensively, plus has other tools. He has shown that he can be a nifty passer and I think he can develop into a very good ball handler for a big guy. That said, they are not the same players and Gold has to develop into the best version of himself, not try and be Oso.

The bolded says it all Goose. The three posts above yours are really good and rebut the arguments of Gold's critics who seem to lie in wait for him to do something wrong.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: Goose on March 11, 2024, 08:01:56 AM
Tower

The pass to Al caught my eye instantly. There is plenty to like about Gold, but many are stuck comparing him to Oso. Oso is a freak college player and none of us saw that two years ago. That said, he has weaknesses that are often overlooked.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: tower912 on March 11, 2024, 08:07:17 AM
I hope to see Ben finish with more authority next season.   There are times that I see skilled Euro-big instinct in him.  Against Xavier, that pump fake, baseline drive with his left hand into a pull up one hander is a move that almost no other 6'10 players have.   Next year he needs to finish at rhe rim.   
   But the fact that he is skilled enough to do the first part fills me with optimism.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: rgoode57 on March 11, 2024, 08:12:14 AM
I was shocked to see that both Kalkbrenner and Dixon can return next season of they want. They both seem like they should be old enough for Social Security by now.
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Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
I hope to see Ben finish with more authority next season.   There are times that I see skilled Euro-big instinct in him.  Against Xavier, that pump fake, baseline drive with his left hand into a pull up one hander is a move that almost no other 6'10 players have.   Next year he needs to finish at rhe rim.   
   But the fact that he is skilled enough to do the first part fills me with optimism.

Ben also got stripped a couple times he tried to dribble through traffic vs X. He's usually good at picking his spots, though. And those two 3s he hit were immense. That shooting can be such an enormous weapon next season. Heck, it might be a big weapon for us in the upcoming NCAAT. And I agree with your comment on Gold looking surprisingly small vs Clingan.

Oso is a freak college player and none of us saw that two years ago. That said, he has weaknesses that are often overlooked.

Agree about Oso being a "freak." We haven't seen his likes ever at Marquette, and he is the most unique big in college basketball today. That Shaka called him the most unselfish great player he's ever coached says pretty much all anybody needs to know about him.

But I don't think his weaknesses are overlooked by anyone on Scoop. He's one of my favorite Warrior Eagles ever, but I obviously know he can't shoot even from 15 feet, he isn't as good at boxing out as he should be, he occasionally has lapses in assertiveness, etc.

In other words, he's not perfect - which makes him like Kolek, Edey, Shead and every other outstanding player in college basketball today.

Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 11, 2024, 08:38:38 AM


As I just posted in another thread, in addition to vastly improved defense that has been extremely valuable to the team, he is shooting .375 from 3 the last 13 games. And that includes the 1-8 vs Creighton; aside from that, he's at .425 during the stretch.

If Gold had done exactly that for (name a high-major team), entered the portal and transferred to Marquette, most of the same MU fans criticizing him would be giving Shaka huzzahs for adding him.

Good point, 82 - the new girl in school syndrome.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: tower912 on March 11, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
He did get stripped driving into traffic.  Some plays like that against UConn, too. To my eyes, it is clear the coaching staff wants him to be more assertive and less deferential.  He hears that as making more plays off the dribble.   He has the ballhandling skills.   The next step is learning how to defeat the help, the second hand reaching in from the helping guard.   

Like Oso this year, I fully expect Ben to be the outlet against man pressure next season.
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Post by: muwarrior97 on March 11, 2024, 09:53:25 AM
Ben Gold lost all summer last year due to injury.  He’ll have this entire summer to work on strength and conditioning and his game

Ben Gold’s offensive rating in conference games is 113.5, defensive rebounding % is 15.1, block % is 3.4, fouls committed is 3.9%

Oso’s sophomore year was 129.3, 10.0, 5.6 % and 4.2 %

Players get better playing for Shaka and his staff

AND he's getting NIL money now (welp I recall something on Scoop saying he couldn't receive money BUT the NIL store just added some stuff for him.....)
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2024, 09:57:17 AM
Oso is a unicorn who can guard 5 positions.   Ben isn't.   Yet.   It struck me how small Ben looked against Clingan.   Ben lacks the explosiveness of Oso.  I want to see what he looks like after a healthy offseason.   I have seen Ben make moves that Oso did not or could not as a sophomore.   I have seen Ben beat his man off the dribble from the top of the key only to throw an alley oop to Amadou. I have seen him compete for 37 minutes against Kalkbrenner and not get embarrassed.

So, tell me.   What am I missing?  What is it about this sophomore that has convinced a subset of scoop that he cannot be the starting center as a junior.   Seriously.  Enlighten me.

Will Shaka ask Ben to cover all 5 positions next year, i.e., switch everything? Or will he adjust the defensive scheme?
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: cheebs09 on March 11, 2024, 09:59:20 AM
AND he's getting NIL money now (welp I recall something on Scoop saying he couldn't receive money BUT the NIL store just added some stuff for him.....)

I love the shirt they just started selling. Not $40 worth, but love it nonetheless.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2024, 10:10:42 AM
He did get stripped driving into traffic.  Some plays like that against UConn, too. To my eyes, it is clear the coaching staff wants him to be more assertive and less deferential.  He hears that as making more plays off the dribble.   He has the ballhandling skills.   The next step is learning how to defeat the help, the second hand reaching in from the helping guard.   

Like Oso this year, I fully expect Ben to be the outlet against man pressure next season.

Assertive? Hell no. I want him to be known as the Kiwi ass Kicker. No more Mr. Nice Guy crap.
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2024, 11:30:13 AM
Assertive? Hell no. I want him to be known as the Kiwi ass Kicker. No more Mr. Nice Guy crap.
Shaka can hit the portal for an All Black
Title: Re: Musketeer, have no fear.
Post by: Farley36 on March 14, 2024, 10:15:10 PM
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