Per Ben Steele.
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1764682219669344329?t=edWcSuuSZ0Bw0giTWA2PVQ&s=19
That was pretty predictable, and it's the wise course of action.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2024, 10:04:41 AM
Per Ben Steele.
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1764682219669344329?t=edWcSuuSZ0Bw0giTWA2PVQ&s=19
Expected but still not the best news. Just heal up and get ready for the dance, Tyler. We need you at 100% then.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2024, 10:06:00 AM
That was pretty predictable, and it's the wise course of action.
Agreed. Really puts a damper on what could've been one of the best games of the season...and TK and Oso's last in Milwaukee.
Pls be healthy for the NCAAs.
I still expect them to win against Uconn even without Kolek. I don't see them playing Kolek in the BET either.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 10:08:39 AM
I don't see them playing Kolek in the BET either.
Nor should they unless he's darn close to 100%.
That's 3 intense, physical games in a span of about 50 hours. If the ultimate goal is a national title - as it should be for this group - then it's simply not worth the risk.
Hmm... at least. Until we see him play no way to know if this is a repeat of last season.
The release of that info seems somewhat strategic as a sort of PSA to the committee to not count these games against us.
With the bad luck this team has had injury wise, I'd play Norman, Lowery, and Al 30 minutes a piece in that BET game. Get ready for NCAA.
Beating UConn without him would be so awesome. Get well TK!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 04, 2024, 10:12:15 AM
Hmm... at least. Until we see him play no way to know if this is a repeat of last season.
Marquette has the guys to win both the remaining regular season games. My thought process it that because its not a season ending injury Kolek can choose when to come back and just take pain killers.
No need to rush back. Even if Marquette drops to a 3 seed, getting Kolek healthy is the main concern.
That said, hopefully Tyler is ready to go by the NCAAs.
Sucks
But ... please... for the love of all things
Holy, let him be 100% to practice before and play in NCAAT
Get healthy and now TK will also have fresh legs. Injuries suck, but there's still time to get healthy.
Diener, Jerel, Dom, Tyler twice now with late season injuries. Moirai hates us!
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 10:08:39 AM
I still expect them to win against Uconn even without Kolek. I don't see them playing Kolek in the BET either.
Ehhh.
I'm torn. If he's physically not able...then ya...I'd hold him out.
However, if he's able, I'd at least get him some run. It'd be nice to have his 1st return to action not be a must win. Playing in a Big East Tournament game would give him a tune up.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 10:08:39 AM
I still expect them to win against Uconn even without Kolek. I don't see them playing Kolek in the BET either.
Wish I shared your optimism.
All that matters in the NCAA. Feel badly he likely is missing his last game at the FF, but bigger fish to fry.
Unfortunate but expected.
Very unfortunate. Even if at 100% (which is probably unlikely) come NCAAT, that's several weeks of not playing before playing the most important basketball of the season.
Wishing him a full and speedy recovery.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 04, 2024, 10:21:23 AM
Ehhh.
I'm torn. If he's physically not able...then ya...I'd hold him out.
However, if he's able, I'd at least get him some run. It'd be nice to have his 1st return to action not be a must win. Playing in a Big East Tournament game would give him a tune up.
Define "able."
Play him before the NCAAT if he's 100%. Don't play him if he's not. Pretty simple.
He'll have the first-round NCAAT game to get a "tune up." If we lose to a 15 or 14 seed, we're not as good as most of us think we are.
Anyone else having 08-09 flashbacks?
Shaka's had some pretty bad injury/illness luck in March since leaving VCU.
Never makes me feel good when I see "will be reevaluated" in a couple weeks.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2024, 10:33:33 AM
Define "able."
Play him before the NCAAT if he's 100%. Don't play him if he's not. Pretty simple.
He'll have the first-round NCAAT game to get a "tune up." If we lose to a 15 or 14 seed, we're not as good as most of us think we are.
I think we all know this teams ceiling is Phoenix...but that doesn't mean they couldn't slip up in a game where Kolek is trying to find his groove.
That Xavier game could end up being the difference in a 2 seed or 3 seed. Hopefully we can pull that one off.
Time for a scooper with super confidential sources within the team to share what's really going on.
Just a terrible, terrible, blow.
We have proven that a healthy MU can beat anyone. We can still make a lot of noise before the end of the BET, with or without TK. Let's get as healthy as possible and if costs us a seed line or two, I'd trade that for health.
When do you want him to re-aggravate? BEast tourney or NCAA tourney?
#LastDays
Quote from: MuMark on March 04, 2024, 10:22:06 AM
Wish I shared your optimism.
I think that goes beyond optimism.
This injury of TK also makes me feel even worse for Sean Jones.
This would be a fun little week and a half for him to get some shine and man could we use him for depth.
Emarion Ellis is available.
Most depressed I have ever been as an MU fan. And I can't even imagine what Tyko and the team with Shaka must be feeling right now. Beyond unlucky and it absolutely sucks.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 04, 2024, 10:36:06 AM
Never makes me feel good when I see "will be reevaluated" in a couple weeks.
Exactly the phrasing they used with Chase. Said he would be reevaluated later in January. He played right after that.
If he made good improvement in 3 days, I think he'll be good to go in 3 weeks.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 04, 2024, 10:49:14 AM
Exactly the phrasing they used with Chase. Said he would be reevaluated later in January. He played right after that.
If he made good improvement in 3 days, I think he'll be good to go in 3 weeks.
100%, I am more concerned about our seed to be honest. I want the two seed so we can play the 15 seed without Kolek if he is not ready and then clearly have a game where we still have the chance to win against the 7/10 seed without him. We lose the next three though and things shift drastically.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 04, 2024, 10:48:20 AM
Most depressed I have ever been as an MU fan. And I can't even imagine what Tyko and the team with Shaka must be feeling right now. Beyond unlucky and it absolutely sucks.
Oh, the drama.
FFS Muggs, can we at least wait until we have some actual information on Kolek's availability for the NCAA tournament before we climb on a ledge and contemplate jumping?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 04, 2024, 10:34:25 AM
Anyone else having 08-09 flashbacks?
Sort of. But throw in the diminutive backup pg being out too and that's an even worse feeling.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 04, 2024, 10:48:20 AM
Most depressed I have ever been as an MU fan. And I can't even imagine what Tyko and the team with Shaka must be feeling right now. Beyond unlucky and it absolutely sucks.
He's not dead. I'd be shocked if he's not able to play the first weekend of the tourney. Step off of the ledge for now.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2024, 10:52:14 AM
Oh, the drama.
FFS Muggs, can we at least wait until we have some actual information on Kolek's availability for the NCAA tournament before we climb on a ledge and contemplate jumping?
Be quiet! He's thinking about it.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 04, 2024, 10:52:29 AM
Sort of. But throw in the diminutive backup pg being out too and that's an even worse feeling.
Or people can not freak out quite yet but I suppose that's a lot to ask.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 10:16:17 AM
Marquette has the guys to win both the remaining regular season games. My thought process it that because its not a season ending injury Kolek can choose when to come back and just take pain killers.
The report didn't say it wasn't a season ending injury, either. It merely said he won't play the next 6 days and then they'll "re-evaluate". One of the few things I've learned over the years is to take all pronouncements regarding injuries with a huge grain of salt, whether college or pros, whether coming from Marquette or any other team or program. People heal differently. Sometimes teams don't want to deliver bad news until they absolutely have to.
I'm getting kind of an eerie feeling about this situation.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 04, 2024, 10:34:25 AM
Anyone else having 08-09 flashbacks?
Yes!
As previously stated, Dominic James redux.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 04, 2024, 10:58:46 AM
Or people can not freak out quite yet but I suppose that's a lot to ask.
That's also fair and I applaud your positivity in this situation. I genuinely look forward to being told my fears and concerns of the unknown were overblown.
But to the original post by Galway, at first blush I do find it to feel a bit like 08-09 after losing Dom in the sense of a dread-like feeling upon seeing the release. Oblique injuries are tricky and this sort of press release means it's trickier than "man, just feels a little funny, let's see how I feel tomorrow." I also was noting that this time we don't have a Junior Mints backup to fill in like Sean would have barring injury.
All of the above notwithstanding, I'll still be out there cheering our guys on for the rest of the season (and beyond). It's a hell of a group that leaves it all out there and plays for each other.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on March 04, 2024, 10:59:34 AM
I'm getting kind of an eerie feeling about this situation.
Lazar?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 04, 2024, 10:58:46 AM
Or people can not freak out quite yet but I suppose that's a lot to ask.
You're right comparing it to a year where our star PG went down when we were ranked 8th in the nation is a terrible comp. What were we thinking, basically the same as saying the season is over.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 04, 2024, 11:04:55 AM
Yes!
As previously stated, Dominic James redux.
I am having those flashbacks, though I think this is potentially a lot worse.
The 09 team had McNeal, Matthews,and Hayward, and a serviceable backup for James in Maurice Acker.
Kolek really drives this team's offense and , especially with Sean Jones already out, if Kolek can't play in the NCAA tournament this team's ceiling becomes really low.
I wouldn't read much into this...yet. This isn't very surprising news.
There is zero reason for him to play these next two games. A 2 or 3 seed in the BET are essentially the same thing. We are basically a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA as well. Little difference between the two.
No flashbacks at all here.
This is a different team - a better one IMHO - and a different circumstance. Plus, we have absolutely no clue whether or not Kolek will be able to play effectively in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 04, 2024, 10:57:29 AM
He's not dead. I'd be shocked if he's not able to play the first weekend of the tourney. Step off of the ledge for now.
As I've stated before...unless it is completely torn and they are just playing mind games with reporting...then he's gonna play in the NCAA Tournament.
His legs are healthy so he can still run up and down the court regardless of his limitations...good luck keeping him off the court in an elimination game with that being the case.
I just don't understand what people were expecting.
He was never gonna play these last two games. There's no reason too.
Maybe the injury is really really bad. But nothing that's been announced implies one way or the other
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 04, 2024, 10:48:20 AM
Most depressed I have ever been as an MU fan. And I can't even imagine what Tyko and the team with Shaka must be feeling right now. Beyond unlucky and it absolutely sucks.
We must atone for our sins
Someone tell me that Oso's eating like a horse and is all ready to go Wednesday.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 04, 2024, 11:17:08 AM
I just don't understand what people were expecting.
He was never gonna play these last two games. There's no reason too.
Maybe the injury is really really bad. But nothing that's been announced implies one way or the other
The timing on this is not coincidental. Once the door to a share of the league was officially shut yesterday, no sense in dragging it out.
Quote from: wisblue on March 04, 2024, 11:13:47 AM
I am having those flashbacks, though I think this is potentially a lot worse.
The 09 team had McNeal, Matthews,and Hayward, and a serviceable backup for James in Maurice Acker.
Kolek really drives this team's offense and , especially with Sean Jones already out, if Kolek can't play in the NCAA tournament this team's ceiling becomes really low.
McNeal and Kam are a wash. This team has a great center but I'd take Wes & Lazar over Jop & Stevie. And Jimmy late season over anybody on the current bench. Don't lose @X and just get right for NCAA tournament no sense in rushing back for a conference tournament if Tyler aggravates the injury.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 04, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
I wouldn't read much into this...yet. This isn't very surprising news.
There is zero reason for him to play these next two games. A 2 or 3 seed in the BET are essentially the same thing. We are basically a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA as well. Little difference between the two.
Agreed. At worst this just confirms what was already almost guaranteed — that Kolek won't be 100% by this weekend.
Now it's a question of whether he suits up for the BET. With the tournament win from last season in their back pocket, I think they'll be very cautious there too. Obviously he'll he playing in the NCAAT.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 04, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
I wouldn't read much into this...yet. This isn't very surprising news.
There is zero reason for him to play these next two games. A 2 or 3 seed in the BET are essentially the same thing. We are basically a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA as well. Little difference between the two.
Not saying this will happen, it's going to happening, etc., but what if MU loses its next three? UCONN, X and first round BET. That would be four in a row and would probably drop them to a 4 seed in NCAA? Not a big seed guy because it is what it is, but just curious to othe'rs thoughts.
Hoping for a close one with UCONN, beat X and take chances in BET without Kolek. That should be a 3 seed? Wish Kolek all the best with like three weeks rest and no rust if he comes back.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 04, 2024, 11:08:48 AM
You're right comparing it to a year where our star PG went down when we were ranked 8th in the nation is a terrible comp. What were we thinking, basically the same as saying the season is over.
Did I say it was a terrible comp? I just wouldn't get on the ledge yet.
It's been less than 5 days since it happened. Shaka already said he was feeling significantly better. Our resume is in good shape. Maybe it turns out to be the worst-case scenario but that's not where my mind is at right now.
Quote from: nyg on March 04, 2024, 11:32:42 AM
Not saying this will happen, it's going to happening, etc., but what if MU loses its next three? UCONN, X and first round BET. That would be four in a row and would probably drop them to a 4 seed in NCAA? Not a big seed guy because it is what it is, but just curious to othe'rs thoughts.
Hoping for a close one with UCONN, beat X and take chances in BET without Kolek. That should be a 3 seed? Wish Kolek all the best with like three weeks rest and no rust if he comes back.
I'm still not sure losing the next 3 drops us to a 4. I also don't think we lose the next 3, regardless. I fully expect to win at Xavier.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2024, 11:15:43 AM
No flashbacks at all here.
This is a different team - a better one IMHO - and a different circumstance. Plus, we have absolutely no clue whether or not Kolek will be able to play effectively in the NCAA tournament.
A better team?
Unfortunately we will never know, because www.ncaagamesim.com/gamesimulator.asp only goes back to 2009-2010.
Also, bravo to whatever fans out there (likely scoopers) have already run that simulation several times....!!
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 10:08:39 AM
I still expect them to win against Uconn even without Kolek. I don't see them playing Kolek in the BET either.
agree and agree
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 04, 2024, 10:38:10 AM
Time for a scooper with super confidential sources within the team to share what's really going on.
No source whatsoever, just speculation...
So, Tyler makes an ill-advised statement (requiring a reference to Urban Dictionary) about a St John's defender, clearly with no intent on any overtones of any kind, but it still isn't the kind of thing you want to say in a presser. Keep it to yourself or on the floor as a response to trash talk, and let the refs sort it out. Recent interviews with St John's players about the upcoming Big East Tournament reveal that they cannot wait to possibly face Tyler Kolek and Marquette again (this sentence is a fact).
The league offices don't issue any statement, but some phone calls are made to MU officials to maybe have a word with Tyler about toning down those kinds of responses, along with middle-finger ring pictures. In the meantime, at the Providence game at Fiserv Forum, Tyler is smacked hard just below his eye and is bleeding significantly. This and other plays throughout the season confirm that Tyler is absolutely NOT a protected player by Big East referees. With another MU high-seed NCAA Tournament bid on the horizon, especially after the previous year where Tyler was rendered ineffective by an injury in the first game of the tournament, the Marquette coaching staff has been mulling over a way to protect Tyler for the now relatively unimportant remainder of the regular season and BET.
Tyler goes back into the Providence game after getting his eye cut worked on and continues to get bumped and hassled a bit, and his coaches have seen enough. He makes a routine pass and subs himself out afterward. He soaks his beat-up frame at home over the ensuing weekend while his teammates play their hearts out in his and Oso's absence.
No way in heck do I really think that either the conference or coaching staff, rather than an actual injury, benched Tyler for 3 games. That said, Kolek doesn't get any favors from refs, and he often becomes a target of opponents' most physical players. And the OP wasn't in teal, so....just sayin'.
If Tyler can get healthy for the Big East Tournament, I sure hope the referees don't tolerate any retribution towards him.
GoFast
I do not want TK playing in the BET. He has done his regular season work and the team is well positioned for a high seed. Rest up and get ready for a championship run, imo.
Let's not overthink things. The elbow that caused his bleeding v. PC was completely accidental, and the BE doesn't care one bit what Tyler says in press conferences.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 01:18:31 PM
GoFast
I do not want TK playing in the BET. He has done his regular season work and the team is well positioned for a high seed. Rest up and get ready for a championship run, imo.
As long as the first-round NCAA opponent allows Tyler to hide any rust on his game, Goose, I'm right there with you.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 04, 2024, 01:19:02 PM
Let's not overthink things. The elbow that caused his bleeding v. PC was completely accidental, and the BE doesn't care one bit what Tyler says in press conferences.
I hear you. I will say that St John most definitely cares, so the only real issue of importance becomes keeping Tyler safe from excessive contact in a BET matchup with SJU.
How do we feel about whether the moon landing was real?
Well i hope the team is feeling better regarding the apparent flu that apparently was hitting the team.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 04, 2024, 01:14:38 PM
No source whatsoever, just speculation...
So, Tyler makes an ill-advised statement (requiring a reference to Urban Dictionary) about a St John's defender, clearly with no intent on any overtones of any kind, but it still isn't the kind of thing you want to say in a presser. Keep it to yourself or on the floor as a response to trash talk, and let the refs sort it out. Recent interviews with St John's players about the upcoming Big East Tournament reveal that they cannot wait to possibly face Tyler Kolek and Marquette again (this sentence is a fact).
The league offices don't issue any statement, but some phone calls are made to MU officials to maybe have a word with Tyler about toning down those kinds of responses, along with middle-finger ring pictures. In the meantime, at the Providence game at Fiserv Forum, Tyler is smacked hard just below his eye and is bleeding significantly. This and other plays throughout the season confirm that Tyler is absolutely NOT a protected player by Big East referees. With another MU high-seed NCAA Tournament bid on the horizon, especially after the previous year where Tyler was rendered ineffective by an injury in the first game of the tournament, the Marquette coaching staff has been mulling over a way to protect Tyler for the now relatively unimportant remainder of the regular season and BET.
Tyler goes back into the Providence game after getting his eye cut worked on and continues to get bumped and hassled a bit, and his coaches have seen enough. He makes a routine pass and subs himself out afterward. He soaks his beat-up frame at home over the ensuing weekend while his teammates play their hearts out in his and Oso's absence.
No way in heck do I really think that either the conference or coaching staff, rather than an actual injury, benched Tyler for 3 games. That said, Kolek doesn't get any favors from refs, and he often becomes a target of opponents' most physical players. And the OP wasn't in teal, so....just sayin'.
If Tyler can get healthy for the Big East Tournament, I sure hope the referees don't tolerate any retribution towards him.
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Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 04, 2024, 01:14:38 PM
No source whatsoever, just speculation...
So, Tyler makes an ill-advised statement (requiring a reference to Urban Dictionary) about a St John's defender, clearly with no intent on any overtones of any kind, but it still isn't the kind of thing you want to say in a presser. Keep it to yourself or on the floor as a response to trash talk, and let the refs sort it out. Recent interviews with St John's players about the upcoming Big East Tournament reveal that they cannot wait to possibly face Tyler Kolek and Marquette again (this sentence is a fact).
The league offices don't issue any statement, but some phone calls are made to MU officials to maybe have a word with Tyler about toning down those kinds of responses, along with middle-finger ring pictures. In the meantime, at the Providence game at Fiserv Forum, Tyler is smacked hard just below his eye and is bleeding significantly. This and other plays throughout the season confirm that Tyler is absolutely NOT a protected player by Big East referees. With another MU high-seed NCAA Tournament bid on the horizon, especially after the previous year where Tyler was rendered ineffective by an injury in the first game of the tournament, the Marquette coaching staff has been mulling over a way to protect Tyler for the now relatively unimportant remainder of the regular season and BET.
Tyler goes back into the Providence game after getting his eye cut worked on and continues to get bumped and hassled a bit, and his coaches have seen enough. He makes a routine pass and subs himself out afterward. He soaks his beat-up frame at home over the ensuing weekend while his teammates play their hearts out in his and Oso's absence.
No way in heck do I really think that either the conference or coaching staff, rather than an actual injury, benched Tyler for 3 games. That said, Kolek doesn't get any favors from refs, and he often becomes a target of opponents' most physical players. And the OP wasn't in teal, so....just sayin'.
If Tyler can get healthy for the Big East Tournament, I sure hope the referees don't tolerate any retribution towards him.
Wtf did I just read?
Quote from: wisblue on March 04, 2024, 01:23:54 PM
How do we feel about whether the moon landing was real?
It wasn't. We've never been to the moon, partly because the earth is flat
They said he is out for a week because they think he will be back after that.
Certainly open to re-evaluation a week from now, but that's the plan for now.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 04, 2024, 01:32:45 PM
It wasn't. We've never been to the moon, partly because the earth is flat
Hollow Earth is real, too. That stuff from Godzilla vs Kong wasn't CGI.
GoFast
I understood your post. I guess some guys don't think outside the box.
Quote from: wisblue on March 04, 2024, 01:23:54 PM
How do we feel about whether the moon landing was real?
Please...have you seen the pictures? curved moon? everyone knows it is flat, just like earth. Ask the Texas Tech experts.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 04, 2024, 01:14:38 PM
No source whatsoever, just speculation...
So, Tyler makes an ill-advised statement (requiring a reference to Urban Dictionary) about a St John's defender, clearly with no intent on any overtones of any kind, but it still isn't the kind of thing you want to say in a presser. Keep it to yourself or on the floor as a response to trash talk, and let the refs sort it out. Recent interviews with St John's players about the upcoming Big East Tournament reveal that they cannot wait to possibly face Tyler Kolek and Marquette again (this sentence is a fact).
The league offices don't issue any statement, but some phone calls are made to MU officials to maybe have a word with Tyler about toning down those kinds of responses, along with middle-finger ring pictures. In the meantime, at the Providence game at Fiserv Forum, Tyler is smacked hard just below his eye and is bleeding significantly. This and other plays throughout the season confirm that Tyler is absolutely NOT a protected player by Big East referees. With another MU high-seed NCAA Tournament bid on the horizon, especially after the previous year where Tyler was rendered ineffective by an injury in the first game of the tournament, the Marquette coaching staff has been mulling over a way to protect Tyler for the now relatively unimportant remainder of the regular season and BET.
Tyler goes back into the Providence game after getting his eye cut worked on and continues to get bumped and hassled a bit, and his coaches have seen enough. He makes a routine pass and subs himself out afterward. He soaks his beat-up frame at home over the ensuing weekend while his teammates play their hearts out in his and Oso's absence.
No way in heck do I really think that either the conference or coaching staff, rather than an actual injury, benched Tyler for 3 games. That said, Kolek doesn't get any favors from refs, and he often becomes a target of opponents' most physical players. And the OP wasn't in teal, so....just sayin'.
If Tyler can get healthy for the Big East Tournament, I sure hope the referees don't tolerate any retribution towards him.
"And your the only one I ever believed in
The answers that could never be found"
Welp, time for point-Jolpin to step up.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on March 04, 2024, 11:23:46 AM
Agreed. At worst this just confirms what was already almost guaranteed — that Kolek won't be 100% by this weekend.
Now it's a question of whether he suits up for the BET. With the tournament win from last season in their back pocket, I think they'll be very cautious there too. Obviously he'll he playing in the NCAAT.
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What, and hurt his NBA draft prospects if he re-injures himself.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 04, 2024, 01:14:38 PM
No source whatsoever, just speculation...
So, Tyler makes an ill-advised statement (requiring a reference to Urban Dictionary) about a St John's defender, clearly with no intent on any overtones of any kind, but it still isn't the kind of thing you want to say in a presser. Keep it to yourself or on the floor as a response to trash talk, and let the refs sort it out. Recent interviews with St John's players about the upcoming Big East Tournament reveal that they cannot wait to possibly face Tyler Kolek and Marquette again (this sentence is a fact).
The league offices don't issue any statement, but some phone calls are made to MU officials to maybe have a word with Tyler about toning down those kinds of responses, along with middle-finger ring pictures. In the meantime, at the Providence game at Fiserv Forum, Tyler is smacked hard just below his eye and is bleeding significantly. This and other plays throughout the season confirm that Tyler is absolutely NOT a protected player by Big East referees. With another MU high-seed NCAA Tournament bid on the horizon, especially after the previous year where Tyler was rendered ineffective by an injury in the first game of the tournament, the Marquette coaching staff has been mulling over a way to protect Tyler for the now relatively unimportant remainder of the regular season and BET.
Tyler goes back into the Providence game after getting his eye cut worked on and continues to get bumped and hassled a bit, and his coaches have seen enough. He makes a routine pass and subs himself out afterward. He soaks his beat-up frame at home over the ensuing weekend while his teammates play their hearts out in his and Oso's absence.
No way in heck do I really think that either the conference or coaching staff, rather than an actual injury, benched Tyler for 3 games. That said, Kolek doesn't get any favors from refs, and he often becomes a target of opponents' most physical players. And the OP wasn't in teal, so....just sayin'.
If Tyler can get healthy for the Big East Tournament, I sure hope the referees don't tolerate any retribution towards him.
Q?
Hello, 4 seed! (BEast)
If Seton Hall beats Nova, we may be looking at needing a win at X to snag 3rd. Ooofta
I would not play Kolek in first game of Big East tournament even if he thinks he is ready. This gives MU more game time playing without him.
Goose - maybe Oso faked his illness so he and Tyler could double down their NIL money on wagering on Creighton and the points...
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 01:46:03 PM
GoFast
I understood your post. I guess some guys don't think outside the box.
We root for the team not just 1 player. We want Kolek back soon but if not -
Lets finish the season well,
lets have some excitement in NY,
lets make a run in the tourney S-16! E-8!?! beyond?!?!
I just found out I'll be in West Lafayette (of all places), the evening of April 8. Dreamin of watching a PurdueXMarquette rematch in my MU gear at a Boilermaker bar!
I thought we became a more dangerous tournament team when Sean was injured because 38 minutes of Kolek + 2 minutes of Tre or whoever was > 28 minutes of Kolek + 12 minutes of Sean. I still believe that.
Without Kolek, though, our best mix was 25-30 minutes of Sean + whoever. I thought the guys played great at Creighton without a PG. But we only had a handful of assists and opponents have tape on us minus Tyler now. Oso can help some with the ball handling/distributing but no Kolek or Kolek less than 100% with his back up already down for the season really diminishes our chances. Saddest thing is we looked to be peaking just at the right time.
The ball didn't move all that much though. Not sure that's going to work for long.
Quote from: wisblue on March 04, 2024, 11:13:47 AM
I am having those flashbacks, though I think this is potentially a lot worse.
The 09 team had McNeal, Matthews,and Hayward, and a serviceable backup for James in Maurice Acker.
Kolek really drives this team's offense and , especially with Sean Jones already out, if Kolek can't play in the NCAA tournament this team's ceiling becomes really low.
If Tyler can't play, this is MUCH worse. #1, Tyler is considerably better than Dom was. #2, Mo Acker was a solid backup. This year's solid backup is still in a cast.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 04, 2024, 04:00:37 PM
The ball didn't move all that much though. Not sure that's going to work for long.
100% agree - that was part of the point I was trying to make.
I think the ball movement piece was exacerbated by losing two of our primary ball handlers. A healthy Oso helps a ton on our O sets.
In my opinion and theres some homer in me. I believe we win that game against Creighton with just Oso and no Kolek. Oso had 16 rebounds the first matchup when we out rebounded Creighton. It could have been the difference.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 04:45:07 PM
In my opinion and theres some homer in me. I believe we win that game against Creighton with just Oso and no Kolek. Oso had 16 rebounds the first matchup when we out rebounded Creighton. It could have been the difference.
I agree or at least they don't pull away in the end. Ben not shooting that poorly was a key to us winning without having Oso to bang against kalk
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 04:45:07 PM
In my opinion and theres some homer in me. I believe we win that game against Creighton with just Oso and no Kolek. Oso had 16 rebounds the first matchup when we out rebounded Creighton. It could have been the difference.
Oso would have negated Kalk. I agree
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 01:46:03 PM
GoFast
I understood your post. I guess some guys don't think outside the box.
absolutely gentlemen...this is one of those situations ya won't here the rest of the story until it comes out in paperback.
MU needs TK to make any kind of run. There is no way the offense we saw on Saturday goes very far in the tournament.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
MU needs TK to make any kind of run. There is no way the offense we saw on Saturday goes very far in the tournament.
100%
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
MU needs TK to make any kind of run. There is no way the offense we saw on Saturday goes very far in the tournament.
Efficiency-wise, MU's offense in Omaha was much better than MU's offense in the win in MKE. Shot 53 eFG % even with Ben's off day.
The defense OTOH with Oso out...woof
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 04, 2024, 10:50:45 AM
100%, I am more concerned about our seed to be honest. I want the two seed so we can play the 15 seed without Kolek if he is not ready and then clearly have a game where we still have the chance to win against the 7/10 seed without him. We lose the next three though and things shift drastically.
It would be extremely disappointing, even without Tyler, if MU lost at Xavier. The Musketeers stink, and there is no reason to believe we shouldn't beat them on Saturday.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
MU needs TK to make any kind of run. There is no way the offense we saw on Saturday goes very far in the tournament.
I can't agree more with this sentiment.
Dr. B
I'll stick with my eye test on both sides of the ball. The offense took a lot of energy to get difficult shots. I would not be booking S16 tickets counting on that isolation offense.
As for the D, we agree to disagree.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
MU needs TK to make any kind of run. There is no way the offense we saw on Saturday goes very far in the tournament.
Absolutely. We could maybe get to the Sweet 16 if everybody else is healthy and playing well, but beyond that it would be an understatement to say that victory without Kolek would be highly doubtful. And this season is all about "beyond that."
Quote from: bradforster on March 04, 2024, 05:47:40 PM
It would be extremely disappointing, even without Tyler, if MU lost at Xavier. The Musketeers stink, and there is no reason to believe we shouldn't beat them on Saturday.
Word. It's not easy winning on the road, but we still will be the much better team.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 04, 2024, 05:46:53 PM
The defense OTOH with Oso out...woof
Agree with this, too (I'm very agreeable tonight). Oso's defense - both on Kalkbrenner and switching onto others - would have made a huge difference vs. Creighton, especially knowing now that Gold didn't play very well.
In udder words, we're ucked-fayed, aina?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 04, 2024, 10:58:46 AM
Or people can not freak out quite yet but I suppose that's a lot to ask.
Why can't you just let people feel how they want to feel without criticizing them? Every person on this board has been eagerly looking forward to the next couple of weeks for the past year. To have a setback like this at the most critical point of the season is incredibly frustrating, especially after watching this team fight so hard all year to put themselves in a good position for the tournament.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 04, 2024, 09:21:22 PM
Why can't you just let people feel how they want to feel without criticizing them? Every person on this board has been eagerly looking forward to the next couple of weeks for the past year. To have a setback like this at the most critical point of the season is incredibly frustrating, especially after watching this team fight so hard all year to put themselves in a good position for the tournament.
MU is GOWNE
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 05:18:10 PM
MU needs TK to make any kind of run. There is no way the offense we saw on Saturday goes very far in the tournament.
Next man up, aina?
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 06:04:19 PM
Dr. B
I'll stick with my eye test on both sides of the ball. The offense took a lot of energy to get difficult shots. I would not be booking S16 tickets counting on that isolation offense.
As for the D, we agree to disagree.
I've booked tickets to the championship.
Quote from: Goose on March 04, 2024, 06:04:19 PM
Dr. B
I'll stick with my eye test on both sides of the ball. The offense took a lot of energy to get difficult shots. I would not be booking S16 tickets counting on that isolation offense.
As for the D, we agree to disagree.
Rocky has secured a Scoop discount.
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Win. Anyway.
Dr. B
Rocky already does enough to make my life better that I would not feel right taking advantage of a scoop discount.
I'm starting to feel good about TK being back for the NCAA tournament. No inside info, just reading between the lines and forming an opinion.
Sucks that we won't have him for this week's games and probably the BET, but it's all about March 21 on for Kolek and the rest of this group.
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2024, 08:47:44 AM
I'm starting to feel good about TK being back for the NCAA tournament. No inside info, just reading between the lines and forming an opinion.
Sucks that we won't have him for this week's games and probably the BET, but it's all about March 21 on for Kolek and the rest of this group.
MU -
Here is my take on it. The next two regular season games mean more to the team and resume than the BET. In my opinion if we do not have Kolek 100% for the BET you rest him and go in with the mindset that the BET is a glorified scrimmage on Koleks behalf. This doesn't mean we done send the rest of the team out there to win, more or less the tournament is meaningless for getting a better seed. If we win the next two our 2 seed is all but cemented. I'm fine with going 1-1 in the BET and resting for the big dance. I would love nothing more than to win the BET again but when it comes to health you need to look at the BET as almost a preseason game.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 05, 2024, 08:52:19 AM
MU -
Here is my take on it. The next two regular season games mean more to the team and resume than the BET. In my opinion if we do not have Kolek 100% for the BET you rest him and go in with the mindset that the BET is a glorified scrimmage on Koleks behalf. This doesn't mean we done send the rest of the team out there to win, more or less the tournament is meaningless for getting a better seed. If we win the next two our 2 seed is all but cemented. I'm fine with going 1-1 in the BET and resting for the big dance. I would love nothing more than to win the BET again but when it comes to health you need to look at the BET as almost a preseason game.
I agree that the BET isn't the main focus this season, nor should it be. I'm glad we got the banner(s) last season, proud of it, and I know that whoever plays in MSG will represent MU well. But when you have a team that has legitimate national title aspirations, that takes precedence over everything else.
As for what I'd be "fine with" record-wise this week and in the BET, it doesn't really matter because it doesn't affect the team at all. But if I really have to choose something I'd be fine with ... I'd be fine with our players suffering no other injuries or illnesses between now and April 9.
82
I'm with you. Get the guys healthy for 4/9.
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2024, 08:47:44 AM
I'm starting to feel good about TK being back for the NCAA tournament. No inside info, just reading between the lines and forming an opinion.
Sucks that we won't have him for this week's games and probably the BET, but it's all about March 21 on for Kolek and the rest of this group.
I think he'll absolutely give it a go. That said he would be out about a month in this scenario. We're in an extremely tenuous situation and it down right sucks.
If Marquette's docs say he can play in the BET, and Shaka's on board, I have no problem with Tyler playing in the BET.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 05, 2024, 09:12:38 AM
If Marquette's docs say he can play in the BET, and Shaka's on board, I have no problem with Tyler playing in the BET.
It'll probably be more along the lines of "he's good to go but there's X% he'll aggravate it by coming back. Hold him out one more week to the ncaa tournament and that drops to y%"
Hypothetical numbers but if it's 25% chance he aggravates the injury in week 2 (BE tournament) and 15% he aggravates it by playing in week 3 id prefer he wait till week 3.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 05, 2024, 09:20:14 AM
It'll probably be more along the lines of "he's good to go but there's X% he'll aggravate it by coming back. Hold him out one more week to the ncaa tournament and that drops to y%"
Hypothetical numbers but if it's 25% chance he aggravates the injury in week 2 (BE tournament) and 15% he aggravates it by playing in week 3 id prefer he wait till week 3.
This is where I am. it sems logical that the risk of reinjury would be greater if plays in the BET. Note that Sultan's post started with "if".
We are all guessing as we do not know the specifics of the injury. It is entirely possible that the physicians know more than we do. ;D
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 05, 2024, 09:12:38 AM
If Marquette's docs say he can play in the BET, and Shaka's on board, I have no problem with Tyler playing in the BET.
Me too, but he'd really have to be whatever the definition of "fully healed" is for this injury for me to feel good about it.
The BET is a grind. If MU is good enough to advance (and it is, especially with TK), it would have to play, say, Providence, Creighton and UConn within a 50-hour span. That's pretty grueling for a guy coming off an injury serious enough to keep him out of 3 important games.
But you're right in that the only choice all of us have is to trust the medical staff, Shaka and Kolek himself when it comes to TK's playing status. Cuz they ain't gonna ask any of us!
Yea clearly all speculative, but to be completely honest unless he's fully healthy I think it would be best to make the 2v15 or 3v14 game his first game back, giving him just enough minutes to get any rust off.
The familiarity with his teammates is there, one of the benefits of a group playing together for so long, so all you'd really need is 15-20 mins to make some passes, play some defense, and get some shots up.
And yes I'm fully confident that Marquette wins their first game with or without him, I'd just like to see him play enough to get some confidence back that he's healthy for the next one.
Marquette can win game 2 without him too, so his minutes in that one would just depend on his he's feeling and game flow.
Then he gets an extra week to heal up for the sweet16 where he becomes a full go.
That would be the ideal scenario imo
I've seen enough upsets to think we can just let Kolek get rest until the Sweet 16. Are we good enough with everyone else healthy that we can get there? Sure. But we were healthy outside of Kolek's thumb last year and still didn't make the Sweet 16 as a 2 seed. Arizona probably thought they'd be in a Sweet 16 game last year. Same with Purdue.
If the doctors say there's a risk of reaggravation by playing him in the BET, then sit him. But once it gets to the NCAAT, it's go time.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 05, 2024, 10:32:11 AM
I've seen enough upsets to think we can just let Kolek get rest until the Sweet 16. Are we good enough with everyone else healthy that we can get there? Sure. But we were healthy outside of Kolek's thumb last year and still didn't make the Sweet 16 as a 2 seed. Arizona probably thought they'd be in a Sweet 16 game last year. Same with Purdue.
If the doctors say there's a risk of reaggravation by playing him in the BET, then sit him. But once it gets to the NCAAT, it's go time.
Gonna need to be.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 05, 2024, 10:32:11 AM
I've seen enough upsets to think we can just let Kolek get rest until the Sweet 16. Are we good enough with everyone else healthy that we can get there? Sure. But we were healthy outside of Kolek's thumb last year and still didn't make the Sweet 16 as a 2 seed. Arizona probably thought they'd be in a Sweet 16 game last year. Same with Purdue.
If the doctors say there's a risk of reaggravation by playing him in the BET, then sit him. But once it gets to the NCAAT, it's go time.
Totally agree with you, wades.
A team with 3 NBA players, including a Hall of Famer, needed Diener to play out of his mind to avoid losing to Holy Cross as a 3-seed. Our first Big East championship team needed a minor miracle (or maybe a major miracle) to avoid losing to Davidson as a 3-seed. A 1-seed and a 2-seed lost in the first round
just last year.
Take
nothing for granted in the NCAA Tournament.
Either Kolek is healthy enough to play big minutes and do what he does, or not.
Quote from: fjm on March 05, 2024, 10:37:17 AM
Gonna need to be.
We know you think he's done for the year.
Quote from: fjm on March 05, 2024, 10:37:17 AM
Gonna need to be.
I appreciate you sharing source information with us since Kolek got hurt. From what you're now hearing, do you think Shaka was only blowing smoke when he expressed optimism about Kolek's recovery and that he's confident Kolek will play "at some point very soon"?
Updates on TK, Oso and Chase from theScore:
https://www.thescore.com/ncaab/news/2860739/marquettes-smart-confident-kolek-plays-again-this-season
MILWAUKEE (AP) — Marquette coach Shaka Smart is optimistic that Tyler Kolek's oblique injury won't knock the 2022-23 Big East player of the year out for the remainder of the season.
Smart acknowledged Tuesday that "barring a miracle," Kolek won't play in the eighth-ranked Golden Eagles' two regular-season games Wednesday against No. 2 UConn (26-3, 16-2 Big East) and Saturday at Xavier (15-14, 9-9). Marquette (22-7, 13-5) had announced Monday that the 6-foot-3 guard wouldn't be available for those games and would be re-evaluated before next week's Big East Tournament in New York.
"We feel very confident that he will be able to play at some point very soon," Smart said Tuesday.
Kolek suffered the injury during a 91-69 victory over Providence on Wednesday. Smart said after the game that Kolek told him he made a pass, twisted his body and felt it. He left the game early in the second half, returned briefly and then left again for good.
The injury caused Kolek to miss Marquette's 89-75 loss at No. 10 Creighton on Saturday. Smart said Tuesday there's a "distinct possibility" that Kolek could return for Marquette's Big East Tournament opener on March 14.
"I'm sure he probably doesn't fully communicate how much it eats him up," Smart said. "He's a guy that, it's hard for him to go a matter of hours without going back to the gym and working on his game. So to go days in a row where he can't really do much is a challenge.
"But at the same time, he verbalized to me that it's good that each day he's able to do a little bit more. He was on the bike yesterday. He lifted weights today. So he's making progress towards coming back, which is awesome."
Kolek has 7.6 assists per game to lead all Division I players, and he also averages 15 points and 4.7 rebounds per game. That follows a 2022-23 season in which Kolek was an Associated Press All-America third-team selection while helping Marquette win the Big East's regular-season and tournament titles.
Smart also indicated Oso Ighodaro should be available for Wednesday's game with UConn after an illness prevented him from playing at Creighton. Ighodaro has a team-high 7.3 rebounds per game and is the Golden Eagles' third-leading scorer with 14 points per game.
"He's feeling much better," Smart said. "He had a really tough flu bug and literally wasn't able to leave the hotel when we got on the bus to go to the Creighton game. But he's doing much better. He practiced yesterday."
Chase Ross, who averages 6.5 points and 20.9 minutes, played against Creighton but also wasn't feeling well that day. Smart said Ross didn't practice Monday but is expected to practice Tuesday.
Who said it was an oblique injury? I didn't hear any doctor. It was a chest strain. Nobody says anything more than that. Be cautious. Of course we all want to see MU win every game. And we're going to see Uconn on senior night, and Xavier, and then the Big East Tournament.
But don't jeopardize Tyler's play before the real tournament. He's going to be there. You don't need to panic or give up your hope and say you don't really expect as much anymore. The team believes and Tyler believes and that's all you should be confident about. Believe in what you see as true. Be confident. Believe in resilience. Yes, I believe. I just know.
Quote from: oilcan on March 05, 2024, 09:32:46 PM
Who said it was an oblique injury? I didn't hear any doctor. It was a chest strain. Nobody says anything more than that. Be cautious. Of course we all want to see MU win every game. And we're going to see Uconn on senior night, and Xavier, and then the Big East Tournament.
But don't jeopardize Tyler's play before the real tournament. He's going to be there. You don't need to panic or give up your hope and say you don't really expect as much anymore. The team believes and Tyler believes and that's all you should be confident about. Believe in what you see as true. Be confident. Believe in resilience. Yes, I believe. I just know.
Ty oilcan. I really hope you are correct.
Quote from: oilcan on March 05, 2024, 09:32:46 PM
Who said it was an oblique injury? I didn't hear any doctor. It was a chest strain. Nobody says anything more than that. Be cautious. Of course we all want to see MU win every game. And we're going to see Uconn on senior night, and Xavier, and then the Big East Tournament.
But don't jeopardize Tyler's play before the real tournament. He's going to be there. You don't need to panic or give up your hope and say you don't really expect as much anymore. The team believes and Tyler believes and that's all you should be confident about. Believe in what you see as true. Be confident. Believe in resilience. Yes, I believe. I just know.
Thank you board prophet
Shaka said it was an oblique injury.........just because he didn't elaborate today doesn't change what was said immediately after the injury.
Shaka " he injured a muscle in his oblique "
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/02/29/marquette-guard-tyler-kolek-suffered-oblique-injury-vs-providence/72788847007/
As Sultan said......if the doctor clear him he will play......if they don't he won't......
I'd be more confident if a Marquette dentist cleared him, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 06, 2024, 05:22:04 AM
I'd be more confident if a Marquette dentist cleared him, aina?
well done doc!
that's cuz us guys know ball man!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on March 06, 2024, 05:42:42 AM
well done doc!
that's cuz us guys know ball man!
Trade Giannis
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 06, 2024, 05:22:04 AM
I'd be more confident if a Marquette dentist cleared him, aina?
...isn't the oblique being treated by a periodontist, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 06, 2024, 05:22:04 AM
I'd be more confident if a Marquette dentist cleared him, aina?
...if.a dental hygienist checked him out, ran all the tests, did all the work, and then a dentist came into the room long enough to pencil whip some forms....
Quote from: Viper on March 06, 2024, 08:15:20 AM
...isn't the oblique being treated by a periodontist, hey?
Nope. By a grammarian.