Looking ahead, what are the odds/percentages that Tyler and Oso return next season?
ZERO
Quote from: Afroman on January 25, 2024, 10:22:53 AM
Looking ahead, what are the odds/percentages that Tyler and Oso return next season?
No way, no how
I believe Oso already has stated that this will be his last college season. Kolek hasn't, but I'd agree with the others that it's doubtful he returns.
I'll go with 0.0000001% for Oso (hey, anyone can change one's mind) and <5% for Kolek.
Quote from: Afroman on January 25, 2024, 10:22:53 AM
Looking ahead, what are the odds/percentages that Tyler and Oso return next season?
the NBA needs a slow pg that can't go right. TK gone, brah
Tyler did an interview with Fanta where he alluded to not coming back and how traveling now he's trying to take each stadium in and at the beginning of the year he didn't really think about it because he had the option. So I'd wager very small chance Tyler comes back unless he's told he's not making any money in the nba and he desperately wants a masters degree.
We don't really ever seem to catch a break when it comes to good players returning for another year. The badgers, on the other hand, have two 4th year "juniors" averaging double figures who will 100% be back.
Going to enjoy the rest of this season with Kolek and Oso and then cheer them on in the NBA next year.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 25, 2024, 11:03:57 AM
We don't really ever seem to catch a break when it comes to good players returning for another year. The badgers, on the other hand, have two 4th year "juniors" averaging double figures who will 100% be back.
Going to enjoy the rest of this season with Kolek and Oso and then cheer them on in the NBA next year.
Those UW guys will be back because they won't be in the NBA.
The UW-Mad teams are older than a lot of NBA teams.
Oso less than 1%. He's already said he's gone and i can't imagine him changing his mind.
Tyler less than 50%. I think it's likely he'll get drafted in the second round and it being a weak draft class probably means he goes. But i could see him deciding to stay if he gets feedback that he is only borderline
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 25, 2024, 11:14:03 AM
Oso less than 1%. He's already said he's gone and i can't imagine him changing his mind.
Tyler less than 50%. I think it's likely he'll get drafted in the second round and it being a weak draft class probably means he goes. But i could see him deciding to stay if he gets feedback that he is only borderline
Do you think Oso is a 1st round pick?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2024, 11:36:44 AM
Do you think Oso is a 1st round pick?
I do Muggsy. Even though you meant that question for the knower.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 25, 2024, 11:36:44 AM
Do you think Oso is a 1st round pick?
Oso might be a lottery pick by the time the Draft comes around.
Oso will be in the NBA next year.
There's a better chance that Kolek returns unless he knows he'll get drafted.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 25, 2024, 11:41:20 AM
Oso will be in the NBA next year.
There's a better chance that Kolek returns unless he knows he'll get drafted.
I don't like this as an MU fan, but if TK is back in college for another year it will be because he is trying to maximize his earnings potential. I doubt that means returning to our team.
Just a guess, but that's probably how I would think about it if I were him.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 25, 2024, 11:41:20 AM
Oso will be in the NBA next year.
There's a better chance that Kolek returns unless he knows he'll get drafted.
He may take his chances regardless of whether or not he "knows he'll get drafted." He's 23, and while we hear of many NBA players with long careers, I think most have much shorter ones. As much as I would love to see him back, it is probably in his best interests to move on and hope for the best as a pro, wherever that may be
Yeah I think he will be at the end of an NBA bench, but regardless its not like an additional year of College will improve him as a prospect.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 25, 2024, 11:43:07 AM
I don't like this as an MU fan, but if TK is back in college for another year it will be because he is trying to maximize his earnings potential. I doubt that means returning to our team.
By what? Going to Duke, Kansas or Kentucky? Hmmm.
This seems like an unusually weak nba draft. I'm just wondering if Oso can develop a face up J? I think his overall skill-set should be enough to find a spot.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 25, 2024, 11:03:57 AM
We don't really ever seem to catch a break when it comes to good players returning for another year. The badgers, on the other hand, have two 4th year "juniors" averaging double figures who will 100% be back.
Going to enjoy the rest of this season with Kolek and Oso and then cheer them on in the NBA next year.
It's called the '23/'24 season.
A jumper would certainly help. It won't be developed at MU. I used to think it was a necessity. Now I think that everything else he does will be enough.
Oso gone.
Kolek...not so sure. He's not a guarantee in the NBA, though I think he has a spot. He said he wants to stay here as long as he can because of the belief Shaka has in him...with Sean hurt and 1 scholarship open...I think Shaka has it set up that way for a reason. Could go either way.
Not that it comes as any surprise, but when did Oso announce this was his last year?
Quote from: Markusquette on January 25, 2024, 02:14:43 PM
Not that it comes as any surprise, but when did Oso announce this was his last year?
Here is a tweet from Ben Steele on 10/7/23. Follow up tweet says that he thinks he is in a one year grad program. Not sure if anyone has anything more definitive.
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Oso Ighodaro said he got NBA feedback from the Marquette coaches but decided not to enter the draft process because of "unfinished business."
As for his extra season of eligibility, he doesn't anticipate using it but obviously nothing needs to be decided in October. #mubb
Oso will be gone. If he continues to play in manner he did last night, he is definitely a first round pick.
Kolek probably gone. Some team take a chance in second round, then he does the G-League assignment. Can never tell how he develops. Doesn't seem like an overseas guy. More like an assistant coach gig in future. But probably makes more with NIL, then G-League.
Kam. Question mark. Now that his buddies are leaving, does he go/transfer or does he become the bigman on campus?
If he enters combine/draft, does some team take a chance as free agent, or gets advice at combine.
Gold. No way drafted or signed as free agent and he can't play center. He would have two fouls in first five minutes. That role to Amadou or Hamilton. Gold's role will remain the same, Ross/Joplin/Mitchell forwards, hope he enjoys it.
Sean Jones. ACL for athlete is 10-12 months recovery and won't be rushed back. He lost for next year?
Three freshmen. It always happens, one usually goes, who it is will be determined.
The roster will be extremely changed at end of year and very young, unless Shaka goes against his transfer portal philosophy. Looking forward to the big swingmen freshmen for next year, hope they get some time. Will be very interesting.
Quote from: nyg on January 25, 2024, 02:38:28 PM
Oso will be gone. If he continues to play in manner he did last night, he is definitely a first round pick.
Kolek probably gone. Some team take a chance in second round, then he does the G-League assignment. Can never tell how he develops. Doesn't seem like an overseas guy. More like an assistant coach gig in future. But probably makes more with NIL, then G-League.
Kam. Question mark. Now that his buddies are leaving, does he go/transfer or does he become the bigman on campus?
If he enters combine/draft, does some team take a chance as free agent, or gets advice at combine.
Gold. No way drafted or signed as free agent and he can't play center. He would have two fouls in first five minutes. That role to Amadou or Hamilton. Gold's role will remain the same, Ross/Joplin/Mitchell forwards, hope he enjoys it.
Sean Jones. ACL for athlete is 10-12 months recovery and won't be rushed back. He lost for next year?
Three freshmen. It always happens, one usually goes, who it is will be determined.
The roster will be extremely changed at end of year and very young, unless Shaka goes against his transfer portal philosophy. Looking forward to the big swingmen freshmen for next year, hope they get some time. Will be very interesting.
Changed sure but I count two seniors (three if Kam stays) and two juniors Ross & Gold. Different team sure but not young.
Quote from: nyg on January 25, 2024, 02:38:28 PM
Oso will be gone. If he continues to play in manner he did last night, he is definitely a first round pick.
Kolek probably gone. Some team take a chance in second round, then he does the G-League assignment. Can never tell how he develops. Doesn't seem like an overseas guy. More like an assistant coach gig in future. But probably makes more with NIL, then G-League.
Kam. Question mark. Now that his buddies are leaving, does he go/transfer or does he become the bigman on campus?
If he enters combine/draft, does some team take a chance as free agent, or gets advice at combine.
Gold. No way drafted or signed as free agent and he can't play center. He would have two fouls in first five minutes. That role to Amadou or Hamilton. Gold's role will remain the same, Ross/Joplin/Mitchell forwards, hope he enjoys it.
Sean Jones. ACL for athlete is 10-12 months recovery and won't be rushed back. He lost for next year?
Three freshmen. It always happens, one usually goes, who it is will be determined.
The roster will be extremely changed at end of year and very young, unless Shaka goes against his transfer portal philosophy. Looking forward to the big swingmen freshmen for next year, hope they get some time. Will be very interesting.
Its far from just you. But people are wayyyyyyyyy overrating the liklihood that Kam leaves. Could he? Sure.
Pro? Thats almost impossible at this point. He doesnt currently have a position as a way inconsistent shooter that would be undersized at that role and hasnt proven himself as a PG type.
Transfer? Uhh maybe someone throws him the bag. But still unlikely he leaves.
Hes been a huge culture guy and loving it here. People mention that the reason could be TK and Oso leaving. Does everyone forget that he actually came in with Stevie and Jop?? And that him and Stevie committed together and literally stayed in contact and chose to remain committed together? Shaka preaches togetherness so there are a lot of friends on the team, but from everything I've heard Stevie would be the "buddy leaving" that would most likely factor for Kam.
Lastly, no Oso and TK? Kam your table is fully ready. A system and culture he already knows? And next year he would be the true alpha. That is how he showcases to the league. Especially with SJ out for a while or all year. Kam will run the show a lot I imagine.
He could leave, but its not nearly as likely as everyone is randomly making it sound.
Oso is a goner, but I could see Kolek returning depending on some circumstances.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 25, 2024, 02:43:04 PM
Changed sure but I count two seniors (three if Kam stays) and two juniors Ross & Gold. Different team sure but not young.
The young players will have to play significant time, that's what I should have implied. The current young guys playing due to the injuries and exception of one Lowery game, not so good. Again, should be very interesting come April.
PG Hero, I didn't say Kam is leaving, but like I stated, a question mark and only speculative options, not facts. There are always surprises. Always.
Quote from: nyg on January 25, 2024, 03:00:30 PM
The young players will have to play significant time, that's what I should have implied. The current young guys playing due to the injuries and exception of one Lowery game, not so good. Again, should be very interesting come April.
PG Hero, I didn't say Kam is leaving, but like I stated, a question mark and only speculative options, not facts. There are always surprises. Always.
Correct. And thats why I said its not just you. I know you are not saying hes gone.
My point is more so, Kam is more of a question mark the way every player this day in age is with portal/NIL/gleauge.
Just like Jop could be gone, possible. It just isnt likely at all.
Quote from: nyg on January 25, 2024, 02:38:28 PM
Kolek...Doesn't seem like an overseas guy.
Kolek reminds me a lot of Diener...and Diener had a pretty decent run oversees. I suspect that of Kolek doesn't land on an NBA or G League roster he'll end up playing oversees somewhere.
Hopefully, TKo is smart enough to not punch a tackling dummy, thereby flushing a season. Hopefully Shaka is always able to have guard depth enough to overcome such silliness.
Quote from: nyg on January 25, 2024, 02:38:28 PM
Oso will be gone. If he continues to play in manner he did last night, he is definitely a first round pick.
Kolek probably gone. Some team take a chance in second round, then he does the G-League assignment. Can never tell how he develops. Doesn't seem like an overseas guy. More like an assistant coach gig in future. But probably makes more with NIL, then G-League.
Kam. Question mark. Now that his buddies are leaving, does he go/transfer or does he become the bigman on campus?
If he enters combine/draft, does some team take a chance as free agent, or gets advice at combine.
Gold. No way drafted or signed as free agent and he can't play center. He would have two fouls in first five minutes. That role to Amadou or Hamilton. Gold's role will remain the same, Ross/Joplin/Mitchell forwards, hope he enjoys it.
Sean Jones. ACL for athlete is 10-12 months recovery and won't be rushed back. He lost for next year?
Three freshmen. It always happens, one usually goes, who it is will be determined.
The roster will be extremely changed at end of year and very young, unless Shaka goes against his transfer portal philosophy. Looking forward to the big swingmen freshmen for next year, hope they get some time. Will be very interesting.
It really won't be that young. We'll be starting all upper classmen, including 3 seniors (Kam, Stevie, Jop, Chase, Ben). Sean will be back towards the early part of the season and will be a junior off the bench. You need 2 more to fill out your rotation. I think Zaide is showing he should be a regular contributor next year as a sophomore. So you need one of Tre, Al, Caedin, Royce, or Damarius to be the 8th man, and/or you go out and get a transfer.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2024, 03:33:24 PM
Hopefully, TKo is smart enough to not punch a tackling dummy, thereby flushing a season. Hopefully Shaka is always able to have guard depth enough to overcome such silliness.
And hopefully Shaka is smart enough not to have tackling dummies at a basketball practice.
Bottom line, if Tyler leaves with Jones injured, MU will definitely need a transfer point guard as Mitchell, Kam are not points and Norman has not shown enough to hand him the keys.
Maybe. There's a lot of time between now and November. The offseason is usually good for a few surprises. Not high on my worry list right now in January though.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 25, 2024, 04:24:12 PM
Maybe. There's a lot of time between now and November. The offseason is usually good for a few surprises. Not high on my worry list right now in January though.
Hopefully some good surprises!
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 25, 2024, 04:20:56 PM
Bottom line, if Tyler leaves with Jones injured, MU will definitely need a transfer point guard as Mitchell, Kam are not points and Norman has not shown enough to hand him the keys.
You guys really haven't caught on yet huh?
1) Shaka isn't looking ahead to next year at this point
but
2) when that time comes, I assure you that Tre Norman will get every opportunity to be the starting point guard. Him 'not showing enough' in your eyes doesn't disqualify him for a position Shaka recruited him for and has said he will be an All Conference player at.
Kolek, Kam, Stevie, Oso, OMax, Joplin, Sean, Chase, Ben they were all unknowns before Shaka utilized them in the best ways he has seen fit. Tre, Zaide, and Al will be no different if they all stay. Culture is real and it has only gotten stronger year by year. No reason to believe that won't continue.
A smart team would draft both of them and let them run the pick and roll.
I think we are over-optimistic on most of these posts. Oso cannot shoot and doesn't give much rim protection. Late first / early 2nd. Long G league tenure until he learns to shoot. Then a chance as a versatile switching big.
Kolek will get drafted 2nd round because he's viewed as too slow. On the right team, he already has NBA ready vision, court awareness, and turnover levels. He could be the 2nd pg on a bad team (Podziemski?) but wouldn't get much playing time on a good team. IMHO, higher NBA ceiling than Oso, because he has a position, has the size for the position, and has no glaring deficiencies like "can't shoot".
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 25, 2024, 04:31:22 PM
You guys really haven't caught on yet huh?
1) Shaka isn't looking ahead to next year at this point
but
2) when that time comes, I assure you that Tre Norman will get every opportunity to be the starting point guard. Him 'not showing enough' in your eyes doesn't disqualify him for a position Shaka recruited him for and has said he will be an All Conference player at.
Kolek, Kam, Stevie, Oso, OMax, Joplin, Sean, Chase, Ben they were all unknowns before Shaka utilized them in the best ways he has seen fit. Tre, Zaide, and Al will be no different if they all stay. Culture is real and it has only gotten stronger year by year. No reason to believe that won't continue.
Both can be true. I'm sure Norman will be given opportunities, but I would also hope that we're not putting all of our eggs in that basket. There's a reason why the saying "always be recruiting" is a thing. I'm very high on Norman and certainly wouldn't write him off, but having multiple options is never a bad thing.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 25, 2024, 04:32:06 PM
A smart team would draft both of them and let them run the pick and roll.
I think we are over-optimistic on most of these posts. Oso cannot shoot and doesn't give much rim protection. Late first / early 2nd. Long G league tenure until he learns to shoot. Then a chance as a versatile switching big.
Kolek will get drafted 2nd round because he's viewed as too slow. On the right team, he already has NBA ready vision, court awareness, and turnover levels. He could be the 2nd pg on a bad team (Podziemski?) but wouldn't get much playing time on a good team. IMHO, higher NBA ceiling than Oso, because he has a position, has the size for the position, and has no glaring deficiencies like "can't shoot".
Oso is not overly optimistic. Multiple draft guys have him mid 1st round.
Quote from: WarriorFan on January 25, 2024, 04:32:06 PM
A smart team would draft both of them and let them run the pick and roll.
I think we are over-optimistic on most of these posts. Oso cannot shoot and doesn't give much rim protection. Late first / early 2nd. Long G league tenure until he learns to shoot. Then a chance as a versatile switching big.
Kolek will get drafted 2nd round because he's viewed as too slow. On the right team, he already has NBA ready vision, court awareness, and turnover levels. He could be the 2nd pg on a bad team (Podziemski?) but wouldn't get much playing time on a good team. IMHO, higher NBA ceiling than Oso, because he has a position, has the size for the position, and has no glaring deficiencies like "can't shoot".
I'm going to disagree on most of this. Oso has so much potential because of his athleticism and basketball IQ. You can teach guys to shoot, but you can't make them better athletes.
The only question regarding Kam can only be answered by Kam. If I were him I would be doing deep self evaluation after the season and honestly determine if I am capable of being the man without TK and Oso. If yes, I am back otherwise I would transfer to school that I would be the second or third guy on a very good team. I think he has more to lose coming back without the other two guys.
As for Kolek playing overseas, I think he would be instant star playing in Europe. He is flashy player with an edge and I think he would be a fan favorite instantly.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 25, 2024, 04:31:22 PM
You guys really haven't caught on yet huh?
1) Shaka isn't looking ahead to next year at this point
but
2) when that time comes, I assure you that Tre Norman will get every opportunity to be the starting point guard. Him 'not showing enough' in your eyes doesn't disqualify him for a position Shaka recruited him for and has said he will be an All Conference player at.
Kolek, Kam, Stevie, Oso, OMax, Joplin, Sean, Chase, Ben they were all unknowns before Shaka utilized them in the best ways he has seen fit. Tre, Zaide, and Al will be no different if they all stay. Culture is real and it has only gotten stronger year by year. No reason to believe that won't continue.
Pretty sure the SJ injury threw a wrench into his plans.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 25, 2024, 04:41:15 PM
Oso is not overly optimistic. Multiple draft guys have him mid 1st round.
I watched Oso up close last night - first time I had seen him play in person and I was in the 5th row. Super impressed, both on the offensive and defensive end.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 25, 2024, 11:09:16 AM
Those UW guys will be back because they won't be in the NBA play professionally anywhere.