Was going with Stevie, but too many defensive lapses. Oso.
100% Stevie. Only guy who was playing basketball for the entire game.
And I hate Stevie.
Was going to go Stevie but gotta go Tyler (even with the missed FTs). 15/6/11 line.
The defense. Good contributions from the freshmen as well. Length matters
Tyler forfeited SOTG at the foul line.
Mods,
Can you combine 'em?
Oso.....Stevie didnt box out at several key moments.
Stevie Mitchell
I nominate nolongerwarriors.
Came up with a critical halftime New Topic Post from the bathroom with coffeecake face.
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Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:18:47 PM
Tyler forfeited SOTG at the foul line.
3 straight missed free throws in clutch time.
Absolutely.
Gotta go with Stevie. His back to back buckets going into the half were huge, and he was very disruptive defensively..despite a couple of lapses.
12 points on 6 of 8 shooting, 6 rebounds and 3 steals. Stud.
Tough one. I'll pick Stevie.
Like Stevie. He had some D lapses which for him is odd. But our starters were tired. They played a lot. Jop had lapses, we stepped out of bounds, threw the ball out of bounds a few times etc.
I'm good with Stevie!
Stevie Mitchell
Not perfect but he kept us in the game & then build the lead ... which they all but gave away.
Stevie despite some lapses at the end - 2 huge buckets at the end of the first half to keep us in the game and then he was the key to getting the lead.
Stevie for his hustle with a big assist from Zaide who had some quality minutes in this game with 2 huge hoops.
Ill go with Mitchell.
But spurt of the game was Lowery. He came in, had an offensive dunk rebound, caused a turnover on next possession and then made a crucial three pointer, believe putting MU up double digits.
Quote from: nyg on January 20, 2024, 01:32:33 PM
Ill go with Mitchell.
But spurt of the game was Lowery. He came in, had an offensive dunk rebound, caused a turnover on next possession and then made a crucial three pointer, believe putting MU up double digits.
Zaide needs to get more minutes, especially while Chase is out.
Mitchell despite rebounding lapse at end
There have been a couple of recent games where talk was all about not appreciating Kolek enough because others were being nominated for SoG.
Same is probably true about Oso.
Hardly any nominations so far for a guy who had 17 points (on 8/10 shooting), 5 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals and only 1 TO ... and whose dominance of Soriano led to Pitino having to bench his best player for long stretches.
Did any Marquette player, from beginning to end, really have a more positive influence on this game, offensively and defensively, than Oso did?
Oso played a terrific game. Honorable mention to Stevie.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 01:40:52 PM
There have been a couple of recent games where talk was all about not appreciating Kolek enough because others were being nominated for SoG.
Same is probably true about Oso.
Hardly any nominations so far for a guy who had 17 points (on 8/10 shooting), 5 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals and only 1 TO ... and whose dominance of Soriano led to Pitino having to bench his best player for long stretches.
Did any Marquette player, from beginning to end, really have a more positive influence on this game, offensively and defensively, than Oso did?
Totally fair and great point regarding shutting down Soriano. Happens to both him and Tyler in these threads. I voted for Tyler but Stevie and Oso just as easily deserve it.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 20, 2024, 01:13:49 PM
100% Stevie. Only guy who was playing basketball for the entire game.
And I hate Stevie.
What the hell?
Stevie.
Oso for stud, stevie just slightly behind him.
Tough call between Oso, TK and Stevie.
Stevie for defense.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 01:57:40 PM
He's always spoken highly of you.
Hating Stevie is one of the most bizarre Scoop takes ever, which is saying something.
Oso for STOG
Stevie for DOTG
I gotta go Oso - after those shooting woe games early in the season, dude has just been super solid night in and night out.
Tyler's double-double great - but missing clutch FTs no bueno. And, hasn't he forgotten he plays in the big east? He kept moaning for calls - once or twice at the expense of getting back down the floor. Our guys were literally being thrown to the floor away from the ball. And then he did get the cheapy touch foul late and missed the FTs.
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Stevie got MU back in the game after they were down big... with his OFFENSE!
Tko eliminated from contention for missed FT's in the final minutes.
Oso had a great game.
I go with Stevie.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 20, 2024, 01:13:49 PM
100% Stevie. Only guy who was playing basketball for the entire game.
And I hate Stevie.
Really. Then explain how he was torched by Jenkins. Participation trophy?
Quote from: rgoode57 on January 20, 2024, 01:43:12 PM
Oso played a terrific game. Honorable mention to Stevie.
This where I'm at, and I love Stevie. Oso too good on the defensive end.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2024, 02:53:38 PM
Really. Then explain how he was torched by Jenkins. Participation trophy?
Definitely don't know ball
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2024, 02:53:38 PM
Really. Then explain how he was torched by Jenkins. Participation trophy?
Thanks, Winnie
Should be Oso because he's met the challenge every time we've played an elite big man on the other side. Looking forward to him schooling Clingan.
OSO Big at both ends
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on January 20, 2024, 03:22:29 PM
OSO Big at both ends
Oso has alway been big he is 6'-11" with shoes?
Love Stevie to death, but a lot of defensive screwups today.
Gang, I may be the only one who believes this but I'd give the Stud to Ben Gold. His defense on the last play forced an alteration of trajectory that led to a miss by St. John's.
Yeah, I know it is only one play but without last second defense by Gold, we have no stud.
Ben came up when it mattered on a day when defense mattered!
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 20, 2024, 04:33:25 PM
Gang, I may be the only one who believes this but I'd give the Stud to Ben Gold. His defense on the last play forced an alteration of trajectory that led to a miss by St. John's.
Yeah, I know it is only one play but without last second defense by Gold, we have no stud.
Ben came up when it mattered on a day when defense mattered!
That was almost as bad as the plays Shaka drew up at the end of the Wisconsin (I think it was) game last year.
Throw it in to Soriano in the back court to look to make the down court pass? How about get the ball to your fastest guard and get him downhill. Force MU to defend a fast moving player and force the refs to have to decide whether to make a call, or get to the rim.
Throwing it in to Soriano to pass it to a streaking guard is straight out of the KO vs Kentucky playbook. Brilliant press break technique.
Gold is moving much better over the last few games. He needs something good to happen
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 05:09:07 PM
Throwing it in to Soriano to pass it to a streaking guard is straight out of the KO vs Kentucky playbook. Brilliant press break technique.
Gold is moving much better over the last few games. He needs something good to happen
That's not what they did though. They threw it to a stationary Soriano at the free throw line, who took 2 dribbles, and then threw it to a guy at the 3 point line.
Soriano messed up.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 06:12:38 PM
So MU didn't win the game?
I thought that since we usurped them, that meant we won. No?
TK imo
Stevie was great for stretches. Oso was very good. But TK gets him those looks.
As Dauster said on field of 68 that second half(mostly the first 15 min) was possibly the best hes ever played for us.
Even with the free throw flubs 15/11/6 playing the entire second half is hard to overlook
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:18:47 PM
Tyler forfeited SOTG at the foul line.
I agree with this given he was making 94% of his free throws.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 05:09:07 PM
Throwing it in to Soriano to pass it to a streaking guard is straight out of the KO vs Kentucky playbook. Brilliant press break technique.
It's ironic that you bring this up here, bc the other component of that O'Neill press break was devised to stop Pitino's Wildcats in 1994. When in doubt, call Lute and ask him the best way to foil Kentucky's press. O'Neill's former superior at Arizona responded, "have Tony (Miller, MU's stellar point guard) attack the biggest man on their press."
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 21, 2024, 12:10:22 PM
TK imo
Stevie was great for stretches. Oso was very good. But TK gets him those looks.
As Dauster said on field of 68 that second half(mostly the first 15 min) was possibly the best hes ever played for us.
Even with the free throw flubs 15/11/6 playing the entire second half is hard to overlook
With all due respect to Dauster - who, unlike me and others here, hasn't seen every second of Marquette basketball these last 3 years - Kolek has had better games while also not missing critical FTs.
I'll stick with Oso for making himself available for those passes, and for blocking 3 shots, and for adding Soriano to the list of ballyhooed bigs he's outplayed.
Strong cases for Stevie, Tyler and Oso.
Stevie had the most critical plays on both sides of the ball and harassed Jenkins into 6 turnovers...but he had some significant defensive/rebounding lapses late.
Tyler easily had the best stat line and Oso doesn't have his success without Kolek..but he had three brutal free throw misses in crunch time, hard to call that studly.
Oso missed his first shot and then hit 8 of his next 9 and put in his usual fantastic defense on the other end.
I think I'd order them Oso, Stevie, Tyler but really any of them are worthy.
Am alright with Stevie Oso or Tyler
Oh sure, just go with the high scorer! ;D
Nice to have games where the SOTG could be multiple players.
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 22, 2024, 11:45:31 AM
Oh sure, just go with the high scorer! ;D
Nice to have games where the SOTG could be multiple players.
That will be after winning the national championship.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 22, 2024, 11:49:06 AM
That will be after winning the national championship.
When Scoopers say something like, "Too close, a tie between Oso, Kam and Tyler" or "Just give it to Shaka," I always roll my eyes.
But after we win the national title game, I'll be good with "Everyone's The Stud!"
Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2024, 12:52:07 PM
When Scoopers say something like, "Too close, a tie between Oso, Kam and Tyler" or "Just give it to Shaka," I always roll my eyes.
But after we win the national title game, I'll be good with "Everyone's The Stud!"
And when MU82 says "I expect to win this game, but I won't be shocked if we don't!" or "I expect to win every game, but I don't make predictions," I always roll my eyes.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 22, 2024, 02:06:03 PM
And when MU82 says "I expect to win this game, but I won't be shocked if we don't!" or "I expect to win every game, but I don't make predictions," I always roll my eyes.
Ouch. That really hurts me.
Sorry that you can't see the difference in this case between an expectation (the fan of an excellent team goes into every game expecting his team to perform well enough to win) and a prediction (forecasting a 39-0 record for the team, which I'd never do because it's unrealistic).
And of course, neither of those has anything to do with a playful comment about the SoG if we win a natty, but you be you. Go punch a puppy or something.
Mods are back on track
Appears for the second game in a row Shaka's Domino of the Game goes to the non-leading scorer and non-KenPom MVP. Weird.
Where do you find this?
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2024, 04:24:10 PM
Where do you find this?
MUMBB Instagram account shares Shaka's Instagram post on it.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 22, 2024, 04:22:33 PM
Appears for the second game in a row Shaka's Domino of the Game goes to the non-leading scorer and non-KenPom MVP. Weird.
If SOTG was more timely, Shaka would probably just use that for his DOTG. ;D