Zero talent on MU after those 3.
A .500 conference record would be an achievement next year without Kolek.
I usually don't like your schtick but this is correct. If all three leave it's gonna be a rocky year.
Sorry, I don't see much difference in this years team from last years. We added more guards! We have too many guards. We needed beef down low via transfer, but wait a minute, we don't use the transfer portal, only other teams do and from what I've seen, many have improved.
Maybe not Zero talent... but VERY little talent after top 3
And ... yes ... it's becoming clear that Shaka F'd up by not adding a big and a shooter in the portal
Quote from: AlienWarrior on December 19, 2023, 08:51:13 PM
Sorry, I don't see much difference in this years team from last years. We added more guards! We have too many guards. We needed beef down low via transfer, but wait a minute, we don't use the transfer portal, only other teams do and from what I've seen, many have improved.
It's a guards game.
I don't mind the guards. I mind that they can't shoot consistently.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 19, 2023, 10:09:20 PM
I don't mind the guards. I mind that they can't shoot consistently.
Kolek & Kam?
after watching the Wisconsin, St Thomas, and tonight's game, I am not sure you have to worry about anybody leaving to the NBA...
Point
Just to be clear, do you think there are NBA players on this team or not? I think 4-5 guys have a chance to play in the NBA in the next couple of years and the games you noted does not change my thinking.
There were several games last year when the announcers commented on nba scouts at the game to watch Omax and a good number of scoopers laughed at that. NBA scouts really do not care how MU plays and they are looking at the kids that interest them. Ironically, a couple of those games Omax showed little to the average MU fan and laughing about scouts watching him was easy for those fans.
For the record, I still believe that Ben Gold is the best long term NBA prospect on the team. Time will tell, and MU could use the NBA prospect Ben Gold the rest of the way. He might end up being the difference between a good, very good or great year this year.
Ben Gold? He can't defend anyone, has little quickness and is too inconsistent offensively. If we are hoping for him to save the season...
Honestly I think the chances are greater that he's not on the roster next year than he makes the NBA.
Sultan
I do not think the season needs to be saved and if they want to achieve lofty goals it is going to take everyone.
As for Gold, he has a long way to go but I believe the potential is there. I would be extremely happy if he just got things rolling on offense at this moment.
I think Ben Gold has all of the talent he needs. I think he missed two month of offseason conditioning and skill development. Right now, he needs a confidence boost and a swift kick in the tush.
St. Thomas and Providence guarded Sean like he was a 5'9 Derrick Wilson. Providence didn't even bother rotating when he drove through the lane.
No Longer: Oso, Kam and Stevie (out last night) were Wojo recruits. Need to get Wojo back ASAP before the sky falls.
Goose - right now, Ross and Gold look like they have the either the athleticism, skills, size, and shooting for the NBA. Kolek/Kam/Oso are missing 1 or more of these attributes.
I should have said, don't worry about anybody leaving for the NBA next year. It is possible Kolek/Kam/Oso could leave to go to Europe (or do they stay one more year for NIL money?). If any do leave, there is a huge drop-off right now.
Quote from: Goose on December 20, 2023, 03:34:37 AM
Point
Just to be clear, do you think there are NBA players on this team or not? I think 4-5 guys have a chance to play in the NBA in the next couple of years and the games you noted does not change my thinking.
There were several games last year when the announcers commented on nba scouts at the game to watch Omax and a good number of scoopers laughed at that. NBA scouts really do not care how MU plays and they are looking at the kids that interest them. Ironically, a couple of those games Omax showed little to the average MU fan and laughing about scouts watching him was easy for those fans.
For the record, I still believe that Ben Gold is the best long term NBA prospect on the team. Time will tell, and MU could use the NBA prospect Ben Gold the rest of the way. He might end up being the difference between a good, very good or great year this year.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 07:11:47 AM
I think Ben Gold has all of the talent he needs. I think he missed two month of offseason conditioning and skill development. Right now, he needs a confidence boost and a swift kick in the tush.
St. Thomas and Providence guarded Sean like he was a 5'9 Derrick Wilson. Providence didn't even bother rotating when he drove through the lane.
Completely agree re Ben Gold. It has been so apparent the last several games that teams attack him offensively the second he comes in the game. That leads to fouls and an inability to stay on the court. I'm sure it also affects his overall confidence, which can carry over to the other end. His shot started to fall more, but has been outweighed by being exploited on the other end. We definitely need him to be a big part of boosting things on offense, so hopefully they can find a way to help him on the defensive end so he isn't so easily isolated and taken advantage of. That has to be a brutal feeling getting attacked on D like he does, but there is only one way to stop it....
Point
If those three leave it will be a big drop-off and transfer portal will be needed. There is no doubt in my mind that Oso ends up in the NBA a year from now and likely has a long career. I seriously doubt any guys will leave MU early to go to play in Europe, but never say never. Never thought I would see someone post such an idea and you just did. I guess anything can happen.
Gold has a long way to go to be a fringe NBA prospect let alone a good college player. He's tall but not aggressive or strong. He's pretty mobile and fairly athletic but doesn't really use it to his advantage enough. He's shooting a little better this year thankfully, but I just don't see it with him yet. I wish Amadou had a few more chances to step in and bring some energy and athleticism.
Shame Keeyan Itejere transferred.
He had major hops and looked like an Oso in the making.
I think he could have gotten major minutes this year.
Having a decent year at Northern Kentucky.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684207/keeyan-itejere
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2023, 03:36:24 PM
Shame Keeyan Itejere transferred.
He had major hops and looked like an Oso in the making.
I think he could have gotten major minutes this year.
Having a decent year at Northern Kentucky.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684207/keeyan-itejere
Consider the talent level drop off of the teams he is putting up these pedestrian numbers against and then reevaluate.
Good for Keeyan.
Quote from: Goose on December 20, 2023, 12:32:27 PM
Point
If those three leave it will be a big drop-off and transfer portal will be needed. There is no doubt in my mind that Oso ends up in the NBA a year from now and likely has a long career. I seriously doubt any guys will leave MU early to go to play in Europe, but never say never. Never thought I would see someone post such an idea and you just did. I guess anything can happen.
Will only have two Schollies available if all 3 depart. So two transfers and there is no guarantee those transfers will be impact players and even if they are would they be enough to keep us competitive. Then again Ty and Kam could decide to play one more year.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2023, 03:36:24 PM
Shame Keeyan Itejere transferred.
He had major hops and looked like an Oso in the making.
I think he could have gotten major minutes this year.
Having a decent year at Northern Kentucky.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684207/keeyan-itejere
Lol. No
He's a sub 15% usage & %shots guy. More than half of his makes are dunks, bc he can't shoot (6/18 from the line lol). High to% for what he does, and a sub-12% DR%
Al can do the same
How many teams look the same when the top three players leave? Of course it will be different. And less experienced. Circle of life stuff.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 21, 2023, 06:45:20 AM
Lol. No
He's a sub 15% usage & %shots guy. More than half of his makes are dunks, bc he can't shoot (6/18 from the line lol). High to% for what he does, and a sub-12% DR%
Al can do the same
Will see how Keeyan Itejere entire college career plays out.
Keeyan is averaging 22 minutes per game this year with 4.3 rebound and 7 pts per game. I suspect those numbers will increase throughout his college career as he gets more experience.
I am only saying he could have helped out MU this year.
Also not saying no need to have Al.
Oso's 2nd year was part time duty and primarily dunks. Oso still struggles from the line. Oso has the awesome benefit of Tyler.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 07:58:11 AM
Will see how his entire college career plays out.
Oso's 2nd year was part time duty and primarily dunks. Oso still struggles from the line. Oso has the awesome benefit of Tyler.
Or maybe Oso is just a lot better.
That could be the case.
But as I said this is only Keeyan Itejere 2nd year and will only get better and could have helped MU.
Sorry if I had to make you defensive.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 07:58:11 AM
Will see how Keeyan Itejere entire college career plays out.
Keeyan is averaging 22 minutes per game this year with 4.3 rebound and 7 pts per game. I suspect those numbers will increase throughout his college career as he gets more experience.
I am only saying he could have helped out MU this year.
Also not saying no need to have Al.
Oso's 2nd year was part time duty and primarily dunks. Oso still struggles from the line. Oso has the awesome benefit of Tyler.
Could have helped with what? Clean up minutes? NKUs def 2fg% is 54.1%, #290 in the nation.
This is Keeyan's third year in college. Like Oso, he entered THIS season at 21 years of age.
Oso's second year was a platoon and less than 40% of his makes were dunks. Oso issshooting 62.7% from the line, or almost double Keeyan.
KI's got a 5.4 fc/40 rate.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 07:58:11 AM
I am only saying he could have helped out MU this year.
No. Keeyan wouldn't be contributing anything to a top 10 team. Al pretty clearly has more basketball talent than Keeyan, and he gets walk-on minutes.
Ok, so it sounds like Oso, Ben and David will get it done on the front court this year.
They've been pretty good so far. Solid record. Beat some of the top big men. Stay healthy, gentlemen.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 09:31:23 AM
Ok, so it sounds like Oso, Ben and David will get it done on the front court this year.
Okay, but that isn't what you said.
I thought I was saying Keeyan may have been able to help.
Posters replied they didn't think so.
My experience when someone does not think an individual could help is because they have it covered well enough.
Example:
Can I help?
Answer:
No I am good.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 21, 2023, 09:19:02 AM
No. Keeyan wouldn't be contributing anything to a top 10 team. Al pretty clearly has more basketball talent than Keeyan, and he gets walk-on minutes.
Top 15? I kid
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 09:57:34 AM
I thought I was saying Keeyan may have been able to help.
Posters replied they didn't think so.
My experience when someone does not think an individual could help is because they have it covered well enough.
He's a great kid, but the guys we have are significant upgrades over him.
I thought Keeyan would help last year. That proved to be one my less accurate predictions. I think he has a chance by his senior year to be a 10-8 guy in that league.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 09:57:34 AM
I thought I was saying Keeyan may have been able to help.
Posters replied they didn't think so.
My experience when someone does not think an individual could help is because they have it covered well enough.
Example:
Can I help?
Answer:
No I am good.
That's an odd experience you've had
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on December 19, 2023, 08:45:17 PM
Zero talent on MU after those 3.
A .500 conference record would be an achievement next year without Kolek.
No it isn't.. Stevie mitchell is right there with those three..and people are starting to figure it out.
Frankly, Marquette would be better if only those three took the floor.
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on December 21, 2023, 11:29:04 AM
Frankly, Marquette would be better if only those three took the floor.
Get that cloning going!
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2023, 12:31:38 PM
Get that cloning going!
Right...but then which one don't you play 2 of? I'd go Tyler, Tyler, Kam, Kam, Oso. But that might be too small at the 4. So 2 Osos? But then maybe not enough shooting. 5 Tylers?
Keeyan with another outing last night. In 23 minutes, collected 1 rebound (defensive), a turnover and three fouls. 0/3 from the field, but 2 points scored on free throws in a 36-point loss. Oh, what could have been!
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 22, 2023, 11:20:51 AM
Keeyan with another outing last night. In 23 minutes, collected 1 rebound (defensive), a turnover and three fouls. 0/3 from the field, but 2 points scored on free throws in a 36-point loss. Oh, what could have been!
Can you start a thread like Herm and gives us daily updates, please
Hey, Keeyan doesn't look like the solution off the bench.
How about this guy?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432188/dawson-garcia
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 22, 2023, 12:29:58 PM
Hey, Keeyan doesn't look like the solution off the bench.
How about this guy?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432188/dawson-garcia
As junior soprano repeatedly said, he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Let's start Tre or Zaide tonight and go back to bringing Chase off the bench. Let the frosh play minutes that matter. Let Chase go back to being an energy generator off the bench.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 20, 2023, 07:02:39 AM
Ben Gold? He can't defend anyone, has little quickness and is too inconsistent offensively. If we are hoping for him to save the season...
Honestly I think the chances are greater that he's not on the roster next year than he makes the NBA.
we have alignment
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2023, 07:11:47 AM
I think Ben Gold has all of the talent he needs. I think he missed two month of offseason conditioning and skill development. Right now, he needs a confidence boost and a swift kick in the tush.
St. Thomas and Providence guarded Sean like he was a 5'9 Derrick Wilson. Providence didn't even bother rotating when he drove through the lane.
Gold is what he is. Slow. No D. Line drive 3. Maybe there will be a jump up next season. I'm not counting on it.
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Let's start Tre or Zaide tonight and go back to bringing Chase off the bench. Let the frosh play minutes that matter. Let Chase go back to being an energy generator off the bench.
Are we sure that Ross will be at full strength tonight or if he will be able to play at all? It wouldn't be the first time that a player returned to a game after suffering an injury but was then significantly worse the next day. 3 days is not a lot of time to recover from a significant ankle sprain.
I think there is a good chance that Norman and/or Lowery are going to be playing more than usual tonight and not just in mop up duty (if there is any).
When I get to the game the first thing I'll be looking at is whether Mitchell and Ross are suited up and look like they are ready to play.
I assume Ross will play until I hear otherwise.
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2023, 02:13:37 PM
I assume Ross will play until I hear otherwise.
How long before the ND game did you hear that Mitchell wouldn't be playing?
He pulled his hamstring the day before.
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
Let's start Tre or Zaide tonight and go back to bringing Chase off the bench. Let the frosh play minutes that matter. Let Chase go back to being an energy generator off the bench.
Have you seen enough to realize these freshman are not very good right now, Tre is a step slow, really playing the off guard, and Zaide can play some D, but has
shown nothing on the offensive end. Add Al, and there will be tons of development on these 3 kids to play next year. If Kam leaves, they better bring in 2 transfers
in the portal to play right away. I do not see these kids making that big a jump. Add the 3 sophs, who are just Ok, and you will need some new bodies. Also, everybody should stop thinking Ben will go pro ,I just hope he can play some, right now he is just a defensive liability, plays like a 3. Frontline of Jop, Gold, and Chase or Mitchell, pretty weak. Add no point guard right now for next year, Jones is just a spot player due to his size, and MU is back in the pack in the Big East. Last 2 recruiting years have been at best a C. Maybe some will leave to open a spot or two, needs to bring in better talent. New freshman have to play right away, and what is the word on Caedin after 4 months here?
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2023, 02:13:37 PM
I assume Ross will play until I hear otherwise.
He's transferring according to Jom Rothstein
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 22, 2023, 02:49:11 PM
Have you seen enough to realize these freshman are not very good right now, Tre is a step slow, really playing the off guard, and Zaide can play some D, but has
shown nothing on the offensive end. Add Al, and there will be tons of development on these 3 kids to play next year. If Kam leaves, they better bring in 2 transfers
in the portal to play right away. I do not see these kids making that big a jump. Add the 3 sophs, who are just Ok, and you will need some new bodies. Also, everybody should stop thinking Ben will go pro ,I just hope he can play some, right now he is just a defensive liability, plays like a 3. Frontline of Jop, Gold, and Chase or Mitchell, pretty weak. Add no point guard right now for next year, Jones is just a spot player due to his size, and MU is back in the pack in the Big East. Last 2 recruiting years have been at best a C. Maybe some will leave to open a spot or two, needs to bring in better talent. New freshman have to play right away, and what is the word on Caedin after 4 months here?
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Quote from: BCHoopster on December 22, 2023, 02:49:11 PM
Have you seen enough to realize these freshman are not very good right now, Tre is a step slow, really playing the off guard, and Zaide can play some D, but has
shown nothing on the offensive end. Add Al, and there will be tons of development on these 3 kids to play next year. If Kam leaves, they better bring in 2 transfers
in the portal to play right away. I do not see these kids making that big a jump. Add the 3 sophs, who are just Ok, and you will need some new bodies. Also, everybody should stop thinking Ben will go pro ,I just hope he can play some, right now he is just a defensive liability, plays like a 3. Frontline of Jop, Gold, and Chase or Mitchell, pretty weak. Add no point guard right now for next year, Jones is just a spot player due to his size, and MU is back in the pack in the Big East. Last 2 recruiting years have been at best a C. Maybe some will leave to open a spot or two, needs to bring in better talent. New freshman have to play right away, and what is the word on Caedin after 4 months here?
I will say these are the two most tentative first year guards in Shaka's three seasons. I never give up on freshmen, rhough. Starting one in Stevie's place makes perfect sense to me. Stevie's game is defense, moving the ball and cutting to the basket on offense. Tre and Zaide are both capable of that. And Chase gets to come in at the first media timeout and change the energy. Think Erik Williams and Crowder.
Plus, it is Georgetown. Try something, just to stir things up.
I doubt it happens, but it would be interesting.
What is Kam's pregame fit lookin like?!
Quote from: tower912 on December 22, 2023, 02:28:58 PM
He pulled his hamstring the day before.
I know that, but the first time I knew he wasn't playing was when I got to the game and saw that he wasn't in the starting lineup.
With Ross we know he got hurt badly enough to have to be helped off the court. So, I think it's reasonable to question whether he will be at full strength or out tonight.
Ross toughed it out the remainder of the Providence game. He was clearly limping in the 2nd half.
Hope he is doing better.
Quote from: wisblue on December 22, 2023, 04:02:44 PM
I know that, but the first time I knew he wasn't playing was when I got to the game and saw that he wasn't in the starting lineup.
You need better sources me boi
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 22, 2023, 04:04:45 PM
You need better sources me boi
I don't claim to have sources. That's why I'm asking.
Quote from: wisblue on December 22, 2023, 04:11:38 PM
I don't claim to have sources. That's why I'm asking.
Where is the source when needed
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 22, 2023, 12:29:58 PM
Hey, Keeyan doesn't look like the solution off the bench.
How about this guy?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4432188/dawson-garcia
Teal?
BC
Chase Ross, Ben Gold and Sean Jones is a C? I am sorry but I completely disagree. As for this year, way too early for me to be giving a grade.
I was saying to my son at the game, Kolek is almost 23 and Oso almost 22, they should be better than the young guys.
I know you are not high on Ben Gold and I could not disagree more. He is 6-11 and caught three passes and never had dribble or adjust for the shot. He is going to be a very, very good player.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2023, 03:36:24 PM
Shame Keeyan Itejere transferred.
He had major hops and looked like an Oso in the making.
I think he could have gotten major minutes this year.
Having a decent year at Northern Kentucky.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684207/keeyan-itejere
6.6 pts in 22 mpg for Northern Kentucky isnt exactly "major minutes" for MU territory. Whose minutes is he taking?? Not Bens.
Quote from: Goose on December 22, 2023, 09:32:54 PM
BC
Chase Ross, Ben Gold and Sean Jones is a C? I am sorry but I completely disagree. As for this year, way too early for me to be giving a grade.
I was saying to my son at the game, Kolek is almost 23 and Oso almost 22, they should be better than the young guys.
I know you are not high on Ben Gold and I could not disagree more. He is 6-11 and caught three passes and never had dribble or adjust for the shot. He is going to be a very, very good player.
Ben is a much better player playing the 4 with Oso. Best game of the year, game changed today because of him, he will never be a force at the 5. Took Chase's place because he was doing nothing, Sean Jones is just to small, great defender. I just hope one of the other bigs can play center next year.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on December 19, 2023, 08:45:17 PM
Zero talent on MU after those 3.
A .500 conference record would be an achievement next year without Kolek.
You are no doubt t an unhappy rodent. Please go back onto your burrow.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 22, 2023, 02:49:11 PM
Have you seen enough to realize these freshman are not very good right now, Tre is a step slow, really playing the off guard, and Zaide can play some D, but has
shown nothing on the offensive end. Add Al, and there will be tons of development on these 3 kids to play next year. If Kam leaves, they better bring in 2 transfers
in the portal to play right away. I do not see these kids making that big a jump. Add the 3 sophs, who are just Ok, and you will need some new bodies. Also, everybody should stop thinking Ben will go pro ,I just hope he can play some, right now he is just a defensive liability, plays like a 3. Frontline of Jop, Gold, and Chase or Mitchell, pretty weak. Add no point guard right now for next year, Jones is just a spot player due to his size, and MU is back in the pack in the Big East. Last 2 recruiting years have been at best a C. Maybe some will leave to open a spot or two, needs to bring in better talent. New freshman have to play right away, and what is the word on Caedin after 4 months here?
I'll start my bitchin now about the forthcoming loss to Wiscy, hey
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2023, 03:36:24 PM
Shame Keeyan Itejere transferred.
He had major hops and looked like an Oso in the making.
I think he could have gotten major minutes this year.
Having a decent year at Northern Kentucky.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4684207/keeyan-itejere
He is a stiff compared to Amadou.
Quote from: Viper on December 23, 2023, 07:59:35 AM
I'll start my bitchin now about the forthcoming loss to Wiscy, hey
Bitch about about the one 2030. Because we are clearly not in on the right 8th graders.
Quote from: bilsu on December 23, 2023, 08:41:05 AM
He is a stiff compared to Amadou.
Thank you Scoopers for your insightful comments.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 23, 2023, 09:11:41 AM
Thank you Scoopers for your insightful comments.
You're welcome