1. Kolek is the gold standard. He reminded us that 'oh, yeah, he's a first team all American.' If he doesn't play tonight, MU loses by 20.
2. MU did everything right but missed a lot of good looks. (Robin Leach voice) I don't know why. (I have an idea. Later)
3. Keeping up with the Joneses was easy early. They got better.
4. Kept hoping for Chase to get going. No Rolls Ross.
5. Joplin misery (Missouri) on offense. Illinois face guarded his 3 pt looks and celebrated when he drove.
6. Some swag in that Illinois Goode bag.
7. 4 guard sets were a luxury MU could not afford tonight. Illinois is too big.
Enough. The jokes were fun.
8. MU shot from distance like it was their first road game of the season in a venue they had never seen before.
9. Hack an Oso is coming.
10. Gold was the best sophomore tonight.
11. MU beat a ranked team on the road in an absolute grind. Seashells, balloons, diamonds, pearls.
...and caviar dreams
Great win in a tough environment.
Kolek delivers.
Shaka's move to go to Sean and Ben in place of Stevie and Jop changed the momentum in the second half.
Hell of a road win. We were the better team, but we missed a lot of easy looks and they hit a few prayers. That's a recipe for letting one slip a way. The fact that we didn't, on the road against a top 25 team, is a testament to how good this team can be.
Huge win. Lots to work on yet they beat a ranked team on the road in a hostile environment. Huge win.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2023, 09:15:46 PM
Hell of a road win. We were the better team, but we missed a lot of easy looks and they hit a few prayers. That's a recipe for letting one slip a way. The fact that we didn't, on the road against a top 25 team, is a testament to how good this team can be.
That pretty much sums it up. Great win.
Yeah it should be pretty scary for the rest of our schedule that we just won a top 25 road game and overall looked pretty bad.
Best part for us is the "bad" was really all self inflicted missing easy shots/plays had nothing to do with a lack of talent or being exposed.
So ready for Maui. Not ready for 10:30 pm TIP.
Great road win. Illinois is a really good defensive team.
We learned a lot about this year's rotation tonight.
1st half defense was as good as I can remember.
Kolek showed us the results of his non dominant hand work over the summer. Makes a huge difference . Excellent performance by a First Team All American.
The rest of the team has room for improvement, which I think will come now that they got this game out of their system.
Great reminder. We're elite, but that's not far from being "pretty good"
Quote from: Jockey on November 14, 2023, 09:17:59 PM
Great road win. Illinois is a really good defensive team.
We learned a lot about this year's rotation tonight.
1st half defense was as good as I can remember.
We made their defense look better than it is with a lot of easy misses.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 14, 2023, 09:21:17 PM
We made their defense look better than it is with a lot of easy misses.
Would argue their defense is that good, and we made our offense look more pedestrian than it is with a lot of open misses
Kolek said..what ankle? And dropped a game
I thought Illinois was pretty impressive. Very athletic and long. Marquette still controlled this one with nobody but TKO firing on all cylinders.
lets go to HI and make some noise!
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2023, 09:13:20 PM
1. Kolek is the gold standard. He reminded us that 'oh, yeah, he's a first team all American.' If he doesn't play tonight, MU loses by 20.
2. MU did everything right but missed a lot of good looks. (Robin Leach voice) I don't know why. (I have an idea. Later)
3. Keeping up with the Joneses was easy early. They got better.
4. Kept hoping for Chase to get going. No Rolls Ross.
5. Joplin misery (Missouri) on offense. Illinois face guarded his 3 pt looks and celebrated when he drove.
6. Some swag in that Illinois Goode bag.
7. 4 guard sets were a luxury MU could not afford tonight. Illinois is too big.
Enough. The jokes were fun.
8. MU shot from distance like it was their first road game of the season in a venue they had never seen before.
9. Hack an Oso is coming.
10. Gold was the best sophomore tonight.
11. MU beat a ranked team on the road in an absolute grind. Seashells, balloons, diamonds, pearls.
...and caviar dreams
Very COLE on #1....
It was a trap game, but we got by.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 14, 2023, 09:20:22 PM
Great reminder. We're elite, but that's not far from being "pretty good"
MU =Whole is Greater Than Sum of Parts Type Team. Need TyKo to make it all come together. Thankfully he did, cause he is elite. .
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 14, 2023, 09:22:17 PM
Would argue their defense is that good, and we made our offense look more pedestrian than it is with a lot of open misses
First two minutes we barely missed out on 11 points. We gave them chances. Eff their defense
This is a great win to get on our resume. There were a lot of Scoopers who penciled this in as a loss. It's going to be a fun season.
What were rebounding numbers tonight? Felt like Marquette was pretty good on the boards tonight.
Big time minutes from Gold. Didn't score, but looked very good defensively.
Big big win to set the tone - Kolek is a dog - gonna need more from many folks but it will come - Jop, still wish there was more athleticism there but just play your game bud
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 14, 2023, 09:28:53 PM
This is a great win to get on our resume. There were a lot of Scoopers who penciled this in as a loss. It's going to be a fun season.
COLE 👀
We are terrible at 3 on 1 transition. That was like 12-16 pts we just failed to convert.
Good win on the road. I hope Jop and Stevie figure out their 3 pt stroke soon.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2023, 09:29:43 PM
What were rebounding numbers tonight? Felt like Marquette was pretty good on the boards tonight.
Big time minutes from Gold. Didn't score, but looked very good defensively.
Fairly even. I'll take it all night (pawz)
Marquette Worrior crowd was wrong :)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 14, 2023, 09:28:53 PM
This is a great win to get on our resume. There were a lot of Scoopers who penciled this in as a loss. It's going to be a fun season.
We win against a good team, and our three point shooting and free throw shooting stunk it up. And we won! Go Maquette!!
Aside from the zone stretch early, the defense was very good tonight. Illinois' lack of point guard play killed them. This is our first high-major road win in November since 2003. That's not a typo, it's been 20 years since we did this. These games are hard and we generally had control for most of the game. Excellent win. Very proud of the team tonight.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2023, 09:29:43 PM
What were rebounding numbers tonight? Felt like Marquette was pretty good on the boards tonight.
Big time minutes from Gold. Didn't score, but looked very good defensively.
He hit one of our few 3s...
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2023, 09:29:43 PM
What were rebounding numbers tonight? Felt like Marquette was pretty good on the boards tonight.
Big time minutes from Gold. Didn't score, but looked very good defensively.
Actually Gold scored 3 pts.
Here is the Box Score
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401574573
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2023, 09:34:28 PM
Aside from the zone stretch early, the defense was very good tonight. Illinois' lack of point guard play killed them. This is our first high-major road win in November since 2003. That's not a typo, it's been 20 years since we did this. These games are hard and we generally had control for most of the game. Excellent win. Very proud of the team tonight.
A great great win. The effort was relentless throughout. Proud of the team and coaches. Great win!
Great game plan to attack and defend the paint. MU only shot 17 threes versus 33 for the Illini. MU won three of the four factors and ORB% was close. Benny with 7 rebounds in 17 minutes. Illini shot just 37% from two.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 14, 2023, 09:35:07 PM
He hit one of our few 3s...
I thought Gold was really solid on the boards.
Mentioned it in a group chat during the game, but Ben's rebounding is so improved this year. He's really securing the ball well, clearing out strong with his elbows, and making sure he has control before passing it off. Incredible off-season improvement from a guy who was below 10% defensive rebounding a year ago.
Defensively, Illinois made their last two-point field goal with 11:22 in the game. We absolutely locked them down defensively. Their entire offense was Goode threes and Shannon FTs. Their last field goal was at 3:12. This was one of the more impressive defensive performances of the Shaka era, especially with how they used defense to lock down the win.
brew
Many of their big wins last season had 5-10 minute stretches of lockdown defense to change the game and it was a big part of their success. Tonight was another example of locking down when needed.
This team rules
Most remarkable takeaway is how little dropoff there is, and in some cases an improvement, when we go to the bench. It's pretty nuts
Quote from: NickelDimer on November 14, 2023, 09:48:20 PM
Most remarkable takeaway is how little dropoff there is, and in some cases an improvement, when we go to the bench. It's pretty nuts
+1 the backcourt is DEEP
Quote from: NickelDimer on November 14, 2023, 09:48:20 PM
Most remarkable takeaway is how little dropoff there is, and in some cases an improvement, when we go to the bench. It's pretty nuts
When SJ leans into his strengths, he has a chance to be a really, really good point guard
Quote from: panda on November 14, 2023, 09:45:26 PM
This team rules
Enough from the stat nerds. I like this analysis
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2023, 09:40:15 PM
Illinois made their last two-point field goal with 11:22 in the game.
Seriously? Holy crap.
Ben is far and away our best rebounder, which may have him in a lot of close games in the 2nd half. Can't get stops if you can't rebound.
Very disappointing effort from Joplin tonight. Looked like a deer caught in the headlights unfortunately. Hopefully he settles in as the year goes along. Sean crapped the bed with that double dumb TO / And 1 in the first half, but got comfortable and contributed in the second half.
But it all comes down to Tyler and Kam. They stepped up while Coleman Hawkins played a truly piss poor game as a senior.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2023, 09:34:28 PM
Aside from the zone stretch early, the defense was very good tonight. Illinois' lack of point guard play killed them. This is our first high-major road win in November since 2003. That's not a typo, it's been 20 years since we did this. These games are hard and we generally had control for most of the game. Excellent win. Very proud of the team tonight.
I'm assuming this is because Wisconsin is considered the low major of the midwest.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on November 14, 2023, 10:00:25 PM
Seriously? Holy crap.
In that last 11:22, they only made two field goals, the Goode three over Oso (which should've been challenged better, but alas) and that deeeeep Shannon three. The rest of the points were at the FT line. We outscored them 21-12 during that time. In the words of the immortal Chris Farley, "that was awesome." ;D
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 14, 2023, 10:01:10 PMVery disappointing effort from Joplin tonight. Looked like a deer caught in the headlights unfortunately.
Jop had some moments tonight. I thought his defense was pretty good. He had some strong rebounds, though once he gets the ball he doesn't seem to know what to do with it (that one turnover was really bad). He also needs to diversify his interior game. He's very limited in terms of interior moves and for some reason just cannot dunk. That thing was all but down and still bounced out. If he can't find more consistency, I'm guessing we'll see Gold and Chase eat into his minutes.
Shot under 30 percent from 3 , slightly outrebounded and only had 10 bench points - on the road against a ranked team that seems like a loss unless you're a plodding team and we're certainly not that - Defnese travels baby
I thought Kam made some massive buckets in the second half. He is really a fun player to watch - sweet stroke from deep and silky smooth on the drive.
Still worried about Oso's shoulder. If that popped out and right back in that can be a recurring (and painful) issue. Hope it wasn't just adrenaline and that everything is good there.
Only worry about this team tonight was transition offense. OMax was very good in that department last year. The team was very bad in that department tonight.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Only worry about this team tonight was transition offense. OMax was very good in that department last year. The team was very bad in that department tonight.
Nothing that a couple runs of 3 on 2, 2 on 1 can't fix. It wasn't talent it was decision making. Easy fix for a good coach.
They missed shots tonight that they normally make. So many moments when they were hovering around that 6-7-8 range that if one three-pointer had dropped, it would've changed the complexion of the game. It could've easily ended up being a 15 point victory if a few of those go our way. On the flip side, Illinois was making big threes to keep them in it, but ended up being a bit of fool's gold that hurt them in the end.
The team did a great job of keeping their composure for that brief spurt early in the second half when they closed the gap and then took the lead and got the crowd back in it. Kam and Tyler both came back a few times to make buckets to make sure that they never extended their lead to more than 3, and then the defense locked in for the last 11 minutes.
Quote from: forgetful on November 14, 2023, 10:04:51 PM
I'm assuming this is because Wisconsin is considered the low major of the midwest.
Or because we always play Wisconsin in December.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2023, 10:06:56 PM
Jop had some moments tonight. I thought his defense was pretty good. He had some strong rebounds, though once he gets the ball he doesn't seem to know what to do with it (that one turnover was really bad). He also needs to diversify his interior game. He's very limited in terms of interior moves and for some reason just cannot dunk. That thing was all but down and still bounced out. If he can't find more consistency, I'm guessing we'll see Gold and Chase eat into his minutes.
I am mostly thinking of those two six footers in one possession that he totally whiffed. It struck me as freshman jitters, which is sad to see from a junior. We need him to make the leap if this team is going to compete for a title.
Quote from: NickelDimer on November 14, 2023, 09:48:20 PM
Most remarkable takeaway is how little dropoff there is, and in some cases an improvement, when we go to the bench. It's pretty nuts
I agree that we have a good bench, however, the drop off from TyKo and Kam is very substantial - Oso too, however Gold is the least drop off of any of our bench.
My guess is that Gold will be the biggest impact reserve on the team this year...perhaps maybe even steps into the starting lineup to replace Joplin.
Quote from: warriorchick on November 14, 2023, 10:29:39 PM
Or because we always play Wisconsin in December.
Well, I clearly can't read....
Totally missed the month of November in there.
Thank you for the correction.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 14, 2023, 09:34:28 PM
Aside from the zone stretch early, the defense was very good tonight. Illinois' lack of point guard play killed them. This is our first high-major road win in November since 2003. That's not a typo, it's been 20 years since we did this. These games are hard and we generally had control for most of the game. Excellent win. Very proud of the team tonight.
Lot of talk about how we had our C game. I give a lot of credit to a tough opponent. They had length, real talent and were well coached. Road Games against rugged opponents may make it seem like we are playing our C game, when in actuality we are just playing a very strong team. I felt ,given the totality of the circumstance ,MU played extremely well as whole. Individually Tyler played like an All American, Kam and Oso played like All Big East. The Coaching Staff put everyone in a blender and we got an important quality win.
Jop had a nightmare game. I think the only bucket he had in the second half was the one on that idiotic goaltending play by the Illinois guy on a shot that might not have even hit the rim. We watched those back-to-back 6-foot airballs with amazement - it seemed impossible that those shots could be that bad.
But it's one game. It happens. Every player on this team - including Kolek and Oso - have had horrible games in their Marquette careers. Joplin's capable of going for 20+ next game. And it's also nice that Shaka has other options when one or more of our players struggle.
Overall, we missed some chippies, especially early. And as some have mentioned, our transition offense was unusually poor. But we were outstanding on D just about all night, and we battled a tall, athletic, experienced team even on the boards.
Great road victory for a team that's gonna win a lot of games this season. UCLA, you're next!
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Still worried about Oso's shoulder. If that popped out and right back in that can be a recurring (and painful) issue. Hope it wasn't just adrenaline and that everything is good there.
Only worry about this team tonight was transition offense. OMax was very good in that department last year. The team was very bad in that department tonight.
Your last paragraph is a very good point. Even Chase our most athletic guard is on shorter side and was blocked at the rim because of lack of length and wing span. Omax gets an and 1 or is fouled for two free throws. And as you stated many others were blocked at the rim. Our team is going to have to learn how to run a fast break better and perhaps jump stop when the defense is close behind and let the defender fly by. Will be interesting to watch. Can't give up these easy points.
Quote from: MUMountin on November 14, 2023, 10:22:25 PM
They missed shots tonight that they normally make. So many moments when they were hovering around that 6-7-8 range that if one three-pointer had dropped, it would've changed the complexion of the game. It could've easily ended up being a 15 point victory if a few of those go our way. On the flip side, Illinois was making big threes to keep them in it, but ended up being a bit of fool's gold that hurt them in the end.
The team did a great job of keeping their composure for that brief spurt early in the second half when they closed the gap and then took the lead and got the crowd back in it. Kam and Tyler both came back a few times to make buckets to make sure that they never extended their lead to more than 3, and then the defense locked in for the last 11 minutes.
Yep. Agreed.
We had a C offensive game but defensively that was at least a B+, possibly even an A. Balance it out to a B game.
I mean, they coaxed a team that ranked 335th in 3P% last season into shooting 33 threes and only 27 twos. Clearly an intentional strategy by Shaka and they executed it perfectly. No way Illinois was going to win settling for that many treys.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 14, 2023, 11:21:18 PM
We had a C offensive game but defensively that was at least a B+, possibly even an A. Balance it out to a B game.
I mean, they coaxed a team that ranked 335th in 3P% last season into shooting 33 threes and only 27 twos. Clearly an intentional strategy by Shaka and they executed it perfectly. No way Illinois was going to win settling for that many treys.
Agree 100%.
Need to change your screen name to wadesworrier.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Still worried about Oso's shoulder. If that popped out and right back in that can be a recurring (and painful) issue. Hope it wasn't just adrenaline and that everything is good there.
Only worry about this team tonight was transition offense. OMax was very good in that department last year. The team was very bad in that department tonight.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 14, 2023, 11:21:18 PM
We had a C offensive game but defensively that was at least a B+, possibly even an A. Balance it out to a B game.
I mean, they coaxed a team that ranked 335th in 3P% last season into shooting 33 threes and only 27 twos. Clearly an intentional strategy by Shaka and they executed it perfectly. No way Illinois was going to win settling for that many treys.
It's beyond refreshing to have a coach with an intelligent game plan and the ability to get his guys to execute after seven years of Wojo.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on November 14, 2023, 11:57:28 PM
It's beyond refreshing to have a coach with an intelligent game plan and the ability to get his guys to execute after seven years of Wojo.
Let it go
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TAMU
I thought Shaka was outstanding last night. The defense looked extremely good and they frustrated Illinois. Truthfully, the offense was probably better than the score indicated. In the first several minutes they missed five shots in the paint and that set the tone to some degree. They had a lot of open looks again last night.
Couple thoughts:
**Tyler is the best Marquette player since Wade.
**Oso had a strange game. I think he got shoved around and just wasn't able to stay consistent. Same with Kam and his foul trouble.
**The sophomores showed they still have some work to do. Ben's rebounding was awesome though. And Sean's three was huge.
**Joplin's the same guy. He's just not blowing by anyone.
All and all a road win against a top 25 team should always be celebrated.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 14, 2023, 09:29:43 PM
What were rebounding numbers tonight? Felt like Marquette was pretty good on the boards tonight.
Big time minutes from Gold. Didn't score, but looked very good defensively.
It was weird. Felt like we got half of our rebounds off a bounce or on a tip 10 feet from the basket. Whatever gets it done.
Gold looks like a different kid from last year. Just more confident and aggressive. Good to see.
Quote from: Judge Smails on November 14, 2023, 10:15:27 PM
I thought Kam made some massive buckets in the second half. He is really a fun player to watch - sweet stroke from deep and silky smooth on the drive.
+1. He is so much fun to watch.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 14, 2023, 10:49:19 PM
Lot of talk about how we had our C game. I give a lot of credit to a tough opponent. They had length, real talent and were well coached. Road Games against rugged opponents may make it seem like we are playing our C game, when in actuality we are just playing a very strong team. I felt ,given the totality of the circumstance ,MU played extremely well as whole. Individually Tyler played like an All American, Kam and Oso played like All Big East. The Coaching Staff put everyone in a blender and we got an important quality win.
I thought we played very well but just shot poorly. Gang rebounded like we have to, played solid D. Great win.
MU took very few 'bad' shots. Illinois is tough, well coached, and lonnnngggg. Add in a hostile road environment. So, yeah, MU missed shots they expect to make. At this point of the season, everything is a learning and growth opportunity.
But MU still got a road win over a ranked team in a packed and jacked arena. Helluva building block.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 14, 2023, 10:17:41 PM
Still worried about Oso's shoulder. If that popped out and right back in that can be a recurring (and painful) issue. Hope it wasn't just adrenaline and that everything is good there.
Only worry about this team tonight was transition offense. OMax was very good in that department last year. The team was very bad in that department tonight.
Hated to see that with Oso's shoulder. Shades of the injury that bothered Luke Fischer all year. Nunge for X dealt with it last year too. Able to play through it, but very painful.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 14, 2023, 09:36:27 PM
I thought Gold was really solid on the boards.
Gold had 7 boards last night - this is excellent against a top 25 opponent. The extra weight room work Gold put in is paying off.
Great game last night...though I am surprised with the lack of conversation about the refs. Illinois was big, fast, long, but still the refs were letting them bag around last night. Kinda felt like a late '80s NBA game. There was a rebound that Sean was going for in the second half that the a Illinois player grabbed him by both shoulders to hold him back. A ton of over the backs, and though they were "good" hustle plays a few of the blocks on fastbreaks could have been called as well.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on November 15, 2023, 11:01:18 AM
Great game last night...though I am surprised with the lack of conversation about the refs. Illinois was big, fast, long, but still the refs were letting them bag around last night. Kinda felt like a late '80s NBA game. There was a rebound that Sean was going for in the second half that the a Illinois player grabbed him by both shoulders to hold him back. A ton of over the backs, and though they were "good" hustle plays a few of the blocks on fastbreaks could have been called as well.
I definitely questioned that one. Fortunately we got the rebound on that one. It was definitely a rock fight and our guys rose to the challenge.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on November 15, 2023, 11:01:18 AM
Great game last night...though I am surprised with the lack of conversation about the refs. Illinois was big, fast, long, but still the refs were letting them bag around last night. Kinda felt like a late '80s NBA game. There was a rebound that Sean was going for in the second half that the a Illinois player grabbed him by both shoulders to hold him back. A ton of over the backs, and though they were "good" hustle plays a few of the blocks on fastbreaks could have been called as well.
The refs let them play, which I am totally for as compared to Jeff Anderson blowing his whistle every 5 seconds. MU got away with some calls as well; the near end of game inbounds pass to Kolek was a travel. I think it all evened out.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 15, 2023, 11:05:48 AM
The refs let them play, which I am totally for as compared to Jeff Anderson blowing his whistle every 5 seconds. MU got away with some calls as well; the near end of game inbounds pass to Kolek was a travel. I think it all evened out.
I agreed with you on the travel until the slow mo. He was in his dribble by the next step. Illini fans however think this was the greatest injustice of the entire game on the reddit thread.
I recall one play where TK was shoved with two hands while he was shooting and it wasn't called.
Also, there were at least two goaltending calls that were missed.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 15, 2023, 11:08:18 AM
I agreed with you on the travel until the slow mo. He was in his dribble by the next step. Illini fans however think this was the greatest injustice of the entire game on the reddit thread.
Interesting! I will have to go look at the slow mo. Either way, MU took a punch in the face from a VERY physical team and held up. Which is damn encouraging going forward.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 15, 2023, 11:16:16 AM
Interesting! I will have to go look at the slow mo. Either way, MU took a punch in the face from a VERY physical team and held up. Which is damn encouraging going forward.
I might be biased, but that's what I thought on the review. But I got reading glasses for the first time last week, so I might not be as eagle-eyed as I used to be.
Agree! It's nice that this team doesn't shrink when there's a physical team facing us. The guys seem to rise to the occasion.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on November 15, 2023, 11:01:18 AM
Great game last night...though I am surprised with the lack of conversation about the refs. Illinois was big, fast, long, but still the refs were letting them bag around last night. Kinda felt like a late '80s NBA game. There was a rebound that Sean was going for in the second half that the a Illinois player grabbed him by both shoulders to hold him back. A ton of over the backs, and though they were "good" hustle plays a few of the blocks on fastbreaks could have been called as well.
Compare this Pat Driscoll game to that travesty at Providence last year. That's all I'll say as I have been put on a "Pat Driscoll Complaint" hold this season.
I thought the refs were just fine last night. I thought Kam's layup that got called as a foul on the floor could've been an and-1, I agree with the Kolek layup that he got shoved in the back and missed the layup should've been a foul, and I remember the Sean Jones rebounding play. But if there were only 3 calls I can think of that I thought the refs missed, and one was called a foul just not the way I thought it should've been, the refs were pretty good. They let a lot of physical play go, but it was both ways and I'd much prefer that to a whistle fest.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 15, 2023, 11:49:23 AM
I thought the refs were just fine last night. I thought Kam's layup that got called as a foul on the floor could've been an and-1, I agree with the Kolek layup that he got shoved in the back and missed the layup should've been a foul, and I remember the Sean Jones rebounding play. But if there were only 3 calls I can think of that I thought the refs missed, and one was called a foul just not the way I thought it should've been, the refs were pretty good. They let a lot of physical play go, but it was both ways and I'd much prefer that to a whistle fest.
Agree. They were consistent which is the best answer. Having watched a number of games this season, I am liking the changes in the legal guarding position rules. The flops on every possession were ruining the game. See my Driscoll comment.
Yeah I loved last nights officiating.
I laughed at the no call when TK was clearly shoved on a drive but it fit the let them play theme.
Refs were consistent. It wasnt a whistle fest. Only way to have guys in foul trouble(like Kam for some of the 1st half) was to be unlucky in that the few calls happen to be on the same guys.
We were a little off our game around the rim as is, imagine if there was zero flow as well due to whistles.
The refs were fine. I do think it would have advantaged us had they called it tighter but it was pretty even both ways. A few frustrating calls but it was Pat Driscoll, so what can you expect?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 15, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
The refs were fine. I do think it would have advantaged us had they called it tighter but it was pretty even both ways. A few frustrating calls but it was Pat Driscoll, so what can you expect?
They missed a possible goaltending and absolutely missed a 10 second call in favor of Illinois, but other than that it was fine I thought.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 15, 2023, 11:16:16 AM
MU took a punch in the face from a VERY physical team and held up. Which is damn encouraging going forward.
I completely agree with this. I also completely disagree with those saying MU brought their C game.
They won on the road against a ranked team that was both long and physical. You don't do that with your C game. That is an insult to the jobs that ShAka and the players did.
Yes. It is fine to admit the other team is good and that their strategies may have impacted how your team played.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 15, 2023, 12:55:59 PM
They missed a possible goaltending and absolutely missed a 10 second call in favor of Illinois, but other than that it was fine I thought.
Might've even been two goaltending calls, and they had to really hack Oso to get him to the line. Some other interior bumps that weren't called, but ultimately okay.
I'm sure Illinois fans think the most egregious missed call was what looked like a pretty obvious travel on Kolek after catching an inbounds pass in the final minute.
If any of you have 15 minutes to kill, this Illinois message board game thread is a treat to read through.
They were in complete awe of Marquette last night. Cool to read an outside perspective while recalling what portion of the game they are commenting on.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/game-thread-illinois-vs-marquette.32761/
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 15, 2023, 02:04:11 PM
If any of you have 15 minutes to kill, this Illinois message board game thread is a treat to read through.
They were in complete awe of Marquette last night. Cool to read an outside perspective while recalling what portion of the game they are commenting on.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/game-thread-illinois-vs-marquette.32761/
"This uniform combination is going to fry my corneas."
He's not wrong
Some great comments
Kolek in German means "Jordan." Sheesh.
I'd like to have a transition offense like Marquette.
This team in yellow appears to be pretty gosh darn good. We need to pay attention to details on defense.
Wow, Marquette is good. They're as good as Kansas, for sure.
Tyler Kolek could win a NC for this squad.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 15, 2023, 02:04:11 PM
If any of you have 15 minutes to kill, this Illinois message board game thread is a treat to read through.
They were in complete awe of Marquette last night. Cool to read an outside perspective while recalling what portion of the game they are commenting on.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/game-thread-illinois-vs-marquette.32761/
Seems rational compared to a scoop game thread.
Probably due to the lack of badger trolls.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on November 15, 2023, 02:18:37 PM
Some great comments
Kolek in German means "Jordan." Sheesh.
I'd like to have a transition offense like Marquette.
This team in yellow appears to be pretty gosh darn good. We need to pay attention to details on defense.
Wow, Marquette is good. They're as good as Kansas, for sure.
Tyler Kolek could win a NC for this squad.
There is also a "Kolek NPOY!?" comment in there. :)
It is OK to acknowledge the opponent is good and playing well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 15, 2023, 02:04:11 PM
If any of you have 15 minutes to kill, this Illinois message board game thread is a treat to read through.
They were in complete awe of Marquette last night. Cool to read an outside perspective while recalling what portion of the game they are commenting on.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/game-thread-illinois-vs-marquette.32761/
Read two pages. Too many ads.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on November 15, 2023, 02:18:37 PM
Some great comments
Kolek in German means "Jordan." Sheesh.
I'd like to have a transition offense like Marquette.
This team in yellow appears to be pretty gosh darn good. We need to pay attention to details on defense.
Wow, Marquette is good. They're as good as Kansas, for sure.
Tyler Kolek could win a NC for this squad.
My personal favorite was something along the lines of
"This is what Curbelo was supposed to be." Referencing Kolek. Hahahaha
Another good one was "this team looks as good as Kansas" for those worrying.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 15, 2023, 02:55:10 PM
Another good one was "this team looks as good as Kansas" for those worrying.
Well crap. I've heard Kansas doesn't have great shooters. Now I'm really worried.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 15, 2023, 11:05:48 AM
The refs let them play, which I am totally for as compared to Jeff Anderson blowing his whistle every 5 seconds. MU got away with some calls as well; the near end of game inbounds pass to Kolek was a travel. I think it all evened out.
Anything is better than " Mr. High Knees" reffing the game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 15, 2023, 03:05:23 PM
Anything is better than " Mr. High Knees" reffing the game.
Mr Anderson was in Providence last night.
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2023, 09:13:20 PM
1. Kolek is the gold standard. He reminded us that 'oh, yeah, he's a first team all American.' If he doesn't play tonight, MU loses by 20.
2. MU did everything right but missed a lot of good looks. (Robin Leach voice) I don't know why. (I have an idea. Later)
3. Keeping up with the Joneses was easy early. They got better.
4. Kept hoping for Chase to get going. No Rolls Ross.
5. Joplin misery (Missouri) on offense. Illinois face guarded his 3 pt looks and celebrated when he drove.
6. Some swag in that Illinois Goode bag.
7. 4 guard sets were a luxury MU could not afford tonight. Illinois is too big.
Enough. The jokes were fun.
8. MU shot from distance like it was their first road game of the season in a venue they had never seen before.
9. Hack an Oso is coming.
10. Gold was the best sophomore tonight.
11. MU beat a ranked team on the road in an absolute grind. Seashells, balloons, diamonds, pearls.
...and caviar dreams
Biggest concern is the hack an Oso. He needs to covert at a higher clip.
Does kolek have another year of eligibility after this year?
Quote from: HowardsWorld on November 15, 2023, 07:21:48 PM
Does kolek have another year of eligibility after this year?
He is a senior but could choose to take a COVID year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 15, 2023, 02:04:11 PM
If any of you have 15 minutes to kill, this Illinois message board game thread is a treat to read through.
They were in complete awe of Marquette last night. Cool to read an outside perspective while recalling what portion of the game they are commenting on.
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/post/game-thread-illinois-vs-marquette.32761/
My favorite and he's not wrong.
Tyler Kolek looks like an extra from the movie Pleasantville.
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 16, 2023, 06:51:13 AM
My favorite and he's not wrong.
Tyler Kolek looks like an extra from the movie Pleasantville.
My favorite :
"Wow, Marquette is good. They're as good as Kansas, for sure."
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 16, 2023, 06:51:13 AM
My favorite and he's not wrong.
Tyler Kolek looks like an extra from the movie Pleasantville.
I would cast him is one of the Hickory players in "Hoosiers".
Quote from: warriorchick on November 16, 2023, 09:30:27 AM
I would cast him is one of the Hickory players in "Hoosiers".
Saying "I'll make it"?
Quote from: pbiflyer on November 16, 2023, 10:03:14 AM
Saying "I'll make it"?
The Illini fans in my section really didn't think much of Coleman Hawkins.
Audible groans every time he shot a jump shot.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 15, 2023, 07:25:28 PM
He is a senior but could choose to take a COVID year.
Or put another way, the Covid year was excused already for eligibility purposes, therefore his eligibility classification is currently junior. No waiver, special election, etc needed. Already a done deal
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 16, 2023, 11:24:04 AM
Or put another way, the Covid year was excused already for eligibility purposes, therefore his eligibility classification is currently junior. No waiver, special election, etc needed. Already a done deal
Someone should tell the webmaster of Marquette's website because he's listed as a senior.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 16, 2023, 11:28:53 AM
Someone should tell the webmaster of Marquette's website because he's listed as a senior.
FS1 for the game tuesday didnt get the classification memo either
That was a fun read. Lots of great comments by the Illini fans. Let's take care of business against UCLA and then we'll see how we match up with Kansas.
I did laugh at one comment in their post game thread though.
A fan said they win that game if some dude who is redshirting would have played....
Yup a guy who is deemed not ready to play at all this year is so lock down on D he would have stopped our guards(his words).
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 16, 2023, 12:37:33 PM
I did laugh at one comment in their post game thread though.
A fan said they win that game if some dude who is redshirting would have played....
Yup a guy who is deemed not ready to play at all this year is so lock down on D he would have stopped our guards(his words).
So that player they are referring to is Sencire Harris. Harris actually played all freshman year and then year 2 decided to redshirt. The general theme on the board was "Harris could lock down Tyler". Even if that was the case (it isn't) There are so many other guys behind TKO that would have been issues and can score.
https://fightingillini.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/sencire-harris/13954
That thread really highlights how frictionless our offense is. You get used to it watching it every game, but our ball movement and efficiency really stands out to opponents fans.
Watching games not involving MU also highlights it. I hope it can continue post Kolek and Oso.