1. The Huskies will win some games this year IF they keep doing the work. Interesting pieces.
2. 10 MU players saw the floor in the first 12 minutes. Which leads to...
3. Shaka was subbing fast and furious. May as well.
4. Looks like I was wrong about 4 guard sets. Lots of them tonight. I am not yet a fan, but I will have to get used to it.
5. Who else soiled themselves when Joplin went down?
6. The freshmen did not look overwhelmed on defense. Offense can be improved upon. Nice touch pass from Zaide to Ben.
7. Sean and Chase look like they have made the expected leap. Chase even got some run at the point.
8. Switching all 5 with Sean on the floor has not been solved yet. They switch when they can off the ball to get him out of the post, but it is not yet seamless.
9. A very long stretch without TKo, Kam, or Sean on the floor. The offensive flow stagnated a bit. But, this is what early season games are for.
10. MU won. They played 10 for meaningful minutes. Don't focus on MU not pulling away. Next!
MU didn't cover, not a win
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 06, 2023, 09:38:06 PM
MU didn't cover, not a win
What's the deal with this guy today. Yeesh
He is mocking and trolling a subset of scoopdom, all while in high spirits.
We need Oso to get nasty. Meaning he has to aggressively rebound and play with more force consistently on both ends. It's all about our rebounding and interior D if we're going to reach the promised land.
I've missed Tower's recaps. Great stuff!
You are seriously missing the joke when you compare newsdreams to nlw.
Typical cupcake.
MU outclassed them. Game never in doubt but it allowed us to begin to see what we have. Nice win, good team effort.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 06, 2023, 09:41:40 PM
We need Oso to get nasty. Meaning he has to aggressively rebound and play with more force consistently on both ends. It's all about our rebounding and interior D if we're going to reach the promised land.
You're being silly.
nm
or maybe you are missing the joke....
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2023, 09:44:05 PM
You are seriously missing the joke when you compare newsdreams to nlw.
Pluses:
1.Chase Ross looks ready to take a major step forward.
2.Kolek, Oso and Kam are as good as ever.
3.I liked the freshmen, especially Zaide - strong, solid D and good on the glass.
4. Offense hummed when the regulars were in.
Minuses:
1. Rebounding
2. On ball D, especially from Gold and Jop.
3. Stevie's shot looks the same to me.
4. Sean Jones is lightening but too often out of control.
All in all, pretty solid opener.
Cupcake tastes delicious
Looking forward to the next tasty desert
Happy with guys hustle tonight
Stevie with 3 steals is a good thing
How many minutes with Oso and Ben on floor together? 3 or 4?
Quote from: tower912 on November 06, 2023, 09:31:39 PM
1. The Huskies will win some games this year IF they keep doing the work. Interesting pieces.
2. 10 MU players saw the floor in the first 12 minutes. Which leads to...
3. Shaka was subbing fast and furious. May as well.
4. Looks like I was wrong about 4 guard sets. Lots of them tonight. I am not yet a fan, but I will have to get used to it.
5. Who else soiled themselves when Joplin went down?
6. The freshmen did not look overwhelmed on defense. Offense can be improved upon. Nice touch pass from Zaide to Ben.
7. Sean and Chase look like they have made the expected leap. Chase even got some run at the point.
8. Switching all 5 with Sean on the floor has not been solved yet. They switch when they can off the ball to get him out of the post, but it is not yet seamless.
9. A very long stretch without TKo, Kam, or Sean on the floor. The offensive flow stagnated a bit. But, this is what early season games are for.
10. MU won. They played 10 for meaningful minutes. Don't focus on MU not pulling away. Next!
Only notable thing to come out of the game was seeing that Stevie Mitchell didn't work on his shot in the off-season.
There it is.
You should quit whatever you are doing and become your true calling as a basketball analyst.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 06, 2023, 10:05:55 PM
Only notable thing to come out of the game was seeing that Stevie Mitchell didn't work on his shot in the off-season.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 06, 2023, 10:05:55 PM
Only notable thing to come out of the game was seeing that Stevie Mitchell didn't work on his shot in the off-season.
Cuckboy is back
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 06, 2023, 10:05:55 PM
Only notable thing to come out of the game was seeing that Stevie Mitchell didn't work on his shot in the off-season.
NLW:
It would be fun if you participated in the Game by Game prediction thread
MU just moved up to #4. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 06, 2023, 10:20:56 PM
MU just moved up to #4. :)
There's a game on Friday Muggs!
#FTsNoMatta
Lost one of the four factors and MU has Illinois, UCLA, Kansas, and one of three (Purdue, Tennessee, Gonzaga). Really disappointed with the lack of emphasis on rebounding tonight.
Thought a few of those O rebounds in the first half were bad bounces. But the entire defensive effort in that second half was atrocious. Got cooked on the dribble, slow to recover on shooters, gave up too many second chances. Not many "multiple efforts."
Glad to get a win, offense looks like it could be a bunch of fun. But they gotta get some stuff figured out before next week.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 06, 2023, 10:42:51 PM
Thought a few of those O rebounds in the first half were bad bounces. But the entire defensive effort in that second half was atrocious. Got cooked on the dribble, slow to recover on shooters, gave up too many second chances. Not many "multiple efforts."
Glad to get a win, offense looks like it could be a bunch of fun. But they gotta get some stuff figured out before next week.
Our traps weren't particularly effective in the 2H and we constantly got burned on the dribble drive. We do need to clean that up and we can.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on November 06, 2023, 10:05:55 PM
Only notable thing to come out of the game was seeing that Stevie Mitchell didn't work on his shot in the off-season.
Oh fck took my jokes, no trolling available now. Stevie has too many cougars after him...
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 06, 2023, 09:38:06 PM
MU didn't cover, not a win
If I bet MU...I'm not happy with the 2nd half whistle.
Absolutely amazing crowd for a gimme game.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 06, 2023, 10:42:51 PM
Thought a few of those O rebounds in the first half were bad bounces. But the entire defensive effort in that second half was atrocious. Got cooked on the dribble, slow to recover on shooters, gave up too many second chances. Not many "multiple efforts."
Glad to get a win, offense looks like it could be a bunch of fun. But they gotta get some stuff figured out before next week.
Yup, rebounding wasn't great.
You could tell Shaka wasn't particularly happy with the 2H effort.
Defensive intensity was good, but over committed a lot and then didn't crash the boards or get after loose balls the way you'd like to see.
Offense is just so elite that it covers it all up, unlike MSU tonight.
That said, the road to the promised land resides inside those dirty boards.
That offense has so many weapons and is one of the most elite we've ever seen
And Al 's first 8 seconds was awesome - was a great crowd - lots of students and good to see so many players get some decent minutes. Rebounding and block outs still an issue, but it's the first game. Let eat another cupcake Friday then get on with a great test next week at Illinois
Quote from: DoctorV on November 06, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
Yup, rebounding wasn't great.
You could tell Shaka wasn't particularly happy with the 2H effort.
Defensive intensity was good, but over committed a lot and then didn't crash the boards or get after loose balls the way you'd like to see.
Offense is just so elite that it covers it all up, unlike MSU tonight.
That said, the road to the promised land resides inside those dirty boards.
That offense has so many weapons and is one of the most elite we've ever seen
NIU is bad. Sure they have some height, but so do most teams and we made it look like a brawl on the board. I get rebounding isn't a point of emphasis in Shaka's approach but there were a number of times when we were in position and literally just couldn't grab the ball - we may not have super height or strength but we have guys that can jump - for some reason though they just don't sky and grab very well - hopefully it is something that can be improved otherwise I think it could bite us at some key times.
TKO - still seeing some tendency for hero-ball which we really don't need on this team with so many options. That one possession in the first half where he turned his back in the lane and then tried to force up a shot and got blocked was really bad. But his stroke was looking much sweeter - we really need pass-first Tyler back but who can then also make the pay when they sag. With Kam, Chase (and Jop), Tyler should be the 3rd or 4th option when we need a guy to just go get a bucket.
Sean - I love a lot of what he does but he's not a shooter. 3 3FGAs is too many, even against SIU.
But otherwise, lots of encouraging signs. I like the fact that we have 3 or 4 guys who might be able to light it up on any given night. Chase looks legit, but will be interesting to see what he can do against faster competition. Illinois will be a real test but a game we should win if we're a legit top-5 team. And as MSU will tell you - a win is a win!
Gold, Joplin, Sean, and Stevie combined to shoot 1-13 from 3. Still a higher percentage than Sparty.
My favorite play of the night was the Ross lob to a cutting Gold for the dunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0vyRv8TbYY
Shaka post game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjhyklvfYlM
Ben and Sean
Defense and defensive rebounding not so good.
One thing that surprised me was that Sean Jones had trouble staying in front of his man.
Kam Jones is an absolute joy to watch play basketball. Chase Ross looked really good. Could we have back to back 6th man of the year winners in Big East?
I thought he NIU coach did a good job prepping for us. They were ready to jump the passing lanes and had a little success doing it. We are just too much better than they are.
Has any Marquette player in the history of the program had a more exciting play in his first eight seconds on the floor than Al? That was fantastic.
Lack of an aircraft carrier glaring last night
Quote from: DoctorV on November 06, 2023, 11:04:05 PM
Yup, rebounding wasn't great.
You could tell Shaka wasn't particularly happy with the 2H effort.
Defensive intensity was good, but over committed a lot and then didn't crash the boards or get after loose balls the way you'd like to see.
Offense is just so elite that it covers it all up, unlike MSU tonight.
That said, the road to the promised land resides inside those dirty boards.
That offense has so many weapons and is one of the most elite we've ever seen
Doctor V,
How would you utilize Ross and Jones the Younger? I thought both looked very solid but they're playing behind maybe the best backcourt in the country. Is it reasonable that we could play 4 guard line-ups for extended mins?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 07, 2023, 07:30:25 AM
Has any Marquette player in the history of the program had a more exciting play in his first eight seconds on the floor than Al? That was fantastic.
That was awesome as was the spin move that led to the dunk. I think Sean got fouled there.
Quote from: tower912 on November 07, 2023, 05:28:23 AM
Gold, Joplin, Sean, and Stevie combined to shoot 1-13 from 3. Still a higher percentage than Sparty.
If we put James Madison on our uniforms we just might have a shot at beating Sparty.
Quote from: 1SE on November 07, 2023, 05:07:25 AM
NIU is bad. Sure they have some height, but so do most teams and we made it look like a brawl on the board. I get rebounding isn't a point of emphasis in Shaka's approach but there were a number of times when we were in position and literally just couldn't grab the ball - we may not have super height or strength but we have guys that can jump - for some reason though they just don't sky and grab very well - hopefully it is something that can be improved otherwise I think it could bite us at some key times.
TKO - still seeing some tendency for hero-ball which we really don't need on this team with so many options. That one possession in the first half where he turned his back in the lane and then tried to force up a shot and got blocked was really bad. But his stroke was looking much sweeter - we really need pass-first Tyler back but who can then also make the pay when they sag. With Kam, Chase (and Jop), Tyler should be the 3rd or 4th option when we need a guy to just go get a bucket.
Sean - I love a lot of what he does but he's not a shooter. 3 3FGAs is too many, even against SIU.
But otherwise, lots of encouraging signs. I like the fact that we have 3 or 4 guys who might be able to light it up on any given night. Chase looks legit, but will be interesting to see what he can do against faster competition. Illinois will be a real test but a game we should win if we're a legit top-5 team. And as MSU will tell you - a win is a win!
I think you may be the first and only person who has ever considered TKO's style of play as hero ball. Also, I think I'd go Kam and then TKO to go get me a bucket in crunch time. He gets to his spots and is very crafty with his footwork. Jop can't create his own shot, so I'm not going there.
Illinois is a road game in a really tough place to play against a top 20 KenPom team. Nobody "should" win there, top 5 or top 1. Winnable? Yes. But I'd bet we are underdogs.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2023, 07:33:07 AM
Lack of an aircraft carrier glaring last night
Will be interesting how the big dude at UCLA will be deal to deal. He had a monster game last night.
If anyone suggests that Kolek shouldn't be one of the main guys to go to when the team needs a basket, I suggest they rewatch the end of the game at Creighton last season
The least of my worries is Tyler Kolek not playing with chip on his shoulder, followed by him playing hero ball. Now, I do expect him to be a bit more fancy this year and I am fine with that.
As for Chase, I agree with 1SE that he very likely will be playing on the right side of the pond down the road. I still think Gold is the best NBA prospect, but Chase is a dude.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2023, 07:33:07 AM
Lack of an aircraft carrier glaring last night
Yeah, rebounding and interior defense look like it will still be an issue this season. But that's largely a product of how Skaka wants to build his teams.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 06, 2023, 10:53:27 PM
Oh fck took my jokes, no trolling available now. Stevie has too many cougars after him...
😱
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2023, 07:33:07 AM
Lack of an aircraft carrier glaring last night
...but our F22s were on target.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 07, 2023, 08:04:01 AM
Doctor V,
How would you utilize Ross and Jones the Younger? I thought both looked very solid but they're playing behind maybe the best backcourt in the country. Is it reasonable that we could play 4 guard line-ups for extended mins?
I think Chase will average more minutes than Stevie in conference play if he keeps it up, even though he will continue to come off the bench.
We all love Stevie, but as Shaka said you just love having Chase out there for so many reasons. He is effective on both ends and his athleticism will be needed against more elite competition.
Whether he eats up more of Jops minutes or Stevie's depends on the opposing teams size and how those two start the game off or how effective they look, but regardless Chase will get his.
As for Jones the younger and smaller, I'm sure Shaka will have to pick and choose his moments more carefully.
He's perfect against good/organized defenses since his speed and ability to weave thru tight spaces becomes invaluable. He gives Marquette a wrinkle that the other guards don't, and it makes Marquette harder to guard by elite defenses that game plan well to take away Tyler because the team becomes more unpredictable.
Seems like Shaka really likes Tre and what he brings as well, so it'll be trickier for SJ22 to carve out a roll. He's got to get better at giving guys easy buckets, and hitting some open 3s would obviously help. That drive to the hoop last night was nice.
If both Kam and TyKo leave it'll be interesting next season to see a back court trio of Tre, SJ22, and Stevie trying to create and score. It'll be quite the drop off, so I'm hopeful that even though the team doesn't need their scoring this season one of them starts showing a better knack for getting his own.
Sean's attempts from three were all in and out. I believe he had better arc than last year but I may just be hopeful. I think he will get his. And as paint touches just touched on he is creating for others on the court even if they are hockey assists. Looking forward to seeing "the truth" take the next step this year.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 07, 2023, 03:42:34 PM
I think Chase will average more minutes than Stevie in conference play if he keeps it up, even though he will continue to come off the bench.
We all love Stevie, but as Shaka said you just love having Chase out there for so many reasons. He is effective on both ends and his athleticism will be needed against more elite competition.
Whether he eats up more of Jops minutes or Stevie's depends on the opposing teams size and how those two start the game off or how effective they look, but regardless Chase will get his.
As for Jones the younger and smaller, I'm sure Shaka will have to pick and choose his moments more carefully.
He's perfect against good/organized defenses since his speed and ability to weave thru tight spaces becomes invaluable. He gives Marquette a wrinkle that the other guards don't, and it makes Marquette harder to guard by elite defenses that game plan well to take away Tyler because the team becomes more unpredictable.
Seems like Shaka really likes Tre and what he brings as well, so it'll be trickier for SJ22 to carve out a roll. He's got to get better at giving guys easy buckets, and hitting some open 3s would obviously help. That drive to the hoop last night was nice.
If both Kam and TyKo leave it'll be interesting next season to see a back court trio of Tre, SJ22, and Stevie trying to create and score. It'll be quite the drop off, so I'm hopeful that even though the team doesn't need their scoring this season one of them starts showing a better knack for getting his own.
Just on eye test, the defense seemed to stink anytime Stevie went to the bench last night. I don't think he's going to be losing any minutes this year. The offense is going to be elite. Stevie's defense is also elite. We don't need extra offense with the starters out there.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 07, 2023, 04:03:23 PM
Just on eye test, the defense seemed to stink anytime Stevie went to the bench last night. I don't think he's going to be losing any minutes this year. The offense is going to be elite. Stevie's defense is also elite. We don't need extra offense with the starters out there.
I was so impressed by how many balls he managed to tip or alter. No one takes deflections as seriously as Stevie and it's really impressive how he's in the middle of everything on that end of the floor.
I will say it again, if MU is going to make a deep run, Stevie has to play a major role. He is becoming the perfect college basketball player imo.
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2023, 04:35:36 PM
I will say it again, if MU is going to make a deep run, Stevie has to play a major role. He is becoming the perfect college basketball player imo.
100% agree
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2023, 04:35:36 PM
I will say it again, if MU is going to make a deep run, Stevie has to play a major role. He is becoming the perfect college basketball player imo.
Bingo
Agreed
Is 18-22mpg considered a major role?
If so, he's already playing it.
Him and Jop will almost always be 1/2 to the bench from the starters, and Stevie can give way to either of the first two subbed in last night, Chase and SJ22.
No one is doubting his defensive intensity and greatness, it's a complete joy to watch and an ultimate necessity for a championship caliber team.
Doctor
Number of minutes does not mean a great deal to me, playing crunch time minutes does. Playing a major role for a four minute stretch in a key game is major to me. IMO, he is the catalyst on D, much like Omax was last year. Different impact, but both difference makers.
Over the past two seasons everyone has commented, applauded, his D and that was great. I think he goes from a guy we all love to a guy we want on the court.
I'll give you that Goose.
I want Stevie in in any close game at the under 4, because he's a game changer when it comes to stops and his energy carries the team on that end.
However, in the same situation I've gotta have TyKo and Kam in and I've gotta have Oso in.
If Marquette is getting beat up inside or on the glass and giving up size I've gotta have Chase in, and then it comes down to Stevie or Jop. All things being equal I go Stevie, but I can see instances where Jop or Benny will have to be in to match up inside.
Quote from: Goose on November 07, 2023, 04:35:36 PM
I will say it again, if MU is going to make a deep run, Stevie has to play a major role. He is becoming the perfect college basketball player imo.
Goose:
I think Stevie is playing a max role . He goes hard for as many minutes as his body can withstand . My guess is 24 is probably the max . He will be in the game in every key 4 minute interval and then probably strategic offense /defense substitutions in the last minutes like we saw last year
Stevies defense will be critical in our ability to pull off some wins against ranked opponents
Quote from: DoctorV on November 07, 2023, 07:54:57 PM
I'll give you that Goose.
I want Stevie in in any close game at the under 4, because he's a game changer when it comes to stops and his energy carries the team on that end.
However, in the same situation I've gotta have TyKo and Kam in and I've gotta have Oso in.
If Marquette is getting beat up inside or on the glass and giving up size I've gotta have Chase in, and then it comes down to Stevie or Jop. All things being equal I go Stevie, but I can see instances where Jop or Benny will have to be in to match up inside.
I feel it is more likely Chase will eat some of Jop's mintues than Stevie's. Want to see Jop excel yet I sometimes wonder if his limited athleticism negates his shooting talent. Hypothetically, ff Chase is a 33% 3pt shooter and Jop is 40%, is that delta big enough to warrant Jop getting more run than Chase and all he brings athletically/defensively, etc?
Just curious - has anyone seen a shot map for this game?
Quote from: warriorchick on November 07, 2023, 09:50:17 PM
Just curious - has anyone seen a shot map for this game?
Yes. Looks as expected.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 06, 2023, 10:01:21 PM
Pluses:
1.Chase Ross looks ready to take a major step forward.
2.Kolek, Oso and Kam are as good as ever.
3.I liked the freshmen, especially Zaide - strong, solid D and good on the glass.
4. Offense hummed when the regulars were in.
Minuses:
1. Rebounding
2. On ball D, especially from Gold and Jop.
3. Stevie's shot looks the same to me.
4. Sean Jones is lightening but too often out of control.
All in all, pretty solid opener.
All of this. I watched Jop on D exclusively. Meh. The nice thing is we have options with Chase (and Ben).
Sean is lightning quick....but in the Big East it is much more difficult to avoid that block at the rim.
In the practice and scrimmage and the first game, Zaide looks ahead of Tre, but Shaka says Tre...so we will go with that.
Happy to see all frosh score, especially Al with the put back.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 08, 2023, 06:14:42 AM
Yes. Looks as expected.
So is this on the NCAA website for every game? Is it easy to find?
Quote from: Herman Cain on November 07, 2023, 08:04:14 PM
Goose:
I think Stevie is playing a max role . He goes hard for as many minutes as his body can withstand . My guess is 24 is probably the max . He will be in the game in every key 4 minute interval and then probably strategic offense /defense substitutions in the last minutes like we saw last year
Stevies defense will be critical in our ability to pull off some wins against ranked opponents
Our "ability to pull off some wins" against ranked opponents?
COLE
Quote from: warriorchick on November 08, 2023, 11:51:25 AM
So is this on the NCAA website for every game? Is it easy to find?
Must be elite to access easily
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 08, 2023, 02:06:35 PM
Must be elite to access easily
Truly consumption isn't elite