I recall there being a thread about this, but I suck at the search function. Apologies.
Is anyone going to the games? Is there going to be publishing of box scores or anything? Since the Field of 68 broadcast I am already champing at the bit for some more CBB content for Marquette.
Jake
I definitely have the fever after going to the practice yesterday. Hope we get solid updates from the Italy trip.
Hope no one gets hurt
Quote from: JakeBarnes on August 03, 2023, 01:23:44 PM
The boot is getting the boot.
Oh no, I just remembered that Italy is shaped like a boot!
😱😱😱😱
Who exactly will they be playing? Italian colleges? Italian pro teams?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 03, 2023, 02:35:29 PM
See ya neckst fawl, aina?
See ya liquor. Alcohol ya later
Will there be any broadcasting or streaming of these games?
I seem to remember an earlier trip to Italy where they played variety of pro teams and it being on TV or MU Stream.
Quote from: NCMUFan on August 04, 2023, 10:53:38 AM
Will there be any broadcasting or streaming of these games?
I seem to remember an earlier trip to Italy where they played variety of pro teams and it being on TV or MU Stream.
No.......highlights only
Has a schedule been posted anywhere of when the actual games are being played?
Quote from: Coleman on August 03, 2023, 01:56:17 PM
Who exactly will they be playing? Italian colleges? Italian pro teams?
Rome's version of Viterbo
I have a friend embedded with the team. Please don't share this anywhere else (especially the ...Dodds site) but yesterday the team was in Rome and went to the coliseum. Again, I beg for your confidence. If other schools were to get word of...this...it would be...bad.
Quote from: The Lens on August 05, 2023, 07:59:08 AM
I have a friend embedded with the team. Please don't share this anywhere else (especially the ...Dodds site) but yesterday the team was in Rome and went to the coliseum. Again, I beg for your confidence. If other schools were to get word of...this...it would be...bad.
Dodds.........already knows.
Quote from: The Lens on August 05, 2023, 07:59:08 AM
I have a friend embedded with the team. Please don't share this anywhere else (especially the ...Dodds site) but yesterday the team was in Rome and went to the coliseum. Again, I beg for your confidence. If other schools were to get word of...this...it would be...bad.
Anyone else in a boot after fighting the lions?
First bucket:
https://instagram.com/stories/danijosetti/3162797123657324803?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 05, 2023, 12:45:39 PM
First bucket:
https://instagram.com/stories/danijosetti/3162797123657324803?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Who took a Mitchell three in the betting pool? Had to be good odds on that one
Zaide dunk:
https://twitter.com/tammarag/status/1687885738031845376?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 05, 2023, 12:45:39 PM
First bucket:
https://instagram.com/stories/danijosetti/3162797123657324803?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Good looking jumper!
Heard we won. Does that move us up a line in the tourney?
Does it count as a win if only 25 people we're watching?
Quote from: Mu8891 on August 05, 2023, 03:24:12 PM
Does it count as a win if only 25 people we're watching?
Since it was Marquette, probably still drank the venue dry.
https://twitter.com/StephsRx/status/1687908821002272768?t=mU4qTvV_tQqhoLWSy37wow&s=19
Jop looks way thinner and more explosive too. Offseason workout program looks like it worked.
Yes.
Having been at the practice, Jop is stronger and quicker
MU looking like the Harlem Globetrotters in these clips against the "European All-Stars."
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1687954912036974592
Embrace the travel. Bond. Make the most of the available reps. Have fun. Don't get hurt.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 05, 2023, 04:18:21 PM
https://twitter.com/StephsRx/status/1687908821002272768?t=mU4qTvV_tQqhoLWSy37wow&s=19
The competition appears to be...well, a lot worse than the group of guys I play pickup with every week. Which isn't much of a compliment.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2023, 10:09:14 PM
The competition appears to be...well, a lot worse than the group of guys I play pickup with every week. Which isn't much of a compliment.
I don't think who they are playing against impacts how high a player can jump on a breakaway dunk. The only thing about the video I found exciting was that 5'8" Sean Jones got up there for a dunk
Quote from: Mu8891 on August 05, 2023, 03:24:12 PM
Does it count as a win if only 25 people we're watching?
All one percenters, so yes.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 05, 2023, 10:44:49 PM
I don't think who they are playing against impacts how high a player can jump on a breakaway dunk. The only thing about the video I found exciting was that 5'8" Sean Jones got up there for a dunk
Correction... Young Jones is 5'10".
We can't stream in 2023, get more highlights from the moms on the sidelines than the official accounts, and now can't get box scores either? FFS.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on August 06, 2023, 06:03:24 AM
Correction... Young Jones is 5'10".
He grew in the off season?
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2023, 07:08:43 AM
We can't stream in 2023, get more highlights from the moms on the sidelines than the official accounts, and now can't get box scores either? FFS.
I've seen most of the players' stats Tweeted out. Based on the highlights I've seen, I wouldn't waste 2 hours of my life watching this level of competition. Looks worse than a Pro Am. Highlights are all I need. And I'd say I'm in the top 1% of most diehard MU basketball fans in the world.
a quick update.. they look happy 😃
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1688171603442434049?s=46&t=MgFcVSyNZ3trQo7jtjCxVg
Not Pro - Am, more like just Am ( or a not very good rec league).
And, Sean Jones is not even close to
5' 10".
It's a great experience to see Italy, travel , and get the practice time. All worth it as long as No one gets hurt.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on August 06, 2023, 06:03:24 AM
Correction... Young Jones is 5'10".
I used his actual height
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 06, 2023, 09:37:57 AM
I used his actual height
Yep. Sean is 5'10" like Markus was 5'11".
Quote from: warriorchick on August 06, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Yep. Sean is 5'10" like Markus was 5'11".
I totally believe that.
Signed 6'3" pbiflyer :P
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2023, 07:08:43 AM
We can't stream in 2023, get more highlights from the moms on the sidelines than the official accounts, and now can't get box scores either? FFS.
Your schtick here and on Twitter is getting tiresome. This is a vacation for Shaka & Co. The entitlement of fans is a bad look. Stop complaining.
Quote from: The Lens on August 06, 2023, 01:15:15 PM
Your schtick here and on Twitter is getting tiresome. This is a vacation for Shaka & Co. The entitlement of fans is a bad look. Stop complaining.
Meltdown
Quote from: The Lens on August 06, 2023, 01:15:15 PM
Your schtick here and on Twitter is getting tiresome. This is a vacation for Shaka & Co. The entitlement of fans is a bad look. Stop complaining.
I get that he is upset that he can't see these games and can't even see box-scores. But claiming this could harm "fan goodwill" is a little over the top.
Quote from: The Lens on August 06, 2023, 01:15:15 PM
Your schtick here and on Twitter is getting tiresome. This is a vacation for Shaka & Co. The entitlement of fans is a bad look. Stop complaining.
Marquette's social media refusing to give us the basic coverage that Wojo got in his first full summer is what's tiresome. They are choosing to not keep up with league peers, the standard they set for themselves, and what they promised ahead of this trip. But please, tell me more about how good Marquette social media is ::)
Could be worse. UCF basketball team is going to Italy. This is the picture they posted.
I'm sure they are having fun and working on summer skill development. The daily pictures, videos, and fan posts are fun/great.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2023, 02:05:35 PM
Marquette's social media refusing to give us the basic coverage that Wojo got in his first full summer is what's tiresome. They are choosing to not keep up with league peers, the standard they set for themselves, and what they promised ahead of this trip. But please, tell me more about how good Marquette social media is ::)
Marquette marketing sucks.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 06, 2023, 03:19:51 PM
Could be worse. UCF basketball team is going to Italy. This is the picture they posted.
Wait...isn't that the Parthenon? I'm not the most worldly, so I could definitely be wrong.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on August 05, 2023, 07:44:47 PM
MU looking like the Harlem Globetrotters in these clips against the "European All-Stars."
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1687954912036974592
That literally made me laugh out loud! Ty!
TKo getting beat off the dribble and Joplin doing a fly by?
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on August 06, 2023, 03:52:24 PM
Wait...isn't that the Parthenon? I'm not the most worldly, so I could definitely be wrong.
Yep, which isn't located anywhere near Italy, especially the Milan to Rome they highlighted.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2023, 02:05:35 PM
Marquette's social media refusing to give us the basic coverage that Wojo got in his first full summer is what's tiresome. They are choosing to not keep up with league peers, the standard they set for themselves, and what they promised ahead of this trip. But please, tell me more about how good Marquette social media is ::)
Is the MU Athletics marketing department really making the call here? I would assume Shaka and/or his administration have declined to make the event any more public than it is.
What Big East social media team is markedly outperforming MU?
Quote from: The Lens on August 06, 2023, 11:10:45 PM
What Big East social media team is markedly outperforming MU?
Looking at my first guess of Creighton, they are streaming each game, with recaps, stats and post game interviews.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on August 06, 2023, 03:52:24 PM
Wait...isn't that the Parthenon? I'm not the most worldly, so I could definitely be wrong.
Highlighting a UCF education?
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 06, 2023, 09:02:43 PM
Yep, which isn't located anywhere near Italy, especially the Milan to Rome they highlighted.
You're right. The pic is of the Acropolis in Athens. I climbed up there last November.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 06, 2023, 09:02:43 PM
Yep, which isn't located anywhere near Italy, especially the Milan to Rome they highlighted.
That is funny, but clearly some social media person mistyped Parthenon vs Pantheon (or misspelled it and google corrected it...incorrectly). Though hopefully they booked their tours of the correct location.
Strange thread. I understand interest and enthusiasm about the upcoming season. But International trips are more about new, off court experiences, meeting new people, seeing new places, trying new things, of different geographies and cultures. They can even leave the basketballs at home and it'd be fine. I'm sure they are making nice video memories for those on the trip, and to show prospective recruits.
Quote from: shoothoops on August 07, 2023, 08:17:18 AM
Strange thread. I understand interest and enthusiasm about the upcoming season. But International trips are more about new, off court experiences, meeting new people, seeing new places, trying new things, of different geographies and cultures. They can even leave the basketballs at home and it'd be fine. I'm sure they are making nice video memories for those on the trip, and to show prospective recruits.
Yes. Visiting new places. Bonding. Getting a few reps in. Have fun. Don't get hurt.
I no saw no hair nets while doing food prep in the cooking class. What in the h is going on??
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 07, 2023, 08:47:55 AM
I no saw no hair nets while doing food prep in the cooking class. What in the h is going on??
Marketing more interested in cooking up some pasta instead of some actual game footage. SMH
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on August 06, 2023, 09:37:41 PM
Is the MU Athletics marketing department really making the call here? I would assume Shaka and/or his administration have declined to make the event any more public than it is.
And it's the wrong call, which should be overruled by that administration. This is 2023. If it was 20 years ago, sure, you make this call. But we have had streaming options for the past two foreign trips in 2015 and 2019. Creighton has streaming going on right now with more extensive highlights and updates. This process has only become easier over the past decade since we first started doing this.
Events like this are part of team-building, sure, but they are also opportunities for fundraising and recruiting. They are outreach opportunities. No, not all fans will watch. It will be the diehards. But you know how you create more diehards going forward? By providing more year-round content. The existence of this site shows there is a market for year-round Marquette coverage.
For those that don't want it or don't care, that's certainly their prerogative. If you don't care, go on with your day and ignore all of this. You can come back in November when the season starts, or January when we're in the middle of Big East play, or March if you only care about the tournament. But for the fans that go to the practices, that go to the Madness/Halloween/BBQ type events, that subscribe to media outlets and websites specifically for Marquette coverage, and would pay for this (or a BTD NIL membership package), this kind of stuff should be available.
Further, not only should it be available because you have done it in the past and have proof of concept right now with other Big East programs, but Marquette promised via press releases that they would be making highlights and box scores available. When you not only come up short in terms of what is possible, but then come up short in terms of delivering what you said you would, that is a failure.
If you don't care, so be it. Go on with your day and we'll see you in a few months. But I'm not going to not say something when Marquette comes up short in terms of what they could provide and lie about what they will provide.
I heard dodds is currently in possession of the box scores. He's holding them for ransom for more subscribers.
Winning provides more followers. Losing provides less.
Noon weekday games in the middle of summer with a poorly produced stream is not bringing in any new fans. Nobody is deciding to provide their personal money to making the basketball program better/more competitive/retaining current players based on whether they got to see the team play in a Pro-Am quality basketball game.
The first thing that comes to mind when I think of MU Athletics and International trips, is being able to compete with Power 5 programs in Olympic sports. Some of those Power 5 schools have many of their Women and Men's Olympic sports teams take International trips regularly, when possible.
When Marquette Soccer was recently recruiting against Vandy for a player, Vandy was in part selling their trip to South Africa and England this Summer, and their trip a few years ago to Japan. Or insert many different sports and school examples here.
I'm confident the MUBB Men's basketball team will continue to fund and take International trips when possible for beneficial off court life experiences.
They're obviously keeping stats — as evidenced by some of the individual numbers that have been released — so publishing boxscores isn't a big ask.
Honestly, guessing we haven't seen box score one because it was an absurdly lopsided result.
CBS 58 sports gave an actual score from the game so someone is keeping track. I think Kevin Holden said it was 85 to 63?
Personally, I'd love to watch the games. Although, from a competitive standpoint, it's probably best to limit the amount of game tape available for the early season opponents as much as possible.
Hey, we can watch Xavier tomorrow & Thursday, at least!
https://pallacanestropratodragons.com/2023/08/03/basket-spettacolo-a-stelle-e-strisce-alla-tana-dei-dragons-arrivano-le-stelle-della-ncaa/
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 07, 2023, 12:27:45 PM
https://pallacanestropratodragons.com/2023/08/03/basket-spettacolo-a-stelle-e-strisce-alla-tana-dei-dragons-arrivano-le-stelle-della-ncaa/
They're really overselling Maryland's "prestigious history" but I like that they describe us as a place where NBA players come out of.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 06, 2023, 07:08:43 AM
We can't stream in 2023, get more highlights from the moms on the sidelines than the official accounts, and now can't get box scores either? FFS.
Have you ever considered that maybe it isn't up to Marquette?
Maybe the Italian teams that are hosting don't want their games live streamed. Marquette is the visitor and still providing us with highlights and stats and updates.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 06, 2023, 03:19:51 PM
Could be worse. UCF basketball team is going to Italy. This is the picture they posted.
UCF education in full view.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 07, 2023, 09:26:30 AM
And it's the wrong call, which should be overruled by that administration. This is 2023. If it was 20 years ago, sure, you make this call. But we have had streaming options for the past two foreign trips in 2015 and 2019. Creighton has streaming going on right now with more extensive highlights and updates. This process has only become easier over the past decade since we first started doing this.
Events like this are part of team-building, sure, but they are also opportunities for fundraising and recruiting. They are outreach opportunities. No, not all fans will watch. It will be the diehards. But you know how you create more diehards going forward? By providing more year-round content. The existence of this site shows there is a market for year-round Marquette coverage.
For those that don't want it or don't care, that's certainly their prerogative. If you don't care, go on with your day and ignore all of this. You can come back in November when the season starts, or January when we're in the middle of Big East play, or March if you only care about the tournament. But for the fans that go to the practices, that go to the Madness/Halloween/BBQ type events, that subscribe to media outlets and websites specifically for Marquette coverage, and would pay for this (or a BTD NIL membership package), this kind of stuff should be available.
Further, not only should it be available because you have done it in the past and have proof of concept right now with other Big East programs, but Marquette promised via press releases that they would be making highlights and box scores available. When you not only come up short in terms of what is possible, but then come up short in terms of delivering what you said you would, that is a failure.
If you don't care, so be it. Go on with your day and we'll see you in a few months. But I'm not going to not say something when Marquette comes up short in terms of what they could provide and lie about what they will provide.
No one is going to stop being a fan because they can't see a summer game from Italy. No one would become a bigger fan by watching these games.
Marquette should certain do what they said they were going to do, but stop making this more than what it is - you want to watch the games and are disappointed because you can't - that's it.
106-72 MU.
https://twitter.com/PeterBasch/status/1688632734808236032
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on August 07, 2023, 12:48:37 PM
Have you ever considered that maybe it isn't up to Marquette?
Maybe the Italian teams that are hosting don't want their games live streamed. Marquette is the visitor and still providing us with highlights and stats and updates.
No, this is a choice by Marquette. And there are television cameras literally covering these games. This is Marquette's decision.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 07, 2023, 01:12:02 PM
No one is going to stop being a fan because they can't see a summer game from Italy. No one would become a bigger fan by watching these games.
Marquette should certain do what they said they were going to do, but stop making this more than what it is - you want to watch the games and are disappointed because you can't - that's it.
I didn't say anyone would stop being a fan nor did I remotely suggest it. As far as "becoming a bigger fan" which I interpret as growing or satisfying the fanbase, I wholeheartedly disagree. Yes, this is team development, but it is also outreach. Teams in numerous sports at all levels use foreign tours to market, grow their brand, and satisfy fans. It's hardly a new practice.
Yes, I want to watch them. I know I'm not alone in that, whatever the Scoop "shut up and fawn over the two highlights Marquette gave you" crowd might say. I want to be able to get the content we have had for the past decade and other Big East programs are literally putting out right now. And in the year 2023, when we are spending thousands of dollars a year on this program, I don't think that's too much to ask.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 07, 2023, 02:36:04 PM
106-72 MU.
https://twitter.com/PeterBasch/status/1688632734808236032
#muMbb reporting a different final score
Losing sleep.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1688635798827024384?s=20
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1688644916656660480?s=46&t=OJ8v5OSYAchdmCLDsa-Kgw
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
Losing sleep.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1688635798827024384?s=20
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1688644916656660480?s=46&t=OJ8v5OSYAchdmCLDsa-Kgw
Jop is always gonna be a bucket. A bit disappointing that Ben hasn't been able to suit up yet (at least that is what it appears). Was hoping he'd get some good run this summer and hone in some parts of his game.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on August 07, 2023, 03:49:14 PM
Jop is always gonna be a bucket. A bit disappointing that Ben hasn't been able to suit up yet (at least that is what it appears). Was hoping he'd get some good run this summer and hone in some parts of his game.
Where you been??
Ben is hurt
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 07, 2023, 03:11:02 PM
#muMbb reporting a different final score
Scoreboard in the back don't lie
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 07, 2023, 03:51:11 PM
Scoreboard in the back don't lie
So now the school is not only failing to provide the box score, but also lying about the final score! Brew is gonna flip his sh1t even more!!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 07, 2023, 03:50:38 PM
Where you been??
Ben is hurt
I am aware that he is with shin splints. Seems it isn't as minor as originally described, thus my disappointment that he isn't getting the run and development time I was hoping for.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on August 07, 2023, 03:58:25 PM
I am aware that he is with shin splints. Seems it isn't as minor as originally described, thus my disappointment that he isn't getting the run and development time I was hoping for.
But its been reported the entire time that he wouldnt play on this trip.
So while it sucks, its been known he wasnt going to be getting into the games.
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1688610328509104129?s=20
Kansas with a tour of the Bahamas. I hope it doesn't affect their seed line.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 07, 2023, 04:05:27 PM
But its been reported the entire time that he wouldnt play on this trip.
So while it sucks, its been known he wasnt going to be getting into the games.
I missed that report. Must have been in the Izzo thread.
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1688610328509104129?s=20
Kansas with a tour of the Bahamas. I hope it doesn't affect their seed line.
Could I have watched that game somewhere?
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
https://twitter.com/KUHoops/status/1688610328509104129?s=20
Kansas with a tour of the Bahamas. I hope it doesn't affect their seed line.
Per the comments, Bahamas had 3 current NBA guys on their squad.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 07, 2023, 04:21:44 PM
Could I have watched that game somewhere?
Still can. Maybe Marquette should partner with Learfield. Oh wait...
https://kuathletics.com/watch-live-kansas-vs-bahamian-national-team-2/
Buddy Hield, Eric Gordon. Ayton didn't play. Shoot, now I'm jealous.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on August 07, 2023, 04:05:27 PM
But its been reported the entire time that he wouldnt play on this trip.
So while it sucks, its been known he wasnt going to be getting into the games.
Can we really trust the program given their shiftiness with unreliable box scores? Is Ben gold hurt at all or is he simply on the trip to focus on launching his scratch pasta stand back in kiwi land. What else is this program hiding ?
Joplin dunked. Both Kam's and Stevie's dunks last year were more impressive, but dammit, a dunk is a dunk.
Has anyone thought that maybe Shaka doesn't want readily-available advance scouting for all our 2023-24 opponents? After all, isn't this a developmental trip afforded to a select few NCAA teams annually? Don't we lose a bit of that advantage by live streaming? Isn't the main goal of this trip giving the guys an educational and bonding opportunity while improving the model of RGV? How exactly is that better served by live streaming of games? And if some here put the blame on Shaka and want to equate him to the foreign tour live stream "soup Nazi", I think that's hilarious sour grapes. #inShakaWeTrust
It's pretty obvious Marquette's social media department is going to lose at least 2 games for the team this year. Shaka should recruit better influencers.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 07, 2023, 09:26:30 AM
And it's the wrong call, which should be overruled by that administration. This is 2023. If it was 20 years ago, sure, you make this call. But we have had streaming options for the past two foreign trips in 2015 and 2019. Creighton has streaming going on right now with more extensive highlights and updates. This process has only become easier over the past decade since we first started doing this.
Events like this are part of team-building, sure, but they are also opportunities for fundraising and recruiting. They are outreach opportunities. No, not all fans will watch. It will be the diehards. But you know how you create more diehards going forward? By providing more year-round content. The existence of this site shows there is a market for year-round Marquette coverage.
For those that don't want it or don't care, that's certainly their prerogative. If you don't care, go on with your day and ignore all of this. You can come back in November when the season starts, or January when we're in the middle of Big East play, or March if you only care about the tournament. But for the fans that go to the practices, that go to the Madness/Halloween/BBQ type events, that subscribe to media outlets and websites specifically for Marquette coverage, and would pay for this (or a BTD NIL membership package), this kind of stuff should be available.
Further, not only should it be available because you have done it in the past and have proof of concept right now with other Big East programs, but Marquette promised via press releases that they would be making highlights and box scores available. When you not only come up short in terms of what is possible, but then come up short in terms of delivering what you said you would, that is a failure.
If you don't care, so be it. Go on with your day and we'll see you in a few months. But I'm not going to not say something when Marquette comes up short in terms of what they could provide and lie about what they will provide.
Did Marquette promise you box scores personally? I see nothing in their Press release promising box scores... but keep bitching...
"The games won't be available live online, but highlights and statistics will be provided via the team's official social media accounts."
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 07, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
After all, isn't this a developmental trip afforded to a select few NCAA teams annually?
No. You can go on one every four years. We have done just that. With Covid, some teams are catching up this year, so there are tons of teams taking foreign tours.
I think 5 of the 7 d1 schools in the Maui field are going on tour this summer.
Quote from: panda on August 07, 2023, 09:15:06 AM
Marketing more interested in cooking up some pasta instead of some actual game footage. SMH
Yep, who's going to care about the fun the team is having? Only some future recruits. What a dumb marketing department appeasing those guys....
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 07, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
Did Marquette promise you box scores personally? I see nothing in their Press release promising box scores... but keep bitching...
"The games won't be available live online, but highlights and statistics will be provided via the team's official social media accounts."
brew has to complain about something.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 07, 2023, 05:28:00 PM
Has anyone thought that maybe Shaka doesn't want readily-available advance scouting for all our 2023-24 opponents?
Yes, definitely thought of that. While watching Kansas, UConn, Creighton, Purdue, and other potential opponents and national title contenders do exactly that.
The idea that we're the one team who figured this out is just a bit silly. The collective excuse making for how Marquette lags behind both their ilk and their own past efforts is laughable.
Last year I was on the Jop bandwagon big time. He was good but not what I hoped. I think this year is his year. He looks totally different physically. Between him and Ross I think we more than cover O-max moving on. I'm getting there. High hopes.
Quote from: Carl Spackler on August 07, 2023, 07:45:08 PM
brew has to complain about something.
With Marquette fans like brew, who needs Badgers fans?
I think we are all still suffering from Thomas Bilde withdrawals.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 07, 2023, 10:06:13 PM
Yes, definitely thought of that. While watching Kansas, UConn, Creighton, Purdue, and other potential opponents and national title contenders do exactly that.
The idea that we're the one team who figured this out is just a bit silly. The collective excuse making for how Marquette lags behind both their ilk and their own past efforts is laughable.
No one is saying that we're the only team that's figured it out. Some coaches care, others don't. Shaka seems to be one of the ones who does.
We've streamed international games in the past. I highly doubt that people have forgotten how to get this setup over the past four years. What's changed is our coach. If he says he doesn't want the games streamed, they don't get streamed. If that makes you upset, Shaka is the guy to aim your ire at.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 07, 2023, 10:06:13 PM
Yes, definitely thought of that. While watching Kansas, UConn, Creighton, Purdue, and other potential opponents and national title contenders do exactly that.
The idea that we're the one team who figured this out is just a bit silly. The collective excuse making for how Marquette lags behind both their ilk and their own past efforts is laughable.
I'm not making excuses for Marquette. Clearly they have the ability to stream them. They even have cameras at the games! For whatever reason, and I think it's a coaches' decision, they don't want to.
What I am saying is that you are making this out to be a way bigger than it actually is. The fact they aren't streaming these games will have no meaningful impact on fan engagement.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 07, 2023, 10:20:47 PM
I think we are all still suffering from Thomas Bilde withdrawals.
When you are given the Mona Lisa, the David, the Sistine Chapel of announcers, then it is taken away from you, you're going to get cranky.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2023, 02:36:07 AM
I'm not making excuses for Marquette. Clearly they have the ability to stream them. They even have cameras at the games! For whatever reason, and I think it's a coaches' decision, they don't want to.
What I am saying is that you are making this out to be a way bigger than it actually is. The fact they aren't streaming these games will have no meaningful impact on fan engagement.
Then they should just state it.
~4000 MU Mopes showed up to an open gym just before this trip with bold statements about minutes, points, starting line ups, skill and body development, and making freshman assessments...to dismiss fan engagement on this trip by saying it doesn't really matter doesn't seem to jive with reality and doesn't fully support NIL promotion like the other schools have figured out. Shaka apparently dances to a different tune on this issue but that only based on speculation at this point.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 08, 2023, 08:13:02 AM
Then they should just state it.
They literally stated that it wasn't going to be broadcast when the trip was announced. What else do they need to say?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2023, 08:19:56 AM
They literally stated that it wasn't going to be broadcast when the trip was announced. What else do they need to say?
I was talking about Shaka's overall philosophy about fan engagement with the team, Fluffy. Most fan events including The Al Run have been cut off as was discussed previously without much communication as to why from MU. Just state his philosophy and put an end to the tireless debate.
How this is dripped out makes it look haphazard, especially when every other school is going all in.
Jop called out Tre specifically for his strong efforts on the o-boards in yesterday's game. I like that.
I actually really like the three new guys who are on the trip, and their situation. Certainly can understand them wanting more run.... and maybe they'll earn it, or we'll need it ... but the roster construction such that they don't need to be fully thrown into the fire day 1 is nice.
[but next year, there will have to be movement]
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 08, 2023, 08:30:53 AM
I was talking about Shaka's overall philosophy about fan engagement with the team, Fluffy. Most fan events including The Al Run have been cut off as was discussed previously without much communication as to why from MU. Just state his philosophy and put an end to the tireless debate.
How this is dripped out makes it look haphazard, especially when every other school is going all in.
Totally agree on the last point.
The Al's Run decision was all CHW. MU was notified but had no real say in the matter.
But I do think the more access/content the fans can get on the basketball side, the better. There's a big appetite for it as shown by the turnout for the open practice.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 08, 2023, 08:30:53 AM
I was talking about Shaka's overall philosophy about fan engagement with the team, Fluffy. Most fan events including The Al Run have been cut off as was discussed previously without much communication as to why from MU. Just state his philosophy and put an end to the tireless debate.
How this is dripped out makes it look haphazard, especially when every other school is going all in.
Seriously? No university is going to say "due to Coach Shaka's preferences, we aren't televising the games in Italy and no longer doing Al's Run." You really think they are going to lay that on him?
This isn't a "tireless debate" anywhere but by a few posters on Scoop.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2023, 08:42:57 AM
Seriously? No university is going to say "due to Coach Shaka's preferences, we aren't televising the games in Italy and no longer doing Al's Run." You really think they are going to lay that on him?
This isn't a "tireless debate" anywhere but by a few posters on Scoop.
Then why are you tirelessly debating this?
So your idea of fan engagement is to leave fans in the dark? Shaka was very clear on his transfer recruiting philosophy. Why wouldn't he be on this? In the Age of NIL, "hamhandedness" isn't a marketing plan.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 08, 2023, 08:49:53 AM
Then why are you tirelessly debating this?
So your idea of fan engagement is to leave fans in the dark? Shaka was very clear on his transfer recruiting philosophy. Why wouldn't he be on this? In the Age of NIL, "hamhandedness" isn't a marketing plan.
My idea of fan engagement is...
...to win basketball games.
...to fill social media with highlights, stories, etc. especially in the off-season
...to give fans an excellent game-day experience.
...to hold events like the open practices from a few days ago.
It doesn't mean they have to do anything and everything that fans want, especially if the (very successful) coach has a preference not to. And it most certainly doesn't mean they have to do something cause "we did it before" or because "other schools are doing it."
And I am debating it because you and brew are being hyperbolic and silly. Apparently not only is not streaming games from Italy in mid-August going to negatively impact fan engagement, it is also going to negatively impact NIL. Sorry, but that is insane.
...so "winning a basketball game" is good fan engagement, but broadcasting foreign games like so many of our peers do isn't?!
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 08, 2023, 08:58:25 AM
...so "winning a basketball game" is good fan engagement, but broadcasting foreign games like so many of our peers do isn't?!
I didn't say broadcasting foreign games isn't good fan engagement. It would be fine. But it's not going to negatively impact fan engagement if they don't do it. And since it is therefore relatively low stakes, then the program's decision is fine by me.
Again, if you are just annoyed because you want to watch it, then fine. But that's really all this is about.
Looking into it... Maryland essentially did the same tour as MU and didn't broadcast either. I wonder if it's a matter of having reliable enough connectivity in the gyms to stream them. If so, they should just say that.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 08, 2023, 09:13:54 AM
Looking into it... Maryland essentially did the same tour as MU and didn't broadcast either. I wonder if it's a matter of having reliable enough connectivity in the gyms to stream them. If so, they should just say that.
Yeah and TerpCity02 is losing his crap over on MDScoop
I cannot believe there are people actually complaining about an August trip to Italy.
Oh wait...this is scoop
Indeed. First world problem. Actually affecting no one here.
FWIW Creighton is playing at the Battle 4 Atlantis venue which is accustomed to televising games while Marquette is playing in what looks comparable to elementary school gyms.
I can't imagine it's worth the cost of broadcasting to have maybe a couple hundred fans if that watch a game. Anyone who is going to watch these games is going to be there come basketball season. There is little to no return on broadcasting them.
Even if someone streamed it off of a phone, there'd just be complaints on low production quality. Last year there were complaints on how the schedule graphic was laid out on social media.
Just let everyone enjoy the trip.
This is a great problem to have for MU. You want fans to be invested and want to consume more content. Even if it means some complaints.
And I don't think this discussion is affecting anyone's enjoyment of the trip over there.
Isn't the fact that there were 4K fans showing up to an open practice proof that, oh, I don't know, maybe Marquette knows what they're doing?
Again, what gets fans invested? What makes non-fans become fans? Well, it's not streaming basketball games at noon during work days in the summer. It's winning basketball games from November through early April. That's all that matters.
I'm sure Southeastern Louisiana is seeing their season ticket sales and NIL funds go through the roof with their mid August content. Meanwhile, Marquette can't pay people to get into the Fiserv because...marketing.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 08, 2023, 09:42:51 AM
And I don't think this discussion is affecting anyone's enjoyment of the trip over there.
Was thinking more along the lines of the staff over there would have to handle the broadcasting responsibilities making their trip less enjoyable.
While we are at it, I DEMAND all practices be livestreamed as well.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 08, 2023, 09:55:51 AM
While we are at it, I DEMAND all practices be livestreamed as well.
Come to think of it, I'd like Hard Knocks-like access, nay, I demand Hard Knocks-like access.
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1688665810162601984?s=46&t=el-XnIMOEDcxAw3lmg3L5A
I heard mu gave Rothstien a secret stream
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 08, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
Come to think of it, I'd like Hard Knocks-like access, nay, I demand Hard Knocks-like access.
I want more pasta making videos. I mean fine you made linguine - can you do bucatini? I need to track the skill development.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2023, 02:36:07 AM
I'm not making excuses for Marquette. Clearly they have the ability to stream them. They even have cameras at the games! For whatever reason, and I think it's a coaches' decision, they don't want to.
What I am saying is that you are making this out to be a way bigger than it actually is. The fact they aren't streaming these games will have no meaningful impact on fan engagement.
I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 08, 2023, 09:50:09 AM
Isn't the fact that there were 4K fans showing up to an open practice proof that, oh, I don't know, maybe Marquette knows what they're doing?
Again, what gets fans invested? What makes non-fans become fans? Well, it's not streaming basketball games at noon during work days in the summer. It's winning basketball games from November through early April. That's all that matters.
I'm sure Southeastern Louisiana is seeing their season ticket sales and NIL funds go through the roof with their mid August content. Meanwhile, Marquette can't pay people to get into the Fiserv because...marketing.
Doesn't the Al only hold about 4K? I think the Al was only about 1/4 full.
Still a great event but let's not overstate it,
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on August 08, 2023, 10:11:09 AM
I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.
now we have "Fan Engagement Squandered"
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on August 08, 2023, 10:11:09 AM
I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.
Did anyone watch the streamed games who wasn't already a hardcore Marquette fan? In my recollection, it took a bit of effort to even find the games so one could watch. It's not as if a non-fan, or even a casual fan, is going to randomly come across the game, watch it, and as a result, run out and buy season tickets.
How much additional awareness would be generated by streamed games as opposed to the current highlights and social media posts?
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 08, 2023, 10:51:57 AM
Doesn't the Al only hold about 4K? I think the Al was only about 1/4 full.
Still a great event but let's not overstate it,
I would say there were tops 1500 at the open practice, probably less.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 08, 2023, 10:51:57 AM
Doesn't the Al only hold about 4K? I think the Al was only about 1/4 full.
Still a great event but let's not overstate it,
Not sure. Just going based off of this.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 08, 2023, 08:13:02 AM
Then they should just state it.
~4000 MU Mopes showed up to an open gym just before this trip with bold statements about minutes, points, starting line ups, skill and body development, and making freshman assessments...to dismiss fan engagement on this trip by saying it doesn't really matter doesn't seem to jive with reality and doesn't fully support NIL promotion like the other schools have figured out. Shaka apparently dances to a different tune on this issue but that only based on speculation at this point.
Not to go full Brew, but I do think it's weird you're going into the season with a top-10 probably even top-5 team in the country and you don't want to showcase that as much as possible, even against bad competition.
Stretches like this are rare, so I do think it's a bit silly on whoever's decision this was to not stream at least one game.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 08, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Did anyone watch the streamed games who wasn't already a hardcore Marquette fan? In my recollection, it took a bit of effort to even find the games so one could watch. It's not as if a non-fan, or even a casual fan, is going to randomly come across the game, watch it, and as a result, run out and buy season tickets.
How much additional awareness would be generated by streamed games as opposed to the current highlights and social media posts?
The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games. There is value. It costs almost nothing to stream--I followed my niece's volleyball and basketball games this past season due to streaming--sometimes there was a pay wall but vast majority were free. I think almost every high school game is now streamed.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 08, 2023, 11:04:50 AM
Did anyone watch the streamed games who wasn't already a hardcore Marquette fan? In my recollection, it took a bit of effort to even find the games so one could watch. It's not as if a non-fan, or even a casual fan, is going to randomly come across the game, watch it, and as a result, run out and buy season tickets.
How much additional awareness would be generated by streamed games as opposed to the current highlights and social media posts?
The fact of the matter is that the average or casual MUBB fan has absolutely no idea that the team is in Italy right now. What's more, they don't care. I've said it before, but it bears repeating: those of us on 'Scoop are in no way representative of the average MUBB fan. And no matter how good of a job the marketing people and/or social media people do, the overwhelming majority of MUBB fans will never be interested in following as closely as even the least dedicated 'Scoop fans. We're not well.
Quote from: Gato78 on August 08, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games. There is value. It costs almost nothing to stream--I followed my niece's volleyball and basketball games this past season due to streaming--sometimes there was a pay wall but vast majority were free. I think almost every high school game is now streamed.
I think the majority of the MU fan base doesn't even know Traci Carter played for us much less he was given the nickname The Engine.
Quote from: Gato78 on August 08, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games. There is value. It costs almost nothing to stream--I followed my niece's volleyball and basketball games this past season due to streaming--sometimes there was a pay wall but vast majority were free. I think almost every high school game is now streamed.
I'm beginning to think this entire thread is parody. If this were Summer ball somewhere in the U.S. ir a local high school game, sure. But this is an International, cutural trip. They are there for that. Tons of schools in a wide variety of Men's and Women's sports take these trips. May are even in Italy as we speak. And the videos, photos, and coverage is 90% plus about off court/field cultural experiences, meeting new people, seeing new places, trying new things. If they want to stream these games fine. I'm indifferent to that. As long as the team is getting value away from the court while there, that's all that matters.
As the fellow kids would say, maybe some people need to "Touch grass."
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 07, 2023, 11:42:38 PM
No one is saying that we're the only team that's figured it out. Some coaches care, others don't. Shaka seems to be one of the ones who does.
We've streamed international games in the past. I highly doubt that people have forgotten how to get this setup over the past four years. What's changed is our coach. If he says he doesn't want the games streamed, they don't get streamed. If that makes you upset, Shaka is the guy to aim your ire at.
💯
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2023, 08:56:19 AM
My idea of fan engagement is...
...to win basketball games.
...to fill social media with highlights, stories, etc. especially in the off-season
...to give fans an excellent game-day experience.
...to hold events like the open practices from a few days ago.
It doesn't mean they have to do anything and everything that fans want, especially if the (very successful) coach has a preference not to. And it most certainly doesn't mean they have to do something cause "we did it before" or because "other schools are doing it."
And I am debating it because you and brew are being hyperbolic and silly. Apparently not only is not streaming games from Italy in mid-August going to negatively impact fan engagement, it is also going to negatively impact NIL. Sorry, but that is insane.
I don't always agree with the Fluffmeister, but when I do..... this.
This.
This. And...
This.
You mean taking a foreign trip isn't about the extra practice time, team bonding and extra scrimmages, but it's actually about a few whiny fans that have nothing better to do during the back half of summer ?
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on August 08, 2023, 10:11:09 AM
I think this is kind of the point. Not streaming most certainly has no meaningful impact. However, streaming might, likely will, have some impact. It is a good opportunity to engage with the fans, a good way to raise awareness of NIL, it's a good way to keep MU at top or near top of mind mid summer. It's really a no brainer to use this as a fun way to interact with fans and the public, and it's super easy to accomplish. Candidly, as a fan it doesn't bother me in the slightest, however as a supporter of the school and athletics, it's a missed opportunity.
Every engagement opportunity needs to have an understanding of the marginal benefit and the marginal costs involved. Going through the effort of streaming these game would cost something. Probably not much, but something. But to what marginal benefit? To engage fans who are already highly engaged? That's not really a wise use of resources.
Quote from: Gato78 on August 08, 2023, 12:01:22 PM
The dispositive example is Thomas Bilda and The Engine. We would know nothing of this if no streaming or other broadcast and he became a MU legend calling those games.
MU legend? You could ask 1,000 random Marquette fans "who is Thomas Bilde?" and I would guess at most a handful would know.
And that handful was highly engaged and is still highly engaged.
Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...
Quote from: panda on August 08, 2023, 12:52:23 PM
Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...
Just highlights and stats (no box score unfortunately)
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 08, 2023, 12:44:48 PM
Every engagement opportunity needs to have an understanding of the marginal benefit and the marginal costs involved. Going through the effort of streaming these game would cost something. Probably not much, but something. But to what marginal benefit? To engage fans who are already highly engaged? That's not really a wise use of resources.
In this instance, we can never know what kind of return we get on a minimal investment if we don't try. It's the whole fish where the fish are biting idea. If there isn't a creative way to use this to generate NIL dollars or noticeable engagement, of course, likely not worth the squeeze. People smarter than me both say we are missing an opportunity and it matters not. I fall into the why not camp. Perhaps it's expense, perhaps it's secrecy, perhaps it's Shaka saying this is for the boys not the fans. Cool, no worries from me.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 08, 2023, 11:02:28 AM
now we have "Fan Engagement Squandered"
I mean, it's obviously this AND it may neither matter nor be worth it. We don't know.
Quote from: panda on August 08, 2023, 12:52:23 PM
Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...
Sometimes chefs stream their kitchen, why wouldn't we stream some of the activities or speeches or whatever? I'm sure the MUBB socials will do a good job with photos and videos which I think they do already (no sarcasm).
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on August 08, 2023, 01:12:51 PM
Sometimes chefs stream their kitchen, why wouldn't we stream some of the activities or speeches or whatever? I'm sure the MUBB socials will do a good job with photos and videos which I think they do already (no sarcasm).
They're getting a lot of good practice on the Italy trip.
It's actually genius - post tons of content to a captive audience of 70k or so followers on instagram exemplifying the teams high level of talent via highlights and showing off their fun personalities exploring and experiencing a foreign country.
Instead we have a bunch of simpletons saying MU will gain more interest streaming summer scrimmages against some semi pro Italian teams and posting box scores of MU winning by 50 in a barely competive game.
There were 1,200 ish at the scrimmage
( you could only sit on one side of the AL, and that side was not full). Still a very good crowd for 5:00 on a weekday...
As for the streaming, it's a missed opportunity. Let's move on.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 08, 2023, 11:02:28 AM
now we have "Fan Engagement Squandered"
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIG.ERbAUGNwAJgrdnRc2eBi?pid=ImgGn)
Bing AI made a tshirt to commentate the Italy tour.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on August 08, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
In this instance, we can never know what kind of return we get on a minimal investment if we don't try.
Isn't one of the points that is being asserted in this thread that they should be streaming these games because they did so in the past? Perhaps they concluded, after
trying, that the return did not justify even a minimal investment.
Pretty cool they got to see one of the nine (sic) Wonders of the World in Italy, but we've got one of earth's nine wonders — the Grand Canyon — super close to us right in the USA!
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 08, 2023, 01:33:39 PM
Isn't one of the points that is being asserted in this thread that they should be streaming these games because they did so in the past? Perhaps they concluded, after trying, that the return did not justify even a minimal investment.
Fair point
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 08, 2023, 09:13:54 AM
Looking into it... Maryland essentially did the same tour as MU and didn't broadcast either. I wonder if it's a matter of having reliable enough connectivity in the gyms to stream them. If so, they should just say that.
Then use the telegraph lines.
Quote from: Jockey on August 08, 2023, 05:49:56 PM
Then use the telegraph lines.
A carrier pigeon just arrived at my window with hand drawn pictures of the game strapped to its leg.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 08, 2023, 08:53:31 PM
A carrier pigeon just arrived at my window with hand drawn pictures of the game strapped to its leg.
😂
Quote from: panda on August 08, 2023, 12:52:23 PM
Just received an email about the MU athletics block party. Wonder if they'll be streaming that...
Based on the highlights from summer, looking forward to the hand made pasta the team will make for the party.
https://twitter.com/illinimbb/status/1689223791006646272?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
Illinois fans just had to ax
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 09, 2023, 10:40:23 AM
https://twitter.com/illinimbb/status/1689223791006646272?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
Illinois fans just had to ax
The post says "Valencia delivered." Maybe it is not up to the universities, but up to the hosts. We should now express outrage over Marquette's inability to get their hosts to succumb to the will of the MU fan base.
Quote from: MUCam on August 09, 2023, 10:58:25 AM
The post says "Valencia delivered." Maybe it is not up to the universities, but up to the hosts. We should now express outrage over Marquette's inability to get their hosts to succumb to the will of the MU fan base.
We have been told it's all Shaka in this thread. What a roller coaster!!
Quote from: MUCam on August 09, 2023, 10:58:25 AM
The post says "Valencia delivered." Maybe it is not up to the universities, but up to the hosts. We should now express outrage over Marquette's inability to get their hosts to succumb to the will of the MU fan base.
but what about the promised (or not) box scores? what a fiasco....
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1689318121788592129?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Ben Gold spotted in a boot? Not sure if this is on campus though
Weird pics. Not basketball practice pics. It's almost like there's another purpose for this trip.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on August 09, 2023, 08:50:37 PM
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1689318121788592129?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Ben Gold spotted in a boot? Not sure if this is on campus though
Old news.
Also, does that look like Milwaukee and Lake Michigan to you?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 09, 2023, 09:01:08 PM
Old news.
Also, does that look like Milwaukee and Lake Michigan to you?
Cardinal Stritch wasn't far enough from the dangers of Milwaukee. MU moved to Italy.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 09, 2023, 09:06:23 PM
Cardinal Stritch wasn't far enough from the dangers of Milwaukee. MU moved to Italy.
Great we still have to recruit against St. John's
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 09, 2023, 10:22:08 PM
Great we still have to recruit against St. John's
Saint John was a bully. Enjoyed dunking kids in smelly river water.
What a thread. Not much MU news except that none of the fans can enjoy the games in any fashion aside from Twitter updates and box scores.
People saying, "Who cares?" are missing the point. It's 2023. Anyone can stream anything from almost anywhere. Set up a decent webcam in the stands from a fixed point and stream it live on any number of platforms... Youtube, etc. Not doing this is pure numbskullery. Engaging fans in any way should be the norm. Introducing new players, and getting a sneak peak at the season ahead should be a focus of the Marquette athletics program. Especially for a team that is expected to be a top 10 team entering the season.
It's a huge missed opportunity. Arguing against it is just a contrarian take. While YOU may not enjoy the engagement, others do, and the cost barrier to do such a thing is approximately zero.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 10, 2023, 12:36:39 PM
What a thread. Not much MU news except that none of the fans can enjoy the games in any fashion aside from Twitter updates and box scores.
People saying, "Who cares?" are missing the point. It's 2023. Anyone can stream anything from almost anywhere. Set up a decent webcam in the stands from a fixed point and stream it live on any number of platforms... Youtube, etc. Not doing this is pure numbskullery. Engaging fans in any way should be the norm. Introducing new players, and getting a sneak peak at the season ahead should be a focus of the Marquette athletics program. Especially for a team that is expected to be a top 10 team entering the season.
It's a huge missed opportunity. Arguing against it is just a contrarian take. While YOU may not enjoy the engagement, others do, and the cost barrier to do such a thing is approximately zero.
A missed opportunity? Maybe. A HUGE missed opportunity? Nah. That's hyperbole, IMO.
Sure, it could have been handled better. In the end, who was actually negatively impacted?
Quote from: tower912 on August 10, 2023, 02:45:03 PM
Sure, it could have been handled better. In the end, who was actually negatively impacted?
The fans who wanted to watch their favorite team!
I think the fact that, of the top 1% of all fans (anyone who's posting on MUScoop falls in that category) maybe 10% of them have a problem with this probably shows that it's not much of a missed opportunity.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 10, 2023, 03:02:34 PM
The fans who wanted to watch their favorite team!
So, no actual damage.
Quote from: tower912 on August 10, 2023, 03:38:37 PM
So, no actual damage.
Maybe a kid without anything to do on a hot summer night somewhere in America could have turned on a basketball game and had a better night or become motivated or saw how fun it could be to play at Marquette. I dunno, just spitballing.
If I was in Italy and I was there, I'd be able to stream it on my phone. I don't need announcers or cut away shots. Fun is fun!
Quote from: wadesworld on August 10, 2023, 03:04:50 PM
I think the fact that, of the top 1% of all fans (anyone who's posting on MUScoop falls in that category) maybe 10% of them have a problem with this probably shows that it's not much of a missed opportunity.
Run a poll if you're sure its 90/10 :P
Does it boost engagement at minimal cost? Yes. That's all there is to it, there's literally no logical reason for people to be against it, you just wouldn't watch. I mean asking who was hurt? Nobody was hurt by MU not having a fantastic MySpace and Facebook presence before 2011, but they caught up and put out content to boost engagement. Is it obnoxious that Brew's on a crusade against the MU marketing team? Yes, but he has a valid point.
In marketing, engagement is always a top KPI & good content boosts engagement. Whether they effectively marketed it as " reigning big east champs Marquette faces off against 'xyz' in exhibition match" on Reddit, or twitter/x or wherever is a potential opportune cost no different than not doing it at all but even if it was just a handful of scoopers that followed that's still very likely a worthwhile investment due to how easy streaming is.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 10, 2023, 05:23:07 PM
Does it boost engagement at minimal cost? Yes. That's all there is to it, there's literally no logical reason for people to be against it, you just wouldn't watch. Is it obnoxious that Brew's on a crusade against the MU marketing team? Yes, but he has a valid point.
In marketing, engagement is always a top KPI & good content boosts engagement. Whether they effectively marketed it as " reigning big east champs Marquette faces off against 'xyz' in exhibition match" on Reddit, or twitter/x or wherever is a potential opportune cost no different than not doing it at all but even if it was just a handful of scoopers that followed that's still very likely a worthwhile investment due to how easy streaming is.
If the games were streamed I probably would have tried to watch as I'm psyched for this upcoming season.
But the impact on fan engagement and in general from not streaming is minimal, at best. It's not going to have any kind of significant impact on what matters to the program.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 10, 2023, 05:30:47 PM
If the games were streamed I probably would have tried to watch as I'm psyched for this upcoming season.
But the impact on fan engagement and in general from not streaming is minimal, at best. It's not going to have any kind of significant impact on what matters to the program.
Then why do they put out any content at all? It's practically zero investment, flip one person to buy a package of tickets and you're in the green.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 10, 2023, 03:04:50 PM
I think the fact that, of the top 1% of all fans (anyone who's posting on MUScoop falls in that category) maybe 10% of them have a problem with this probably shows that it's not much of a missed opportunity.
Yup. And that angry 0.1% will still be following every second of MU basketball.
It's absolutely fine. People need to stop whining.
More on topic.
How long are they there for and how many "non streamed" games are they playing? I imagine gotta be 1 or 2 more.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 10, 2023, 11:05:06 PM
It's absolutely fine. People need to stop whining.
It isn't whining. It's low effort behavior from a high effort basketball school.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 11, 2023, 06:22:19 AM
It isn't whining. It's low effort behavior from a high effort basketball school.
Technically, it's whining
about perceived low effort behavior from a high effort basketball school.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 11, 2023, 06:22:19 AM
It isn't whining. It's low effort behavior from a high effort basketball school.
Oh it's whining. And do you really think them not streaming these games is about lack of "effort?"
They posted upwards of 100 reels / stories / posts of heavily edited, well curated content and people are citing low effort.
The games are an absolute side show and MU featured them appropriately.
Italy trip good for recruiting.
Norlander said more teams are choosing not to stream these things or even provide full box scores anymore, unlike they were a few years ago.
But it's just Marquette and their marketing department sucks.
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1690038283990970378?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1690043638024220684?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: wadesworld on August 11, 2023, 11:57:24 AM
Norlander said more teams are choosing not to stream these things or even provide full box scores anymore, unlike they were a few years ago.
But it's just Marquette and their marketing department sucks.
As Jay Bee said, where's the evidence of that? UConn, Kansas, Xavier, Illinois, Creighton, and other have streamed games. Maryland is the only other one I'm aware of that hasn't and their fans are not pleased with said shortcoming.
But at least you are starting to acknowledge the University's shortcomings.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 11, 2023, 01:29:50 PM
As Jay Bee said, where's the evidence of that? UConn, Kansas, Xavier, Illinois, Creighton, and other have streamed games. Maryland is the only other one I'm aware of that hasn't and their fans are not pleased with said shortcoming.
But at least you are starting to acknowledge the University's shortcomings.
It really doesn't matter what the other schools did. It's no big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 11, 2023, 01:55:17 PM
It really doesn't matter what the other schools did. It's no big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Wads was implying there was a move toward "our way". Nothing is a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but you're avoiding the question/topic.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 11, 2023, 01:55:17 PM
It really doesn't matter what the other schools did. It's no big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Grand scheme? No. But it's one more instance of Marquette falling short of what they have done in the past and what their peers are doing currently.
Something tells me Cooper Flagg and Cameron Boozer had a sleepover in anticipation of watching MU today. When they couldn't find a stream to watch MU win by 40 they ruled MU out.
I hate this.
Quote from: withoutbias on August 11, 2023, 02:41:20 PM
Something tells me Cooper Flagg and Cameron Boozer had a sleepover in anticipation of watching MU today. When they couldn't find a stream to watch MU win by 40 they ruled MU out.
I hate this.
Zero to do with elite recruits
It's a bit an an "eff u" to certain* fans
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 11, 2023, 02:47:51 PM
Zero to do with elite recruits
It's a bit an an "eff u" to certain* fans
Oh no! Not people who think they're more important than they actually are getting butthurt!
Quote from: withoutbias on August 11, 2023, 02:51:06 PM
Oh no! Not people who think they're more important than they actually are getting butthurt!
Let's set aside your homophobic comment, but... it's not about importance. It's acknowledging there are those who more deeply care for the program, or at least in a different way, such that you wouldn't go against the norm and not broadcast games
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 11, 2023, 02:38:52 PM
Grand scheme? No. But it's one more instance of Marquette falling short of what they have done in the past and what their peers are doing currently.
Enlighten me on what else they are falling short of what they have done in the past.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 11, 2023, 07:10:13 AM
Oh it's whining. And do you really think them not streaming these games is about lack of "effort?"
It's either a unexplained choice or lack of effort.
Take your pick. They're both poor excuses.
To expand, it takes almost zero effort to tell your fans that the games won't be streams for reason X or Y. That'd shut most of us up... because there was a reason that was communicated as to why fans are being left out of the experience. A simple tweet fixes that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 11, 2023, 03:20:09 PM
It's either a unexplained choice or lack of effort.
Take your pick. They're both poor excuses.
To expand, it takes almost zero effort to tell your fans that the games won't be streams for reason X or Y. That'd shut most of us up... because there was a reason that was communicated as to why fans are being left out of the experience. A simple tweet fixes that.
Hards coming with a reasonable thought, amazing! But he's right. WHY were these games not streamed? Just tell us*.
*and prepare for the ensuing hellfire!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 11, 2023, 02:29:23 PM
Wads was implying there was a move toward "our way". Nothing is a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but you're avoiding the question/topic.
?? What question am I avoiding?
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 11, 2023, 02:38:52 PM
Grand scheme? No. But it's one more instance of Marquette falling short of what they have done in the past and what their peers are doing currently.
What they did in the past is not relevant at all. As for their peers, each schools made decisions based on what they felt was best for them - and sometimes they can differ from one another.
Regardless, the whole point is you seem to think this is some massive mistake. But in reality its going to have very little impact on fan engagement, either positively or negatively.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 11, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
?? What question am I avoiding?
Why are we not streaming? Why are others?
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 11, 2023, 03:48:16 PM
Why are we not streaming? Why are others?
Those are two questions. And the answers are "I have no idea" and "I have no idea."
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 11, 2023, 03:50:35 PM
Those are two questions. And the answers are "I have no idea" and "I have no idea."
Ok. Let me put it into one: why are we not streaming, yet others including blue bloods are?
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 11, 2023, 03:54:57 PM
Ok. Let me put it into one: why are we not streaming, yet others including blue bloods are?
I don't know.
So, they have trouble getting fans to show up to buy games. But sure they will show up in droves to watched an afternoon poorly produced streamed game against worse competition in a basic pick up game. Right.....
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 11, 2023, 04:21:41 PM
So, they have trouble getting fans to show up to buy games. But sure they will show up in droves to watched an afternoon poorly produced streamed game against worse competition in a basic pick up game. Right.....
This is... a poor analysis / comparison tbh, my friend
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 11, 2023, 03:54:57 PM
Ok. Let me put it into one: why are we not streaming, yet others including blue bloods are?
because games in italia no matta.
Also limited upside. No recruit cares about the competition of a european trip. one kinda decent explanation i heard is by not streaming the games coaches dont have to deal with parents of students getting mad about playing time in these games.
but mostly because marketing is lazy
Quote from: jfp61 on August 11, 2023, 05:15:16 PM
because games in italia no matta.
Also limited upside. No recruit cares about the competition of a european trip. one kinda decent explanation i heard is by not streaming the games coaches dont have to deal with parents of students getting mad about playing time in these games.
but mostly because marketing is lazy
Bizarre
I, for one, am glad they were not streamed. I don't want the competition to get early gametape of the new wrinkles Shaka has installed in the offense. Or gametape on the freshman.
The idea that if MU simply explained why they aren't streaming games then nobody would complain made me laugh.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 11, 2023, 06:01:41 PM
The idea that if MU simply explained why they aren't streaming games then nobody would complain made me laugh.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/978/y_tho_meme.jpg)
I am stunned by the massive complaints I see about the lack of game streamings on social media by the fan base. Almost as many people as won the mega millions this week.
Face it, other than a few die hards, no.one.cares.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 11, 2023, 08:25:52 PM
I am stunned by the massive complaints I see about the lack of game streamings on social media by the fan base. Almost as many people as won the mega millions this week.
Face it, other than a few die hards, no.one.cares.
Taste my tears!!!
Summer is far too nice to watch pick-up basketball on your phone.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/article/mu-assistant-coach-deandre-haynes-talks-about-the-team-and-the-italy-trip-215078283/
Dodds interviewed Coach Haynes about the trip and got some good tidbits:
-Buy stock in Ross and Norman
-Sean buying in
-Ben outta the boot but still not cleared. Looking good in practice
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 31, 2023, 06:14:35 PM
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/article/mu-assistant-coach-deandre-haynes-talks-about-the-team-and-the-italy-trip-215078283/
Dodds interviewed Coach Haynes about the trip and got some good tidbits:
-Buy stock in Ross and Norman
-Sean buying in
-Ben outta the boot but still not cleared. Looking good in practice
Ben and Stevie owning the volleyball court.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 31, 2023, 06:14:35 PM
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/article/mu-assistant-coach-deandre-haynes-talks-about-the-team-and-the-italy-trip-215078283/
Dodds interviewed Coach Haynes about the trip and got some good tidbits:
-Buy stock in Ross and Norman
-Sean buying in
-Ben outta the boot but still not cleared. Looking good in practice
To me, Ross is the difference between a good season and a national championship contending season. I look at how Jordan Hawkins went from decent role playing freshman to dominant as a sophomore and I could see that being Chase. He may come off the bench, but he has first round NBA draft pick talent.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 03, 2023, 07:16:51 AM
To me, Ross is the difference between a good season and a national championship contending season. I look at how Jordan Hawkins went from decent role playing freshman to dominant as a sophomore and I could see that being Chase. He may come off the bench, but he has first round NBA draft pick talent.
I agree on the first round athleticism but I'm hoping you are right on the first round talent. We all saw flashes last year. If that becomes more consistent this year, then you are right, watch out this could be a special year.
The good news is if Chase goes NBA, I think Zaide is going to be Chase Ross 2.0 or better. Smooth athleticism and basketball skill.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on September 03, 2023, 02:26:40 PM
Imma gonna make this my new signature. Amazing.
It's truly amazing how many heads Sultan lives rent free in on this site. If Scoop brains were real estate, Sultan would own the Burj Khalifa.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 03, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
It's truly amazing how many heads Sultan lives rent free in on this site. If Scoop brains were real estate, Sultan would own the Burj Khalifa.
It's really not when you factor in quantity of posts, amount of opinions and the know it all factor. Frankly I'm surprised it's not more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 03, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
It's truly amazing how many heads Sultan lives rent free in on this site. If Scoop brains were real estate, Sultan would own the Burj Khalifa.
To be honest, it's mostly Ziggy. Plenty of room available and it's pretty dusty.