Good.
Not good.
Thoughts and prayers
Dahmer, Anderson, Nassar...its all the same. Only da names change, aina?
"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."
Ban knives in jail hey
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 10, 2023, 09:42:25 AM
Ban knives in jail hey
The only way to stop a bad inmate with a knife is a good inmate with a knife.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 10, 2023, 09:42:25 AM
Ban knives in jail hey
Clearly they should be legalized for self defense. Give every inmate a knife, hell give them a gun, this is MERICA
Wardes don't see nothin', don't hear nothin', don't do nothin'. Maybe its a tax savin' measure, hey?
I wouldn't say "good." But I'm not shedding any tears over this news.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on July 10, 2023, 09:00:28 AM
Decidedly not good
Decidedly don't care if he lives or dies.
He ruined many, many lives. I don't care if his is ruined - or ended.
Kinda like my opinion on the death penalty. If it was within my power, I would end it. But when a rapist- murderer is put to death, I just don't care.
I will sleep tonight. He did a lot of bad things to a lot of people. My guess is there is likely a lot of victims and their families that are not shedding any tears as well. If one victim is happy with the news, justice was served.
That freak show Nasser might actually be into getting stabbed
Hoping he was given a "physical check up" before (and after) he was stabbed.
Glee over prison violence is a real bad look. Indifference to it is a pretty bad look.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 10, 2023, 03:32:16 PM
Glee over prison violence is a real bad look. Indifference to it is a pretty bad look.
Should we write a collective Scoop letter?
Have to think Tom Izzo is sad his good friend got stabbed
Quote from: Goose on July 10, 2023, 10:33:18 AM
I will sleep tonight. He did a lot of bad things to a lot of people. My guess is there is likely a lot of victims and their families that are not shedding any tears as well. If one victim is happy with the news, justice was served.
An absolute piece of garbage. He should be tortured every day for the rest of his life.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 10, 2023, 05:39:48 PM
An absolute piece of garbage. He should be tortured every day for the rest of his life.
As Jesus would have wanted.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 10, 2023, 06:04:41 PM
As Jesus would have wanted.
I realize we disagree about this Pakumi but I believe strongly he should spend the rest of his life in intense pain.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 10, 2023, 04:17:55 PM
Should we write a collective Scoop letter?
I just don't get why we think extrajudicial physical and sexual violence against people in the custody of our representative government should be celebrated. It flies directly in the face of who we like to think we are politically, religiously, and morally.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 10, 2023, 05:04:11 PM
Have to think Tom Izzo is sad his good friend got stabbed
Izzo knew about Nassar and that's why I have 0.0% respect for him.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 10, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
I just don't get why we think extrajudicial physical and sexual violence against people in the custody of our representative government should be celebrated. It flies directly in the face of who we like to think we are politically, religiously, and morally.
I don't celebrate it. I just don't care.
A monster like this should have been in SuperMax - 23 hours a day in the cell with 1 hour out in the cage. He wouldn't have to worry about being assaulted and the punishment would match the crime.
Quote from: Jockey on July 10, 2023, 06:41:17 PM
I don't celebrate it. I just don't care.
A monster like this should have been in SuperMax - 23 hours a day in the cell with 1 hour out in the cage. He wouldn't have to worry about being assaulted and the punishment would match the crime.
Yes. How about 15 mins a day outside of solitary.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/07/10/larry-nassar-disgraced-ex-usa-gymnastics-doctor-stabbed-in-prison/70397013007/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 10, 2023, 07:06:47 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/07/10/larry-nassar-disgraced-ex-usa-gymnastics-doctor-stabbed-in-prison/70397013007/
When did that happen?
Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.
Isn't that the whole point of prison?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 10, 2023, 07:49:53 PM
When did that happen?
MUFINY says his body language was not good at all
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 10, 2023, 08:26:52 PM
Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.
Isn't that the whole point of prison?
What prison system did you grow up with?
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 10, 2023, 08:26:52 PM
Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.
Isn't that the whole point of prison?
You actually think you can rehabilitate a person like Nassar?
He should be in prison for life along with all those people who enjoyed the Devil's lettuce before it was legalized.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 10, 2023, 08:26:52 PM
Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.
Isn't that the whole point of prison?
Not the WHOLE point. The point of prison is both retribution and rehabilitation. Criminals owe a debt to society as a whole and (if applicable) their victims. If they can be rehabilitated while paying their debt it's the best case scenario. For the career criminal not interested in rehab, just keeping them off the streets for as long as possible serves a purpose too.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 10, 2023, 08:26:52 PM
Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.
Isn't that the whole point of prison?
Hopefully he is rehabilitated after his 40-175 year sentence.
Not everything is black and white. There is a middle gray area between celebrating prison violence and feeling concern for the person. I am somewhere in that gray area.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 10, 2023, 06:06:35 PM
I realize we disagree about this Pakumi but I believe strongly he should spend the rest of his life in intense pain.
Just my opinion, of course, but I believe we lose the standing to condemn behavior like Nasser's when we also celebrate behavior like Nasser's.
Criminal violence is criminal violence, regardless of the victim.
This doesn't mean I have sympathy for Nasser. It just means I don't applaud crime.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2023, 10:08:19 AM
Criminal violence is criminal violence, regardless of the victim.
Not true. Many laws are not well principled.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 11, 2023, 10:12:17 AM
Not true. Many laws are not well principled.
Citation needed.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 10, 2023, 10:16:01 PM
Not the WHOLE point. The point of prison is both retribution and rehabilitation. Criminals owe a debt to society as a whole and (if applicable) their victims. If they can be rehabilitated while paying their debt it's the best case scenario. For the career criminal not interested in rehab, just keeping them off the streets for as long as possible serves a purpose too.
+1 - PHIL 3751 Philosophy of Crime and Punishment whatup!!
Quote from: Jockey on July 10, 2023, 06:41:17 PM
I don't celebrate it. I just don't care.
I get that - and to JB's not-incorrect point, I dont exactly spend my free time crusading for prisoner's rights, either. But the overton window on physical and sexual violence in the prison system is really problematic. It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn. I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us. There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 10, 2023, 10:16:01 PM
Not the WHOLE point. The point of prison is both retribution and rehabilitation. Criminals owe a debt to society as a whole and (if applicable) their victims. If they can be rehabilitated while paying their debt it's the best case scenario. For the career criminal not interested in rehab, just keeping them off the streets for as long as possible serves a purpose too.
Agree.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 11, 2023, 12:19:20 PMIt feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn. I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us. There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.
Agree.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 11, 2023, 12:19:20 PM
+1 - PHIL 3751 Philosophy of Crime and Punishment whatup!!
I get that - and to JB's not-incorrect point, I dont exactly spend my free time crusading for prisoner's rights, either. But the overton window on physical and sexual violence in the prison system is really problematic. It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn. I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us. There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.
Agree. I would like to think fear of going to prison and being gang raped would prevent would be criminals from committing crimes, but clearly it does not. I would also like to think putting those in jail to actual productive work (and for some even learning a trade) is viable, but I don't see that happening either.
Speaking of rehabilitation and retribution, Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten got parole today.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-201000979.html
Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2023, 04:12:41 PM
Speaking of rehabilitation and retribution, Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten got parole today.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-201000979.html
#BanKnives
Did anyone have Zevitz as a criminology professor at MU? I just googled him and noticed he passed away. I enjoyed his class
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/omaha/name/richard-zevitz-obituary?id=31125699
Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2023, 04:12:41 PM
Speaking of rehabilitation and retribution, Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten got parole today.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-201000979.html
Mlihouse's grandma.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 11, 2023, 12:33:10 PM
Agree. I would like to think fear of going to prison and being gang raped would prevent would be criminals from committing crimes, but clearly it does not. I would also like to think putting those in jail to actual productive work (and for some even learning a trade) is viable, but I don't see that happening either.
For ultra-scumbags we haven't rationally thought about deterrents.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 11, 2023, 12:19:20 PM
+1 - PHIL 3751 Philosophy of Crime and Punishment whatup!!
I get that - and to JB's not-incorrect point, I dont exactly spend my free time crusading for prisoner's rights, either. But the overton window on physical and sexual violence in the prison system is really problematic. It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn. I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us. There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.
Great class, and yep.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2023, 06:46:25 PM
For ultra-scumbags we haven't rationally thought about deterrents.
I kinda think we have. But "ultra scumbags" are going to be scumbags no matter the deterrent, and in a relatively free society, we aren't going to prevent them from their scumbaggery.
IOW, what happened to Larry Nassar isn't going to prevent the next Larry Nassar from doing Larry Nassar-like things. And there WILL be a next one.
Nassar was the next Richard Strauss.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 10, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
I just don't get why we think extrajudicial physical and sexual violence against people in the custody of our representative government should be celebrated. It flies directly in the face of who we like to think we are politically, religiously, and morally.
Yep. Exactly.
https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1679195460055990276?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 12, 2023, 06:20:13 PM
https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1679195460055990276?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
That sounds like something you would make up.