Poll
Question:
Where does OMax get picked in the NBA draft?
Option 1: Lottery (1-14)
votes: 4
Option 2: 15-20
votes: 15
Option 3: 20-25
votes: 60
Option 4: 1st round, but after 25
votes: 80
Option 5: Second round (low blk%)
votes: 43
Option 6: Undrafted
votes: 7
When does an organization draft this Warrior?
The good news is Omax is out of the dreaded end of second round prediction and now into end of first round prediction. Worked out for 16 teams. So seems like he is likely to be drafted.
Hopefully he can go to a winning organization .
Petrocelli, watt spot did Omax tink heed goe at wen ewe worked 'im out, hey?
from the Pacers twitter (https://twitter.com/Pacers/status/1668773998833065985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1668773998833065985%7Ctwgr%5Ee2f2e15cdde2e6b1dcd10a651d51baa588584827%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FPacers2Fstatus2F1668773998833065985widget%3DTweet)
From Hollinger at The Athletic:
"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools."
#LowBlk%
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 08:56:15 AM
From Hollinger at The Athletic:
"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools."
#LowBlk%
Maybe the Blk% and Reb% were a function of our system and O-Max's role within our system? O-Max was frequently chasing guards around ball screens and defending the other team's best player. I suspect the rebounding % numbers for defenders quarding the opposition's best player/highest shots percentage player is actually low.
That aside, I suspect NBA scouts/teams won't care about this and O-Max greatly exceeds the early expectations of him as a fringe late 2nd round draft choice. Seems most now think he will be a late first-rounder despite the low Blk% number. Amazing.
The blk% is so low that it's bizarre
Seems to be greatly impacting his draft status. He'd be #1 overall with a higher block %.
Hearing he might be making a late run to overtake Wembanyama, even with the block percentage.
Quote from: We R Final Four on June 20, 2023, 09:21:29 AM
Seems to be greatly impacting his draft status. He'd be #1 overall with a higher block %.
"4th best player" on MU would be a lottery pick except for his Blk%. Sad.
Seems like the guys projected lower 1st round get pushed to the 2nd due to unexpected international draft picks sneaking in. I don't know if that's changed over the years, though.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 20, 2023, 10:14:47 AM
"4th best player" on MU would be a lottery pick except for his Blk%. Sad.
Im pretty sure i heard "sixth best" at one point.. and that one broke my brain
Hollinger had Justin pegged (pawz) at #27 last year. Kiss of death for OMax at #30?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 10:42:04 AM
Hollinger had Justin pegged (pawz) at #27 last year. Kiss of death for OMax at #30?
So where you at JB? You seem to down in OMax based on his really low block numbers.....are you in the undrafted camp?
Any single mock draft or rating can certainly be wrong......but it would seem unusual for everyone to mock him in the mid first to early 2nd round and fir him to go undrafted.
For those in the poll who have him in the lottery or undrafted you seem overly optimistic or pessimistic to me.
Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2023, 11:43:57 AM
So where you at JB? You seem to down in OMax based on his really low block numbers.....are you in the undrafted camp?
Any single mock draft or rating can certainly be wrong......but it would seem unusual for everyone to mock him in the mid first to early 2nd round and fir him to go undrafted.
For those in the poll who have him in the lottery or undrafted you seem overly optimistic or pessimistic to me.
It just feels a little risky to me, and I want the best for prOMax.
I do think the reb%'s are weak, the blk% is just crazy.. like a big time statistical outlier.. it's strange.. and his usage is low for an NBA first round wing. So him going in the second round would not surprise me. But, it only takes one team.
I actually have him in the 20-25 category.
I just struggle to explain his incredibly low blk% and wouldn't be surprised to see some teams have a question mark there as well. If I'm in a front office, I think I LOVE him as a second round pick
If his mindset is "I'm ready to go pro.. first, second, whatever, I'm ready" then great. If his mindset is "I stayed in this draft bc I'm going first round", then I'm a bit nervous
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
I do think the reb%'s are weak, the blk% is just crazy.. like a big time statistical outlier.. it's strange.. and his usage is low for an NBA first round wing. So him going in the second round would not surprise me. But, it only takes one team.
nervous
The lower usage would be the bigger question mark for me. Maybe I'm wrong, but it didn't seem like he was a help defender at the rim very often. A lot of the time he was away from the hoop bringing a double team as a help defender.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 12:26:27 PM
It just feels a little risky to me, and I want the best for prOMax.
I do think the reb%'s are weak, the blk% is just crazy.. like a big time statistical outlier.. it's strange.. and his usage is low for an NBA first round wing. So him going in the second round would not surprise me. But, it only takes one team.
I actually have him in the 20-25 category.
I just struggle to explain his incredibly low blk% and wouldn't be surprised to see some teams have a question mark there as well. If I'm in a front office, I think I LOVE him as a second round pick
If his mindset is "I'm ready to go pro.. first, second, whatever, I'm ready" then great. If his mindset is "I stayed in this draft bc I'm going first round", then I'm a bit nervous
Low block % probably isn't that tough to explain. He was often out guarding the perimeter against jumpshooters. You don't block a lot of jump shots and Marquette never needed him to.
Weird stat to nitpick.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 02:29:15 PM
Low block % probably isn't that tough to explain. He was often out guarding the perimeter against jumpshooters. You don't block a lot of jump shots and Marquette never needed him to.
Weird stat to nitpick.
Not at all. This isn't a nitpick. It's a crazy stat.
The only player on the team with a lower blk% was Sean Jones. C'mon now. With that vert, that energy; it's noteworthy.
Well this bodes well....... https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1671243660501962753?s=61&t=V-11UglSSptgx62T_vj2fA
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 02:46:13 PM
Not at all. This isn't a nitpick. It's a crazy stat.
The only player on the team with a lower blk% was Sean Jones. C'mon now. With that vert, that energy; it's noteworthy.
He had the same block % as 3 of the other 4 starters. No coincidence that the 4 switchables on the perimeter don't block shots. Not that he's not capable, but that he doesn't get opportunities on the perimeter. I distinctly remember Bryce Hopkins trying to take him off the dribble from the perimeter to the basket and getting swatted away by OMax. Not many tried or were able to get to the basket from the perimeter.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 02:51:36 PM
He had the same block % as 3 of the other 4 starters. No coincidence that the 4 switchables on the perimeter don't block shots. Not that he's not capable, but that he doesn't get opportunities on the perimeter. I distinctly remember Bryce Hopkins trying to take him off the dribble from the perimeter to the basket and getting swatted away by OMax. Not many tried or were able to get to the basket from the perimeter.
Bruh, he's 6'8", athletic and has a 7'1" wingspan. Racked up 5 blocks all year. Crazy
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2023, 07:41:40 AM
Petrocelli, watt spot did Omax tink heed goe at wen ewe worked 'im out, hey?
I talked directly to numerous NBA front office people and these are the exact quotes I got:
"Not on our board. Low block % indicates he's lazy"
"Saw them in '22. Bad body language"
"After how Butler choked in the finals and Hauser was unplayable in the playoffs, Marquette affiliated guys are off our board"
"Survived living in Milwaukee without being shot or robbed. Either he's one of them or extremely lucky. Character concerns abound"
"The other shoe will drop"
"Leaders write letters. No indication he's ever wrote a letter to a coach. Very concerning"
"We read scoop. You guys are idiots"
Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2023, 02:50:06 PM
Well this bodes well....... https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1671243660501962753?s=61&t=V-11UglSSptgx62T_vj2fA
What does the NBA know? Pfft
Incredible for O-Max to get a green room invite. What a meteoric rise these past few months. Can't wait to watch on Thursday.
Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2023, 02:50:06 PM
Well this bodes well....... https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1671243660501962753?s=61&t=V-11UglSSptgx62T_vj2fA
This green room invite is great for OMax and MU
Does anyone know how they dole those out? My son told me on Sunday that he'd read something saying O-Max was not getting the invite. This would suggest either he was wrong (a distinct possibility) or that something has changed. Do teams contact NBA and make suggestions about who should be invited? Could someone have contacted the NBA since the weekend and told them to make sure O-Max is there?
On another note, I really, really feel badly for guys who are dropping in the draft and are sitting in the green room waiting to get called. All recent indications are that O-Max is in exactly the opposite situation -- rising in the draft. So hopefully he'll actually attend the draft and get called earlier than anyone expects.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 02:59:06 PM
Bruh, he's 6'8", athletic and has a 7'1" wingspan. Racked up 5 blocks all year. Crazy
But again...he guarded on the perimeter for Marquette. You don't rack up blocked shots guarding on the perimeter. Not that difficult to understand.
Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2023, 02:50:06 PM
Well this bodes well....... https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1671243660501962753?s=61&t=V-11UglSSptgx62T_vj2fA
Nice!!!!!! Although I still think he should have returned to MU. :)
It's always risky drafting a combine superstar. I'd be disappointed if my team was drafting in the middle of the first round and selected him.
He'll succeed if he lands in a spot where he isn't leaned on early and he can acclimate to everyone on the floor being as athletic as him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2023, 03:50:55 PM
Nice!!!!!! Although I still think he should have returned to MU. :)
Is this bait / a joke?
Quote from: panda on June 20, 2023, 03:53:21 PM
It's always risky drafting a combine superstar. I'd be disappointed if my team was drafting in the middle of the first round and selected him.
He'll succeed if he lands in a spot where he isn't leaned on early and he can acclimate to everyone on the floor being as athletic as him.
I think he needs to be able to consistently make a J to stick in the NBA and learn how to pass off the bounce. Guys with his length and versatility defensively are wanted but they can make plays in the half-court offensively.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2023, 03:50:55 PM
Nice!!!!!! Although I still think he should have returned to MU. :)
Wha?
YOU posted he is ranked #20 in ESPN mock draft.........kid dreams his whole life to play in the NBA.......his stock has never been higher....but by all means return to college....who knows?.....Next year he could make all the way to #18.
His game isnt perfect......but these GMS and execs are liking more and more of what they saw and who OMAX is.
And again, that J aint improving at MU.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on June 20, 2023, 04:04:12 PM
Is this bait / a joke?
I'm semi kidding. I know I'm in the minority but I don't think $ offsets having a legitimate shot for an NCAA title and the entire college experience.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 03:45:03 PM
But again...he guarded on the perimeter for Marquette. You don't rack up blocked shots guarding on the perimeter. Not that difficult to understand.
It is difficult to understand because it's so shockingly low. You're pretending OMax closed out on 3 point shooters and that's it.
Last year .. first rounders .. two guys had a Lower blk% than OMax did this year... guards Nembhard & Wesley.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
It is difficult to understand because it's so shockingly low. You're pretending OMax closed out on 3 point shooters and that's it.
Last year .. first rounders .. two guys had a Lower blk% than OMax did this year... guards Nembhard & Wesley.
Honest question.....how do you explain Omax's meteric rise in the lst two months regardless of this stat you keep harping on?
Do execs/GMs not know this stat?
Do they know this stat....but think highly of him anyways?
Do they not value the stat like you do?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2023, 04:09:16 PM
I'm semi kidding. I know I'm in the minority but I don't think $ offsets having a legitimate shot for an NCAA title and the entire college experience.
I know, right. I'm working really hard so that I'll have an NCAA title to leave to my kids (along with my entire college experience). I tried to use my entire college experience as collateral to buy my mom a house, but the loan didn't get approved.
Quote from: We R Final Four on June 20, 2023, 04:17:16 PM
Honest question.....how do you explain Omax's meteric rise in the lst two months regardless of this stat you keep harping on?
Do execs/GMs not know this stat?
Do they know this stat....but think highly of him anyways?
Do they not value the stat like you do?
Not sure what "meteric" is, but what had improved is where dorkbaits who project the draft have put him. Same dorks such as the one who had Justin in the first round, and the consensus was mid-2nd.
I'm just pointing out a reason there is risk. The usage, the rebounding, the minuscule blk%.. all risks. That said, I'm sure there are believers in his work ethic and athletic talents and size. That's why, as I said, I have him in by 25. But, I acknowledge there's risk.
I did not have "O-Max gets a green room invite" on my NBA Draft bingo card
IMO, Omax's work ethic, attitude and likely his relationship with Shaka is working in his favor. Shaka has developed NBA guys and Omax had serious improvement since his first day at MU. I would not be surprised if he goes between 17-24. Good guys with a work ethic and athleticism is what the NBA guys want on their teams.
I pull for all MU guys to break the bank and hope Omax is the first of many Shaka guys to make a name for himself.
Wondering if OMax has just been taught to stay on his feet and disrupt shots with length rather than getting airborne to attempt a block.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 03:45:03 PM
But again...he guarded on the perimeter for Marquette. You don't rack up blocked shots guarding on the perimeter. Not that difficult to understand.
Guarding on the perimeter doesn't mean you can't be a good shot blocker and that you rarely have opportunities to block shots. It's ok to admit it's a bit of a weird stat for OMax without being overly concerned about it.
He has 12 blocks his entire college career. Maybe just not something he's good at and I wouldn't say it's all due to being a good perimeter defender.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 04:25:43 PM
Not sure what "meteric" is, but what had improved is where dorkbaits who project the draft have put him. Same dorks such as the one who had Justin in the first round, and the consensus was mid-2nd.
I'm just pointing out a reason there is risk. The usage, the rebounding, the minuscule blk%.. all risks. That said, I'm sure there are believers in his work ethic and athletic talents and size. That's why, as I said, I have him in by 25. But, I acknowledge there's risk.
Are they as dorky as people that go watch high school basketball and write about it?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2023, 04:09:16 PM
I'm semi kidding. I know I'm in the minority but I don't think $ offsets having a legitimate shot for an NCAA title and the entire college experience.
Agree 100%
He'll regret this until the day he dies
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2023, 04:59:45 PM
Are they as dorky as people that go watch high school basketball and write about it?
Only you can judge, ma'am!
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 05:05:51 PM
Only you can judge, ma'am!
It appears you can judge the people writing about the draft.
What does John Hollinger know about front offices or what people in the league are saying.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2023, 05:10:04 PM
It appears you can judge the people writing about the draft.
What does John Hollinger know about front offices or what people in the league are saying.
Dunno. He had Justin at #27
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 05:25:10 PM
Dunno. He had Justin at #27
And? You think all the dorks are missing something?
You're worried about block % when damn near every player in the draft has resume warts
Dude just got a green room invite. Doesn't guarantee a first round pick but it makes it a helluva lot more likely
Quote from: We R Final Four on June 20, 2023, 04:17:16 PM
Honest question.....how do you explain Omax's meteric rise in the lst two months regardless of this stat you keep harping on?
Do execs/GMs not know this stat?
Do they know this stat....but think highly of him anyways?
Do they not value the stat like you do?
I get it. I suppose I'm being a bit myopic and selfish.
Is this what green weenie means?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 20, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Guarding on the perimeter doesn't mean you can't be a good shot blocker and that you rarely have opportunities to block shots. It's ok to admit it's a bit of a weird stat for OMax without being overly concerned about it.
He has 12 blocks his entire college career. Maybe just not something he's good at and I wouldn't say it's all due to being a good perimeter defender.
I guess I just don't think it is that weird.
He's a perimeter defender and that is where Marquette utilized him. Guys really had a difficult time driving on him to the basket and with Marquette switching often he was typically out on the perimeter and didn't get traditional shot blocking opportunities.
I think it is likely that you see his defensive game expand in the NBA to more than just a perimeter defender. He had 1 block in 22 minutes at the NBA combine too.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on June 20, 2023, 05:45:06 PM
I guess I just don't think it is that weird.
He's a perimeter defender and that is where Marquette utilized him. Guys really had a difficult time driving on him to the basket and with Marquette switching often he was typically out on the perimeter and didn't get traditional shot blocking opportunities.
I think it is likely that you see his defensive game expand in the NBA to more than just a perimeter defender. He had 1 block in 22 minutes at the NBA combine too.
Let's remember that's what it was. 22 minutes against second rounders and undrafted players.
I believe teams will like him bc of the motor and physical tools. He played HS ballin multiple countries. He's been working and will continue to.
This notion that the main reason he had the same number of blocks as both Kam and Tyler was due to him not having chances is out there.
It's a noteworthy stat. Big time outlier.
I don't know if the lack of blocks is meaningful, but even JB is right once in a while. It is really wired. Even playing and switching on the perimeter.
Ballers LOVE to block shots. If I blocked 3 shots in a game, it was all I wanted to talk about - to the guys I blocked and after the game. Even if I was the leading scorer.
It's just a weird stat.
Quote from: Jockey on June 20, 2023, 06:11:05 PM
I don't know if the lack of blocks is meaningful, but even JB is right once in a while. It is really wired. Even playing and switching on the perimeter.
Ballers LOVE to block shots. If I blocked 3 shots in a game, it was all I wanted to talk about - to the guys I blocked and after the game. Even if I was the leading scorer.
It's just a weird stat.
Especially with his wingspan and leaping ability. Like you, I love blocking shots ... but more so bc my vert is about 2 inches (my VERT). If I could leap out of the building and had a crazy large wingspan, I'd be salivating looking to swat
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 06:14:50 PM
Especially with his wingspan and leaping ability. Like you, I love blocking shots ... but more so bc my vert is about 2 inches (my VERT). If I could leap out of the building and had a crazy large wingspan, I'd be salivating looking to swat
Could that have been a strategic coaching point to keep him out of foul trouble? Challenge the shot with length and verticality, but don't swat.
I took a quick look at the 2022 draft........
It looks like only 1 green room.invite was not drafted in the first round.......Jaden Hardy.....he went 37th.
Quote from: MuMark on June 20, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
I took a quick look at the 2022 draft........
It looks like only 1 green room.invite was not drafted in the first round.......Jaden Hardy.....he went 37th.
It's happened other times as well, but not often. Hopefully, OMax isn't left in there to round two
Quote from: 1318WWells on June 20, 2023, 06:50:53 PM
Could that have been a strategic coaching point to keep him out of foul trouble? Challenge the shot with length and verticality, but don't swat.
If his FC/40 was amazing I might think otherwise, and that still might be a factor, but it wasn't. I feel like some blocks fall to you out of dumb luck when your physical attributes are what OMax's are.
The block% is just SO low
#5 was a green room invitee. Slid to the last pick in da 1st rd. for a team who hadn't even worked him out. Now rocks 2 Association rings and $45 mil. later, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2023, 07:15:22 PM
#5 was a green room invitee. Slid to the last pick in da 1st rd. for a team who hadn't even worked him out. Now rocks 2 Association rings and $45 mil. later, hey?
Wow ... James Monroe sure did great for himself!
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 04:25:43 PM
Not sure what "meteric" is, but what had improved is where dorkbaits who project the draft have put him. Same dorks such as the one who had Justin in the first round, and the consensus was mid-2nd.
I'm just pointing out a reason there is risk. The usage, the rebounding, the minuscule blk%.. all risks. That said, I'm sure there are believers in his work ethic and athletic talents and size. That's why, as I said, I have him in by 25. But, I acknowledge there's risk.
So if he gets drafted 20-25 you will admit that his low block % had NO negative effect on his draft status.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2023, 07:15:22 PM
#5 was a green room invitee. Slid to the last pick in da 1st rd. for a team who hadn't even worked him out. Now rocks 2 Association rings and $45 mil. later, hey?
Giannis and Jokic weren't even in the green room and are the best players in the NBA, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 20, 2023, 07:15:22 PM
#5 was a green room invitee. Slid to the last pick in da 1st rd. for a team who hadn't even worked him out. Now rocks 2 Association rings and $45 mil. later, hey?
Everything relates back to Kevon Looney.
Quote from: We R Final Four on June 20, 2023, 07:22:45 PM
So if he gets drafted 20-25 you will admit that his low block % had NO negative effect on his draft status.
No
Muggs had 39 blocks in the NBA. :)
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 08:56:15 AM
From Hollinger at The Athletic:
"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools."
#LowBlk%
Hard to do either while laying on the court?
Hollinger's latest look in The Athletic features a huge photo of O-Max at the beginning and lists O-Max as the 30th-ranked prospect:
The big winner from the combine, Prosper measures 6-7 in socks with a 7-1 wingspan and uncorked a 35-inch no-step vertical. That alone might get somebody into the first round, but he also scored 21 points in 22 minutes in the one scrimmage he played.
The idea of a big wing defender with some offensive juice in the O.G. Anunoby mold is extremely tempting, and that's Prosper's upside story. A non-shooter his first two years at Marquette, he shot a quasi-respectable 33.9 percent on 3s this past season and made 73.5 percent from the line.
More notably, he shot 58.9 percent on 2s in Big East play; with his size and leaping, he can finish around the basket and/or draw fouls. That makes up for his extremely limited feel in other respects, with a meager 1.5 assists per 100 possessions in conference games — of the collegians on my board here, only Seth Lundy was worse, and that includes the centers.
On tape, Prosper is a big defender with good, active feet, and his ability to check smaller players should help keep him on an NBA floor while he works out the offense. I'm not sure I'd call him a lockdown defender, but he's good. However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools.
Relative to the players above him in this tier, Prosper is the closest to on-court viability but also the oldest. I like him enough to keep him in the late-first/early-second-round tier; there's definite 3-and-D upside. I'm also a little worried everyone got too far out over their skis based on one combine game and lost sight of the full body of work.
Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2023, 08:34:38 AM
A non-shooter his first two years at Marquette
Hmmm.
Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2023, 08:34:38 AM
Hollinger's latest look in The Athletic features a huge photo of O-Max at the beginning and lists O-Max as the 30th-ranked prospect:
The big winner from the combine, Prosper measures 6-7 in socks with a 7-1 wingspan and uncorked a 35-inch no-step vertical. That alone might get somebody into the first round, but he also scored 21 points in 22 minutes in the one scrimmage he played.
The idea of a big wing defender with some offensive juice in the O.G. Anunoby mold is extremely tempting, and that's Prosper's upside story. A non-shooter his first two years at Marquette, he shot a quasi-respectable 33.9 percent on 3s this past season and made 73.5 percent from the line.
More notably, he shot 58.9 percent on 2s in Big East play; with his size and leaping, he can finish around the basket and/or draw fouls. That makes up for his extremely limited feel in other respects, with a meager 1.5 assists per 100 possessions in conference games — of the collegians on my board here, only Seth Lundy was worse, and that includes the centers.
On tape, Prosper is a big defender with good, active feet, and his ability to check smaller players should help keep him on an NBA floor while he works out the offense. I'm not sure I'd call him a lockdown defender, but he's good. However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons. The same goes for his rebounding, which is very average for a guy with elite physical tools.
Relative to the players above him in this tier, Prosper is the closest to on-court viability but also the oldest. I like him enough to keep him in the late-first/early-second-round tier; there's definite 3-and-D upside. I'm also a little worried everyone got too far out over their skis based on one combine game and lost sight of the full body of work.
All fair criticisms of OMax
As always, best to remember the NBA draft is almost always based on potential outside the top of the draft
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2023, 09:30:58 AM
All fair criticisms of OMax
As always, best to remember the NBA draft is almost always based on potential outside the top of the draft
Seems strange that his falling-down rate isn't mentioned by these so-called experts.
"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons."
Uh oh. Looks like others might notice
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 10:09:10 AM
"However, his leaping ability is weirdly invisible on that end, with just nine blocked shots in two seasons."
Uh oh. Looks like others might notice
Proof that The Athletic reads Scoop
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 21, 2023, 10:18:10 AM
Proof that The Athletic reads Scoop
It's why I voted undrafted
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2023, 10:50:24 AM
It's why I voted undrafted
Totally O-Max's fault for not choosing a dentist with a track record of sending patients to the NBA.
https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1671560043899002880?s=61&t=1P3uckyzHH0jtAgWT07uTw
Quote from: MuMark on June 21, 2023, 11:53:55 AM
https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1671560043899002880?s=61&t=1P3uckyzHH0jtAgWT07uTw
Love it.
For those who don't want to click the link: Shaka is going to the draft to see O-Max get picked.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 21, 2023, 11:38:12 AM
Totally O-Max's fault for not choosing a dentist with a track record of sending patients to the NBA.
Another dark day awaits Marquette basketball tomorrow night, I'm afraid.
29% of Scoopers have voted that OMax will not be a first rounder (I'm not included in that population, but am nervous)
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 12:08:15 PM
29% of Scoopers have voted that OMax will not be a first rounder (I'm not included in that population, but am nervous)
WTF is this Mr. Technicality and numbers nerd? 28.82%.
Hopefully we don't add "The Green Room" to entities that hate Marquette.
The recruiting value of O'Max being drafted is excellent for MU. Shaka doing a good job of getting his recruits into The Association is very helpful to MU's Cause.
The NBA champ Nuggets just traded for picks 29 and 32 in tomorrow's draft.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 21, 2023, 12:01:58 PM
Love it.
For those who don't want to click the link: Shaka is going to the draft to see O-Max get picked.
Nothing is ever guaranteed
But its sounding more and more likely hes gotten a few firm answers from teams to take him in the 1st round
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 20, 2023, 06:14:50 PM
Especially with his wingspan and leaping ability. Like you, I love blocking shots ... but more so bc my vert is about 2 inches (my VERT). If I could leap out of the building and had a crazy large wingspan, I'd be salivating looking to swat
I wonder if he was coached to NOT go for blocks? Maybe he had a tendency to bite on shot fakes, so he was told to keep his feet on the floor on close-outs? That'd make him a better overall defender (he's not whiffing), but obviously keeps the block stats low.
I'll admit I haven't watched clips to help prove/disprove this theory. Maybe he's actually going for blocks and just takes bad angles, etc.
After OMax isn't drafted tomorrow in the lottery, only one question remains.
Should Marquette move its campus to Nashville or Janesville?
Quote from: Skip Intro on June 21, 2023, 01:18:15 PM
I wonder if he was coached to NOT go for blocks? Maybe he had a tendency to bite on shot fakes, so he was told to keep his feet on the floor on close-outs? That'd make him a better overall defender (he's not whiffing), but obviously keeps the block stats low.
I'll admit I haven't watched clips to help prove/disprove this theory. Maybe he's actually going for blocks and just takes bad angles, etc.
Canadians are just too nice to block shots
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2023, 10:50:24 AM
It's why I voted undrafted
I think he'll get relegated to the Blue Room by the middle of the draft.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 21, 2023, 12:11:29 PM
Hopefully we don't add "The Green Room" to entities that hate Marquette.
"Green Weenie Room", aina?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 21, 2023, 03:10:21 PM
"Green Weenie Room", aina?
Omax, Shaka, and Jay Bee will be there.
Jay Bee will be the only one excited however.
https://twitter.com/adamfinkelstein/status/1671613700225024000?s=61&t=1P3uckyzHH0jtAgWT07uTw
https://twitter.com/truehoop/status/1671595039032590343?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: MuMark on June 21, 2023, 03:21:16 PM
https://twitter.com/adamfinkelstein/status/1671613700225024000?s=61&t=1P3uckyzHH0jtAgWT07uTw
Bam?? Who is Finkelstein?
Omax and Sam could be on the same squad next season.....
https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/nba-draft-rumors-prosper-jaquez/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 21, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Omax and Sam could be on the same squad next season.....
https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/nba-draft-rumors-prosper-jaquez/
That would be excellent. He'd get a first class lesson is leadership
Fun Video of OMax
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1662078667533733888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1662078667533733888%7Ctwgr%5E7519753ec92c84adfd724339f46e6a7137b36859%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fallucanheat.com%2F2023%2F06%2F21%2Fmiami-heat-draft-olivier-maxence-prosper%2F
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 21, 2023, 12:08:15 PM
29% of Scoopers have voted that OMax will not be a first rounder (I'm not included in that population, but am nervous)
I also voted 2nd round. I just believe potential draft picks are overpromised on where they will be drafted.
It sounds to me like he could go top 20. Would you take him ahead of Jordan Hawkins?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2023, 01:21:26 PM
After OMax isn't drafted tomorrow in the lottery, only one question remains.
Should Marquette move its campus to Nashville or Janesville?
St. Louis WarriorNets
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 21, 2023, 05:57:11 PM
It sounds to me like he could go top 20. Would you take him ahead of Jordan Hawkins?
yes.... who on earth will Jordan Hawkins guard in an NBA playoff game?
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 21, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Omax and Sam could be on the same squad next season.....
https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/nba-draft-rumors-prosper-jaquez/
From the article: " It should be noted, of course, that
OMP, as he is known , worked out for half the league in the run-up to Thursday."
Huh? I'm not going to claim nobody has ever called him "OMP" but I think it's fair to say he's got a pretty well established nickname and that's not it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 21, 2023, 05:57:11 PM
It sounds to me like he could go top 20. Would you take him ahead of Jordan Hawkins?
Cant comment....haven't seen Jordan's block %.......that is the end all be all. If better.....no way would any GM ever even consider.
Please pay attention. OMax's agent told him to sit the 2nd combine game.....and they argued over his potential of shot blocking in the 2nd game. Agent wouldn't hear it. Now teams are so confused on who OMP really is.
I'm down with OPP, yea you know me
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 21, 2023, 05:33:09 PM
Omax and Sam could be on the same squad next season.....
https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/nba-draft-rumors-prosper-jaquez/
Would help improve his writing skills.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 21, 2023, 09:17:57 PM
From the article: " It should be noted, of course, that OMP, as he is known , worked out for half the league in the run-up to Thursday."
Huh? I'm not going to claim nobody has ever called him "OMP" but I think it's fair to say he's got a pretty well established nickname and that's not it.
Could be a new nickname he received during NBA combine stuff.
Quote from: DoctorV on June 21, 2023, 10:32:21 PM
I'm down with OPP, yea you know me
Heyyyyyy, hoooooo
Heyyyyyy, hoooooo
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 22, 2023, 06:40:53 AM
Could be a new nickname he received during NBA combine stuff.
You may be right, but I've been reading a
lot about OMax during the combine/draft period and can't recall seeing it used. When I've seen/heard a nickname used, it's been "OMax."
"OMP" - 5 blocks all year
Hawkins - 3 blocks in two regular season games vs MU
#pray
Sam Vecenie's final mock draft in The Athletic has Prosper going #21 to the Nets:
The Scout: I'm probably going to end up higher on Prosper than most evaluators just because I completely buy his tools and defense. Prosper is an awesome defensive player who profiles exceptionally well toward playing important minutes because of his switchability and potential to take on extremely difficult assignments. But it all comes down to shooting. If Prosper can consistently hit 35 percent-plus from 3, he'll provide enough value to be a long-term NBA rotation player who helps teams win in high-leverage moments. He's also been one of the players who has helped himself most in the pre-draft process.
The Fit: I think the Nets are simply going with the players highest rated on their board. Prosper has been into Brooklyn a couple of times for workouts, and the team clearly has some real interest. Much like many of the teams in this range, they're also thought to like Jaquez and a few of the other players who went ahead of this, in addition to Leonard Miller and some of the guards who fall on this board.
The Range: No. 15 to 30
Quote from: tower912 on June 22, 2023, 06:43:32 AM
Heyyyyyy, hoooooo
Heyyyyyy, hoooooo
Right group...wrong song.
Quote from: MU82 on June 22, 2023, 08:54:17 AM
Sam Vecenie's final mock draft in The Athletic has Prosper going #21 to the Nets:
...same guy, last year:
"NBA Mock Draft 2022: Smith, Holmgren 1-2
44. Atlanta Hawks: Justin Lewis | 6-8 wing | 20 years old | Marquette"
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
...same guy, last year:
"NBA Mock Draft 2022: Smith, Holmgren 1-2
44. Atlanta Hawks: Justin Lewis | 6-8 wing | 20 years old | Marquette"
Show me a prognosticator that is 100% right!
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
...same guy, last year:
"NBA Mock Draft 2022: Smith, Holmgren 1-2
44. Atlanta Hawks: Justin Lewis | 6-8 wing | 20 years old | Marquette"
You've really done a great job covering your bases here, JB. If O-Max goes 20th, you can say, "See, I said he'd go 20-25." If he falls into the second round or doesn't get drafted at all, you can say, "See, I told you these prognosticators suck." Well done.
I realize it's a minor point, but I hope that they pronounce his name correctly on his big night. There is a subtle but unmistakable difference in how people pronounce his name depending on where they think the hyphen goes. And I certainly hope no one involved refers to him as "Maxence-Prosper."
Oh, and I hope they pronounce "Marquette" correctly when they're talking about him.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 22, 2023, 09:45:38 AM
I realize it's a minor point, but I hope that they pronounce his name correctly on his big night. There is a subtle but unmistakable difference in how people pronounce his name depending on where they think the hyphen goes. And I certainly hope no one involved refers to him as "Maxence-Prosper."
Oh, and I hope they pronounce "Marquette" correctly when they're talking about him.
"And after being selected by the Pistons, OMax won't even need to move out of the state!"
Quote from: MU82 on June 22, 2023, 09:39:07 AM
You've really done a great job covering your bases here, JB. If O-Max goes 20th, you can say, "See, I said he'd go 20-25." If he falls into the second round or doesn't get drafted at all, you can say, "See, I told you these prognosticators suck." Well done.
It's a marketing tool
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 22, 2023, 09:45:38 AM
I realize it's a minor point, but I hope that they pronounce his name correctly on his big night. There is a subtle but unmistakable difference in how people pronounce his name depending on where they think the hyphen goes. And I certainly hope no one involved refers to him as "Maxence-Prosper."
Oh, and I hope they pronounce "Marquette" correctly when they're talking about him.
University of Marquette
Clemson alum
Well, the obvious answer is that he will be selected in Brooklyn...
A roundup of a bunch of final mocks and big boards.
https://painttouches.com/2023/06/22/comprehensive-list-of-omax-nba-draft-projections-oliver-maxence-prosper-marquette/ (https://painttouches.com/2023/06/22/comprehensive-list-of-omax-nba-draft-projections-oliver-maxence-prosper-marquette/)
(https://painttouches.files.wordpress.com/2023/06/image.png)
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
...same guy, last year:
"NBA Mock Draft 2022: Smith, Holmgren 1-2
44. Atlanta Hawks: Justin Lewis | 6-8 wing | 20 years old | Marquette"
So because a mock draft was wrong about Lewis it can also be wrong about Prosper? Shocking.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 09:21:23 AM
...same guy, last year:
"NBA Mock Draft 2022: Smith, Holmgren 1-2
44. Atlanta Hawks: Justin Lewis | 6-8 wing | 20 years old | Marquette"
your act is tired
Didn't see MUBB's Tweet (https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1671892910202327041?s=20) for OMax posted yet.
Love this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 21, 2023, 05:57:11 PM
It sounds to me like he could go top 20. Would you take him ahead of Jordan Hawkins?
#18 to the Heat. Nevada piping info to Spo + Jimmy demanding his guy
Quote from: pux90mex on June 22, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
A roundup of a bunch of final mocks and big boards.
There is certainly the possibility that these folks are playing follow-the-pack. Better to be wrong and able to say "well, everybody was wrong" than to be wrong when everyone else is right.
But given that some of the mockers are actual reporters who talk regularly to insiders, it makes O-Max's ascension believable. Especially when put in the context of his performance at the Combine and in some individual workouts.
After last year's Combine, people weren't raving about Lewis anywhere near the way they are about Prosper. In retrospect, it looks like JL got some bad advice not to participate in at least one scrimmage.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 22, 2023, 01:19:47 PM
Didn't see MUBB's Tweet (https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1671892910202327041?s=20) for OMax posted yet.
Love this.
Need to send this to every recruit after tonight
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 22, 2023, 01:27:39 PM
Need to send this to every recruit after tonight
Indeed. From the video: "Going into the recruiting process again, I was really looking for a connection with the head coach...one thing I got from him from all the conversations we had - he was investing into his players and he wanted our best."
No mention here of shot blocking...........but other stuff is talked about.......
https://twitter.com/shot_quality/status/1671972271462686731?s=61&t=v9co-gsbeKIzqcxIXpY--w
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 22, 2023, 01:19:47 PM
Didn't see MUBB's Tweet (https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1671892910202327041?s=20) for OMax posted yet.
Love this.
I'm confused. I thought Marquette's marketing department sucked?
Woelf bomb: https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1671981990860431380
"The consensus among several NBA officials is that former Marquette standout Olivier-Maxence Prosper will start drawing serious consideration in tonight's NBA draft at pick 18, which belongs to the Miami Heat. None of the officials expect Prosper to go any later than 30."
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 22, 2023, 04:48:53 PM
Woelf bomb: https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/1671981990860431380
"The consensus among several NBA officials is that former Marquette standout Olivier-Maxence Prosper will start drawing serious consideration in tonight's NBA draft at pick 18, which belongs to the Miami Heat. None of the officials expect Prosper to go any later than 30."
Shoot. He may not get drafted now
Looking forward to seeing where he 'falls.'
Mubb is promoting this hard, leveraging it for recruiting especially. Way beyond what they did for Lewis last year. https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1671989170334494723
Suggests they're very confident O-Max will be drafted early. Sure seems like the first round has become a consensus across the board.
Miami would be cool... Cain transfers out... need for OMax arises. Both now with org
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 05:09:24 PM
Miami would be cool... Cain transfers out... need for OMax arises. Both now with org
Miami seems to have a knack for developing guys and getting them to stick in the league. Great place to develop.
Would love to see the Heat. I also liked to see the Celtics moving up to 25. They have some reported interest.
I'm guessing #24.
BAM.
:)
OMax one of the featured intros, pretty cool
Whitmore in free-fall right now
Edit: Jaquez before Whitmore is wild, love Jaime Jaquez, did not expect a first round selection for him.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 22, 2023, 09:04:13 PM
Whitmore in free-fall right now
Edit: Jaquez before Whitmore is wild, love Jaime Jaquez, did not expect a first round selection for him.
Medical concerns for Whitemore
https://twitter.com/jeremywoo/status/1672056239478435841?s=61&t=MWFE3k6Wx6ds13VcHxJBqg
Goodman, Pat Garrity and Robbie Hummel talking about OMax now on Stadium.
24 to Dallas via Sacramento
Good luck, OMax!
7 picks left in Round 1, Bilal doesn't have OMax in his 10 best remaining players. Good news is he's wrong a lot.
Here we go
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1672072349707911168?s=61&t=MWFE3k6Wx6ds13VcHxJBqg
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 22, 2023, 09:43:30 PM
7 picks left in Round 1, Bilal doesn't have OMax in his 10 best remaining players. Good news is he's wrong a lot.
He's wrong again!
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 22, 2023, 06:02:28 PM
I'm guessing #24.
BAM.
:)
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Congrats OMAX!
Congrats to OMax!
#24. Nice. And Dallas really wanted him - traded to get him.
Nice suit, too!
Wow really impressive. Didn't really see him being a draft pick at all during the season let alone 1st round. really blew up post season.
Only question from no name reporter.... How did the NBA Academy prepare you for the NBA? There was no mention of his college career let alone Marquette. Insulting deliberate? Also, pretty obvious inclusive effort here by ESPN. Is Bilas intentionally showing no effort for chemistry? Not a good vibe tonight with crew. Feels very tense, sanitized, boring. Like a university of Wisconsin basketball game. Can't remember one advertiser.
Wow - congrats Omax. What a journey - hard work and great attitude really paid off. Best of luck!
Awesome for OMax. Now just need Dallas to get rid of Kyrie for someone who will be available every night.
Awesome. Getting to play with Luka is pretty cool. OMax is already more mature than Kyrie.
Hell yeah! Great news! Great for Shaka and the program!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 22, 2023, 09:44:54 PM
He's wrong again!
Can't ESPN afford to hire a real draft expert ?
Quote from: MU82 on June 22, 2023, 09:46:34 PM
#24. Nice. And Dallas really wanted him - traded to get him.
Nice suit, too!
I'll be honest, not a huge fan he ended up in Dallas. Terrible coach and a weird roster.
Big congrats, OMax! We loved ya at Marquette! All the best!
Quote from: MuMark on June 22, 2023, 09:51:26 PM
Can't ESPN afford to hire a real draft expert ?
This is the same guy who had Hinrich ahead of Wade. Enough said. :)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 22, 2023, 09:51:36 PM
I'll be honest, not a huge fan he ended up in Dallas. Terrible coach and a weird roster.
Agreed. Wanted him badly on the Kings. Hopefully he overcomes the chaos.
28.7% of us nailed the 20-25 poll option. Congrats to us!! #Experts
Congrats Omax
No state income tax on your Texas income is a nice additional benefit
ESPN hyping the NBA academy at the expense of MU was kind of crappy but to be expected
ESPN hates us.
Congratulations to Omax! Impressive. Can only be good for Shaka and recruiting as well.
Really happy for OMax - unselfish, hardworking player and it paid off. Whatever happens on the court he'll be a great representative for MU and Shaka's program.
Quote from: MU82 on June 22, 2023, 09:55:55 PM
ESPN hates us.
They do! Big East and anyone that doesn't sign with them...
Truthfully I think we can use AI options to replace most of these ESPN people.
Congrats O-Max. You will always have Marquette behind you.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 09:54:00 PM
28.7% of us nailed the 20-25 poll option. Congrats to us!! #Experts
We're 28.7 percenters, JB!
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 22, 2023, 09:54:00 PM
28.7% of us nailed the 20-25 poll option. Congrats to us!! #Experts
Blk%nomatta
Quote from: Knight Commission on June 22, 2023, 09:49:11 PM
Only question from no name reporter.... How did the NBA Academy prepare you for the NBA? There was no mention of his college career let alone Marquette. Insulting deliberate? Also, pretty obvious inclusive effort here by ESPN. Is Bilas intentionally showing no effort for chemistry? Not a good vibe tonight with crew. Feels very tense, sanitized, boring. Like a university of Wisconsin basketball game. Can't remember one advertiser.
Being an NBA telecast, I could see them wanting to promote that Academy angle.
Congrats to OMax! Hoping he has lots of success in Dallas.
Awesome for OMax, congrats!
Never a doubt.
Good luck, OMax. Thank you for your time at Marquette.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 07:25:34 AM
Never a doubt.
Good luck, OMax. Thank you for your time at Marquette.
Nice call quite a while ago by the few Scoopers who said O-Max would be an NBA player. I think you were one of them, tower, and I'm pretty sure Goose was another.
Watching the 2022 playoffs, I was struck by the pace of play and the constant switching on defense. OMax plays fast and can guard 5 positions.
Which is why I am calling my shot again.
If, AND ONLY IF, Oso shows the range in games that he has shown in his summer hype video, he will be drafted a year from now.
6'9, handles the ball, passes the ball, can run an offense through him a la Green at GS, has shown the ability to guard multiple positions. If he shoots the 3 at 35%, bank it.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
Watching the 2022 playoffs, I was struck by the pace of play and the constant switching on defense. OMax plays fast and can guard 5 positions.
Which is why I am calling my shot again.
If, AND ONLY IF, Oso shows the range in games that he has shown in his summer hype video, he will be drafted a year from now.
6'9, handles the ball, passes the ball, can run an offense through him a la Green at GS, has shown the ability to guard multiple positions. If he shoots the 3 at 35%, bank it.
Mostly agree. I think he has a chance to get drafted even if he doesn't shoot the 3 that high. O-Max never made 3s at that high a percentage.
If Oso hits the occasional 3 and gets his FT% up, many NBA types will believe they can develop his shot. IMHO, if he is to have an NBA career -- either as a drafted player or a post-draft signee -- it will be because of the other stuff he can do on the court.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
Watching the 2022 playoffs, I was struck by the pace of play and the constant switching on defense. OMax plays fast and can guard 5 positions.
Which is why I am calling my shot again.
If, AND ONLY IF, Oso shows the range in games that he has shown in his summer hype video, he will be drafted a year from now.
6'9, handles the ball, passes the ball, can run an offense through him a la Green at GS, has shown the ability to guard multiple positions. If he shoots the 3 at 35%, bank it.
I agree on Oso. There is a spot for him in the NBA. An athletic big with handles and vision who can facilitate, finish above the rim and play defense has a spot. Shooting from distance will be a bonus.
Andre Jackson can't shoot from distance and was just drafted by the Bucks for all the same reasons and Oso is taller.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 23, 2023, 09:10:36 AM
Andre Jackson can't shoot from distance and was just drafted by the Bucks for all the same reasons and Oso is taller.
Just came to say this exact thing.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
Watching the 2022 playoffs, I was struck by the pace of play and the constant switching on defense. OMax plays fast and can guard 5 positions.
Which is why I am calling my shot again.
If, AND ONLY IF, Oso shows the range in games that he has shown in his summer hype video, he will be drafted a year from now.
6'9, handles the ball, passes the ball, can run an offense through him a la Green at GS, has shown the ability to guard multiple positions. If he shoots the 3 at 35%, bank it.
Oso now listed at 6-11 so without shoes will be 6-9 ish and he has bulked up. He is a winner, runs the floor very well, plays extremely smart and there is no question he will make The Association in some manner.
The shooting improvement will determine his draft status , drafted versus free agent with two way contract.
MU might have more than one guy drafted in the NBA a year from now. It would not surprise me if Oso and Gold both were drafted next season.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
Watching the 2022 playoffs, I was struck by the pace of play and the constant switching on defense. OMax plays fast and can guard 5 positions.
Which is why I am calling my shot again.
If, AND ONLY IF, Oso shows the range in games that he has shown in his summer hype video, he will be drafted a year from now.
6'9, handles the ball, passes the ball, can run an offense through him a la Green at GS, has shown the ability to guard multiple positions. If he shoots the 3 at 35%, bank it.
You don't need to shoot well from three. You just need to shoot well from the free throw line.
Drew Timme shot well from the line, poorly from 3. UDFA. Of course, he is seen as an undersized 5. But Oso will be seen that way as well without the 3 pt range.
Pundits grading the draft have been generally positive about the OMax pick
- A+ (Dallas overall) - Sporting News (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-draft-grades-2023-best-spurs-worst-clippers/cqc6kaw5xpwnfvbxfju3f38x)
- A (Dallas overall) - USA Today (https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-draft-grades-2023-every-team-class)
- A - Clutch Points (https://clutchpoints.com/2023-nba-draft-first-round-pick-grades)
- A- - SB Nation (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/6/22/23770524/nba-draft-2023-grades-instant-every-pick-hornets-trail-blazers)(I like the grade, but is it really that hard to figure out where the hyphen goes?)
- B+ (Dallas overall) - SI (https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2023-nba-draft-team-pick-grades) (with statement that Lively was a reach and implied that it pulled the grade down)
- B+ - Yahoo! (https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-draft-grades-first-round-pick-by-pick-analysis-trade-updates-001311447.html)
- B - Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10080250-2023-nba-draft-live-grades-for-every-pick)
- B (Dallas overall) - New York Post (https://nypost.com/2023/06/23/2023-nba-draft-grades-how-each-team-fared-in-the-first-round/) ("While Lively doesn't feel like an immediate impact player – he was underwhelming for most of his freshman year at Duke – Prosper presents terrific value where he was picked as a physical defender who took a major leap on the offensive end this year." - once again, Lively seems to be pulling the grade down)
- B - Draft Kings (https://dknation.draftkings.com/2023/6/22/23761614/nba-draft-2023-picks-grades-trades-analysis-spurs-wembanyama-hornets-blazers-rockets-pistons) ("Prosper has a chance to play right away...") (I would expect a higher grade for a 24th pick that has a chance to play "right away)
- B - CBS (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2023-nba-draft-grades-pick-by-pick-analysis-of-all-58-selections-with-intrigue-starting-right-after-no-1/)
Quote from: Goose on June 23, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
MU might have more than one guy drafted in the NBA a year from now. It would not surprise me if Oso and Gold both were drafted next season.
Your thoughts on Kolek as well in the 2024 draft??
I respect your opinion.
If Oso shoots 35% or better from three on decent volume, he'll be a lottery pick.
Dribbler
I think Kolek has a chance to play in the NBA and possibly be drafted. There is plenty to like about him and I think if improves his shooting, his chances go up quite a bit. I think he has a much better chance than Kam does.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 23, 2023, 10:09:48 AM
Your thoughts on Kolek as well in the 2024 draft??
I respect your opinion.
I'd be surprised on Gold.
Think he'll be more along the lines of the OMax 3 year plan. He'll come back for 1 year to be a starter.
Quote from: Goose on June 23, 2023, 10:13:09 AM
I think Kolek has a chance to play in the NBA and possibly be drafted. There is plenty to like about him and I think if improves his shooting, his chances go up quite a bit. I think he has a much better chance than Kam does.
Agree on all that - I've been saying much the same. Lesser accomplished Big East PGs than Kolek have been drafted.
I will add a caveat, though: It might be looked at as a pretty big negative if he plays poorly in the NCAAT again.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 23, 2023, 10:10:55 AM
If Oso shoots 35% or better from three on decent volume, he'll be a lottery pick.
35% is basically Kam Jones this last year (36%). Now there is an element of volume and shot difficulty that I don't think Oso would touch but if Oso launches 1.5 per game at 35% he's likely BE PoY and I agree hard not to see him as lottery material.
Quote from: tower912 on June 23, 2023, 09:59:03 AM
Drew Timme shot well from the line, poorly from 3. UDFA. Of course, he is seen as an undersized 5. But Oso will be seen that way as well without the 3 pt range.
Except way above the rim compared to Timme. Much better athlete.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 22, 2023, 09:49:51 PM
Awesome. Getting to play with Luka is pretty cool. OMax is already more mature than Kyrie.
TBH, I didn't know Kyrie was even still in the league.
It's like he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
Quote from: barfolomew on June 23, 2023, 12:29:57 PM
TBH, I didn't know Kyrie was even still in the league.
It's like he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
Win
Quote from: barfolomew on June 23, 2023, 12:29:57 PM
TBH, I didn't know Kyrie was even still in the league.
It's like he kinda fell off the face of the earth.
That'll happen. If only the earth wasn't flat.
Tweet I saw
OMax nugget:
You want defense?
Opponents shot 26% on jump shots when he contested....#1 amongst Top 100 prospects with more than 50 contested jumpers.
Opponents shot 24% on all possessions with OMax as nearest defender.
Yes, please."
Pretty crazy numbers.
And that's why the block % was really not that big of a deal. Guarding without blocking isn't bad at all.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2023, 02:09:48 PM
And that's why the block % was really not that big of a deal. Guarding without blocking isn't bad at all.
It's almost as if a contested miss is better than a blocked shot.
oh wait..... it is.
Quote from: jfp61 on June 23, 2023, 02:35:55 PM
It's almost as if a contested miss is better than a blocked shot.
oh wait..... it is.
A contested shot isn't better than a blocked shot though. Blocked shots are made 0% of the time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 23, 2023, 03:51:59 PM
A contested shot isn't better than a blocked shot though. Blocked shots are made 0% of the time.
True but .... I said contested miss.
A missed shot is also made 0% of the time. And it is more frequently rebounded by the defense than a blocked shot is rebounded by the defense.
Blocked shots have increased offensive rebound rates because they return straight back to the shooter or they go out of bounds.
Perhaps Trayce Jackson - Davis is a better comp for Oso.
https://twitter.com/timeforjeffrey/status/1672268492123381761
"I don't see these guys playing the G League. We'll develop their offense as they get on the floor contributing on the defensive end." - Mavs GM Nico Harrison on Dereck Lively and Olivier-Maxence Prosper as rookies
Quote from: jfp61 on June 23, 2023, 03:58:26 PM
True but .... I said contested miss.
A missed shot is also made 0% of the time. And it is more frequently rebounded by the defense than a blocked shot is rebounded by the defense.
Blocked shots have increased offensive rebound rates because they return straight back to the shooter or they go out of bounds.
A blocked shot is a contested miss. :D
Nm
https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/status/1672276538761392143?s=46&t=MgFcVSyNZ3trQo7jtjCxVg
Not sure I can root for anything Dallas.. but in OMax & Lively II, they got two good individuals. Hopefully they turn out as players too.