I have now officially become old, but I was on Marquette's campus today and was taken aback. Most of the traditional haunts from my era (Class of 2010) are no longer in business and are just empty storefronts. Dog Haus - gone. Sal's Pizza - gone. Sobelman's Marquette - gone. Marquette Gyro - gone. Broken Yolk - just lost their lease and closed.
What campus is left with is a bunch of generic chains: Qdoba, Jimmy John's, Burger King, Papa John's. When will the administration wake up to the fact no one is forming any memories at those places and do more to support independent businesses on campus?
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on May 23, 2023, 12:44:39 PM
I have now officially become old, but I was on Marquette's campus today and was taken aback. Most of the traditional haunts from my era (Class of 2010) are no longer in business and are just empty storefronts. Dog Haus - gone. Sal's Pizza - gone. Sobelman's Marquette - gone. Marquette Gyro - gone. Broken Yolk - just lost their lease and closed.
What campus is left with is a bunch of generic chains: Qdoba, Jimmy John's, Burger King, Papa John's. When will the administration wake up to the fact no one is forming any memories at those places and do more to support independent businesses on campus?
How do you know this?
Ya didant parc a Kia, did ya, hey?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2023, 12:48:37 PM
How do you know this?
Because no one wants to acknowledge eating at a Burger King let alone remember they were there.
They should bring the Dairy Queen back.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on May 23, 2023, 12:54:23 PM
Because no one wants to acknowledge eating at a Burger King let alone remember they were there.
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 23, 2023, 01:03:11 PM
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
It's a natural consequence of eating at Burger King. Though most people can hold it long enough to make it home.
#weakconstitution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ESbtYg055M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ESbtYg055M)
And after the date, ima wanna do the wild thang / you want lobster, huh? I'm thinkin burger kang
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 23, 2023, 12:56:14 PM
They should bring the Dairy Queen back.
Chicken strip basket was on point.
Next up....velcro New Balance, jorts, and early bird specials.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 23, 2023, 12:49:51 PM
Ya didant parc a Kia, did ya, hey?
He's Ubering home if he did.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 23, 2023, 01:03:11 PM
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
With your right hand.
I'm willing to bet we have the worst on campus food options of any college in America
I graduated in 2010 also and thinking back not only did we have the options the OP mentioned but we had Angelo's, China Garden (nothing like getting high and hitting the buffet), Ziggys, Cousins, Subway, George Webb for a couple years, OP burritos, and probably more that I can't remember.
Having Jimmy John's and Burger King be your options is brutal. The places I mention weren't the best (except Angelo's and Gyro's) but at least there were options.
Quote from: swoopem on May 23, 2023, 02:19:07 PM
I'm willing to bet we have the worst on campus food options of any college in America
I graduated in 2010 also and thinking back not only did we have the options the OP mentioned but we had Angelo's, China Garden (nothing like getting high and hitting the buffet), Ziggys, Cousins, Subway, George Webb for a couple years, OP burritos, and probably more that I can't remember.
Having Jimmy John's and Burger King be your options is brutal. The places I mention weren't the best (except Angelo's and Gyro's) but at least there were options.
But how are they when it comes to salt?
I think Wisconsin, but I know some have looked at changing it.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64781.0
It was discussed here.
The Burger King closed.
Also, Marquette owns that entire block on the south side of Wells between 16th and 17th.
My guess is that they intentionally let those leases lapse because they want to redevelop it.
One of the reasons the restaurant scene around Marquette isn't thriving is because the studetns are way more mobile. A higher percentage of kids have cars, and they can take Uber or Lyft to go to places like Third Street and the Third Ward.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 23, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
The Burger King closed.
Also, Marquette owns that entire block on the south side of Wells between 16th and 17th.
My guess is that they intentionally let those leases lapse because they want to redevelop it.
One of the reasons the restaurant scene around Marquette isn't thriving is because the studetns are way more mobile. A higher percentage of kids have cars, and they can take Uber or Lyft to go to places like Third Street and the Third Ward.
My guess is that there are more options on campus too.
Quote from: swoopem on May 23, 2023, 02:19:07 PM
I'm willing to bet we have the worst on campus food options of any college in America
Sadly, not even close. There are some truly abysmal food situations at many universities. And many of those don't have a short walk to an urban center to make up for it.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 23, 2023, 03:52:49 PM
Sadly, not even close. There are some truly abysmal food situations at many universities. And many of those don't have a short walk to an urban center to make up for it.
I tend to agree. I think MU was above average and is just moving to the average.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 23, 2023, 02:53:52 PM
My guess is that there are more options on campus too.
Yes. Marquette has a food hall in the AMU, and several of the new academic halls that have been built in the last several years (including the Law School and Bus Ad builiding) have their own cafes.
The dining hall at the newer Commons residence hall has a BBQ smoker and a wood-fired pizza oven.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 23, 2023, 03:52:49 PM
Sadly, not even close. There are some truly abysmal food situations at many universities. And many of those don't have a short walk to an urban center to make up for it.
I don't know. Now that BK is closed, there's only Jimmy John's, qudoba, papa John's (which, if I recall doesn't stay open very late), and real chili (which is obviously awesome).
Most exits off the highway have more options than that
Quote from: warriorchick on May 23, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
The Burger King closed.
Also, Marquette owns that entire block on the south side of Wells between 16th and 17th.
My guess is that they intentionally let those leases lapse because they want to redevelop it.
One of the reasons the restaurant scene around Marquette isn't thriving is because the studetns are way more mobile. A higher percentage of kids have cars, and they can take Uber or Lyft to go to places like Third Street and the Third Ward.
This is correct, and a developer told me with the food delivery apps, restaurants don't necessarily want to pay higher rents to be near MU for a seasonal business. I was told MU is listening to ideas, as I wanted to throw my name into the hat. I really think there could be incredible opportunity in the next 2-5 years.
Of all the reasons I have heard for deciding not to attend a particular university, "The restaurant options immediately off-campus didn't light me up" is not one of them
Lots of universities have literally no off-campus options within walking distance because they are either in the middle of a cornfield or a residential neighborhood.
IIRC, Butler has nothing in the immediate area. And when Glow Jr and I went on a campus visit some years ago, the on-campus food was pretty mediocre.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 23, 2023, 01:03:11 PM
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
Creepy King?
Quote from: warriorchick on May 23, 2023, 06:47:43 PM
Of all the reasons I have heard for deciding not to attend a particular university, "The restaurant options immediately off-campus didn't light me up" is not one of them
Lots of universities have literally no off-campus options within walking distance because they are either in the middle of a cornfield or a residential neighborhood.
IIRC, Butler has nothing in the immediate area. And when Glow Jr and I went on a campus visit some years ago, the on-campus food was pretty mediocre.
MU should be better than those crappy schools.
Fun fact: the Annex was good for a good solid 6-9 months when it opened in 1994.
It has the decor you want in a nostalgic campus haunt. But service & food now is uninhabitable.
Real Chili is the only option now. And that's at best "fast casual".
The campus deserves better. I work on West St. Paul. It's a food desert. My staff would love more than a Q doba option.
I imagine Versiti, Aurora & Courthouse employees would say the same. Talking to BroYo staff, MU did them mo favors. Too bad, that couple bled MU.
Hopefully we get a Panera. That'll fix it.
Bring back the IHOP.
And the Rocky Rococo.
BroYo a big loss. Portion size large.
Davante loved that place.
Quote from: tower912 on May 23, 2023, 08:54:01 PM
Bring back the IHOP.
And the Rocky Rococo.
This is funny to you but I'm a owner of a company that is HQ'd with in less than a mile of MU and I have a staff of 25+ who want real food options.
I mean, any restaurant on campus not named Jimmy Johns or Qdoba is gonna struggle though.
Think about the demographic, it's a college campus, nobody from Milwaukee is going west of 3rd street to eat so you need cheap, casual stuff (like Qdoba).
Dog Haus, Marquette Gyros, Soblemans are all dead for most of the day, and even most nights. And odds are if you do want a good bite to eat, you're going to downtown Milwaukee where there are just better food options. Or are on a meal plan and eating for "free"
Quote from: swoopem on May 23, 2023, 05:14:46 PM
I don't know. Now that BK is closed, there's only Jimmy John's, qudoba, papa John's (which, if I recall doesn't stay open very late), and real chili (which is obviously awesome).
Most exits off the highway have more options than that
That's three more than many colleges have and four more than some. And again, many don't have anything like the third ward a short walk away.
Bring back Pita Bros.
Quote from: The Lens on May 23, 2023, 08:34:38 PM
Fun fact: the Annex was good for a good solid 6-9 months when it opened in 1994.
It has the decor you want in a nostalgic campus haunt. But service & food now is uninhabitable.
Real Chili is the only option now. And that's at best "fast casual".
The campus deserves better. I work on West St. Paul. It's a food desert. My staff would love more than a Q doba option.
I imagine Versiti, Aurora & Courthouse employees would say the same. Talking to BroYo staff, MU did them mo favors. Too bad, that couple bled MU.
Hopefully we get a Panera. That'll fix it.
It's not Marquette's job to feed the neighborhood.
All colleges and universities have captured the market for students who used to go elsewhere in the evenings and on the weekends.
TAMU is right about this. These off campus options are disappearing everywhere. Or have been for awhile.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 24, 2023, 05:58:39 AM
It's not Marquette's job to feed the neighborhood.
All colleges and universities have captured the market for students who used to go elsewhere in the evenings and on the weekends.
TAMU is right about this. These off campus options are disappearing everywhere. Or have been for awhile.
I'm pointing out to you that three very large institutions abut campus and that MU is actively killing leases of good partners.
So while you're correct in saying they don't have an obligation I'm saying that there is a market.
Quote from: The Lens on May 23, 2023, 08:34:38 PM
Real Chili is the only option now. And that's at best "fast casual".
The death meal. Kills taste buds, clogs arteries. Best known rationale for going vegan.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 24, 2023, 12:11:39 AM
That's three more than many colleges have and four more than some. And again, many don't have anything like the third ward a short walk away.
Ain't nobody walkin to the 3rd ward
Quote from: panda on May 24, 2023, 06:47:53 AM
Ain't nobody walkin to the 3rd ward
It's middle of February, 2am, and you're at last call at Murphy's or Caffs. Hey, I got an idea...let's walk to the third ward to get something to eat.
The food options are terrible. It's ok to admit it
Quote from: swoopem on May 24, 2023, 07:04:29 AM
It's middle of February, 2am, and you're at last call at Murphy's or Caffs. Hey, I got an idea...let's walk to the third ward to get something to eat.
The food options are terrible. It's ok to admit it
Counter point. Let's get something doordashed.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on May 24, 2023, 07:12:15 AM
Counter point. Let's get something doordashed.
Good point, and I guess that's how students operate these days. Although it's more expensive and takes longer than a being able to walk somewhere on campus
Your family has #MUWBB season tickets.
Where are you going before or after the game?
Quote from: swoopem on May 24, 2023, 07:04:29 AM
It's middle of February, 2am, and you're at last call at Murphy's or Caffs. Hey, I got an idea...let's walk to the third ward to get something to eat.
The food options are terrible. It's ok to admit it
I prefer Subway in those conditions and that hour.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on May 24, 2023, 07:12:15 AM
Counter point. Let's get something doordashed.
But where are the drunk college kids going to be able to go to pick fights with MU basketball players?
Quote from: swoopem on May 24, 2023, 07:04:29 AM
The food options are terrible. It's ok to admit it
No one said otherwise. Just pointing out that they are terrible at many universities and in a lot of cases even worse.
It's easy for sultan to downplay the lack of food options on campus when he's accustomed to eating at fine dining establishments like The Mecca.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on May 24, 2023, 07:22:05 AM
I prefer Subway in those conditions and that hour.
Sultan and chick suggest the dinning halls
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 24, 2023, 07:37:54 AM
No one said otherwise. Just pointing out that they are terrible at many universities and in a lot of cases even worse.
You sound like a Wojo supporter. It's bad, but it could be wayyyyy worse ! Lol
There are only two places university students should be after dark, the library or in bed but that's modern America for you. Total lack of morals
Pizza Shuttle delivers, hey
Yeah, regardless of whether there are campuses in the middle of nowhere that have worse options, the food options at and around Marquette for students are a complete joke. Sure you can get stuff Doordashed by paying double what you should be paying and getting your food after it's sat out for over a half hour. And I get that there are reasons it is the way it is. But the options are absolutely horrible.
We're destined for a picture of Mike Lovell with a giant scissors in front of a Panera.
Quote from: panda on May 24, 2023, 07:49:31 AM
You sound like a Wojo supporter. It's bad, but it could be wayyyyy worse ! Lol
Ha. I was only responding to the claim that Marquette's situation was the worst in country. Sadly for college students everywhere, it is closer to the average than the worst.
Unfortunate reality is that most non-fast food franchise that tries to depend on college kids as their main source of customers is going to go out of business. Most college kids are broke, prioritize price over quality, have access to already paid for food on campus, and disappear for about a third of the year.
Quote from: The Lens on May 24, 2023, 06:39:58 AM
I'm pointing out to you that three very large institutions abut campus and that MU is actively killing leases of good partners.
So while you're correct in saying they don't have an obligation I'm saying that there is a market.
Why is Marquette killing those leases? It's not run by dummies - they obviously have their reasons. Do they have something else planned for the site? I don't know the answers, but I am sure they will be revealed eventually.
And if there is a market out there, then restaurants will open up elsewhere.
Quote from: panda on May 24, 2023, 07:49:31 AM
You sound like a Wojo supporter. It's bad, but it could be wayyyyy worse ! Lol
Former campus restaurants as Marquette head coaches: I think Wojo was the Dogg Haus.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 24, 2023, 09:08:03 AM
Why is Marquette killing those leases? It's not run by dummies - they obviously have their reasons. Do they have something else planned for the site? I don't know the answers, but I am sure they will be revealed eventually.
Making room for the new football stadium
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 24, 2023, 09:08:03 AM
Why is Marquette killing those leases? It's not run by dummies - they obviously have their reasons. Do they have something else planned for the site? I don't know the answers, but I am sure they will be revealed eventually.
And if there is a market out there, then restaurants will open up elsewhere.
It's been a few since I have been back. Aside from Real Chili, what is the oldest establishment still remaining?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 24, 2023, 09:08:03 AM
Why is Marquette killing those leases? It's not run by dummies - they obviously have their reasons. Do they have something else planned for the site? I don't know the answers, but I am sure they will be revealed eventually.
And if there is a market out there, then restaurants will open up elsewhere.
More grass lots! Like where Gyro's and Hegertty's were
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 24, 2023, 08:26:21 AM
Pizza Shuttle delivers, hey
And the driver will likely do a keg stand and a bong rip with you too.
Quote from: swoopem on May 24, 2023, 07:04:29 AM
It's middle of February, 2am, and you're at last call at Murphy's or Caffs. Hey, I got an idea...let's walk to the third ward to get something to eat.
That's what Chili is for.
And how many businesses can actually stay in business relying on the drunk food business?
Another factor: Who is going to work at these places? Fewer and fewer Marquette students work these days, especially at non-glamorous jobs like fast food. Despite being one of the highest-paying jobs on campus, MUPD has resorted to signing and referral bonuses to get kids to drive LIMO, and they are still short-staffed.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 24, 2023, 09:08:03 AM
Why is Marquette killing those leases? It's not run by dummies - they obviously have their reasons. Do they have something else planned for the site? I don't know the answers, but I am sure they will be revealed eventually.
My guess? They are going to knock down the entire block and build something new.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 24, 2023, 09:33:05 AM
That's what Chili is for.
And how many businesses can actually stay in business relying on the drunk food business?
Another factor: Who is going to work at these places? Fewer and fewer Marquette students work these days, especially at non-glamorous jobs like fast food. Despite being one of the highest-paying jobs on campus, MUPD has resorted to signing and referral bonuses to get kids to drive LIMO, and they are still short-staffed.
Yup. Can't wave a magic staffing wand at places like this and fill the positions. Between the pay and hours, dealing with drunken college students? Hard pass
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 24, 2023, 09:15:29 AM
Making room for the new football stadium
Nah, The Tommy and Joani Crean Soccer Megaplex, aina?
Quote from: warriorchick on May 24, 2023, 09:34:49 AM
My guess? They are going to knock down the entire block and build something new.
Agree, and it will probably be soul-less too!
Quote from: The Lens on May 24, 2023, 07:21:48 AM
Your family has #MUWBB season tickets.
Where are you going before or after the game?
That is not enough customers to sustain much of anything.
I have not been on campus for many years, but I noticed that no one mentioned food trucks. Are they not working the campus area? It just seems that they are ideally positioned to serve an area where, unlike "bricks and mortar" restaurants, they can easily move on when students are not present- summer, semester and Spring breaks, etc.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 24, 2023, 10:03:24 PM
I have not been on campus for many years, but I noticed that no one mentioned food trucks. Are they not working the campus area? It just seems that they are ideally positioned to serve an area where, unlike "bricks and mortar" restaurants, they can easily move on when students are not present- summer, semester and Spring breaks, etc.
Excellent idea.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 24, 2023, 10:03:24 PM
I have not been on campus for many years, but I noticed that no one mentioned food trucks. Are they not working the campus area? It just seems that they are ideally positioned to serve an area where, unlike "bricks and mortar" restaurants, they can easily move on when students are not present- summer, semester and Spring breaks, etc.
Students are broke, food trucks are expensive
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 25, 2023, 12:03:26 AM
Students are broke, food trucks are expensive
There's a taco truck near me that has authentic street tacos for $2 a piece-or 3 for $5-my favorite is steak, cilantro, and onions. That would kill on campus.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 25, 2023, 12:03:26 AM
Students are broke, food trucks are expensive
Very broad assumption. Not your style. I mean....how do you
know this? All of them are broke? I'm guessing this is implied teal.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 25, 2023, 07:54:11 AM
Very broad assumption. Not your style. I mean....how do you know this? All of them are broke? I'm guessing this is implied teal.
You're kidding right? Vast majority of college students have very little disposable income.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 25, 2023, 06:21:53 AM
There's a taco truck near me that has authentic street tacos for $2 a piece-or 3 for $5-my favorite is steak, cilantro, and onions. That would kill on campus.
Would it? That's $5 more than an already paid for meal at the dining halls. Undoubtedly it would get some business but if there was a market for it food tricks would go there.
TAMU opened a food truck park on campus a few years ago. It closed within a year because students weren't going and that was before current inflation. It admittedly wasn't in the best location but it was still in a area with plenty of foot traffic
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 25, 2023, 09:06:19 AM
Would it? That's $5 more than an already paid for meal at the dining halls. Undoubtedly it would get some business but if there was a market for it food tricks would go there.
TAMU opened a food truck park on campus a few years ago. It closed within a year because students weren't going and that was before current inflation. It admittedly wasn't in the best location but it was still in a area with plenty of foot traffic
I believe it would. Park on the street near the bars between 10 and 2 on Friday and Saturday night. That's the whole point of food trucks, being mobile and hitting the hotspots.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 25, 2023, 09:01:22 AM
You're kidding right? Vast majority of college students have very little disposable income.
Yes. That's why the bars are empty every weekend.
The "already paid for" meals are much more expensive than $5. I can't think of a single friend of mine who stayed on a meal plan beyond the required freshman and sophomore years. The dining halls were brutally bad, too.
Would not surprise me that MU wants a monopoly on food options on or near campus....it is big money with what they charge for meal plans.
It is a big loss for students.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 25, 2023, 09:19:04 AM
Yes. That's why the bars are empty every weekend.
;D
Sounds like we have some scoopers that are interested in opening up a hot dog stand at 10pm on campus.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 25, 2023, 11:06:57 AM
Sounds like we have some scoopers that are interested in opening up a hot dog stand at 10pm on campus.
In all honesty, Milwaukee would be better if they relaxed the laws around street food. It's a travesty that's it's so hard to find a late night brat. Should be a cart on every corner.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 25, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
In all honesty, Milwaukee would be better if they relaxed the laws around street food. It's a travesty that's it's so hard to find a late night brat. Should be a cart on every corner.
I absolutely agree, I'll fund it if you staff it!
I don't know if it is still true, but when Glow and Chick Jr were on campus, there were food trucks on a semi-regular basis. As a matter of fact, Pita Brothers started out as a wildly popular food truck on campus. They opened up a brick and mortar location next to Walgreens, and I don't think it lasted more than a year or two.
Quote from: Coleman on May 25, 2023, 10:15:18 AM
Would not surprise me that MU wants a monopoly on food options on or near campus....it is big money with what they charge for meal plans.
It is a big loss for students.
Is it? Or is that just nostalgia.
Quote from: Coleman on May 25, 2023, 10:15:18 AM
Would not surprise me that MU wants a monopoly on food options on or near campus....it is big money with what they charge for meal plans.
Totally false. Marquette does not have the monopoly on campus. Sodexo does. Their agreement with Marquette gives them that. If it is some sort of official function on campus, you are required to order all of your food and drinks from Sodexo.
My daughter was in charge of a pancake breakfast fundraiser for her sorority's charity, and she was not allowed to hold it on campus unless they bought all the food from Sodexo. That would have meant little or not profit, so they wound up having it in the common area of a nearby apartment building (the Marq before the school purchased it) so they could make their own pancakes and buy juice, syrup, etc. from Costco.
TL;DR - Marquette has no stake in making on-campus food a monopoly.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 25, 2023, 12:07:54 PM
TL;DR - Marquette has no stake in making on-campus food a monopoly.
Of course they do. The contract with any food vendor becomes more valuable to Marquette the more projected business is provided on campus.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 25, 2023, 11:12:25 AM
In all honesty, Milwaukee would be better if they relaxed the laws around street food. It's a travesty that's it's so hard to find a late night brat. Should be a cart on every corner.
Food trucks won't be allowed on Water Street after 1 a.m. under proposed legislation (https://www.jsonline.com/story/entertainment/dining/2023/05/19/milwaukee-food-trucks-water-after-1-a-m-new-law/70224215007/)
Quote from: wadesworld on May 25, 2023, 09:20:19 AM
The "already paid for" meals are much more expensive than $5. I can't think of a single friend of mine who stayed on a meal plan beyond the required freshman and sophomore years. The dining halls were brutally bad, too.
Yep. As you pointed out, required meal plan for all freshman and sophomore. So over half of the undergraudate student population has already sunk money into a meal plan that now gives them already paid for meals. You see how that could impact food businesses on campus.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 25, 2023, 09:19:04 AM
Yes. That's why the bars are empty every weekend.
Have you been to the bars on campus recently? They are a lot less full than they were when I was there a little over a decade ago and based on the stories peddled around here they are less full than when the old timers were on campus. There's also less of them.
Also, drinking culture is another thing competing for students limited disposable income, another hurdle for private food businesses near campus to overcome.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 25, 2023, 09:15:44 AM
I believe it would. Park on the street near the bars between 10 and 2 on Friday and Saturday night. That's the whole point of food trucks, being mobile and hitting the hotspots.
And yet they don't. Maybe it's not as hot of a spot as you might think.
There's no conspiracy here, there are very obvious economic reasons why restaurants near campus are struggling.
College age and new grads don't drink as much or as frequently as older people do. It's a pretty interesting culture shift with this generation.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 25, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
Have you been to the bars on campus recently? They are a lot less full than they were when I was there a little over a decade ago and based on the stories peddled around here they are less full than when the old timers were on campus. There's also less of them.
Also, drinking culture is another thing competing for students limited disposable income, another hurdle for private food businesses near campus to overcome.
And yet they don't. Maybe it's not as hot of a spot as you might think.
There's no conspiracy here, there are very obvious economic reasons why restaurants near campus are struggling.
The younger drinker is still prevalent in Wisconsin but dropped dramatically nationally. It's still there but not nearly what it was. The sin industry is very nervous about the future
I agree that the food on campus is a major snooze, but the food truck conversation highlights that this is all just a free market problem isn't it? If a food truck can't turn a profit being in campus during the boom times, its not surprising that a non-franchise restaurant can't turn a profit either. And if there is even the chance of redeveloping property the University owns, I certainly wouldn't want to jump into a 10-year, low margin lease with Ziggy, or the guy who ran Gyros, or the China Garden people, or whoever else, either.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 25, 2023, 02:18:57 PM
College age and new grads don't drink as much or as frequently as older people do. It's a pretty interesting culture shift with this generation.
Nerds!!!
Quote from: swoopem on May 25, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
Nerds!!!
Counterpoint: It's because they're all on weed, Molly and fentanyl.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 25, 2023, 07:54:11 AM
Very broad assumption. Not your style. I mean....how do you know this? All of them are broke? I'm guessing this is implied teal.
Dat's write. Sum are privileged, aina?
Quote from: warriorchick on May 23, 2023, 02:43:26 PM
Also, Marquette owns that entire block on the south side of Wells between 16th and 17th.
My guess is that they intentionally let those leases lapse because they want to redevelop it.
So will Real Chili end up looking like the house in the movie "Up" or would MU really have the stones to knock it down?
Quote from: MUEng92 on May 26, 2023, 06:59:51 AM
So will Real Chili end up looking like the house in the movie "Up" or would MU really have the stones to knock it down?
Of course they will knock it down. But it's not like Real Chili has been there forever. That's its third location near campus. Originally, it was right on Wisconsin. Then I believe it was on the other side of Wells.
What I would hope is that they would help Chili relocate, including offering some other University-owned space.
Quote from: MUEng92 on May 26, 2023, 06:59:51 AM
So will Real Chili end up looking like the house in the movie "Up" or would MU really have the stones to knock it down?
Knock it down but be sure to get a toxic waste clean-up permit first.
The grease from that place is a serious public health hazard.
Sodexo has made it clear: "if anyone is making MU kids sh1t their brains out on a weekend morning, it should be us, not Real Chili."
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 26, 2023, 09:29:56 AM
Knock it down but be sure to get a toxic waste clean-up permit first.
The grease from that place is a serious public health hazard.
What the eff is wrong with you??? ;D
Please, don't answer!!!
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 26, 2023, 03:54:19 PM
What the eff is wrong with you??? ;D
Please, don't answer!!!
Ask my wife. She has a better perspective on that question and isn't afraid to tell you!
If she won't answer, ask Newsdreams!
Quote from: warriorchick on May 25, 2023, 12:07:54 PM
Totally false. Marquette does not have the monopoly on campus. Sodexo does. Their agreement with Marquette gives them that. If it is some sort of official function on campus, you are required to order all of your food and drinks from Sodexo.
My daughter was in charge of a pancake breakfast fundraiser for her sorority's charity, and she was not allowed to hold it on campus unless they bought all the food from Sodexo. That would have meant little or not profit, so they wound up having it in the common area of a nearby apartment building (the Marq before the school purchased it) so they could make their own pancakes and buy juice, syrup, etc. from Costco.
TL;DR - Marquette has no stake in making on-campus food a monopoly.
So when Freshmen buy a meal plan on their Marquette Card, MU doesn't see a dime of that? They let Sodexho run this monopoly with nothing in return? (genuinely asking, not trying to be a little sh*t)
Quote from: Coleman on May 30, 2023, 03:15:54 PM
So when Freshmen buy a meal plan on their Marquette Card, MU doesn't see a dime of that? They let Sodexho run this monopoly with nothing in return? (genuinely asking, not trying to be a little sh*t)
I don't know exactly how it works, but I don't think it's Marquette's goal to profit off of the meal plan. It's a service that needs to be provided to students.
When it's contract time, I am sure that every interested company submits a bid to the University, which tries to choose the plan that will meet students' needs best at the most reasonable price to the student.
Regarding the monopoly I was talking about (and I am way oversimplifying things), they probably give Marquette a better deal in exchange for having a monopoly on all food service on campus. For all I know, that might be a pretty standard clause in college food service contracts.
chick, you by and large have it right. It is simply outsourcing of food service for both students and for on-campus catering. Marquette grants them a "monopoly" for a fixed term. Marquette might make SOME money off of it though. For instance, sometimes the outsourced firm will agree to sponsoring a certain dollar amount of various campus events. It's pretty standard at most institutions - it's pretty rare to see schools of Marquette's size to run a food service with its own employees.
If Marquette isn't making a significant profit off of food plans, why do they require students that live in the dorms to have a food plan? I know most would anyway because it's hard to find ways to cook for yourself, but why isn't it an option rather than a requirement?
Quote from: wadesworld on May 30, 2023, 03:59:32 PM
If Marquette isn't making a significant profit off of food plans, why do they require students that live in the dorms to have a food plan? I know most would anyway because it's hard to find ways to cook for yourself, but why isn't it an option rather than a requirement?
1. Because part of their food plan likely partly covers the fixed costs for equipment, etc.
2. The contract with the provider may require a minimum amount of participation.
3. Requiring a food plan at least in the first year is usually considered a best practice because it helps build connections with classmates, etc.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 30, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
1. Because part of their food plan likely partly covers the fixed costs for equipment, etc.
2. The contract with the provider may require a minimum amount of participation.
3. Requiring a food plan at least in the first year is usually considered a best practice because it helps build connections with classmates, etc.
Also, most cooking appliances (other than a microwave) are prohibited due to fire safety reasons.
Quote from: warriorchick on May 30, 2023, 04:19:37 PM
Also, most cooking appliances (other than a microwave) are prohibited due to fire safety reasons.
Bad ass alert, I had a toaster oven in my room. It was awesome
Quote from: swoopem on May 30, 2023, 06:10:38 PM
Bad ass alert, I had a toaster oven in my room. It was awesome
Weak. We had a wood fired brick pizza oven in our room in Schroeder.
Pellet smoker in ours with the pizza oven attachment.
Norbs has a nice hot dog stand right off campus, I noticed.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 30, 2023, 08:44:25 PM
Pellet smoker in ours with the pizza oven attachment.
and the lines forming out your door were endless
btw, i still can't get a pizza oven attachment. no one has them until august i believe. anyone know how to make these bad boys could be a rich man
Quote from: rocket surgeon on May 31, 2023, 04:26:50 AM
and the lines forming out your door were endless
btw, i still can't get a pizza oven attachment. no one has them until august i believe. anyone know how to make these bad boys could be a rich man
Just get one of these bad boys and never look back.
https://ooni.com/
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 31, 2023, 01:16:50 PM
Just get one of these bad boys and never look back.
https://ooni.com/
i've heard those oonies are really really good, but expensive. i also have a weber natural gas grill plus the smoker/grill. last thing i need is ANOTHER grill. just need the adjunct to the smoker
Quote from: warriorchick on May 30, 2023, 03:29:05 PM
I don't know exactly how it works, but I don't think it's Marquette's goal to profit off of the meal plan. It's a service that needs to be provided to students.
When it's contract time, I am sure that every interested company submits a bid to the University, which tries to choose the plan that will meet students' needs best at the most reasonable price to the student.
Regarding the monopoly I was talking about (and I am way oversimplifying things), they probably give Marquette a better deal in exchange for having a monopoly on all food service on campus. For all I know, that might be a pretty standard clause in college food service contracts.
Depends on what you mean by profit. A GAAP profit, inclusive of fully allocated costs, no. But a strong contribution margin, yes. Like anything else, residence life expects to "cover its costs" and turn something back to the university. The "back to the university" is positive contribution margin designed to cover depreciation (which, based on what I knew about residence halls was NEVER reinvested back in the product), corporate overhead and other fixed costs without a corresponding revenue source.
The monopoly is a necessary requirement to make the fixed costs invested by Sodexo recoverable. There's an operating cost associated with setting up residence hall food services and if there's no monopoly, what's to keep someone from bringing in a competing catering service? I doubt anyone would be competitive in a university or corporate setting under those circumstances.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 01, 2023, 07:58:36 AM
Depends on what you mean by profit. A GAAP profit, inclusive of fully allocated costs, no. But a strong contribution margin, yes. Like anything else, residence life expects to "cover its costs" and turn something back to the university. The "back to the university" is positive contribution margin designed to cover depreciation (which, based on what I knew about residence halls was NEVER reinvested back in the product), corporate overhead and other fixed costs without a corresponding revenue source.
The monopoly is a necessary requirement to make the fixed costs invested by Sodexo recoverable. There's an operating cost associated with setting up residence hall food services and if there's no monopoly, what's to keep someone from bringing in a competing catering service? I doubt anyone would be competitive in a university or corporate setting under those circumstances.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on May 30, 2023, 04:12:29 PM
1. Because part of their food plan likely partly covers the fixed costs for equipment, etc.
2. The contract with the provider may require a minimum amount of participation.
3. Requiring a food plan at least in the first year is usually considered a best practice because it helps build connections with classmates, etc.
I'd be fine with requiring it the first year. Two years is a bit much, considering the costs of the food plan and Marquette in general.
College costs are becoming absolutely insane. These rules were put in place decades ago when things were cheaper. It is time to allow for more flexibility, and an easy place to start is not requiring people to live in expensive dorms and purchase expensive food plans their sophomore year.
Quote from: Coleman on June 01, 2023, 09:25:55 AM
I'd be fine with requiring it the first year. Two years is a bit much, considering the costs of the food plan and Marquette in general.
College costs are becoming absolutely insane. These rules were put in place decades ago when things were cheaper. It is time to allow for more flexibility, and an easy place to start is not requiring people to live in expensive dorms and purchase expensive food plans their sophomore year.
It would be pretty silly to live in the dorm and not have a food plan. Especially since there's no where to eat on campus. I can't imagine many students would choose that if offered
Quote from: swoopem on June 01, 2023, 09:33:00 AM
It would be pretty silly to live in the dorm and not have a food plan. Especially since there's no where to eat on campus. I can't imagine many students would choose that if offered
Sultan, are you aware of any campus that allows you to live in the dorms without a food plan?
Quote from: warriorchick on June 01, 2023, 09:35:51 AM
Sultan, are you aware of any campus that allows you to live in the dorms without a food plan?
I know at UW-Madison it was optional. My then-girlfriend lived in the dorms there and they were not required to buy a food plan. They had a system similar to Marquette Cash where you could load up your ID and pay for food as you went. I don't remember if you paid for food items a la carte, or if it was a flat fee per meal. But no plan required.
My friend's son went to George Washington U in DC. My kid scratched off this school from her list after visiting and learning this. They don't have dining halls at GWU and the meal plan was similar to the as mentioned Marquette Cash where you load up your ID and pay for food as you went at local establishments that supposedly had negotiated with GWU. My kid thought that was too much work as to figure out where to eat lunch & dinner everyday and may be inconveniently located to your class schedule.
Dayton uses a 100% ala carte plan. While there is no need to figure out where to eat, the kids there have to deal with the hassle of budgeting their dining dollars. I was glad none of my kids attended a school where that was required. I know that my son in particular would have been calling me about halfway through the semester asking for more money in his meal plan.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 01, 2023, 09:59:13 AM
Dayton uses a 100% ala carte plan. While there is no need to figure out where to eat, the kids there have to deal with the hassle of budgeting their dining dollars. I was glad none of my kids attended a school where that was required. I know that my son in particular would have been calling me about halfway through the semester asking for more money in his meal plan.
To be clear, I have nothing against
offering a meal plan for people like your son.
I just don't think it should be required.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 01, 2023, 09:35:51 AM
Sultan, are you aware of any campus that allows you to live in the dorms without a food plan?
Many public universities don't require a plan.
Quote from: Coleman on June 01, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
To be clear, I have nothing against offering a meal plan for people like your son.
I just don't think it should be required.
I understand and didn't interpret you to be saying that.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 01, 2023, 05:23:47 AM
i've heard those oonies are really really good, but expensive. i also have a weber natural gas grill plus the smoker/grill. last thing i need is ANOTHER grill. just need the adjunct to the smoker
You're loaded though! You can swing $800.
Marquette University's new College of Business building is among 10 projects being honored in an annual statewide design awards program. The American Institute of Architects Wisconsin bestowed honor awards, the Wisconsin Architectural Awards program's highest recognition, on three projects designed by its members. Those recognize overall excellence.
O'Brien Hall is Marquette University's new College of Business building.
"Inclusive design strategies focus on providing generous space, enhanced wayfinding and clear paths, visual transparency and clarity of programmatic spatial organization, quality lighting and daylight, and reduction in sensory noise," the nomination said.
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"Inclusive design strategies" ... that sounds woke.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on August 03, 2023, 02:50:47 PM
Marquette University's new College of Business building is among 10 projects being honored in an annual statewide design awards program. The American Institute of Architects Wisconsin bestowed honor awards, the Wisconsin Architectural Awards program's highest recognition, on three projects designed by its members. Those recognize overall excellence.
O'Brien Hall is Marquette University's new College of Business building.
"Inclusive design strategies focus on providing generous space, enhanced wayfinding and clear paths, visual transparency and clarity of programmatic spatial organization, quality lighting and daylight, and reduction in sensory noise," the nomination said.
(https://www.jsonline.com/gcdn/presto/2023/07/31/PMJS/8ab3e802-d1db-4d52-a6dc-10b437bf9d80-Marquette_University_Photo_2.jpg?width=660&height=510&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Strange way to describe an ugly ass building.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 03, 2023, 04:04:52 PM
Strange way to describe an ugly ass building.
You know that's not a photo, right? That's an architect's rendering.
It's also a bad angle. Here's a picture of the real building.
(https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/images/coba-night-o-brien.jpeg)
Reminiscent of beautiful Rosemont Illinois
Quote from: warriorchick on August 04, 2023, 09:01:19 PM
You know that's not a photo, right? That's an architect's rendering.
It's also a bad angle. Here's a picture of the real building.
(https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/images/coba-night-o-brien.jpeg)
That's a strange way to describe a picture
Quote from: warriorchick on August 04, 2023, 09:01:19 PM
You know that's not a photo, right? That's an architect's rendering.
It's also a bad angle. Here's a picture of the real building.
(https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2023/images/coba-night-o-brien.jpeg)
Ugly ass building.
Compared to the rest of the buildings in the photo?
I admittedly know little about architecture, but as I drive east and west on Wisconsin Avenue, I think it's a nice looking building.
Quote from: NCMUFan on August 04, 2023, 10:26:51 PM
Compared to the rest of the buildings in the photo?
Compared to every other building built since 2010.
From Wisconsin Ave it's a rough looking building indicative of the $10-15 million they lopped off right before ground breaking.
From the AMU side it's actually pretty cool and it presents kids with a nice place to hang out regardless of Major.
I was on campus yesterday and I have to say the space between AMU & Schroeder is really nice.
Since it's my job to complain, I would just go all in and get only Oktoberfest style picnic tables for the green space. What they have now looks cheap.
The new building IS nice from the campus side. I never understood why they had the "construction cam" pointed across Wisconsin Avenue though because it's not the best look.
The one-story section in the foreground with the green trim looks out of place. Minus that and it is pretty good looking in my humble opinion.
Quote from: The Lens on August 05, 2023, 06:54:58 AM
From Wisconsin Ave it's a rough looking building indicative of the $10-15 million they lopped off right before ground breaking.
From the AMU side it's actually pretty cool and it presents kids with a nice place to hang out regardless of Major.
The $10-15 million lopped off in the trade is called "Value Engineering-VE".
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 05, 2023, 07:14:08 AM
The new building IS nice from the campus side. I never understood why they had the "construction cam" pointed across Wisconsin Avenue though because it's not the best look.
As a Marquette High Dad who drops his kid off and drives downtown, it's depressing. As a guy who participates in MU's mentor program and walks out of the Union, it's really nice.
I guess it shows that having multiple perspectives is healthy.
I am glad Marquette didn't put up a lot of buildings up during the Brutalist period. The Wehr buildings are pretty awful, but at least they are kind of tucked away.
Most of UIC was developed during that era and it is perhaps the ugliest campus I have ever set foot on.
Quote from: The Lens on August 05, 2023, 07:48:21 AM
As a Marquette High Dad who drops his kid off and drives downtown, it's depressing. As a guy who participates in MU's mentor program and walks out of the Union, it's really nice.
I guess it shows that having multiple perspectives is healthy.
Sounds like they didn't design it for curb appeal but instead for on-campus appeal.
Many posters here showing their true colors as shallow individuals. It's not what it looks like on the outside but the beautiful leaders of tomorrow that are created on the inside.
Quote from: panda on August 05, 2023, 09:35:01 AM
Many posters here showing their true colors as shallow individuals. It's not what it looks like on the outside but the beautiful leaders of tomorrow that are created on the inside.
It's not a mutually exclusive proposition.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 25, 2023, 09:19:04 AM
Yes. That's why the bars are empty every weekend.
TAMU specifically said disposable money, not essential money.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 01, 2023, 09:35:51 AM
Sultan, are you aware of any campus that allows you to live in the dorms without a food plan?
UCF. Pay as you go is an option. Most students don't get the plan.
Oh and door dash is a popular way for students to get food these days. Ask my bank account. :'(
Quote from: Pakuni on August 05, 2023, 09:56:00 AM
It's not a mutually exclusive proposition.
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Quote from: pbiflyer on August 05, 2023, 10:12:07 AM
UCF. Pay as you go is an option. Most students don't get the plan.
Oh and door dash is a popular way for students to get food these days. Ask my bank account. :'(
You should give flyer Jr a set amount each month and make her budget. That is what we did with our kids when they got off the dorm food plan.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 05, 2023, 10:58:56 AM
You should give flyer Jr a set amount each month and make her budget. That is what we did with our kids when they got off the dorm food plan.
I agree with this analysis.[/b]
I think it's amazing that some people are saying this building is remotely attractive. There is nothing redeeming about it aesthetically. It blends ugly with some glass.
As if they rammed two ugly out of date structures together. It's four boxes with no outdoor indoor transition. No overhangs, no greenery. The straight edges do nothing but make the building feel like a dressed up warehouse. Clean lines are one thing, but what the hell is this thing? Skinny tall windows on the brick portion evoke brutalist feelings, like the University took a shipping container and covered it in bricks... which is not great for a building as front and center and new as this monstrosity. Without being there, I can feel the wind whipping off the cold depressing edges of this building cutting through three layers of clothing in January. Imagine visiting Marquette that time of year and this is what you see whan you're driving east down Wisconsin ave. Bricks. A slice of glass. And then another flat brick facade. The entire building is a study in repulsion. It's the worst looking building on that corner, and by a long shot. The Walgreens across the street has more character. I cannot express in words how much I loathe this building's design.
Contrast the Business school with the Engineering building diagonal from it. Windows outnumber bricks, crenelations break up the top edge of the building, the inviting overhang gives students a chance to adapt to the conditions... room to open an umbrella, zip a coat, or dig out a hat or mittens. Is the building perfect? No. Does it suffer from a lot of 'sameism' as a lot of new construction in the last ten years? Sure. The same could be said about the Law building. But at least both are interesting to look at, or look from.
You can't rip on the Wehr builds and not find this equally hideous. It competes with the Hamel music building on the UW campus for the ugliest university building constructed in Wisconsin recently.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 05, 2023, 02:27:23 PM
I think it's amazing that some people are saying this building is remotely attractive. There is nothing redeeming about it aesthetically. It blends ugly with some glass.
As if they rammed two ugly out of date structures together. It's four boxes with no outdoor indoor transition. No overhangs, no greenery. The straight edges do nothing but make the building feel like a dressed up warehouse. Clean lines are one thing, but what the hell is this thing? Skinny tall windows on the brick portion evoke brutalist feelings, like the University took a shipping container and covered it in bricks... which is not great for a building as front and center and new as this monstrosity. Without being there, I can feel the wind whipping off the cold depressing edges of this building cutting through three layers of clothing in January. Imagine visiting Marquette that time of year and this is what you see whan you're driving east down Wisconsin ave. Bricks. A slice of glass. And then another flat brick facade. The entire building is a study in repulsion. It's the worst looking building on that corner, and by a long shot. The Walgreens across the street has more character. I cannot express in words how much I loathe this building's design.
Contrast the Business school with the Engineering building diagonal from it. Windows outnumber bricks, crenelations break up the top edge of the building, the inviting overhang gives students a chance to adapt to the conditions... room to open an umbrella, zip a coat, or dig out a hat or mittens. Is the building perfect? No. Does it suffer from a lot of 'sameism' as a lot of new construction in the last ten years? Sure. The same could be said about the Law building. But at least both are interesting to look at, or look from.
You can't rip on the Wehr builds and not find this equally hideous. It competes with the Hamel music building on the UW campus for the ugliest university building constructed in Wisconsin recently.
Whats you're top 5 ugliest buildings in Wisco ?
Quote from: panda on August 05, 2023, 02:28:55 PM
Whats you're top 5 ugliest buildings in Wisco ?
Mosse Humanities, Van Vleck, new business school, your house, yo mommas house.
But for real, those first three are god awful and only the third one is new.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 05, 2023, 02:52:40 PM
Mosse Humanities, Van Vleck, new business school, your house, yo mommas house.
But for real, those first three are god awful and only the third one is new.
My mother rents so screw you
Quote from: panda on August 05, 2023, 02:55:22 PM
My mother rents so screw you
That's her job, and I pay that rent. It's just an ugly building to match her. ;D
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 05, 2023, 02:57:22 PM
That's her job, and I pay that rent. It's just an ugly building to match her. ;D
That doesn't even make sense
Quote from: warriorchick on August 05, 2023, 10:58:56 AM
You should give flyer Jr a set amount each month and make her budget. That is what we did with our kids when they got off the dorm food plan.
She does and actually stays under it. It's just the $ amount for a door dash meal kills me.