Since we're getting news, might as well have one place for it. Here's where we stand:
- Nov 6: Northern Illinois (Fiserv Forum)
- Nov 10: Rider (Fiserv Forum)
- Nov 14: @ Illinois (Assembly Hall)
- Nov 20, 21, 22: Three of Chaminade, Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA
- Southern (Fiserv Forum)
- Dec 2: @ UW-Madison (Kohl Center)
- Dec 6: Texas (Fiserv Forum)
- Dec 9: Notre Dame (Fiserv Forum)
- Dec 14: St. Thomas (Fiserv Forum)
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2023, 06:02:57 PM
Since we're getting news, might as well have one place for it. Here's where we stand:
- Nov 21, 22, 23: Three of Chaminade, Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA
- Dec. 2: @ UW-Madison (Kohl Center)
- Texas (Fiserv Forum)
- Notre Dame (Fiserv Forum)
- @ Big 10 (Gavitt Game)
Seems likely the remaining 4 will all be buy level games. Likely one assigned by Maui, then three regular buys. My guess is we won't see a Buffalo/Vermont/Fresno level buy game considering how tough the schedule is.
I would like to get Mich St. In the G-G.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2023, 06:02:57 PM
Since we're getting news, might as well have one place for it. Here's where we stand:
- Nov 21, 22, 23: Three of Chaminade, Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA
- Dec. 2: @ UW-Madison (Kohl Center)
- Texas (Fiserv Forum)
- Notre Dame (Fiserv Forum)
- @ Big 10 (Gavitt Game)
Seems likely the remaining 4 will all be buy level games. Likely one assigned by Maui, then three regular buys. My guess is we won't see a Buffalo/Vermont/Fresno level buy game considering how tough the schedule is.
I believe that Maui is actually 11/20-11/22.
Even if we play the 355th-358th ranked teams as our remaining games, no one will be able to accuse us of having a soft non-con schedule.
Remind me.....is there any rhyme or reason to how the first Maui matchups will be set?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 05, 2023, 07:29:50 PM
Remind me.....is there any rhyme or reason to how the first Maui matchups will be set?
How biased the tournament can be against Marquette
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2023, 06:02:57 PM
Since we're getting news, might as well have one place for it. Here's where we stand:
- Nov 21, 22, 23: Three of Chaminade, Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA
- Dec. 2: @ UW-Madison (Kohl Center)
- Texas (Fiserv Forum)
- Notre Dame (Fiserv Forum)
- @ Big 10 (Gavitt Game)
Seems likely the remaining 4 will all be buy level games. Likely one assigned by Maui, then three regular buys. My guess is we won't see a Buffalo/Vermont/Fresno level buy game considering how tough the schedule is.
Phew, I would be really afraid to face Vermont...
Quote from: ChuckyChip on April 05, 2023, 06:47:45 PM
I believe that Maui is actually 11/20-11/22.
You're right, was checking back to make sure it was Monday-Wednesday and put last year's dates in.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 05, 2023, 07:14:49 PM
Even if we play the 355th-358th ranked teams as our remaining games, no one will be able to accuse us of having a soft non-con schedule.
Just my opinion.
I do not think we should ever schedule a team expected to be in the 300's.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 05, 2023, 07:42:32 PM
How biased the tournament can be against Marquette
Sure, but in addition to that.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 05, 2023, 07:29:50 PM
Remind me.....is there any rhyme or reason to how the first Maui matchups will be set?
I don't know that theres anything official, but anecdotally, it seems like they always try to schedule it so the championship game is likely to draw the largest TV audience.
I'd guess that UCLA and Kansas end up on opposite sides of the bracket and play Chaminade and Syracuse in the first round. We'll end up with one of Purdue, Tennessee, or Gonzaga and then face one of UCLA Kansas in the second round (assuming a win).
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 05, 2023, 08:36:28 PM
I don't know that theres anything official, but anecdotally, it seems like they always try to schedule it so the championship game is likely to draw the largest TV audience.
I'd guess that UCLA and Kansas end up on opposite sides of the bracket and play Chaminade and Syracuse in the first round. We'll end up with one of Purdue, Tennessee, or Gonzaga and then face one of UCLA Kansas in the second round (assuming a win).
Ugh, early season trap games. They'll probably wear powder blue, too
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 05, 2023, 08:36:28 PM
I don't know that theres anything official, but anecdotally, it seems like they always try to schedule it so the championship game is likely to draw the largest TV audience.
I'd guess that UCLA and Kansas end up on opposite sides of the bracket and play Chaminade and Syracuse in the first round. We'll end up with one of Purdue, Tennessee, or Gonzaga and then face one of UCLA Kansas in the second round (assuming a win).
Thanks.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2023, 08:38:07 PM
Ugh, early season trap games. They'll probably wear powder blue, too
If we pick up an aircraft carrier to bang with other bigs is there such a thing as a trap game?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 05, 2023, 08:48:14 PM
Thanks.
If we pick up an aircraft carrier to bang with other bigs is there such a thing as a trap game?
Yes. Will half too bench cam's Asse and yell at jalopolin
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2023, 08:51:13 PM
Yes. Will half too bench cam's Asse and yell at jalopolin
Oh, thought Cam was already at Memphis.
Considering the SOS as is, this would be the year to save some money on the buy games and bring in UWGB or UWM, or any other Horizon league team, for that matter.
Quote from: bilsu on April 05, 2023, 07:49:35 PM
Just my opinion.
I do not think we should ever schedule a team expected to be in the 300's.
That's not the point I was trying to make.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on April 05, 2023, 09:05:23 PM
Considering the SOS as is, this would be the year to save some money on the buy games and bring in UWGB or UWM, or any other Horizon league team, for that matter.
I actually think this is the year to really target Q3 opponents. Try to get at least 3 to be Q3 worthy. If we live up to the hype, we could be in the mix for a 1-seed.
Milwaukee, maybe, but now is the ideal year for some stronger MAC, MVC, and similar foes.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 05, 2023, 07:42:51 PM
Phew, I would be really afraid to face Vermont...
Facing Vermont would be fine. Fans looking at any other game on the schedule if the Vermont game is less than a week away would doom Marquette for sure.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on April 05, 2023, 09:05:23 PM
Considering the SOS as is, this would be the year to save some money on the buy games and bring in UWGB or UWM, or any other Horizon league team, for that matter.
UWGB would be fine.
UWM?? Never. Kolek'em.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on April 06, 2023, 12:11:32 AM
UWGB would be fine.
UWM?? Never. Kolek'em.
Green Bay is one of the worst teams in America. I'd rather play Milwaukee
I don't know if Lundy would be fine with a buy game or not, but if so you could do a hell of a lot worse than UWM next year. They should be pretty good again.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2023, 08:51:13 PM
Yes. Will half too bench cam's Asse and yell at jalopolin
Jalopolin is more of a popper
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 06:16:16 AM
Green Bay is one of the worst teams in America. I'd rather play Milwaukee
the Phoenix will rise with Sundance. Book it.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on April 06, 2023, 12:11:32 AM
UWGB would be fine.
UWM?? Never. Kolek'em.
Yep - ABUWM just like ABD.
Is it possible MU will not have a Gavit Games game this year?
Quote from: wisblue on April 06, 2023, 08:23:29 AM
Is it possible MU will not have a Gavit Games game this year?
https://twitter.com/mikebroeker/status/1643736275726336011?s=46&t=TZ_cPvIe7pp0GisUlD32eg
Is the UW game confirmed for 12/2?
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 06, 2023, 08:21:32 AM
Yep - ABUWM just like ABD.
Always laugh at scoopers afraid of Milwaukee
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 08:33:14 AM
Always laugh at scoopers afraid of Milwaukee
Personally, not afraid of UWM and would be happy to crush them each year.
But the 1 decent year with Pearl spawned 5 years of "Marquette is afraid to play us" from all 20 of their fans and their ridiculous stance of it needs to be a home and home series. That's my ABUWM.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 06, 2023, 08:39:02 AM
Personally, not afraid of UWM and would be happy to crush them each year.
But the 1 decent year with Pearl spawned 5 years of "Marquette is afraid to play us" from all 20 of their fans and their ridiculous stance of it needs to be a home and home series. That's my ABUWM.
That was 20 years ago. Scoop is afraid of them
Holding a grudge against all 14 of UWM fans because of one loss two decades ago is silly. I'd be happy to play them every year. In fact, if they could get some level of success where they had potential to be a Q2 game, I'd definitely support a "home and home" or 2:1 home and home series since attendance would probably only be 12-13k anyway. Would love the nostalgia of playing at the MECCA every second or third year. Not sure about the funding details of being at the Fiserv, but I'd imagine there'd be a way to make playing at our old arena mutually beneficial.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 06, 2023, 08:58:55 AM
Holding a grudge against all 14 of UWM fans because of one loss two decades ago is silly. I'd be happy to play them every year. In fact, if they could get some level of success where they had potential to be a Q2 game, I'd definitely support a "home and home" or 2:1 home and home series since attendance would probably only be 12-13k anyway. Would love the nostalgia of playing at the MECCA every second or third year. Not sure about the funding details of being at the Fiserv, but I'd imagine there'd be a way to make playing at our old arena mutually beneficial.
Umm, loss? Marquette is 44-0 or so against the Panthers. Two of those 14 fans are close friends and hammered me for 5 years of Marquette being afraid to play. And yes, I can hold a grudge against the Panthers a long time.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 08:33:14 AM
Always laugh at scoopers afraid of Milwaukee
No one here is afraid of freaking UW-Milwaukee. It's more that people are tired of them.
If you care to look at their message board on this issue you will see that they "would like" a home and home with Marquette but would settle for 2-1. And their loudest screamer over there is advocating that the best way to go about this is for UWM fans to call in local sports call in shows and flood the airwaves with "why is Marquette afraid to play us". That this approach will certainly cajole MU into giving them a series.
I feel like it's 2005-06 all over again. If MU's coach and AD think it makes sense to play, then put them on the schedule. If not, then don't. Simple.
And I don't give a phock what their NET or RPI or KenPom numbers are, they are a low major program playing in a low major conference. It's not Marquette's duty to help them prop up their program.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on April 06, 2023, 09:11:20 AM
No one here is afraid of freaking UW-Milwaukee. It's more that people are tired of them.
If you care to look at their message board on this issue you will see that they "would like" a home and home with Marquette but would settle for 2-1. And their loudest screamer over there is advocating that the best way to go about this is for UWM fans to call in local sports call in shows and flood the airwaves with "why is Marquette afraid to play us". That this approach will certainly cajole MU into giving them a series.
I feel like it's 2005-06 all over again. If MU's coach and AD think it makes sense to play, then put them on the schedule. If not, then don't. Simple.
And I don't give a phock what their NET or RPI or KenPom numbers are, they are a low major program playing in a low major conference. It's not Marquette's duty to help them prop up their program.
Marquette plays Chicago State. They can play Milwaukee
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 06, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
Umm, loss? Marquette is 44-0 or so against the Panthers. Two of those 14 fans are close friends and hammered me for 5 years of Marquette being afraid to play. And yes, I can hold a grudge against the Panthers a long time.
I could have sworn there was a loss in there somewhere. :o oh well! Whatever... point still stands.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on April 06, 2023, 09:11:20 AM
It's not Marquette's duty to help them prop up their program.
For me it has nothing to do with UWM and everything to do with seeing MU playing in one of their historical venues. They could even do throwback jerseys and a big marketing campaign. I can't imagine we make much off of buy games, so why not work out some kind of financial deal with UWM to make it work for both sides?
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 06, 2023, 09:20:40 AM
I could have sworn there was a loss in there somewhere. :o oh well! Whatever... point still stands.
I think at least one game near the end of our run of playing them was pretty close until the end.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 09:13:15 AM
Marquette plays Chicago State. They can play Milwaukee
I'm sure we would if UWM agreed to the same terms as Chicago State.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 09:13:15 AM
Marquette plays Chicago State. They can play Milwaukee
Not much of an endorsement for scheduling UW-Milwaukee------"we play one bad team, we might as well play two?
Sounds good.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
I'm sure we would if UWM agreed to the same terms as Chicago State.
Sad
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
I'm sure we would if UWM agreed to the same terms as Chicago State.
My guess is that you are correct------a straight up "buy game" every year", take it or leave it.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 06, 2023, 09:24:06 AM
For me it has nothing to do with UWM and everything to do with seeing MU playing in one of their historical venues. They could even do throwback jerseys and a big marketing campaign. I can't imagine we make much off of buy games, so why not work out some kind of financial deal with UWM to make it work for both sides?
That was tried. There was no buzz. They couldn't sell the game out.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 09:13:15 AM
Marquette plays Chicago State. They can play Milwaukee
Absolutely, they
can. But Chicago State understands that they are simply a buy game and will never get a return game. The wouldn't even consider asking for one. Despite being in the Horizon League, Milwaukee thinks that they should get a return game. I don't think any other Horizon League or low major program would expect -- much less demand -- a return game from Marquette.
If Shaka and the powers that be think it makes sense to schedule Milwaukee, they should go for it. If they don't think it makes sense, they should simply [continue to] ignore Milwaukee fans' efforts to shame them into it. That said, I do kind of like the idea of a throwback game played at MECCA.
When it comes to this particular topic, UW-Milwaukee fans remind me of those Circadian insects in the eastern part of the U. S. Every 17 years they appear from underground; make a lot of noise; have sex; crawl back underground and die. Just as every decade or so UWM has a decent season and the 500 or so fans they have are front and center, bitching about why Marquette won't play them. So MU finally plays them and goes 5-0 in a 5 game series. They then disappear for 15 years or so and the cycle repeats itself.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on April 06, 2023, 09:59:35 AM
When it comes to this particular topic, UW-Milwaukee fans remind me of those Circadian insects in the eastern part of the U. S. Every 17 years they appear from underground; make a lot of noise; have sex; crawl back underground and die. Just as every decade or so UWM has a decent season and the 500 or so fans they have are front and center, bitching about why Marquette won't play them. So MU finally plays them and goes 5-0 in a 5 game series. They then disappear for 15 years or so and the cycle repeats itself.
You were so close that I actually googled to see if the words have the same origins. Alas, they do not. You're thinking of Cicadas.
Dead on analogy, by the way.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on April 06, 2023, 09:59:35 AM
When it comes to this particular topic, UW-Milwaukee fans remind me of those Circadian insects in the eastern part of the U. S. Every 17 years they appear from underground; make a lot of noise; have sex; crawl back underground and die. Just as every decade or so UWM has a decent season and the 500 or so fans they have are front and center, bitching about why Marquette won't play them. So MU finally plays them and goes 5-0 in a 5 game series. They then disappear for 15 years or so and the cycle repeats itself.
Exactly, and yes, play them with the same terms as any other 200+ Kenpom team as a buy game.
Scoop is just afraid of Milwaukee.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 06, 2023, 08:58:55 AM
Holding a grudge against all 14 of UWM fans because of one loss two decades ago is silly. I'd be happy to play them every year. In fact, if they could get some level of success where they had potential to be a Q2 game, I'd definitely support a "home and home" or 2:1 home and home series since attendance would probably only be 12-13k anyway. Would love the nostalgia of playing at the MECCA every second or third year. Not sure about the funding details of being at the Fiserv, but I'd imagine there'd be a way to make playing at our old arena mutually beneficial.
If I remember correctly, they made it very difficult for MU fans to buy tickets and only included the MU game in one of their season ticket packages. I recall trying to go and it being more of a hassle than it was worth. I could be wrong though but that's what I remember.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 06, 2023, 08:33:00 AM
Is the UW game confirmed for 12/2?
No, but they have been going first Saturday in December for a couple years now. Trusting that to continue. Will amend if it changes.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 10:25:32 AM
Scoop is just afraid of Milwaukee.
Only if you're a dentist.
Texas is Dec. 5th
Dick - great post
UWM does have about 500 fans. They have more in common w / MATC's program than MU's. LOL
That said, I'd like to see MU play GB or UWM alternate years.... As a buy game.
Period.
* Also, I know people who were at an event w / Bart Lundy. He said they
are " definitely " interested in playing
MU, FWIW ...
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 06, 2023, 11:24:27 AM
Dick - great post
UWM does have about 500 fans. They have more in common w / MATC's program than MU's. LOL
That said, I'd like to see MU play GB or UWM alternate years.... As a buy game.
Period.
* Also, I know people who were at an event w / Bart Lundy. He said they
are " definitely " interested in playing
MU, FWIW ...
Bart's doing a great job at UWM. He is very engaged trying to get the alumni involved (versus alienated). I think there is an issue with playing Horizon teams where the conference will only accept 2-1 games.
What about FAU? Similar to Buffalo.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 06, 2023, 11:49:13 AM
Bart's doing a great job at UWM. He is very engaged trying to get the alumni involved (versus alienated). I think there is an issue with playing Horizon teams where the conference will only accept 2-1 games.
What about FAU? Similar to Buffalo.
FAU is going to the American, so I'm guessing buy games are off the table for them now. Might be possible for Charleston or maybe some of the Mountain West or WAC schools as higher level buy targets.
I'm fine with Milwaukee if they will play a buy game. Youngstown or Northern Kentucky, too. But unless we make a practice of mid-major road games (I still think setting up 3 different 3-for-1s with quality mids makes sense, but MU would never do it) none of those teams will be on the table.
Season ticket newb here...I see they put out a link for downpayment for season tickets.
Is the downpayment $100 flat fee? Or $100 per seat? The site doesn't do a good job of explaining that.
I didn't want to open up a new topic for this, so figured this may be the most appropriate one to post for assistance.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2023, 11:55:50 AM
FAU is going to the American, so I'm guessing buy games are off the table for them now. Might be possible for Charleston or maybe some of the Mountain West or WAC schools as higher level buy targets.
I'm fine with Milwaukee if they will play a buy game. Youngstown or Northern Kentucky, too. But unless we make a practice of mid-major road games (I still think setting up 3 different 3-for-1s with quality mids makes sense, but MU would never do it) none of those teams will be on the table.
As I said above, if our coach and AD think playing UW-Milwaukee makes competitive sense and financial sense, then play them.
But first, UWM has to disabuse itself of the notion that they are a mid-major basketball program. I know that 20 years ago Bruce Pearl told them that they were, but the fact of the matter is that since Butler left, the Horizon has been a one bid league. The reality is that UWM is a barely average program in one of the crappiest leagues in D-1 basketball. No fans, no money, no juice, no history, no radio or TV affiliation--------other than that UWM basketball is a great outfit to do business with.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2023, 09:13:15 AM
Marquette plays Chicago State. They can play Milwaukee
This.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on April 06, 2023, 01:11:59 PM
This.
yep, same terms as Chicago State makes perfect sense...
Quote from: Warriors, Come Out and Playeeyay on April 06, 2023, 12:09:10 PM
Season ticket newb here...I see they put out a link for downpayment for season tickets.
Is the downpayment $100 flat fee? Or $100 per seat? The site doesn't do a good job of explaining that.
I didn't want to open up a new topic for this, so figured this may be the most appropriate one to post for assistance.
$100 reservation.....regardless if 1 or 4 seats.
I have no problem with MU playing UWM. In fact I'd be glad to see it.
But all games should be at FF so MU season ticket holders can see them without having to pay extra. There will be plenty of room for any UWM fans that want to attend.
Quote from: wisblue on April 06, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
I have no problem with MU playing UWM. In fact I'd be glad to see it.
But all games should be at FF so MU season ticket holders can see them without having to pay extra. There will be plenty of room for any UWM fans that want to attend.
I'll second that. Maybe rotate UWMilwaukee and UWGreenBay every other season. I'd think there would be more interest in those matchups than playing a Chicago State, Coppin State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, or similar.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 06, 2023, 09:25:05 AM
I think at least one game near the end of our run of playing them was pretty close until the end.
I think it took a last second DJO shot to beat them in the one road game. Although it was maybe 50/50 from a fan perspective.
Quote from: Viper on April 08, 2023, 05:27:58 PM
I'll second that. Maybe rotate UWMilwaukee and UWGreenBay every other season. I'd think there would be more interest in those matchups than playing a Chicago State, Coppin State, Arkansas Pine Bluff, or similar.
I'm thinking we bring in LMU. It's a fellow Jesuit school and having Stan back in MKE would be great. It's a win / win.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 08, 2023, 05:57:41 PM
I think it took a last second DJO shot to beat them in the one road game. Although it was maybe 50/50 from a fan perspective.
No last second shot to win. 2010, Marquette was up 18, Milwaukee got it down to 2. MU wins 75-72. MU played shitty in 2nd half.
Quote from: wisblue on April 06, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
I have no problem with MU playing UWM. In fact I'd be glad to see it.
But all games should be at FF so MU season ticket holders can see them without having to pay extra. There will be plenty of room for any UWM fans that want to attend.
All games at Fiserv and split the $$ over a typical buy game. Both sides win. AND MU can add to the consecutive win streak.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 08, 2023, 08:13:22 PM
No last second shot to win. 2010, Marquette was up 18, Milwaukee got it down to 2. MU wins 75-72. MU played crapty in 2nd half.
That's right. Just looked up the game recap and DJO hit 2 free throws with 5 seconds left to make it a 3 point lead.
Also, the box score shows the crowd was about 50% capacity. A
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 10, 2023, 10:33:39 AM
That's right. Just looked up the game recap and DJO hit 2 free throws with 5 seconds left to make it a 3 point lead.
Also, the box score shows the crowd was about 50% capacity. A
Then they would get nothing
Quote from: PBRme on April 10, 2023, 10:20:42 AM
All games at Fiserv and split the $$ over a typical buy game. Both sides win. AND MU can add to the consecutive win streak.
Why would UWM get more than any other buy game participant would for any game at the FF?
As much as I support a cross city annual matchup, and a return to the MECCA for the 50th anniversary of the national champion team, I would not treat them any different than any other buy game outside of that MECCA visit.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 10, 2023, 10:46:30 AM
Why would UWM get more than any other buy game participant would for any game at the FF?
As much as I support a cross city annual matchup, and a return to the MECCA for the 50th anniversary of the national champion team, I would not treat them any different than any other buy game outside of that MECCA visit.
Because they are local
Theoretically they would have more fans to buy tickets for a game that will have 7000 empty seats.
Quote from: PBRme on April 10, 2023, 11:03:29 AM
Because they are local
Theoretically they would have more fans to buy tickets for a game that will have 7000 empty seats.
They also have no travel costs. They should get less than a team coming from far away.
Lowest attendance this past season was 12,244. Attendance will be up next season after the excitement of 2022-23.
Like others, I don't have anything against scheduling UW-Milwaukee, but we certainly shouldn't treat them differently from any other team in their conference. We don't need the 9 fans they'd bring.
The only weird part about the UWM conversation is why Marquette would ever want to schedule them. UWM isn't a rival. They aren't a strong opponent. It's basically like scheduling Chicago state with an extra 200 opposing fans in their corner. It's just a dumb game to schedule.
(post world war II)
UWM is tied with 4 other teams (Houston, Kentucky, Illinois, and Toledo) as Marquette's 42nd most frequent opponent of all time. Marquette is 11-0 against them, the average differential is 21.3 points.
Teams Marquette has played more frequently without sharing a conference include Air Force, Bowling Green State, Drake, Valparaiso, Bradley, South Carolina, Western Michigan, Michigan, Green Bay, Kansas State, Michigan State, Fordham, Northwestern, and Wake Forest.
Wut?
We're 39-0 against UWM.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/313560269
(Also, see page 22 here:
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2022/5/17/2022_23_MarquetteMBB_Record_Book.pdf)
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2023, 11:52:09 AM
Lowest attendance this past season was 12,244.
I recall a 3,706 dud.
Quote from: PBRme on April 10, 2023, 11:03:29 AM
Because they are local
Theoretically they would have more fans to buy tickets for a game that will have 7000 empty seats.
Theoretically, sure, but when we finally played them at the Cell, they still didn't sell it out and blamed Marquette fans for not coming out in numbers.
I'm neither against nor overly in favor of UW-Milwaukee. If they'll do it as a buy game, great. Especially if you can get a reduced price on travel costs. But if they want special treatment or a return game, screw 'em. Not worth that.
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2023, 12:31:07 PM
Wut?
We're 39-0 against UWM.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/313560269
(Also, see page 22 here:
https://gomarquette.com/documents/2022/5/17/2022_23_MarquetteMBB_Record_Book.pdf)
apologies, my stats were from 1949 on.
"California high school guard AJ Johnson – a projected 2024 NBA Draft lottery pick – has decommitted from Texas and signed a deal with the Illawarra Hawks of the Australian NBL:"
Noteworthy for Marquette who plays Texas in December.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2023, 10:07:06 AM
"California high school guard AJ Johnson – a projected 2024 NBA Draft lottery pick – has decommitted from Texas and signed a deal with the Illawarra Hawks of the Australian NBL:"
Noteworthy for Marquette who plays Texas in December.
That is a big loss for Texas.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2023, 10:07:06 AM
"California high school guard AJ Johnson – a projected 2024 NBA Draft lottery pick – has decommitted from Texas and signed a deal with the Illawarra Hawks of the Australian NBL:"
Noteworthy for Marquette who plays Texas in December.
Saw him play against Link Academy. Link totally took him out of the game. I think he might've fouled out in the 3rd quarter. He made Kevin Durant look like a body builder.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 13, 2023, 10:40:10 AM
Kolek Texas!
Let's wait a year to start these bad rumors please.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 13, 2023, 12:49:16 PM
Let's wait a year to start these bad rumors please.
I think the poster meant "F*ck 'em".
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 10, 2023, 01:13:00 PM
I recall a 3,706 dud.
But MU charged all the STH for that game anyway. So no matta.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2023, 06:02:57 PM
Since we're getting news, might as well have one place for it. Here's where we stand:
- Nov 20, 21, 22: Three of Chaminade, Gonzaga, Kansas, Purdue, Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA
- Dec. 2: @ UW-Madison (Kohl Center)
- Dec.
5 6: Texas (Fiserv Forum)
- Notre Dame (Fiserv Forum)
- @ Big 10 (Gavitt Game)
Seems likely the remaining 4 will all be buy level games. Likely one assigned by Maui, then three regular buys. My guess is we won't see a Buffalo/Vermont/Fresno level buy game considering how tough the schedule is.
#mubb just announced the Texas game has moved from Tuesday to Wednesday. With any luck it'll be a Saturday night game by the time we hit December.
Quote from: The Lens on May 12, 2023, 11:13:09 AM
#mubb just announced the Texas game has moved from Tuesday to Wednesday. With any luck it'll be a Saturday night game by the time we hit December.
If it is a Saturday Night is there any word on if it would be because Texas had plane issues and had to move a Saturday morning game to Saturday night?
I started reading that and was worried it was going to say "due to scheduling conflicts has been moved to the Al"
Illinois is our Gavvitt game.
UW-Madison probably December 2nd as they play Arizona the 9th.
Awesome matchup. Looking forward to playing high level WI native Marcus Domask
Odds are the remaining four are buy level games. Probably two before we head to Champaign, one when we get back from Maui, and one after ND but before the start of Big East play.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 22, 2023, 02:34:12 PM
Illinois is our Gavvitt game.
UW-Madison probably December 2nd as they play Arizona the 9th.
Does that make us a trap game for the badgers?
Quote from: Warrior Code on May 23, 2023, 09:05:31 AM
Does that make us a trap game for the badgers?
Do you really think anyone is going to look past MU next year?
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 23, 2023, 09:32:15 AM
Do you really think anyone is going to look past MU next year?
Yes, ESPN hates us
Quote from: Warrior Code on May 23, 2023, 09:05:31 AM
Does that make us a trap game for the badgers?
No because Marquette is better.
I didn't realize that question needed teal
Rocco Miller
@RoccoMiller8
https://twitter.com/RoccoMiller8/status/1661394602597949440
Wisconsin and Marquette have agreed on dates for its rivalry game over the next two seasons.
- Saturday, December 2nd, 2023 at Kohl Center
- Saturday, December 7th, 2024 at Fiserv Forum
It is crazy to me that MU is yet to draw Minnesota in the Gavitt games. As a MN resident, it is a matchup I would sure like to see. Especially with the Dawson connection before he's gone (assuming he's returning there next season, admittedly haven't paid attention).
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 24, 2023, 01:28:56 PM
It is crazy to me that MU is yet to draw Minnesota in the Gavitt games. As a MN resident, it is a matchup I would sure like to see. Especially with the Dawson connection before he's gone (assuming he's returning there next season, admittedly haven't paid attention).
Issue is Gophers are not even included this year and they blow.
So when we are expected to be good like we are they are never scheduling that.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 24, 2023, 01:28:56 PM
It is crazy to me that MU is yet to draw Minnesota in the Gavitt games. As a MN resident, it is a matchup I would sure like to see. Especially with the Dawson connection before he's gone (assuming he's returning there next season, admittedly haven't paid attention).
Agreed. Haven't played them since 2000
Yes, Dawson supposed to be back.
They're just so horrid that it may be many years before we'd ever get matched up with them, unfortunately.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 24, 2023, 01:56:03 PM
Yes, Dawson supposed to be back.
They're just so horrid that it may be many years before we'd ever get matched up with them, unfortunately.
Makes sense - there were certainly a few opportunities in the last handful of seasons when we continued to draw Purdue, OSU and Illinois it feels like every other year.
We won't get matched with them as this is the last year of the Gavitt Games and if the schedule and skuttlebutt is any indication, it won't be renewed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 24, 2023, 02:39:34 PM
We won't get matched with them as this is the last year of the Gavitt Games and if the schedule and skuttlebutt is any indication, it won't be renewed.
If Gavitt Games are dunzo I'd like to just schedule them. Needs to be at Williams though... so I can easily attend, and plus it's our only hope of it not being a Q4 game
At Illinois. Any concerns or should I just slot that as a W?
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 24, 2023, 06:21:05 PM
At Illinois. Any concerns or should I just slot that as a W?
Historically, we aren't great in our first non-con road game. We have a five-game losing streak in the first road non-con game we play. The last time we beat a high-major team on the road in November was 20 years ago when we opened the season with a win at St. John's. Our only three road wins in November since the 2003-04 season were over Valpo, UW-Milwaukee, and Cal State Fullerton.
That's not to say we can't win at Illinois, but I'm not sure it's as simple as slotting it as a win.
Why would anyone even think about " just slotting a win" in a high major road game?
TRank has Illinois as 50th in their preseason rankings.........certainly a very winnable game but we've lost road games to much worse teams over the years.
Ps And in the very recent past we lost a home game to Wisconsin.......they we're finished the year 57th.
So, no. Do not just slot it as a win.
I was just throwing it out there and not all that serious.
If true ... it's too bad the G games will be over. I too would like to see MU play
MINN it MICH, but we have an outstanding NC schedule for this coming year. Maui ... UW, ND, ILL
Dain is a load to deal with pawz
We dates. All games on FS1
Monday, November 13
Xavier at Purdue
Michigan at St. John's (Played at Madison Square Garden)
Tuesday, November 14
Wisconsin at Providence
Marquette at Illinois
Iowa at Creighton
Wednesday, November 15
Georgetown at Rutgers
Friday, November 17
Maryland at Villanova
Butler at Michigan State
Is it just my imagination, or was there some report or speculation that MU was going to play at Indiana in the Gavitt games?
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on May 25, 2023, 10:10:26 AM
We dates. All games on FS1
Monday, November 13
Xavier at Purdue
Michigan at St. John's (Played at Madison Square Garden)
Tuesday, November 14
Wisconsin at Providence
Marquette at Illinois
Iowa at Creighton
Wednesday, November 15
Georgetown at Rutgers
Friday, November 17
Maryland at Villanova
Butler at Michigan State
Why the F is Butler playing MSU? And why is UConn left out entirely? Seems like major BS.
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on June 01, 2023, 06:11:16 AM
Why the F is Butler playing MSU? And why is UConn left out entirely? Seems like major BS.
At least DePaul is sitting this one out
Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on June 01, 2023, 06:11:16 AM
Why the F is Butler playing MSU? And why is UConn left out entirely? Seems like major BS.
UConn isn't eligible because they were not in the league when the contract was signed. But this does feel like they're mailing it in. I think with the new B10 rights they aren't interested in continuing this.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 01, 2023, 07:00:44 AM
UConn isn't eligible because they were not in the league when the contract was signed. But this does feel like they're mailing it in. I think with the new B10 rights they aren't interested in continuing this.
https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/sources-uconn-men-unlikely-play-year-s-gavitt-18075680.php
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 01, 2023, 07:00:44 AM
UConn isn't eligible because they were not in the league when the contract was signed. But this does feel like they're mailing it in. I think with the new B10 rights they aren't interested in continuing this.
Which is fine. With the expansion of the conference schedule to 20 games, you don't always need a series of "games" to set up high quality non conference match ups. Just set up a home-and-home with a decent high level opponent, and that's good enough.
https://twitter.com/roccomiller8/status/1666856359382462466?s=46&t=ZqQldwwvE2UXafgTB6lu7w
Looks like Rider is on the schedule.
I like that add. Likely a Q4, but probably higher end of Q4. In the 5 years of the NET, they've only been outside the top-250 once and never outside the top-280. Their top five projected contributors are all seniors. High floor team that shouldn't hurt us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2023, 01:50:29 PM
I like that add. Likely a Q4, but probably higher end of Q4. In the 5 years of the NET, they've only been outside the top-250 once and never outside the top-280. Their top five projected contributors are all seniors. High floor team that shouldn't hurt us.
Uh oh. Hope it's not game one. Sounds like a recipe for a close game.
Future conference foe, St. Thomas is also on the schedule
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2023, 02:33:15 PM
Future conference foe, St. Thomas is also on the schedule
That's cool.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2023, 02:33:15 PM
Future conference foe, St. Thomas is also on the schedule
Do you know the date? My dad is a Tommie. He'll be pumped
Quote from: swoopem on June 08, 2023, 02:44:00 PM
Do you know the date? My dad is a Tommie. He'll be pumped
Per Ben Steele, December 14th.
EDIT: Should be another good add. They did lose Andrew Rohde, but T-Rank projects them #221 and they were top-200 in NET last year.
Man...Maui is just insanely loaded. Best MTE ever? It might be. This could be the day one lineup:
#1 Kansas v Chaminade
#9 Tennessee v UCLA
#3 Purdue v Syracuse
#6 Marquette v #11 Gonzaga
Have to think we'll be ranked #1 after we come out of there undefeated with three top-11 wins, not to mention a road win over Illinois.
As far as rationale...Chaminade seems to always get the most high-profile team. Tennessee gets UCLA because it virtually guarantees either a top-10 showdown or a battle of true blue bloods on day two. Purdue is next highest ranked so gets the tournament's high-major bottom feeder, and the marquee game of opening round is the two smallest fanbases but the best on-paper matchup of the day.
Brew....love the way you think!!!
Looks like ND is Dec 9. Scroll down to see.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2023-24 (https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2023-24)
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2023, 03:52:26 PM
Man...Maui is just insanely loaded. Best MTE ever? It might be. This could be the day one lineup:
#1 Kansas v Chaminade
#9 Tennessee v UCLA
#3 Purdue v Syracuse
#6 Marquette v #11 Gonzaga
Have to think we'll be ranked #1 after we come out of there undefeated with three top-11 wins, not to mention a road win over Illinois.
As far as rationale...Chaminade seems to always get the most high-profile team. Tennessee gets UCLA because it virtually guarantees either a top-10 showdown or a battle of true blue bloods on day two. Purdue is next highest ranked so gets the tournament's high-major bottom feeder, and the marquee game of opening round is the two smallest fanbases but the best on-paper matchup of the day.
I hope we get a rematch with Purdue.
I think Colvin will be a plus for them, even that early in the season, and OMax obviously a minus for us, otherwise two mostly intact teams from last year.
Regardless of the record, we'll know a lot more about this MU team's potential after they've gotten lei'd.
Quote from: barfolomew on June 12, 2023, 11:59:49 AM
I hope we get a rematch with Purdue.
I think Colvin will be a plus for them, even that early in the season, and OMax obviously a minus for us, otherwise two mostly intact teams from last year.
Regardless of the record, we'll know a lot more about this MU team's potential after they've gotten lei'd.
If we do play Purdue, let's hope that Ben doesn't express any more opinions about Edey's speed. One scooper thought that a couple of Edey's dunks bounced off Ben's head.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2023, 02:33:15 PM
Future conference foe, St. Thomas is also on the schedule
For a Summit League team that just started playing D-1 basketball a couple of years ago, I have noticed that the Tommie fans are quite confident about their ascension from D-3 to D-1.
Hope this is a Fiserv game and not a McGuire Center game. I'd like to see in person what they've got.
11/6 Northern Illinois
11/10 Rider
11/14 @ Illinois
11/20-11/22 Maui
11/28 Southern
12/2 @ Wisconsin
12/6 Texas
12/9 Notre Dame
12/14 St. Thomas
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 12, 2023, 11:58:17 PM
For a Summit League team that just started playing D-1 basketball a couple of years ago, I have noticed that the Tommie fans are quite confident about their ascension from D-3 to D-1.
Hope this is a Fiserv game and not a McGuire Center game. I'd like to see in person what they've got.
40 point MU win with the walk-ons getting more then 2 minutes should be MU's welcome to D1 gift.
Bring back the UWM and UWGB series
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 12, 2023, 11:58:17 PM
For a Summit League team that just started playing D-1 basketball a couple of years ago, I have noticed that the Tommie fans are quite confident about their ascension from D-3 to D-1.
Hope this is a Fiserv game and not a McGuire Center game. I'd like to see in person what they've got.
I'm doubting that St. Thomas is ready for D1.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 15, 2023, 10:42:49 AM
I'm doubting that St. Thomas is ready for D1.
They went 19-14 overall and finished 4th at 9-9 in the Summit League. Are they ready to be Kansas? Of course not, and never will. But they were way, way too good for the D3 athletics level. Their basketball program is just fine as a lower end mid major.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 15, 2023, 10:33:56 AM
Bring back the UWM and UWGB series
I agree with this analysis. Marquette is terrified of them
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on June 15, 2023, 10:02:09 AM
11/6 Northern Illinois
11/10 Rider
11/14 @ Illinois
11/20-11/22 Maui
11/28 Southern
12/2 @ Wisconsin
12/6 Texas
12/9 Notre Dame
12/14 St. Thomas
For those curious about how Bart Torvik is projecting these teams next season:
#218 Northern Illinois
#248 Rider
#36 @ Illinois
Maui
#1 Purdue
#2 Kansas
#3 Tennessee
#15 Gonzaga
#28 UCLA
#133 Syracuse
UR Chaminade
#317 Southern
#30 @ Wisconsin
#9 Texas
#210 Notre Dame
#221 St. Thomas
For funsies, his BE projections:
#4 UConn
#5 Creighton
#14 Villanova
#18 Marquette
#40 Xavier
#42 Providence
#54 Seton Hall
#70 St. John's
#91 Butler
#131 DePaul
#144 Georgetown
Potential to face all of Bart's preseason top 5 teams in one season. Love it
St. Thomas is also a pretty well funded school. But they are going to have to have a sustained run of success and better attendance to move up. Maybe in a decade or so they could be in the MVC if all goes well?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 15, 2023, 11:00:03 AM
They went 19-14 overall and finished 4th at 9-9 in the Summit League. Are they ready to be Kansas? Of course not, and never will. But they were way, way too good for the D3 athletics level. Their basketball program is just fine as a lower end mid major.
Agree, but I think you missed my Toweresque joke.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 15, 2023, 12:15:24 PM
Agree, but I think you missed my Toweresque joke.
I cannot believe you are doubting Thomas.
Love the non-con schedule. 3/4 cupcakes are experienced top-250 type teams with Q3 upside if they play well. The weakest on paper team is our home game after Maui (the tourney that preceded Creighton & Arizona losses last year).
All the cupcakes set the table for bigger things. NIU & Rider give us a soft lead in to Illinois and Maui, Southern gives us the lead into our high major gauntlet, and St Thomas leads into Big East play. Really good job by Marquette. This is what a top-10 non-con schedule should look like.
Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on June 15, 2023, 10:33:56 AM
Bring back the UWM and UWGB series
If UWM can hold on to Lundy for a few years and get back into the top 150 I'd be interested in a buy game every now and again. Same goes for UWGB and their new coach. As they are now? Don't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 15, 2023, 11:55:21 AM
For those curious about how Bart Torvik is projecting these teams next season:
#218 Northern Illinois
#248 Rider
#36 @ Illinois
Maui
#1 Purdue
#2 Kansas
#3 Tennessee
#15 Gonzaga
#28 UCLA
#133 Syracuse
UR Chaminade
#317 Southern
#30 @ Wisconsin
#9 Texas
#210 Notre Dame
#221 St. Thomas
For funsies, his BE projections:
#4 UConn
#5 Creighton
#14 Villanova
#18 Marquette
#40 Xavier
#42 Providence
#54 Seton Hall
#70 St. John's
#91 Butler
#131 DePaul
#144 Georgetown
Potential to face all of Bart's preseason top 5 teams in one season. Love it
That seems like a lazy Big East list. STJ and GT will finish higher.....X and PC lower.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 15, 2023, 07:08:46 PM
Eeeww...why?
The basketball community in Wisconsin is demanding these high quality matchups. Just look at the lackluster crowds when they happen.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 15, 2023, 07:56:23 PM
The basketball community in Wisconsin is demanding these high quality matchups. Just look at the lackluster crowds when they happen.
UWM and UWGB fans are Badger fans. When we beat them.....they become stronger Badger fans.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 12, 2023, 11:58:17 PM
For a Summit League team that just started playing D-1 basketball a couple of years ago, I have noticed that the Tommie fans are quite confident about their ascension from D-3 to D-1.
Hope this is a Fiserv game and not a McGuire Center game. I'd like to see in person what they've got.
St Thomas aspires to replace Dayton's place scoopers views...
UW-Milwaukee basketball is not scary. They are just tiresome. Over the last number of years their fan base ( as it were) has turned them, not into an attractive Marquette opponent, but into a pain in the ass. Once in approximately 40 games they have come within shouting distance of beating MU, and they honestly feel that entitles them to dictate terms to MU should the "series" be resumed. Bullchit.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 15, 2023, 07:56:23 PM
The basketball community in Wisconsin is demanding these high quality matchups. Just look at the lackluster crowds when they happen.
Panther fans will take over The Mecca.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 15, 2023, 10:39:17 PM
UW-Milwaukee basketball is not scary. They are just tiresome. Over the last number of years their fan base ( as it were) has turned them, not into an attractive Marquette opponent, but into a pain in the ass. Once in approximately 40 games they have come within shouting distance of beating MU, and they honestly feel that entitles them to dictate terms to MU should the "series" be resumed. Bullchit.
Nailed it! Bruce Pearl was the worst PIA. I was at the game in January '69 when Marquette blew them out 118-60. That was not one of the "shouting distance" games. ;D
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on June 15, 2023, 10:39:17 PM
UW-Milwaukee basketball is not scary. They are just tiresome. Over the last number of years their fan base ( as it were) has turned them, not into an attractive Marquette opponent, but into a pain in the ass. Once in approximately 40 games they have come within shouting distance of beating MU, and they honestly feel that entitles them to dictate terms to MU should the "series" be resumed. Bullchit.
This, and when they unexpectedly win 6 or 7 games in row in their crap conference, they think Marquette is ducking them that one and only season...
All things considered ( Maui, the BE, and NC ) this is the best / toughest schedule
MU has had in prob 30 years ! Awesome for the team and fans
That said ... I would like them to play
UWM and / UWGB every once and a while ... maybe every other year ? Of course... this only happens on our terms.
Looks like we're going to get another matchup with the Bruins; probably a good draw all things considered: https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1683635304526118913?s=46&t=HLoNtkTVfvSoDEzJafqc2g
Kansas vs Chaminade
Marquette vs UCLA
Tennessee vs Syracuse
Purdue vs Gonzaga
UCLA rumored to be landing a 7'3 Spanish center that shoots 3s and blocks everything and has potential to be the #1 pick in 2024 (Aday Mara)
Not sure if the two 4 team regions have been finalized or who we'd play next if we win/lose
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on July 24, 2023, 08:26:21 PM
Kansas vs Chaminade
Marquette vs UCLA
Tennessee vs Syracuse
Purdue vs Gonzaga
UCLA rumored to be landing a 7'3 Spanish center that shoots 3s and blocks everything and has potential to be the #1 pick in 2024 (Aday Mara)
Not sure if the two 4 team regions have been finalized or who we'd play next if we win/lose
I'd love a rematch against Purdon't on a neutral floor. Although beating KU would be nice too