Kolek unanimous 1st team.
Oso and Kam on 2nd team.
Rest of 1st team: Sanogo, Boum, Hopkins (also unanimous), Hawkins and Kalkbrenner.
https://t.co/yqQXMei43v
Amazing, very well deserved, what a magical season for the team and those three guys
CONGRATULATIONS TYLER KOLEK, OSASERE IGHODARO, AND KAMERON JONES!!!
When do the announce POY, COY, 6th man, Etc.?
Quote from: marqfan22 on March 05, 2023, 01:14:24 PM
When do the announce POY, COY, 6th man, Etc.?
Def POY, most improved, 6th & sportsmanship/dork awards on Monday
POY, COY, FroshOY, and nerdbait on Wednesday
Thanks
Jop BE 6th man. Scoop wanted him cut.
Scoop says a lot of dumb things. Like most fanbases.
So happy for Jop. His defense got so much better as the year went on. If he gets a tad faster and controls the handle a bit more, going to be real hard to keep him off the court next year.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 10:18:27 AM
Scoop says a lot of dumb things. Like most fanbases.
Scoop hates us too
If F-em wins BEPOY, what's the motivation to come back? AA?
miles
Motivation to win a national championship.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 06, 2023, 10:21:48 AM
If F-em wins BEPOY, what's the motivation to come back? AA?
Or to win back-to-back natties. ;D
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 06, 2023, 10:21:48 AM
If F-em wins BEPOY, what's the motivation to come back? AA?
What was Collin Gillespie's when he came back after winning 2021 BEPOY? What was Markus Howard's when he came back after winning BEPOY in 2019? Why did both of the Co-BEPOYs (Kris Dunn and Ryan Arcidiacono) return the next season? Luke Harangody when he won BEPOY in 2008? Brandin Knight when he won BEPOY in 2002? Troy Bell when he won BEPOY in 2001? Troy Murphy when he won BEPOY in 2000? Rip Hamilton when he won BEPOY in 1998? Etc.
I think the question isn't why he would stay. It's why he would leave.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2023, 10:34:03 AM
What was Collin Gillespie's when he came back after winning 2021 BEPOY? What was Markus Howard's when he came back after winning BEPOY in 2019? Why did both of the Co-BEPOYs (Kris Dunn and Ryan Arcidiacono) return the next season? Luke Harangody when he won BEPOY in 2008? Brandin Knight when he won BEPOY in 2002? Troy Bell when he won BEPOY in 2001? Troy Murphy when he won BEPOY in 2000? Rip Hamilton when he won BEPOY in 1998? Etc.
Why are you asking so many questions?
He's getting married. This is his only chance to ask questions.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 10:37:02 AM
He's getting married. This is his only chance to ask questions.
Nice!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 06, 2023, 10:21:48 AM
If F-em wins BEPOY, what's the motivation to come back? AA?
Where's he going?
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 06, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
Why are you asking so many questions?
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Quote from: Pakuni on March 06, 2023, 10:48:56 AM
Where's he going?
Lol seriously. He's not an NBA guy. Maybe could get some G League run and earn an opportunity, but he has said he loves everything that comes with College Hoops.
He has said he wants to stay in college as long as he's allowed to. He wont be leaving just to go sit in the G League and play meaningless basketball games.
Marcus Zegarowski was drafted midway through the 2nd round in 2021, and Kolek is better than he was.
Doesn't mean I think Tyler's leaving, but the NBA has found and playing time for prospects worse than Tyler Kolek.
It's a conversation for when he actually does want to leave.
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2023, 11:01:02 AM
Marcus Zegarowski was drafted midway through the 2nd round in 2021, and Kolek is better than he was.
Doesn't mean I think Tyler's leaving, but the NBA has found and playing time for prospects worse than Tyler Kolek.
It's a conversation for when he actually does want to leave.
He's played 0 NBA games.
That route isn't for everyone and I fully believe Tyler when he says he plans on staying in college as long as he can.
That opportunity for TK will be there down the line.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 11:04:15 AM
He's played 0 NBA games.
That route isn't for everyone and I fully believe Tyler when he says he plans on staying in college as long as he can.
That opportunity for TK will be there down the line.
I was talking about getting drafted. But we both could find several examples of players less accomplished than Kolek getting NBA playing time.
Agree that this thread isn't the best place for this conversation. I just didn't love your knee-jerk dis of his chances.
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2023, 11:06:43 AM
I was talking about getting drafted. But we both could find several examples of players less accomplished than Kolek getting NBA playing time.
Agree that this thread isn't the best place for this conversation. I just didn't love your knee-jerk dis of his chances.
I said he could get chances, but when I said he isn't an NBA guy I meant like "not a guy that is going to bolt the College atmosphere early to go play in front of 750 fans in the G League while he works for an opportunity."
He could get some run eventually.
OK
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2023, 12:34:46 PM
Kolek unanimous 1st team.
Oso and Kam on 2nd team.
Rest of 1st team: Sanogo, Boum, Hopkins (also unanimous), Hawkins and Kalkbrenner.
https://t.co/yqQXMei43v
What a year! Great accomplishments
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 link=topic=64438.msg1528378#msg1528378 date=
I said he could get chances, but when I said he isn't an NBA guy I meant like "not a guy that is going to bolt the College atmosphere early to go play in front of 750 fans in the G League while he works for an opportunity."
He could get some run eventually.
Are you saying he's going to be able to jump right from college to the NBA if he waits a couple of more years?
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 06, 2023, 11:44:30 AM
Are you saying he's going to be able to jump right from college to the NBA if he waits a couple of more years?
No.
He's going to have to work his way there either way. However, similar to Collin Gillespie or Cassius Winston, he is just a high level College point guard that understands his value to the College game.
He's got a lot more left in College Hoops and he knows it. He gets it.
Quote from: Goose on March 06, 2023, 10:22:37 AM
Motivation to win a national championship.
Winner! He's like Bill Russell - he'd rather win games than awards.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2023, 10:18:27 AM
Scoop says a lot of dumb things. Like most fanbases.
Scoop is reactionary like all hard core fans. Minute to minute of a game and then game to game. People get caught up in the minutiae and can't see the big picture too often. I don't even go to the game threads because they are cringe worthy.
But I think the overall perspective of the majority of scoopers was that Stevie was indispensable in his role and needed to be in the starting lineup.
I think Tyler Kolek is a way better NBA prospect than some here think. I'm not saying he's going after this year, but if his 2023-24 looks anything like his back half of this BE season, he will be on the radars of a lot of teams IMO.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 12:02:56 PM
No.
He's going to have to work his way there either way. However, similar to Collin Gillespie or Cassius Winston, he is just a high level College point guard that understands his value to the College game.
He's got a lot more left in College Hoops and he knows it. He gets it.
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller. He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie. I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.
Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".
We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly. Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year. Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.
Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller. He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie. I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.
Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".
We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly. Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year. Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.
Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.
Keep improving his shooting and he'll get a legitimate shot. His passing alone is a premier floor spacing trait.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 06, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
Jop BE 6th man. Scoop wanted him cut.
nolongerwarriors was right again!
Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller. He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie. I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.
Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".
We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly. Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year. Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.
Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.
You said this better than I did, Wags. Agree with every word.
Steve Nash won 2 NBA MVP's. Are Tyler's measurables all that different from Nash's?
I think he'll get a shot, hopefully 2 years from now.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Kolek has better size than either of them, a good 2-3 in taller. He's a better passer and much better vision than Gillespie. I don't think its crazy to say that he's a better overall scorer than Gillespie.
Also Winston was drafted in the second round, he didn't have to "work there".
We all want Kolek in a MU jersey for another 2 years, but making unfounded knocks to his NBA potential is just silly. Marcus Sasser, LJ Cryer, and Grant Sherfield are all projected in the first 10-15 picks of the second round this year. Kolek projects as well as any of them, especially since he's taller and a pure PG.
Hell, Tyrese Hunter is talked about as a second round pick coming out next year, and he can't shoot.
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year. The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot. At this point he really can't do that. He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.
Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't. Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 03:28:28 PM
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year. The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot. At this point he really can't do that. He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.
Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't. Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.
Hopefully for Marquette fans your guarantee here isn't as wrong as the rest of your guarantees go. Wisconsin just always gets it done, Marquette tries hard but can't stop anyone, Marquette will not beat UCONN this year, etc.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 03:28:28 PM
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year. The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot. At this point he really can't do that. He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.
Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't. Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.
Tyler is going to be 22 later this month. Age matters to NBA teams. In NBA terms, he's kind of old right now as a prospect. I think he's back next year, but if he goes, I get it. Better to start your NBA journey (whether that's being drafted or the G League) at 22, then 23 or 24.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 06, 2023, 03:28:28 PM
Again, I think Tyler could get run in the NBA but he's going to come back next year. The NBA is all about quick offense being able to create your own shot. At this point he really can't do that. He can get to the rim really well here but that's a different animal in the NBA.
Maybe he uses his COVID year, maybe he doesn't. Either way I'll enjoy watching him this year and next year and then hope he gets his chance.
Nobody is suggesting he is, or should be, leaving after this year. But you are back tracking from earlier statements implying he's no more than a G League player whenever he leaves.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 06, 2023, 06:45:47 PM
Nobody is suggesting he is, or should be, leaving after this year. But you are back tracking from earlier statements implying he's no more than a G League player whenever he leaves.
"If F-em wins BEPOY, what's the motivation to come back? AA?"
That was a direct quote from this thread.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 06, 2023, 03:20:23 PM
Steve Nash won 2 NBA MVP's. Are Tyler's measurables all that different from Nash's?
I think he'll get a shot, hopefully 2 years from now.
TK has been awesome, but let's not wade into Magic Dawson territory just yet.
TK named second team AA by The Sporting News.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-basketball/news/sporting-news-2022-23-college-basketball-all-america-team/ynhqsffrvax9novxmglr2fgo
Quote from: Pakuni on March 07, 2023, 09:19:00 AM
TK named second team AA by The Sporting News.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-basketball/news/sporting-news-2022-23-college-basketball-all-america-team/ynhqsffrvax9novxmglr2fgo
Awesome, well deserved.
Just keep Kolek-ting accolades. Well deserved.
Two centers and three forwards on first team
In a game the first team loses to the second team
Quote from: Pakuni on March 07, 2023, 09:19:00 AM
TK named second team AA by The Sporting News.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-basketball/news/sporting-news-2022-23-college-basketball-all-america-team/ynhqsffrvax9novxmglr2fgo
I thought you only posted on the Superbar.
Quote from: withoutbias on March 07, 2023, 10:28:46 AM
I thought you only posted on the Superbar.
This isn't the Superbar?
The Field of 68 has TyKo as a 1st Team AA (https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1633115365629739011) (sorry if this was posted somewhere else...I don't recall seeing it).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 07, 2023, 11:07:52 AM
The Field of 68 has TyKo as a 1st Team AA (https://twitter.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1633115365629739011) (sorry if this was posted somewhere else...I don't recall seeing it).
Wow. That's high praise.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2023, 11:19:09 AM
Wow. That's high praise.
Oglesby has had TK as first team for like a month now. So not surprised that as a group they put him on there with how much BE dauster and Fanta watch too. They are the basketball podcast/reporting group that can really appreciate what he brings cause they are watching him nightly.
Overview: Kolek runs an offense as though born into it, like one of those musical prodigies playing Chopin on the piano at 9 years old. It's still astounding to think he had not been primarily a point guard before arriving at Marquette in the fall of 2021 and almost immediately demonstrating a skill for passing that made him the obvious choice to run the Golden Eagles' attack in his first season. As a sophomore, he assumed full command of one of the Big East's – and the nation's – top teams. It's not easy to become an All-American while delivering barely a dozen points per game, but Kolek creates plenty of baskets in other ways
Solid summary
Not sure why it's taken me so long ... but I just looked up George Mason's 2020-21 stats.
They ran a 3-guard lineup, and each of them averaged between 28.6 and 32.9 minutes and between 2.0 and 2.3 assists. Kolek was at 30.7 and 2.3. His 6.7 attempts per game from behind the arc led the team by far; the next closest was 2 per game behind him. One of the other guards led the team in overall attempts at 12.8 per game, almost 4 more than Kolek.
I remain amazed that Shaka could look at all of that (and no doubt tons of film) and say, "Tyler Kolek is gonna be my point guard for the next several years." So glad he did!
AP named Shaka Smart Big East Coach of the Year and Tyler Kolek Big East Player of the Year.