First off he's easily BEPOY. I'm wondering if he's 2nd or 3rd team A-A?
Should be, but doesn't have the scoring average to pop out to people who aren't watching the BE every night.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 28, 2023, 07:19:11 PM
Should be, but doesn't have the scoring average to pop out to people who aren't watching the BE every night.
He's been phenomenal for the entire season.
With this finish, I would not be surprised in the least if he ends up on the first team.
I'll predict second team though.
He's amazing
Quote from: DoctorV on February 28, 2023, 08:29:16 PM
With this finish, I would not be surprised in the least if he ends up on the first team.
I'll predict second team though.
He's amazing
He's also shooting the ball from distance with more confidence and no hesitation.
His numbers over the last 10 games are spectacular.
I am fortunate to have a very good friend with midcourt seats in the 4th row (in the middle of sweater vest territory). I have never worn a sweater vest to an MU game. In the other thread I am one of the old folks that spent 4 years as an undergrad during the Raymonds era.
On Saturday at the Depaul game, I said to my other alumni friend who joined us at the game "Kolek is just so damn good. His court vision and basketball IQ are off the charts." He should be BEPOY for sure. I absolutely believe he should be 2nd team AA and no worse than 3rd.
If you watched the two games before tonight he scored the ONLY FG's in the last 7:30 of the Creighton game, and the only FG in the last 6:30 of the Depaul game. Talk about carrying a team when it matters most.
You won't find that in a box score, so his value is so much more than the stats.
I think he ends up on a team. Probably 3rd.
Hes getting a lot of pub lately
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2023, 08:48:03 PM
I think he ends up on a team. Probably 3rd.
Hes getting a lot of pub lately
Are we relying on him too much? I hate to ask but I feel like we're inordinately dangerous if Kam and OMax play well offensively.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 28, 2023, 08:50:13 PM
Are we relying on him too much? I hate to ask but I feel like we're inordinately dangerous if Kam and OMax play well offensively.
I think its more the opposite.
TK and the way he has developed the second half allows him to be there when other guys arent.
Look at recently. Creighton he did next to nothing scoring wise the first 15 minutes. Today he scored early and scored late. DePaul he flat out closed.
Hes always looking to get guys going. But if Kam is off. TK now has the confidence and the game to attack the paint and get his own shot too.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 28, 2023, 08:50:13 PM
Are we relying on him too much? I hate to ask but I feel like we're inordinately dangerous if Kam and OMax play well offensively.
It all runs through him. If those guys are on, he feeds them. If they're not, he can now take on the scoring burden. It's all good.
Or what PGs said.
wasn't there some kind of unofficial wager about TK shooting above/below 35% from the arc?
i know i picked above. you could see he worked on it, was much more confident and picked his spots well. he let it come to him-clock running down, out of options, wide open or a nice window. he never really looked for it, but if it was there...bango!
Quote from: tower912 on February 28, 2023, 08:35:10 PM
His numbers over the last 10 games are spectacular.
THIS...teams tried to take away his ability to create for others...and he's killing teams. Getting better in the 2nd half of BEAST play is so damn impressive. So impressed with where his game is.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 28, 2023, 08:59:23 PM
It all runs through him. If those guys are on, he feeds them. If they're not, he can now take on the scoring burden. It's all good.
This.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 28, 2023, 09:03:23 PM
wasn't there some kind of unofficial wager about TK shooting above/below 35% from the arc?
i know i picked above. you could see he worked on it, was much more confident and picked his spots well. he let it come to him-clock running down, out of options, wide open or a nice window. he never really looked for it, but if it was there...bango!
I know there were charities involved at one point
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 28, 2023, 07:17:26 PM
First off he's easily BEPOY. I'm wondering if he's 2nd or 3rd team A-A?
He should be but he doesn't get the ESPN/Dickie V love that would be needed.
I agree everything goes through TyKo. I'm just hoping Kam and company shoot the 3 at a decent clip in the tournament.
Seems like BEPOTY. Probably 2nd or 3rd team all American.
For me, the top three guards are Sasser, Pickett, and McGhee.
After that its probably Kolek.
Though, Nowell and Wade Taylor are close.
Its annoying, but if TyKo played in the BigWhateverItIsNow or ACC he'd be all over the national radar.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 28, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Seems like BEPOTY. Probably 2nd or 3rd team all American.
For me, the top three guards are Sasser, Pickett, and McGhee.
After that its probably Kolek.
Though, Nowell and Wade Taylor are close.
Nowell had so much hype for awhile but his efficiency has absolutely plummeted. Would be pretty disappointing if he finishes over TK.
Last time we won conference we had the Big East POY in Jae Crowder. Now we are outright champs and Kolek surely will win. If he doesn't it is a travesty.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on February 28, 2023, 09:29:48 PM
Last time we won conference we had the Big East POY in Jae Crowder. Now we are outright champs and Kolek surely will win. If he doesn't it is a travesty.
Myles Powell being handed the award before the season started over Howard was a travesty. Powell didn't deserve the award. Kolek has the momentum though so I think he'll win it this year.
I don't see any way that Kolek doesn't win BEPOY at this point. There just isn't a good argument to dispute it.
All American teams are tough to get on but I think he's earned a spot at least on the 3rd team. I think 2nd team is possible.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 28, 2023, 09:11:54 PM
I agree everything goes through TyKo. I'm just hoping Kam and company shoot the 3 at a decent clip in the tournament.
Hopefully. They won't have to in the first game though, just have to play their game and score at the rim and in the paint.
Just keep driving and don't settle.
More of the same in game 2, play to your strengths with the occasional 3 to keep the defense honest. Defend with tenacity, dont get owned on the glass.
Beyond that, the 3s will be needed. Defenses will be much more staunch, they will play much slower, and Marquette will have to get creative
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 28, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
Myles Powell being handed the award before the season started over Howard was a travesty. Powell didn't deserve the award. Kolek has the momentum though so I think he'll win it this year.
Yep, this was robbery.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 28, 2023, 10:37:08 PM
I don't see any way that Kolek doesn't win BEPOY at this point. There just isn't a good argument to dispute it.
All American teams are tough to get on but I think he's earned a spot at least on the 3rd team. I think 2nd team is possible.
100%
It's surreal that like 1 month ago we woulda said he's on the 1st team but on the back end, and maybe not a sure thing.
Now, it just seems like no one else can win the award.
Rightfully so.
42 points, 24 assists in the last two games!
F*CK 'EM, C*OWN 'EM
Quote from: jfp61 on February 28, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Seems like BEPOTY. Probably 2nd or 3rd team all American.
For me, the top three guards are Sasser, Pickett, and McGhee.
After that its probably Kolek.
Though, Nowell and Wade Taylor are close.
Sasses, sure.
But Pickett puts up a bunch of empty stats on a mediocre team. He leads in everything cause the rest of Penn St stinks.
And McGhee? GTFO with him over Kolek. He hasn't played a team with a NET under 120 in literally 3 months. The 2 good teams they played, Bama and NW, he scored 8 points, and a horribly inefficient 23 on 19 shots, respectively. Putting a guy averaging 22 points against Mickey Mouse low major competition, with no other meaningful stats, on an AA team over a guy who just averaged 16/5/9 (53% from 3!) over his last 8 to close out a conference title, including wins over 3 top 20 teams, would be malpractice.
Might as well make Antoine Davis first team AA
Quote from: JWags85 on February 28, 2023, 11:02:09 PM
Sasses, sure.
But Pickett puts up a bunch of empty stats on a mediocre team. He leads in everything cause the rest of Penn St stinks.
And McGhee? GTFO with him over Kolek. He hasn't played a team with a NET under 120 in literally 3 months. The 2 good teams they played, Bama and NW, he scored 8 points, and a horribly inefficient 23 on 19 shots, respectively. Putting a guy averaging 22 points against Mickey Mouse low major competition, with no other meaningful stats, on an AA team over a guy who just averaged 16/5/9 (53% from 3!) over his last 8 to close out a conference title, including wins over 3 top 20 teams, would be malpractice.
Might as well make Antoine Davis first team AA
Thanks for this. I typed up something similar regarding Pickett and McGhee but couldn't get the wording right. Neither belongs above Kolek, imo. He's a freakin stud.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 28, 2023, 11:02:09 PM
Sasses, sure.
But Pickett puts up a bunch of empty stats on a mediocre team. He leads in everything cause the rest of Penn St stinks.
And McGhee? GTFO with him over Kolek. He hasn't played a team with a NET under 120 in literally 3 months. The 2 good teams they played, Bama and NW, he scored 8 points, and a horribly inefficient 23 on 19 shots, respectively. Putting a guy averaging 22 points against Mickey Mouse low major competition, with no other meaningful stats, on an AA team over a guy who just averaged 16/5/9 (53% from 3!) over his last 8 to close out a conference title, including wins over 3 top 20 teams, would be malpractice.
Might as well make Antoine Davis first team AA
Pickett puts up a lot more than empty stats. Not saying Id ever trade Kolek for him. But you are vastly under selling him. Hes having an incredible year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 28, 2023, 07:17:26 PM
First off he's easily BEPOY. I'm wondering if he's 2nd or 3rd team A-A?
Did we need
another thread on this?
1) I started a thread a week or so ago that Kolek was a lock for POY if MU won the BE.
2) I predicted 5 weeks ago that TK would be an All-American.
3) Scoop no longer hands out awards for those who start the most redundant threads
Quote from: Jockey on February 28, 2023, 11:22:03 PM
Did we need another thread on this?
1) I started a thread a week or so ago that Kolek was a lock for POY if MU won the BE.
2) I predicted 5 weeks ago that TK would be an All-American.
3) Scoop no longer hands out awards for those who start the most redundant threads
Ha! Very true.
Too lazy to look to see if this was posted before. This was from Feb 15. 3rd team
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10065286-mens-college-basketball-2022-23-all-american-projections (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10065286-mens-college-basketball-2022-23-all-american-projections)
KenPom says Sanogo.
Quote from: 🏀 on March 01, 2023, 05:41:38 AM
KenPom says Sanogo.
It might not be a bad thing if its Sonogo or Kalkbrenner, just another reason for Ty to get pissed enough to F*ck'em and motivate the whole team.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on February 28, 2023, 09:29:48 PM
Last time we won conference we had the Big East POY in Jae Crowder. Now we are outright champs and Kolek surely will win. If he doesn't it is a travesty.
We finished second the year Jae won BEPOY. The year we shared was when Vander led the team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2023, 06:19:25 AM
We finished second the year Jae won BEPOY. The year we shared was when Vander led the team.
Didn't every metric say the guy from West Virginia should've won it?
Quote from: Jockey on February 28, 2023, 11:22:03 PM
Did we need another thread on this?
1) I started a thread a week or so ago that Kolek was a lock for POY if MU won the BE.
2) I predicted 5 weeks ago that TK would be an All-American.
3) Scoop no longer hands out awards for those who start the most redundant threads
I can deal with starting too many threads.
Kolek in conference this season: 125 Orating, 57% efg, 40% assist rate and 16% turnover rate.
Another Final 4 Sophomore MU PG: 117 Orating, 51% efg, 28 assist rate and 19% turnover rate. To note, the three point line was closer.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2023, 08:26:16 AM
I can deal with starting too many threads.
You have to.
Quote from: Jockey on March 01, 2023, 08:39:35 AM
You have to.
Okay, well next time I will consult you Jockey and you can tell me if you started the topic before. I forget things.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2023, 08:31:10 AM
Kolek in conference this season: 125 Orating, 57% efg, 40% assist rate and 16% turnover rate.
Another Final 4 Sophomore MU PG: 117 Orating, 51% efg, 28 assist rate and 19% turnover rate. To note, the three point line was closer.
Additionally, Kolek doesn't have an NBA Hall of Fame, Top 5 NBA pick as his sidekick either. There was a lot of Kolek doubt here on Scoop by many last year and the onset of this season. I've been a big fan of his from Day 1, but he's massively exceeded my expectations.
Tyler's growing confidence is HUGE for this team, and coming at the perfect time heading into March.
Quote from: Jockey on February 28, 2023, 11:22:03 PM
Did we need another thread on this?
1) I started a thread a week or so ago that Kolek was a lock for POY if MU won the BE.
2) I predicted 5 weeks ago that TK would be an All-American.
3) Scoop no longer hands out awards for those who start the most redundant threads
We're celebrating, Jockey - if we get a little redundant it's OK.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2023, 08:59:42 AM
Okay, well next time I will consult you Jockey and you can tell me if you started the topic before. I forget things.
Check with Goose to make sure the timing of your thread is appropriate.
Quote from: tower912 on March 01, 2023, 09:08:13 AM
Check with Goose to make sure the timing of your thread is appropriate.
Or if you have enough posts in Hangin' at the Al
Maybe I'll start another 300 threads on TyKo and try to stretch my vocabulary skills.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM
Additionally, Kolek doesn't have an NBA Hall of Fame, Top 5 NBA pick as his sidekick either. There was a lot of Kolek doubt here on Scoop by many last year and the onset of this season. I've been a big fan of his from Day 1, but he's massively exceeded my expectations.
Tyler's growing confidence is HUGE for this team, and coming at the perfect time heading into March.
Elon,
Do you think he has NBA potential with another few years of seasoning?
Elon
Kolek has exceeded anything you could ask for. It will go down as a one of the all-time great MU individual seasons, IMO.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2023, 09:28:50 AM
Elon,
Do you think he has NBA potential with another few years of seasoning?
Not Elon, but I do think Kolek has NBA potential. He's missing the elite athleticism but assuming continued improvement next season, there should be room for him to at least get cup of coffee in the Association.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 01, 2023, 09:28:50 AM
Elon,
Do you think he has NBA potential with another few years of seasoning?
Yes. I believe he's get drafted if he declared after this season. But he plans to stay - at least as if a podcast he did 6 weeks ago. After next season? I'd say he's a lock to get drafted assuming he sustains the level we've seen the past month.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 01, 2023, 07:33:37 AM
Didn't every metric say the guy from West Virginia should've won it?
Early on they did, and Jones was definitely the perceived favorite, but WVU finished 4-7 down the stretch while Marquette went 9-2. In addition, Jones effectiveness dropped during the losing skid while Crowder was at his best during the period we secured 2nd place all to ourselves.
It was really decided in Morgantown, though. They went head-to-head and going in, Crowder had worked his way up to being only slightly behind Jones in the league-wide perception. Crowder dropped 26 in a road win while Jones had an inefficient 12. That was also the game where roughly half the Marquette team was suspended for the first half and the rest was suspended for the second. Jae was one of two Marquette players that played both halves. Felt like he single-handedly slew Jones and WVU that night. The BEPOY race ended with that game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2023, 10:46:16 AM
Early on they did, and Jones was definitely the perceived favorite, but WVU finished 4-7 down the stretch while Marquette went 9-2. In addition, Jones effectiveness dropped during the losing skid while Crowder was at his best during the period we secured 2nd place all to ourselves.
It was really decided in Morgantown, though. They went head-to-head and going in, Crowder had worked his way up to being only slightly behind Jones in the league-wide perception. Crowder dropped 26 in a road win while Jones had an inefficient 12. That was also the game where roughly half the Marquette team was suspended for the first half and the rest was suspended for the second. Jae was one of two Marquette players that played both halves. Felt like he single-handedly slew Jones and WVU that night. The BEPOY race ended with that game.
I think Jae had a massive game going up against Drummond during that stretch too. Really had big games most nights out.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 01, 2023, 11:29:46 AM
I think Jae had a massive game going up against Drummond during that stretch too. Really had big games most nights out.
That was in Hartford - we ran them out of the building. Calhoun got ejected. Drummond, I seem to remember, had a terrible game.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 10:21:55 AM
Yes. I believe he's get drafted if he declared after this season. But he plans to stay - at least as if a podcast he did 6 weeks ago. After next season? I'd say he's a lock to get drafted assuming he sustains the level we've seen the past month.
Does he shoot the outside J well enough off the bounce and can he create a la Nash?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 01, 2023, 11:32:12 AM
That was in Hartford - we ran them out of the building. Calhoun got ejected. Drummond, I seem to remember, had a terrible game.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/320490041 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/320490041)
Quote from: Elonsmusk link=topic=64385.msg1525723#msg1525723 date=
Yes. I believe he's get drafted if he declared after this season. But he plans to stay - at least as if a podcast he did 6 weeks ago. After next season? I'd say he's a lock to get drafted assuming he sustains the level we've seen the past month.
Over the last six weeks, Kolek has dramatically improved his scoring and outside shooting. Since 1/15 he's shooting 44% on treys, and averaging 16.5 ppg. It's almost as if that podcast was a catalyst to wake up and address concerns over his scoring ability and outside shot.
At this point, what does he have to come back to prove?
Unless he falls apart in the BET and NCAA tournaments, I would be shocked if he doesn't at least test the waters in the NBA camps.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 01, 2023, 11:32:12 AM
That was in Hartford - we ran them out of the building. Calhoun got ejected. Drummond, I seem to remember, had a terrible game.
My daughter (now an Xavier student) screamed "Miss it!" everytime UConn shot free throws in the very quiet XL Center.
Medcalf has TK as POY on Espn
I've been super impressed with Kolek's athleticism finishing at the rim. It's added so much to the offense that he can make teams pay for playing him to pass when he drives.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 10:21:55 AM
Yes. I believe he's get drafted if he declared after this season. But he plans to stay - at least as if a podcast he did 6 weeks ago. After next season? I'd say he's a lock to get drafted assuming he sustains the level we've seen the past month.
I don't think he'd be a lock after this season. He still has a bit of a hill to climb perception wise.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 01, 2023, 12:15:38 PM
Over the last six weeks, Kolek has dramatically improved his scoring and outside shooting. Since 1/15 he's shooting 44% on treys, and averaging 16.5 ppg. It's almost as if that podcast was a catalyst to wake up and address concerns over his scoring ability and outside shot.
At this point, what does he have to come back to prove?
Unless he falls apart in the BET and NCAA tournaments, I would be shocked if he doesn't at least test the waters in the NBA camps.
He'd be wise to test the waters, as would any player with NBA potential.
What does he have to prove? That he can do it over a full season. Not just a 8-10 game stretch. He'd be a preseason AA pick would get him tons of attention. And the real chance at a FF while doing so. Also further prove he can defend at a high level
I think he compares pretty favorable with Malcom Brogdon as a prospect, but he's a FAR better distributor at this point. His relative lack of athleticism will be his biggest knock, but he has good size for the 1 and that plus his strength can mitigate it
Tyler has taken this team over. He deserves BEPOY, the Bob Cousy award and AA team honors. He and Shaka have elevated this team to be our best squad since Wade and Diener. Great Marquette memories again.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 01, 2023, 12:46:00 PM
I don't think he'd be a lock after this season. He still has a bit of a hill to climb perception wise.
He'd be wise to test the waters, as would any player with NBA potential.
What does he have to prove? That he can do it over a full season. Not just a 8-10 game stretch. He'd be a preseason AA pick would get him tons of attention. And the real chance at a FF while doing so. Also further prove he can defend at a high level
I think he compares pretty favorable with Malcom Brogdon as a prospect, but he's a FAR better distributor at this point. His relative lack of athleticism will be his biggest knock, but he has good size for the 1 and that plus his strength can mitigate it
Tower through out a Jalen Brunson comp way back last year after the Illinois game if I recall correctly. I felt that was a good comp, and of course absolute ceiling type of comp for Tyler. Brunson isn't very athletic, but he is strong/thick and plays with a great IQ. Better shooter than Tyler at this stage of their college careers, yet Tyler is a better passer. Tyler's strength/size is underrated, but becoming evident as he's finishing around the basket and playing bully ball for a guard.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM
Additionally, Kolek doesn't have an NBA Hall of Fame, Top 5 NBA pick as his sidekick either. There was a lot of Kolek doubt here on Scoop by many last year and the onset of this season. I've been a big fan of his from Day 1, but he's massively exceeded my expectations.
Tyler's growing confidence is HUGE for this team, and coming at the perfect time heading into March.
He had 2-3 takes and finishes yesterday that were not in his arsenal 10-15 games ago. His improvement is drastic. And I thought his confidence couldn't get higher.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 01:32:52 PM
Tower through out a Jalen Brunson comp way back last year after the Illinois game if I recall correctly. I felt that was a good comp, and of course absolute ceiling type of comp for Tyler. Brunson isn't very athletic, but he is strong/thick and plays with a great IQ. Better shooter than Tyler at this stage of their college careers, yet Tyler is a better passer. Tyler's strength/size is underrated, but becoming evident as he's finishing around the basket and playing bully ball for a guard.
I think it's a interesting comparison although Brunson was more a pure scorer and played with two other pros.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM
Additionally, Kolek doesn't have an NBA Hall of Fame, Top 5 NBA pick as his sidekick either. There was a lot of Kolek doubt here on Scoop by many last year and the onset of this season. I've been a big fan of his from Day 1, but he's massively exceeded my expectations.
Tyler's growing confidence is HUGE for this team, and coming at the perfect time heading into March.
His development (especially scoring efficiently when defenders backed away from him) was always the key to this team reaching its potential.
Brunson is an absolute bulldog capable of bully balling bigger players in the paint. I don't see that with Kolek. But I do think he could have the same type of NBA career someone like TJ McConnell has
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 01, 2023, 04:21:27 PM
Brunson is an absolute bulldog capable of bully balling bigger players in the paint. I don't see that with Kolek. But I do think he could have the same type of NBA career someone like TJ McConnell has
Nice job on the McConnell comp.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 01, 2023, 12:29:32 PM
Medcalf has TK as POY on Espn
Is it my imagination or has Medcalf warmed up to MU in the Shaka era?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 01:32:52 PM
Tower through out a Jalen Brunson comp way back last year after the Illinois game if I recall correctly. I felt that was a good comp, and of course absolute ceiling type of comp for Tyler. Brunson isn't very athletic, but he is strong/thick and plays with a great IQ. Better shooter than Tyler at this stage of their college careers, yet Tyler is a better passer. Tyler's strength/size is underrated, but becoming evident as he's finishing around the basket and playing bully ball for a guard.
Brunson isn't overly athletic but he's quicker, he's got a first step that Kolek doesn't. But I agree on the passing.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 01, 2023, 04:26:35 PM
Nice job on the McConnell comp.
I hope this is teal cause McConnell is just another not overly athletic white PG. Cause there is literally not a single thing Arizona TJ McConnell did better offensively than Kolek right now. Lesser scorer, significantly worse 3P shooter, and a significantly less talented and creative distributor.
Kolek having a similar career as a 20 MPG backup PG? That's a decent comp. But I don't think their player profiles are all that similar, especially given Kolek's larger size and build
Quote from: JWags85 on March 01, 2023, 06:50:22 PM
Brunson isn't overly athletic but he's quicker, he's got a first step that Kolek doesn't. But I agree on the passing.
I hope this is teal cause McConnell is just another not overly athletic white PG. Cause there is literally not a single thing Arizona TJ McConnell did better offensively than Kolek right now. Lesser scorer, significantly worse 3P shooter, and a significantly less talented and creative distributor.
Kolek having a similar career as a 20 MPG backup PG? That's a decent comp. But I don't think their player profiles are all that similar, especially given Kolek's larger size and build
If Tyler stays another year I think the correct comp will eventually be Scott Skiles . Dominant college player who had a wry solid 10 year NBA career and then had several stints as an NBA coach.
This comparison is On the court not off the court.
Skiles had more of a gunner mentality. I am sticking with Brunson.
Quote from: tower912 on March 01, 2023, 07:20:04 PM
Skiles had more of a gunner mentality. I am sticking with Brunson.
The reason I qualified my comp if Tyler stays for one more year , is that Tyler will end up being a high scoring assist guy like Skiles in college and then have to convert to being an assist guy in Pros
Skiles was a highly efficient scorer who was just flat out a great college player , who still accumulated a lot of assists collegiately
Skiles had 30 assists in an NBA game and led the NBA in assists one year almost averaging a double double .
Quote from: BM1090 on March 01, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
He had 2-3 takes and finishes yesterday that were not in his arsenal 10-15 games ago. His improvement is drastic. And I thought his confidence couldn't get higher.
That is what is so exciting about this team. The same could be said for Joplin. Much better going to the basket and even dishing to an open man off the drive.
That didn't happen early this year.
Last dozen games for Kolek:
17.9 ppg on .524 shooting (.444 from 3), 7.7 assists, 2.5 TO, 1.7 steal, 4.0 reb.
MU 10-2 in that span, rolling to Big East title.
Effen stud. And it's not as if his season-long stats -- especially assists and A/TO ratio -- are anything less than outstanding.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM
There was a lot of Kolek doubt here on Scoop by many last year and the onset of this season.
If saying that Marquette needed better PG play than we got last season qualified as "Kolek doubt," I plead guilty.
I also stand by that 100% even as I congratulate Kolek for having worked so hard during the offseason to become the player he is today.
It's no coincidence that we are Big East champs as our PG has turned into a legit BEPOY and AA candidate, improving significantly in every single phase of the game.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM
he's massively exceeded my expectations.
Mine too. Same with Oso. And damn glad about both.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM
Tyler's growing confidence is HUGE for this team, and coming at the perfect time heading into March.
Yessir! I'm glad we have Tyler Kolek on our side!
TK was just named to the Oscar Robertson POY Watchlist (https://gomarquette.com/news/2023/3/2/mens-basketball-kolek-named-to-oscar-robertson-poy-late-season-watch-list?fbclid=IwAR1WmQdwuhMgzfkBbB83ySxXYM2zgFIImVwNBy2HmZPzvRh69_hiblXuR_A).
Others on the list:
- F/C Armando Bacot, North Carolina
- G Antoine Davis, Detroit Mercy
- G Kendric Davis, Memphis
- C Zach Edey, Purdue
- F Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana
- G/F Jaime Jaquez Jr., UCLA
- F Brandon Miller, Alabama
- F Kris Murray, Iowa
- G Jalen Pickett, Penn State
- G Marcus Sasser, Houston
- F Drew Timme, Gonzaga
- F Oscar Tshiebwe, Kentucky
- F Azuolas Tubelis, Arizona
- F Jalen Wilson, Kansas
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 28, 2023, 09:11:54 PM
I agree everything goes through TyKo. I'm just hoping Kam and company shoot the 3 at a decent clip in the tournament.
It will all depend on the background.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 03, 2023, 07:46:52 AM
It will all depend on the background.
Hi Mr. Dodds. I disagree with your assertion.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 01, 2023, 07:29:39 PM
The reason I qualified my comp if Tyler stays for one more year , is that Tyler will end up being a high scoring assist guy like Skiles in college and then have to convert to being an assist guy in Pros
Skiles was a highly efficient scorer who was just flat out a great college player , who still accumulated a lot of assists collegiately
Skiles had 30 assists in an NBA game and led the NBA in assists one year almost averaging a double double .
Skiles was also deadly in NBA Jam
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 03, 2023, 07:52:48 AM
Hi Mr. Dodds. I disagree with your assertion.
Clap clap clap
I have to reiterate how good TyKo has been for us the last 15 games. I think he's arguably 1st team A-A. Someone is going to have to help the young man out moving forward.
https://twitter.com/gbrianbennett/status/1634254350494081030?s=61&t=nbZL6SwPDmYyd2l36Uu5vg
Quote from: MuMark on March 10, 2023, 12:09:27 PM
https://twitter.com/gbrianbennett/status/1634254350494081030?s=61&t=nbZL6SwPDmYyd2l36Uu5vg
Tyler one of two guards on the semi list.