Poll
Question:
Which would you prefer this season? (Can only pick one)
Option 1: NCAA first round win
votes: 93
Option 2: BEast champion (shared or outright)
votes: 51
Why is that your pick?
We're going to win plenty of Big East titles in the next decade. I want to get that NCAA monkey off that's been sitting on our back for 10 years.
Can't go 1 and done in the tourney. We need that nasty taste out of our mouth.
Always will take a NCAA tourney win over a Big East championship. Not even particularly close for me personally.
An NCAA win without a sweet 16 is as forgettable as a first round exit a conference championship for me
Normally the regular season title hands down....but I really want to exorcise that demon
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
An NCAA win without a sweet 16 is as forgettable as a first round exit a conference championship for me
Normally, I think I'd agree with you. But I think we've got a team
and a coach that
really need to get an NCAA win.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
An NCAA win without a sweet 16 is as forgettable as a first round exit a conference championship for me
Otoh, how much do you think we'll remember a first round exit after the season we've had?
We don't get a banner for a first round NCAA tourney win
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 21, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
Otoh, how much do you think we'll remember a first round exit after the season we've had?
If we don't win the big east and exit in 32? Just as much as if we win the big east and exit in 64.
If it's 2nd-5th and sweet 16 I'll take sweet 16 any day. But a great year and 32 is why the 3 amigos and Lazar aren't on any of Shakas pictures on the walls.
Difficult to be excited about a crapshoot result
The reason these are hard to answer is because the options aren't independent. A season with a big east title but first round exit will always be bittersweet. A big east title entails a team so good it should be favored in its first two games at worst. So if I had to pick _only_ one, I'll take the tourney win and chance to keep playing, and be satisfied with a conference season good enough to get us a tourney bid and good first round matchup.
Both
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2023, 03:37:17 PM
Normally the regular season title hands down....but I really want to exorcise that demon
I agree. The Shaka/Marquette can't win in March narrative us exhausting. It would make for a long offseason.
NCAA by a very wide margin for me.
Want an ncaa tourney win.
But I can't buy a "MU 2023 NCAA TOURNEY GAME WINNER" shirt or take a pic of that banner.
I can buy a "MAQUETTE BEAST 2023 champions" shirt.
If this question was sweet 16 then yes. Sweet 16
I watched the team get off the bus at the Al when they won the BEAST. Junior Cadougan hugged that trophy like it was his first born child. I want the team to have that.
That accomplishment will be remembered far longer by everyone then winning a single game in Des Moines or Columbus.
Quote from: Badgerhater on February 21, 2023, 04:20:57 PM
I watched the team get off the bus at the Al when they won the BEAST. Junior Cadougan hugged that trophy like it was his first born child. I want the team to have that.
Like
Until they get their next NCAA win, I'd rather have 1 NCAA win than a BE regular season championship considering the 10 year anniversary drought that is looming.
In other years, it's this for me:
S16 > BE champ > 1 NCAA win > BET champ
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 21, 2023, 04:24:14 PM
Until they get their next NCAA win, I'd rather have 1 NCAA win than a BE regular season championship considering the 10 year anniversary drought that is looming.
In other years, it's this for me:
S16 > BE champ > 1 NCAA win > BET champ
This.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 21, 2023, 04:24:14 PM
Until they get their next NCAA win, I'd rather have 1 NCAA win than a BE regular season championship considering the 10 year anniversary drought that is looming.
In other years, it's this for me:
S16 > BE champ > 1 NCAA win > BET champ
I think you meant this.
Which one will get us a banner hung?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 21, 2023, 03:37:17 PM
Normally the regular season title hands down....but I really want to exorcise that demon
..but the NCAA values the BET winner more. Gtown could win the BET so which at large team (last 4 in) gets screwed.
I voted BE Championship. The equivalent in NCAA terms is Sweet 16.
Quote from: fjm on February 21, 2023, 04:17:40 PM
Want an ncaa tourney win.
But I can't buy a "MU 2023 NCAA TOURNEY GAME WINNER" shirt or take a pic of that banner.
I can buy a "MAQUETTE BEAST 2023 champions" shirt.
If this question was sweet 16 then yes. Sweet 16
Ya.
I was trying to understand whether fans would want a big east season title or to finally win another NCAA game after a 10 year drought for MU.
I personally want the beast title.
Sweet 16 would be preferred over that
But that's not the distinction I was looking for.
I voted Big East championship. Winning only one game in NCAA tournament is not much of an accomplishment.
Quote from: bilsu on February 21, 2023, 06:55:36 PM
I voted Big East championship. Winning only one game in NCAA tournament is not much of an accomplishment.
Feels like Everest after the last 10 years.
I would trade one tourney win for a Big East Championship but I would take a Sweet 16 over a Be championship
In a season where you had graduated your top 2 scorers, plus a 3rd starter, you added a few 3 star recruits and a relatively unknown international prospect, an NAIA transfer, and your leading returning scorer averaged 7 points per game last year, were picked to finish 9th out of 11 teams in your conference? Give me the BE title over a single NCAA Tournament win.
If we lose our last 3 to DePaul, Butler, and St. John's to lose our chance at a Big East title, and then get just a single NCAA Tourney win, I'll have a sour taste in my mouth regardless.
2011 was awesome. Second weekend NCAA tournament makes you forget about 9-9 real quick.
Take an NCAA tournament win 10x out of 10.
Quote from: BallBoy on February 21, 2023, 09:16:28 PM
I would trade one tourney win for a Big East Championship but I would take a Sweet 16 over a Be championship
This
Quote from: panda on February 22, 2023, 10:10:49 AM
2011 was awesome. Second weekend NCAA tournament makes you forget about 9-9 real quick.
Take an NCAA tournament win 10x out of 10.
youre right about 2011 but it's remembered because of the sweet 16 not because we beat the fighting Tu Holloways in game 1, we lose to Cuse and that seasons as forgettable as 02, 06-10, 17, 19, 22.
08 & 09 have proven to be rather forgettable despite both being 24 win seasons and having a tournament win each.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 22, 2023, 10:35:05 AM
youre right about 2011 but it's remembered because of the sweet 16 not because we beat the fighting Tu Holloways in game 1, we lose to Cuse and that seasons as forgettable as 02, 06-10, 17, 19, 22.
08 & 09 have proven to be rather forgettable despite both being 24 win seasons and having a tournament win each.
Different circumstances this season. Both MU and Shaka are in long tournament droughts. Both need to exercise those demons and this is the year to do it given the elevated expectations. A tournament loss this year would be much harder to shake than coming in second place in the BE.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 22, 2023, 10:35:05 AM
08 & 09 have proven to be rather forgettable despite both being 24 win seasons and having a tournament win each.
That 2009 group, despite the season's unfortunate ending, was one of the most fun teams I've watched. It's only forgettable if you didn't live it. That team had five legit MU legends on it.
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What a dumb poll.
Quote from: panda on February 22, 2023, 10:10:49 AM
2011 was awesome. Second weekend NCAA tournament makes you forget about 9-9 real quick.
Take an NCAA tournament win 10x out of 10.
Outside of Marquette fans no one remembers this. A Big East title is more valuable.
Besides this, the way I read the poll it is a Big East title or one NCAA win. It is not a Big East title vs. a potential sweet 16.
Quote from: bilsu on February 22, 2023, 11:38:21 AM
Outside of Marquette fans no one remembers this. A Big East title is more valuable.
Besides this, the way I read the poll it is a Big East title or one NCAA win. It is not a Big East title vs. a potential sweet 16.
A BE title is not more valuable than a sweet 16 lol.
And a lot of people remember it.
In fact when mentioning our tourney drought its commonly noted how right before we were cranking out sweet 16s 3 years in a row with 1 being a elite 8
Quote from: bilsu on February 22, 2023, 11:38:21 AM
Outside of Marquette fans no one remembers this. A Big East title is more valuable.
Besides this, the way I read the poll it is a Big East title or one NCAA win. It is not a Big East title vs. a potential sweet 16.
I would be willing to bet more casuals remember NCAA tournament success rather than a conference title.
Lots of bumps from the season can be forgotten if you win a game(s) you're not supposed to in the tournament ala 2011.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 22, 2023, 11:16:55 AM
That 2009 group, despite the season's unfortunate ending, was one of the most fun teams I've watched. It's only forgettable if you didn't live it. That team had five legit MU legends on it.
Lived it, it was my first year being an MU fan because I decided on going to MU in December or January that year made it to 2 games. the regular season was a blast that's what everyone remembers not the opener in tournament because we didn't go on a run. That backs up my point that BE title is better than single tournament win, it creates a memorable label for a great year. A single tournament win just gets lumped in with other non run years.
I want it all. And the best part is:it's not an either/or.
Programs are built on a foundation of regular season wins, but they are defined by performance in the championship tournament.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2023, 03:36:37 PM
An NCAA win without a sweet 16 is as forgettable as a first round exit a conference championship for me
Agreed. Big East title or Sweet 16 is more comparable.
Round of 32 exit = meh
Not sure since we have the original 2013 Big East Regular Season Marquette Championship Trophy that the team held on the court in our condo but would say both
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 22, 2023, 02:33:19 PM
Not sure since we have the original 2013 Big East Regular Season Marquette Championship Trophy that the team held on the court in our condo but would say both
Um, what? Here I thought I was cool because I got some Marquette Jordans.
Quote from: panda on February 22, 2023, 10:10:49 AM
2011 was awesome. Second weekend NCAA tournament makes you forget about 9-9 real quick.
Take an NCAA tournament win 10x out of 10.
I enjoyed 2009 WAY more than 2011, despite the S16 appearance.
I also enjoyed 2012 more than 2013, despite the conference title and E8 appearance.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 22, 2023, 03:25:01 PM
I enjoyed 2009 WAY more than 2011, despite the S16 appearance.
I also enjoyed 2012 more than 2013, despite the conference title and E8 appearance.
2011 team felt like a massive disappointment. I liked 2010 much more.
As a season ticket holder, a regular season conference title necessarily means many good home wins. There have been a couple of threads about best regular season wins, but this season there have been several games that sent me home very happy.
A first round NCAA win would be a nice add on, but by itself it is only good for about two days. If you lose in the second round that first round win isn't that memorable. A conference championship produces a banner and a long time memory.
If MU ever got to where it was winning conference titles regularly like Kansas, maybe they wouldn't be that exciting any more. But MU is nowhere near that and I doubt they ever will be.