Poll
Question:
Record over final 5
Option 1: 5-0
votes: 23
Option 2: 4-1
votes: 126
Option 3: 3-2
votes: 60
Option 4: 2-3
votes: 0
Option 5: 1-5
votes: 5
Wed, Feb 15 vs Xavier
Tue, Feb 21 @ Creighton
Sat, Feb 25 vs DePaul
Tue, Feb 28 @Butler
Sat, Mar 4 vs St. John's
Final 5 game set of conference play, and certainly the most important. The next two games will more or less dictate how the season as a whole is viewed whether or not it's a successful season to this point. I'm going 4-1 to remain consistent with how they have done all year in the first 3 set of 5 games. I believe Marquette will kill Xavier much like Baylor. A close loss to Creighton and win the remaining 3 games. Winning 4 of the final 5 will put us in contention to win a share of the Big East. Winning out will guarantee an outright title. I don't see Creighton losing to anyone the rest of the way if they beat us, which would give them the Big East Crown.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 13, 2023, 04:47:08 PM
Wed, Feb 15 vs Xavier
Tue, Feb 21 @ Creighton
Sat, Feb 25 vs DePaul
Tue, Feb 28 @Butler
Sat, Mar 4 vs St. John's
Final 5 game set of conference play, and certainly the most important. The next two games will more or less dictate how the season as a whole is viewed whether or not it's a successful season to this point. I'm going 4-1 to remain consistent with how they have done all year in the first 3 set of 5 games. I believe Marquette will kill Xavier much like Baylor. A close loss to Creighton and win the remaining 3 games. Winning 4 of the final 5 will put us in contention to win a share of the Big East. Winning out will guarantee an outright title. I don't see Creighton losing to anyone the rest of the way if they beat us, which would give them the Big East Crown.
1-5 is an interesting choice
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 13, 2023, 04:47:08 PM
Wed, Feb 15 vs Xavier
Tue, Feb 21 @ Creighton
Sat, Feb 25 vs DePaul
Tue, Feb 28 @Butler
Sat, Mar 4 vs St. John's
Final 5 game set of conference play, and certainly the most important. The next two games will more or less dictate how the season as a whole is viewed whether or not it's a successful season to this point. I'm going 4-1 to remain consistent with how they have done all year in the first 3 set of 5 games. I believe Marquette will kill Xavier much like Baylor. A close loss to Creighton and win the remaining 3 games. Winning 4 of the final 5 will put us in contention to win a share of the Big East. Winning out will guarantee an outright title. I don't see Creighton losing to anyone the rest of the way if they beat us, which would give them the Big East Crown.
Creighton has a very tough game to play before they meet us.
And why is this the final "Next 5 games"? You should do another after we win our NCAA tournament opener!
I surprised myself by going with 5-0. I think we take Creighton down. Just do not ask me to explain that, OK?.
One scary thought is Butler at Hinkle being an unwelcome surprise for Marquette. They, or more accurately Bates, nailed Xavier.
Still good with my 5-0 though.
I like that one of the choices for the next five games is 1-5 and it got votes. Not from any math majors, I presume.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 13, 2023, 05:14:01 PM
1-5 is an interesting choice
probably that farley dude trying to cheer himself up since his masked rats are leaking oil
I say 4-1 without a decent chance of 5-0. Truthfully, I would take 4-1 and see the big boys get extra rest over going 5-0. I am far less interested in the next five game success and very interested in success in mid March and beyond.
I voted 4-1. 3-2 is more likely than 5-0.
I voted 3-2. I think we'll lose a game we are supposed to win. Scoop will go into huge meltdown mode. But I think we'll perform well come tourney time.
No 0-5 option. Clearly a biased poll
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2023, 08:40:17 PM
I say 4-1 without a decent chance of 5-0. Truthfully, I would take 4-1 and see the big boys get extra rest over going 5-0. I am far less interested in the next five game success and very interested in success in mid March and beyond.
Hear! Hear!
These next two are the most important two game stretch of the season.
I'm sure Brew's crunched the numbers, but my layman's hunch is win both and our floor is a 4 with a very good chance at a 3 (or even a two if we cut down the nets in NYC?)
Lose both and it would seem our ceiling is most likely a 5.
Split and it seems we're still on track for a 4 but of course we can't have any slip-ups then in the last three.
But TRULY the most important game of the season is the next one.
The 2 games that concern me most are obviously X at home and Creighton on the road.
If we go 2-0 in those games, I believe we win the Big East outright, 1-1 we share it, and 0-2 we don't get a piece.
Cheer for Providence to knock off Creighton tonight and us to roll X on Wed. Let's GO!
Quote from: 1SE on February 14, 2023, 05:29:27 AM
These next two are the most important two game stretch of the season.
I'm sure Brew's crunched the numbers, but my layman's hunch is win both and our floor is a 4 with a very good chance at a 3 (or even a two if we cut down the nets in NYC?)
Lose both and it would seem our ceiling is most likely a 5.
Split and it seems we're still on track for a 4 but of course we can't have any slip-ups then in the last three.
But TRULY the most important game of the season is the next one.
If we win the next two, barring an unexpected collapse, I think we sneak up to the 3 line. Lose both and we probably end up as a 5 (maybe even still a 4) if we get the three after. At this point, a total collapse (0-5 or 1-4) probably puts us in the 7-9 range. 3-2 or better and we're no worse than a 5.
I don't put much stock in postseason tournaments. If we cut nets at MSG along with an outright title, maybe we get to a 2-seed, but my guess is wherever our seed is when we come into the BET will be where it is when we leave, whether we lose in our first MSG game or cut nets on Saturday.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2023, 08:14:20 AM
If we win the next two, barring an unexpected collapse, I think we sneak up to the 3 line. Lose both and we probably end up as a 5 (maybe even still a 4) if we get the three after. At this point, a total collapse (0-5 or 1-4) probably puts us in the 7-9 range. 3-2 or better and we're no worse than a 5.
I don't put much stock in postseason tournaments. If we cut nets at MSG along with an outright title, maybe we get to a 2-seed, but my guess is wherever our seed is when we come into the BET will be where it is when we leave, whether we lose in our first MSG game or cut nets on Saturday.
I think an outright BE title of 16-4 or better with winning the BET is possible for a 2 if the BET match ups are like the best possible match ups. Would have to beat two of X/Uconn/Creighton.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2023, 08:14:20 AM
If we win the next two, barring an unexpected collapse, I think we sneak up to the 3 line. Lose both and we probably end up as a 5 (maybe even still a 4) if we get the three after. At this point, a total collapse (0-5 or 1-4) probably puts us in the 7-9 range. 3-2 or better and we're no worse than a 5.
I don't put much stock in postseason tournaments. If we cut nets at MSG along with an outright title, maybe we get to a 2-seed, but my guess is wherever our seed is when we come into the BET will be where it is when we leave, whether we lose in our first MSG game or cut nets on Saturday.
This dovetails with much of what I have read and learned in recent years- the conference tourney results are not as high on the Selection Committee's mind as they may be on ours.
A couple things in our favor as the season wraps up:
We only have 5 games remaining, but our top-of-conference foes have 6. So there's more rest and time to prepare.
Of our 5 remaining games, only two are on the road (@Creighton and @Butler), while Xavier has 3 of 6 (@Marq, @ SH, @Prov) and Creighton has FOUR of 6 (@Prov, @StJ, @Nova, @DePaul). Providence only has 2 remaining road games as well, @UConn and @Georgetown, but they have a tough home slate (Creighton, Nova, Xaver, SH) and are trailing by 1.5 games already.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 14, 2023, 09:01:14 AM
A couple things in our favor as the season wraps up:
We only have 5 games remaining, but our top-of-conference foes have 6. So there's more rest and time to prepare.
Of our 5 remaining games, only two are on the road (@Creighton and @Butler), while Xavier has 3 of 6 (@Marq, @ SH, @Prov) and Creighton has FOUR of 6 (@Prov, @StJ, @Nova, @DePaul). Providence only has 2 remaining road games as well, @UConn and @Georgetown, but they have a tough home slate (Creighton, Nova, Xaver, SH) and are trailing by 1.5 games already.
The 2 that will determine the conference title are tonight's Creighton-Providence game and tomorrow's Marquette-Xavier game. If both of those go our favor, we will get at least a share of the championship -- and probably the outright title, because I see X losing at Providence and Providence losing at UConn. All just my opinion, of course.
The way I see it.
Providence is going to finish fourth.
The loser of the Xavier/MU game finishes third.
The winner of the Creighton/MU game finishes first. Of course, I am assuming MU beats Xavier.
What's interesting about Marquette and Creighton is they currently have the exact same losses. Both lost at Providence, UConn, and Xavier. Creighton has one more loss because they lost here. If Creighton wins out and Marquette wins every game except Creighton, per Big East rules, the 1-seed at MSG would come down to a coin flip.
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/4086343/Big_East_tiebreaker-procedure.pdf
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2023, 05:40:23 AM
What's interesting about Marquette and Xavier is they currently have the exact same losses. Both lost at Providence, UConn, and Xavier. Creighton has one more loss because they lost here. If Creighton wins out and Marquette wins every game except Creighton, per Big East rules, the 1-seed at MSG would come down to a coin flip.
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/4086343/Big_East_tiebreaker-procedure.pdf
That must have been a helluva game
Dammit ;D
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 15, 2023, 06:31:05 AM
That must have been a helluva game
Classic example of beating yourself.
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2023, 09:36:21 AM
The 2 that will determine the conference title are tonight's Creighton-Providence game and tomorrow's Marquette-Xavier game. If both of those go our favor, we will get at least a share of the championship -- and probably the outright title, because I see X losing at Providence and Providence losing at UConn. All just my opinion, of course.
The two games that will determine the Big East Champion are MU-Xavier and MU-Creighton. The Providence-Creighton game just gave us some margin of error. If we win both games we win the Big East regardless of how the Providence - Creighton game ended so it couldn't determine the Big East champion. if we win both it is likely we could lose one against the bottom three and still win outright. If we lose both, Creighton would win the BE regardless of Providence game outcome.
In order for MU to win the title outright they need to win both games and hold serve. Go 1-1 and we would be either tied with Creighton and Providence or 1 behind X and needing some help.
I think providence and x both lose 1 more after our game with X. I think Creighton doesn't lose again after MU game so if MU goes 4-1 we end up tied for the title with whoever beat us.
I'm slightly pessimistic because we keep getting burned by February fades. 3-2
I think we go 1-1 against Xavier and Creighton and then lose one game we probably shouldn't over the last 3. 15-5 in Conference and 23-8 heading into the BET.
But why stop the predictions there?
Then we go 1-1 in New York, 24-9 heading into the Big Dance. Good for a 5 seed. At which point I think we win the 5-12 game and the 5-4 game. And lose in the Sweet 16.
I'm not done yet.
But the core returns for 2023-2024 and we win the Big East outright, going 16-4. We get a 3 seed. And we make it to the Elite 8, where we lose a tight game just short of a Final Four.
Quote from: BallBoy on February 15, 2023, 07:44:46 AM
I think providence and x both lose 1 more after our game with X. I think Creighton doesn't lose again after MU game so if MU goes 4-1 we end up tied for the title with whoever beat us.
They are at Nova on 2/25. Difficult to argue that Nova is up to the task, so your point is well taken.
Despite their record, let's not sleep on Butler. "Hinkle Magic" has embarrassed us before.
Quote from: BallBoy on February 15, 2023, 07:44:46 AM
The two games that will determine the Big East Champion are MU-Xavier and MU-Creighton. The Providence-Creighton game just gave us some margin of error. If we win both games we win the Big East regardless of how the Providence - Creighton game ended so it couldn't determine the Big East champion. if we win both it is likely we could lose one against the bottom three and still win outright. If we lose both, Creighton would win the BE regardless of Providence game outcome.
In order for MU to win the title outright they need to win both games and hold serve. Go 1-1 and we would be either tied with Creighton and Providence or 1 behind X and needing some help.
I think providence and x both lose 1 more after our game with X. I think Creighton doesn't lose again after MU game so if MU goes 4-1 we end up tied for the title with whoever beat us.
I am going to stick with what I said:
If both of those go our favor, we will get at least a share of the championship.The first one -- The Provi beating Creighton -- did go our way. When the second one goes our way -- our thrashing of X tonight -- the only way we won't win at least a share of the championship is if we lose to one of the 3 dregs we play after Creighton. And we won't lose to them.
And I'm conceding nothing in Omaha either. Creighton's last 2 home games they barely beat Nova and UConn. They're good; they aren't some unbeatable juggernaut. Marquette's good, too. So yes, to win outright, that's a huge game for us. But that's not what I said in the point you're arguing about.
I of course would rather be the outright champs, but co-champs is a pretty damn good season for a team predicted to finish 9th and a team that most Scoopers gave little chance to be in such rarefied air, don't you think?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2023, 07:52:12 AM
Despite their record, let's not sleep on Butler. "Hinkle Magic" has embarrassed us before.
Wojo won 2 of his last 3 at Hinkle with Marquette teams not as good as this one playing against Butler teams better than this one. And after Butler played us tough at Fiserv, I trust that Shaka will have the team's attention.
Quote from: Coleman on February 15, 2023, 07:50:12 AM
I'm slightly pessimistic because we keep getting burned by February fades.
We're 3-1 in February 2023 so far, and that's the only February that matters. And even those games are in the past. Onward and upward with this vastly different and superior Marquette team!
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2023, 08:10:18 AM
I am going to stick with what I said: If both of those go our favor, we will get at least a share of the championship.
The first one -- The Provi beating Creighton -- did go our way. When the second one goes our way -- our thrashing of X tonight -- the only way we won't win at least a share of the championship is if we lose to one of the 3 dregs we play after Creighton. And we won't lose to them.
And I'm conceding nothing in Omaha either. Creighton's last 2 home games they barely beat Nova and UConn. They're good; they aren't some unbeatable juggernaut. Marquette's good, too. So yes, to win outright, that's a huge game for us. But that's not what I said in the point you're arguing about.
I of course would rather be the outright champs, but co-champs is a pretty damn good season for a team predicted to finish 9th and a team that most Scoopers gave little chance to be in such rarefied air, don't you think?
Wojo won 2 of his last 3 at Hinkle with Marquette teams not as good as this one playing against Butler teams better than this one. And after Butler played us tough at Fiserv, I trust that Shaka will have the team's attention.
We're 3-1 in February 2023 so far, and that's the only February that matters. And even those games are in the past. Onward and upward with this vastly different and superior Marquette team!
Agree that we very probably win, but Xavier thought they would too. Take a deep breath, MU 82.
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2023, 08:10:18 AM
I am going to stick with what I said: If both of those go our favor, we will get at least a share of the championship.
The first one -- The Provi beating Creighton -- did go our way. When the second one goes our way -- our thrashing of X tonight -- the only way we won't win at least a share of the championship is if we lose to one of the 3 dregs we play after Creighton. And we won't lose to them.
And I'm conceding nothing in Omaha either. Creighton's last 2 home games they barely beat Nova and UConn. They're good; they aren't some unbeatable juggernaut. Marquette's good, too. So yes, to win outright, that's a huge game for us. But that's not what I said in the point you're arguing about.
I of course would rather be the outright champs, but co-champs is a pretty damn good season for a team predicted to finish 9th and a team that most Scoopers gave little chance to be in such rarefied air, don't you think?
Exactly this. If we win tonight then all of our competitors will have at least 4 losses, while we will be sitting at 3 (and a two game lead in the win-column). So even if we lose Tuesday in Omaha, the worst we would be is tied for first place with four losses. With three winnable games remaining after that, we'd still be in the driver seat.
I actually think a 4-loss team could still be outright champs of this league, whether that is us, X, or Creighton, given the remaining schedules for each of those squads. More likely though is that the 4-loss teams split the title and go to tie-breakers for BET seeding.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2023, 08:37:09 AM
Agree that we very probably win, but Xavier thought they would too. Take a deep breath, MU 82.
I'm breathing perfectly fine, thanks.
We'll not only win but also cover tonight.
Quote from: MU82 on February 15, 2023, 03:03:42 PM
I'm breathing perfectly fine, thanks.
We'll not only win but also cover tonight.
So Shaka won't be able to win a close one? Sad!
Some of you 4-1 COLE miners want to update after last night? BELIEVE.
Quote from: 1SE on February 16, 2023, 04:21:35 AM
Some of you 4-1 COLE miners want to update after last night? BELIEVE.
1-5
Planning on going to the St John's game with my family and hoping that will be the game that officially gives MU the outright Big East Championship. Does anybody have any insider knowledge about the timing? It is still showing as TBD.
Bucks play that night, so I'd think the latest it would start would be 1.
Stand tall all 14 of you.
Quote from: MUFC9295 on March 05, 2023, 07:01:12 AM
Stand tall all 14 of you.
Right on! This bump caused me
To just go look at the whole season's win loss game by game. The close wins at the end of the year are easy trades for the couple of early games it would be nice to have back.
Who knows where it goes from here. I'm choosing to "stay lost in the fight".
Enjoy the ride people.
Proud of this team.
Looking back over these, I see that I predicted a combined 18-2, which is funny because I never would have predicted an 18-2 Big East overall record at the outset. But as I saw how MU was playing and looked at each group of five games, it's what I came up with. I picked 5-0, 4-1, 5-0, and 4-1, so I only got one segment correct.
Did anyone* hit all four polls or the 17-3 correct?
*By "anyone", I mean people who voted before the games were played, not after.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 07, 2023, 08:34:07 AM
Looking back over these, I see that I predicted a combined 18-2, which is funny because I never would have predicted an 18-2 Big East overall record at the outset. But as I saw how MU was playing and looked at each group of five games, it's what I came up with. I picked 5-0, 4-1, 5-0, and 4-1, so I only got one segment correct.
Did anyone* hit all four polls or the 17-3 correct?
*By "anyone", I mean people who voted before the games were played, not after.
I hit 16-4, with the only difference being the game @Creighton. I voted for a close loss but glad I was wrong.
I think I was 16-4 or 15-5. Very happy to be wrong.
Happy I was wrong ;D