Thoughts?
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Well, you knew it wasn't going to be much one way or the other.
Worried about inside, but they've dodged other threats. No bet.
What's the O/U on Sanogo rebounds
KenPom has UConn by 2. A white knuckler. Go MU.
I am going with fingers crossed into the game tomorrow. Hoping some home cooking and confidence over recent play is the deciding factor. We are going to see how far over the hump the program is over the next few games.
I would have to think the place will be rocking which can only help the cause.
When do the students return?
Quote from: Goose on January 10, 2023, 05:34:56 PM
I am going with fingers crossed into the game tomorrow. Hoping some home cooking and confidence over recent play is the deciding factor. We are going to see how far over the hump the program is over the next few games.
I would have to think the place will be rocking which can only help the cause.
Goose, we've been disrespected. The time is now for dismantling UCONN and others in our path.
I love this team. If I were to bet, I would put my money on UConn. Both Xavier and Providence had enough size to go toe to toe with Sanogo and Clanigan. MU doesn't. The UConn guards shot and missed way too many 3's.
I predict an emphasis on pounding the ball inside and hitting the offensive boards hard.
IF MU can force turnovers and not get blown up on the boards, MU can win. I am not feeling it.
Muggsy
The next three games remind me of the weekend in '86 when we played Dayton and UNC, both games on national TV and a program trying to create an identity. Only difference, in '86 it was a make of break weekend for the program. I believe this will be a start of many big weeks of MU moving forward.
Quote from: Goose on January 10, 2023, 05:34:56 PM
I am going with fingers crossed into the game tomorrow. Hoping some home cooking and confidence over recent play is the deciding factor. We are going to see how far over the hump the program is over the next few games.
I would have to think the place will be rocking which can only help the cause.
Lots of seats sold in last 2 days..but wont be near a sellout...hope they get in the seats early, but not expecting it with the 6 pm start time.
Quote from: Superfan on January 10, 2023, 05:38:14 PM
When do the students return?
Not till the weekend. I was hoping to see my niece but they don't have classes until after MLK day.
OMax and Joplin are going to have opportunities to turn this game in MU's favor.
UConn has no true 4 defender. Joplin played a respectable game at home against UConn last year in his limited time, and UConn doesn't have Akok Akok this year. OMax and Joplin have a chance to feast.
Quote from: Goose on January 10, 2023, 05:44:32 PM
Muggsy
The next three games remind me of the weekend in '86 when we played Dayton and UNC, both games on national TV and a program trying to create an identity. Only difference, in '86 it was a make of break weekend for the program. I believe this will be a start of many big weeks of MU moving forward.
I'm with you Goose. Tomorrow is a tremendous opportunity and then hopefully we can roll from there.
Going to need two great halves to beat UConn - will be a battle inside but we need to be successful at the rim - we can do this! Gooo Marquette!
I'm not hearing/seeing the same confidence as 4ever regarding an MU win tomorrow in some of our more confident (optimistic) posters. I think 4ever chose this moment to predict a win because he is dead on right.
Let's go Warriors!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 10, 2023, 06:33:23 PM
OMax and Joplin are going to have opportunities to turn this game in MU's favor.
UConn has no true 4 defender. Joplin played a respectable game at home against UConn last year in his limited time, and UConn doesn't have Akok Akok this year. OMax and Joplin have a chance to feast.
No true pg and no true 4. Pressure TO on defense and driving to get to the line on offense will be key.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 10, 2023, 10:32:21 PM
I'm not hearing/seeing the same confidence as 4ever regarding an MU win tomorrow in some of our more confident (optimistic) posters. I think 4ever chose this moment to predict a win because he is dead on right.
Let's go Warriors!
I've been saying since the GT game that we're gonna beat UConn.
Sorry I forgot about you 82.. You have been extremely confident as well. I also think you are dead on right.
Should be fun tomorrow.
Shooter
I am 100% confident that if MU plays well for 40 minutes that they will have a very good chance of winning the game. The first five minutes are going to be key tonight, and if they come out of the gate quickly I think they win the game. For a young team, not playing too fast and hitting shots early will help to a quick start.
Shoota knows ball, aina?
UConn was our nightmare matchup last year. They are still big, physical, and great on the offensive glass. I don't expect a win, but there are some areas we can exploit to give us a shot.
Oso needs to play a lot in the high post area. Get his defender away from the rim and give a 5-out look repeatedly. Kam and O-Max need to be in attack mode early and often. UConn is fanatical about denying the three, so take advantage by driving past and drawing fouls.
On defense, lots of pressure. They also want to play fast, but have a few turnover prone ball handlers so apply backcourt pressure, hope for some easy points, and take time off the shot clock to force them into short clock situations.
If I had to bet, I'd take UConn and the points. But the home atmosphere with a friendly whistle gives us a chance if we're on our game.
Da ghost of #20 haunts da Huskies, hey?
Doc,
I take great pride on knowing my MU history, but the last post has me stumped. A little help?
Novak
tower
I had that one, but was wondering if the original #20 had some history with the Huskies.
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2023, 05:39:33 AM
Doc,
I take great pride on knowing my MU history, but the last post has me stumped. A little help?
NM Tower had it
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2023, 05:57:38 AM
tower
I had that one, but was wondering if the original #20 had some history with the Huskies.
Novak's 2006 game was the first ever meeting between the programs.
Steve Novak torched highly ranked Uconn in MU's first BE game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2023, 06:26:27 AM
Novak's 2006 game was the first ever meeting between the programs.
I still have the baseball cap on my desk at work.
Doc,
I tried hard going back in my memory bank and was drawing a blank. Novak performance that night was an all time top ten night.
Shooter
After thinking about it, I am going with MU to win 77-72.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 11, 2023, 05:26:20 AM
UConn was our nightmare matchup last year. They are still big, physical, and great on the offensive glass. I don't expect a win, but there are some areas we can exploit to give us a shot.
Oso needs to play a lot in the high post area. Get his defender away from the rim and give a 5-out look repeatedly. Kam and O-Max need to be in attack mode early and often. UConn is fanatical about denying the three, so take advantage by driving past and drawing fouls.
On defense, lots of pressure. They also want to play fast, but have a few turnover prone ball handlers so apply backcourt pressure, hope for some easy points, and take time off the shot clock to force them into short clock situations.
If I had to bet, I'd take UConn and the points. But the home atmosphere with a friendly whistle gives us a chance if we're on our game.
You made my points more eloquently, so I'm going to just adopt them.
Still think this is a 1-2 possession game either way.
Our guards are gonna outplay theirs.
Sanogo will get his but Oso also will be a matchup problem for Sanogo.
One of our "kids" is gonna have a really nice game; I'll say Ross.
Hurley will blow a gasket at least once.
Yes, we started slowly the last few games. You know who's also been starting slowly? UConn.
I'm just liking our team's vibe right now.
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2023, 07:33:05 AM
Shooter
After thinking about it, I am going with MU to win 77-72.
Yep. After regrouping and giving it some thought the last few days I'm much more confident about tonight.
I just don't really like UConn's personnel the more I look at it.
Forgetaboutit inside and on the glass, you just hope to keep it respectable there.
They are also a very good defensive team, but that's because they have beasts down low. Marquettes personnel, specifically Oso, should mitigate that a lot and allow for some open lanes where they typically don't allow them.
Do they ever zone?
They just have a large collection of decent/big sized guards that overpower you but don't really do anything particularly great.
In past years, with MUs typically small-ish backcourts, that would be a nightmare.
This year Marquette has much better sized guards, much more athletic.
Tyler and Kam might give up some height but I'm hoping they can hold their own.
If not, Ross becomes huge or you go to matchup problems for them all over the court- Jop, Sean, Ben offensively.
MU82 mentioned Ross possibly having a big game, and I think we need him to defensively.
I kind of like Sean Jones here though. I like him against organized/big defenses that lack in speed.
Marquette will have to out-speed them all night to win.
UConn will Bully Ball it, trying to get Oso in foul trouble. MU may need Keeyan for this one. Expect a lot of whistles.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 11, 2023, 09:24:46 AM
UConn will Bully Ball it, trying to get Oso in foul trouble. MU may need Keeyan for this one. Expect a lot of whistles.
Not Providence again!
Do we know if UConn is in Milwaukee? if not, the flight outage this a.m. may be a problem.
Quote from: mix it up on January 11, 2023, 09:55:01 AM
Do we know if UConn is in Milwaukee? if not, the flight outage this a.m. may be a problem.
I believe that Big East teams are required to be on-site 24 hours prior to tip...or something similar.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 11, 2023, 09:05:37 AM
They just have a large collection of decent/big sized guards that overpower you but don't really do anything particularly great.
I think you're not giving their guards enough respect here. Newton is very good at creating for others (though he has a TO problem) and is elite at drawing fouls and getting to the line.
Jackson is an elite defender and has somehow turned into a great distributor (he's always been good for a wing but now he's top 10 in the conference). His shooting leaves something to be desired his passing and defending more than make up for it.
Hawkins is a very good defender (look what he did to poor Trey Alexander in his last game) and is a top 3 3P shooter in the conference. I've watched him a couple of times and he has that Markus Howard release where he can go from dribbling to shooting in the blink of an eye (often drawing a foul in the process). To be clear, I am not saying he's Markus Howard, I'm saying he has a release as quick as Howard.
Diarra and Allenye are both plus defenders off the bench and Calcaterra shoots 45.3% from 3.
I think all of their guards do at least one thing "great" and do most things well. Each of them does have a fatal flaw that can be exploited though (Newton's TOs, Jackson's shooting, Hawkins is poor inside the arc, Allenye/Diarra are poor on offense, Calcaterra can't defend)
Quote from: mix it up on January 11, 2023, 09:55:01 AM
Do we know if UConn is in Milwaukee? if not, the flight outage this a.m. may be a problem.
Dey probably took da dog bus anyweyz, hey?
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 11, 2023, 10:38:45 AM
I think you're not giving their guards enough respect here. Newton is very good at creating for others (though he has a TO problem) and is elite at drawing fouls and getting to the line.
Jackson is an elite defender and has somehow turned into a great distributor (he's always been good for a wing but now he's top 10 in the conference). His shooting leaves something to be desired his passing and defending more than make up for it.
Hawkins is a very good defender (look what he did to poor Trey Alexander in his last game) and is a top 3 3P shooter in the conference. I've watched him a couple of times and he has that Markus Howard release where he can go from dribbling to shooting in the blink of an eye (often drawing a foul in the process). To be clear, I am not saying he's Markus Howard, I'm saying he has a release as quick as Howard.
Diarra and Allenye are both plus defenders off the bench and Calcaterra shoots 45.3% from 3.
I think all of their guards do at least one thing "great" and do most things well. Each of them does have a fatal flaw that can be exploited though (Newton's TOs, Jackson's shooting, Hawkins is poor inside the arc, Allenye/Diarra are poor on offense, Calcaterra can't defend)
We need to turn Jackson into a shooter and not a distributor.
Maybe wrong thread but going to post this on here a few times. (Yes I put it in trading post I know blah blah blah but want someone who really wants the tickets to take them).
I have 3 "be a student" tickets for the game tonight. $20 face value.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 11, 2023, 11:03:08 AM
We need to turn Jackson into a shooter and not a distributor.
I don't disagree but that alone isn't enough. Creighton made Jackson into a shooter. Schiermann was giving Jackson a solid 5 feet of space when he got the ball at the 3point line which limited Jackson to 7 points (on 5 shots with 2 FTs) and 2 assists. As a whole, UConn only got 8 assists (.381 assist rate, way below their season average). UConn responded by dumping it into Sanogo and letting him go to work and he ended up with 26 points (and that's going against the BE DPOY all game)
Now I actually think that is a winning strategy on defense but it wasn't enough to counter what UConn did to their offense. Creighton had 20 offensive rebounds but only managed 20 total FGs only 2 from long range.
Took a look at Uconns board to see what they are saying about the game.
Most think it will be a really tough game but they expect to win due to the size and rebounding.
That said, they do sound pretty unanimously terrified of Omax and what he could do to them.
And some seem to be selling TK and Kam short for how good they actually are. So hopefully we surprise there.
Also, had to note. One guy tossed in a little free throws matta comment.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 11, 2023, 10:39:20 AM
Dey probably took da dog bus anyweyz, hey?
Or da choo-choo.
Goodman picked Marquette, don't love that.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 11, 2023, 10:38:45 AM
I think you're not giving their guards enough respect here. Newton is very good at creating for others (though he has a TO problem) and is elite at drawing fouls and getting to the line.
Jackson is an elite defender and has somehow turned into a great distributor (he's always been good for a wing but now he's top 10 in the conference). His shooting leaves something to be desired his passing and defending more than make up for it.
Hawkins is a very good defender (look what he did to poor Trey Alexander in his last game) and is a top 3 3P shooter in the conference. I've watched him a couple of times and he has that Markus Howard release where he can go from dribbling to shooting in the blink of an eye (often drawing a foul in the process). To be clear, I am not saying he's Markus Howard, I'm saying he has a release as quick as Howard.
Diarra and Allenye are both plus defenders off the bench and Calcaterra shoots 45.3% from 3.
I think all of their guards do at least one thing "great" and do most things well. Each of them does have a fatal flaw that can be exploited though (Newton's TOs, Jackson's shooting, Hawkins is poor inside the arc, Allenye/Diarra are poor on offense, Calcaterra can't defend)
Good summary, thanks!
Sounds like they could really use a blender for some of these guards.
I more-so meant their skills offensively, as I expect their entire team to be good defensively, so I'd imagine it will take a lot of creativity/movement/speed and creative mismatches and ball movement to get points tonight.
That said, who guards who?
At 6'5 and as their best non-big scorer/shooter, does Stevie draw that assignment on Hawkins with Omax and Oso on Karaban and Sonogo respectively?
Then Kam gets Jackson and TyKo gets Newton?
In the above scenario MU is oversized at 4 of the 5 spots on the court...
Or does Shaka get creative and insert Jop early to size match, leave him on Karaban, and have OMax try to mitigate Jackson Jr and move Kam to Hawkins and TyKo to Newton? Seems unlikely that he would shake things up like this but it seems like the type of game it might be good to consider.
Does Shaka go with a higher pressing style and a zone early to try to mix things up?
It'll be fun to watch the matchups and how they shake out
I am staying away from this one, but it should be a fun battle and I wouldn't be surprised if we pulled it out.
Screw it. Got tix a few mins ago. Driving up from Chicago now for this. Should be a fun one. At least better than listening to Gillen
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2023, 05:48:50 AM
Novak
I ran into Steve Novak and family at the Spirit Shop this afternoon.
He will not be at the game. He has to fly to Atlanta to work in studio.
Breakout game for MU and getting over the hump. We win this one. I hope Hurley goes off and gets tossed.
79Warrior
I agree across the board. Up and over the hump and hopefully Hurley gets crazy.
Jonny Fanta was supposed to be here tonight.
"Was supposed to be at #6 UConn and #25 Marquette tonight, but the FAA had other ideas! That said, will be watching everything happening on a loaded night of college hoops and then hosting After Dark at 11 ET with two of America's favorite people."
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 11, 2023, 02:48:38 PM
Screw it. Got tix a few mins ago. Driving up from Chicago now for this. Should be a fun one. At least better than listening to Gillen
Good job JB!
Going with one daughter, my other daughter will be in student section, and co worker up from Chicago (whose daughter recently graduated from MU) is using my other ticket. Should be fun!
Quote from: Goose on January 11, 2023, 05:39:33 AM
Doc,
I take great pride on knowing my MU history, but the last post has me stumped. A little help?
Steve Novak
These next 3 games are all going to be challenging, and will go a long way toward determining MUs position in the conference standings.
The BE has kind of separated itself into two groups: the 5 teams that are legitimate NCAA contenders (X, PC, UConn, MU, and Creighton) and the 6 spoilers (which includes Villanova unless and until they show otherwise. The 8 games against the other 5 contenders present the only opportunities for high quality wins.
Including the game at Seton Hall that comes next, MU would be doing well to split the next 4 games. I would be quite happy if they can split the next two.
I think MU wins 1 of the nest 3 but they could win them all. Most interested in Joplin and Gold. Joplin has been going to the hoop more of late and that is a big help. I thought Gold had a really good night v Georgetown against a couple of really big guys. If he can be a solid 15 minutes per game guy he could be the missing piece for MU. Go Warriors!
Think Novak had about 43 in that game. He was awesome.
Hoping we Bayloranate UConn.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 11, 2023, 05:37:34 PM
Think Novak had about 43 in that game. He was awesome.
Think it was 41 but awesome was the word! Was a magical game to be at. I was there!
If MU wins and somebody flips off the UConn coach infront of everybody, how about this for a thread title.....
The Hurley worm gets the bird
Quote from: tower912 on January 11, 2023, 05:51:27 PM
If MU wins and somebody flips off the UConn coach infront of everybody, how about this for a thread title.....
The Hurley worm gets the bird
LOVE this!
Hurley just said we are tough to prepare for. Almost like a low major with a lot of talent. Man.
yeah that kind of weird. fitting for hurley
Quote from: Daniel on January 11, 2023, 05:55:10 PM
Hurley just said we are tough to prepare for. Almost like a low major with a lot of talent. Man.
Prick
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 11, 2023, 10:38:45 AM
I think you're not giving their guards enough respect here. Newton is very good at creating for others (though he has a TO problem) and is elite at drawing fouls and getting to the line.
Jackson is an elite defender and has somehow turned into a great distributor (he's always been good for a wing but now he's top 10 in the conference). His shooting leaves something to be desired his passing and defending more than make up for it.
Hawkins is a very good defender (look what he did to poor Trey Alexander in his last game) and is a top 3 3P shooter in the conference. I've watched him a couple of times and he has that Markus Howard release where he can go from dribbling to shooting in the blink of an eye (often drawing a foul in the process). To be clear, I am not saying he's Markus Howard, I'm saying he has a release as quick as Howard.
Diarra and Allenye are both plus defenders off the bench and Calcaterra shoots 45.3% from 3.
I think all of their guards do at least one thing "great" and do most things well. Each of them does have a fatal flaw that can be exploited though (Newton's TOs, Jackson's shooting, Hawkins is poor inside the arc, Allenye/Diarra are poor on offense, Calcaterra can't defend)
10/31, 4/17 from 3, 15 asst (6 from Jackson) and 7 turnovers.
Maybe it's an off night, and maybe it's just MUs guards stellar defense, but if UConn's season ends early it'll be because this collection of "guards" need to be better.
Hurley needs to tighten up the rotation and find an alpha or 3 amongst this group methinks
Quote from: DoctorV on January 11, 2023, 09:05:37 AM
MU82 mentioned Ross possibly having a big game, and I think we need him to defensively.
I kind of like Sean Jones here though. I like him against organized/big defenses that lack in speed.
Marquette will have to out-speed them all night to win.
Lightning, speed. I am speed.
Great game SJ22
Quote from: DoctorV on January 11, 2023, 09:19:01 PM
Lightning, speed. I am speed.
Great game SJ22
Good call on Sean. He was great tonight!
Quote from: Daniel on January 11, 2023, 05:55:10 PM
Hurley just said we are tough to prepare for. Almost like a low major with a lot of talent. Man.
Did he really say that? What does that even mean? Does he know the overall record between the two schools? What a douche!
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 11, 2023, 09:23:23 PM
Did he really say that? What does that even mean? Does he know the overall record between the two schools? What a douche!
He said it in in a pre-game quick interview ...
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 11, 2023, 09:23:23 PM
Did he really say that? What does that even mean? Does he know the overall record between the two schools? What a douche!
I think it means that we don't have the brand name players, which doesn't seem like a slight to me. We might not have a first team Big East player yet might also be the best team in the league.
Agree with brew that he didn't mean it as a slight ... but when I heard it, I did say "WTF?" because it sounded like a backhanded compliment.
Quote from: panda on January 10, 2023, 03:48:08 PM
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Easy money betting against UConn again. Marquette as home dogs against anyone in the BE is free.
Quote from: panda on January 11, 2023, 10:05:18 PM
Easy money betting against UConn again. Marquette as home dogs against anyone in the BE is free.
That'll be the last time this year.
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2023, 05:42:26 PM
I love this team. If I were to bet, I would put my money on UConn. Both Xavier and Providence had enough size to go toe to toe with Sanogo and Clanigan. MU doesn't. The UConn guards shot and missed way too many 3's.
I predict an emphasis on pounding the ball inside and hitting the offensive boards hard.
IF MU can force turnovers and not get blown up on the boards, MU can win. I am not feeling it.
Hopefully this win finally helps you get over your coleitis. We're a top 25 team at home. I expect to win them all on our court.
MU forced turnovers and didn't get blown up on the boards.
Quote from: tower912 on January 12, 2023, 05:42:32 AM
MU forced turnovers and didn't get blown up on the boards.
Yes, but you didn't expect them to. Next time "We'll find a way to force turnovers and hang with them on the boards. I'm feeling it."
Let go of the COLE - it's liberating.
the play i definitely thought was going to kill us if it came down to a close game-i mean tied or a one possession game with seconds left-
that damn pick and roll by uconn with clingon setting the high pick and would literally roll to the basket wide arse open. i mean the guy could've been 5'1" and it would have been a devastating play, but for a 7'er...geez that was too easy time after time. i was hoping someone would call in to shaka's bat phone and tell him to STOP that play. uconn should have run that play every time down the floor, but i'm sure glad they didn't. omax was always caught between staying between his guy and the baseline 3 or collapsing and risking giving up the 3
Was listening to Field of 68 Best Bets yesterday and Shaka as a home dawg at MU is 16-5 (including last night) vs the spread. Again, won't happen again this year of being an underdawg, but still an insane stat.
Quote from: zcg2013 on January 12, 2023, 07:28:58 AM
Was listening to Field of 68 Best Bets yesterday and Shaka as a home dawg at MU is 16-5 (including last night) vs the spread. Again, won't happen again this year of being an underdawg, but still an insane stat.
Thats a dog in general for Shaka at MU
We have not been a home dog 21 times in 1.5 years ha
Vegas would be shut down.
Quote from: 1SE on January 12, 2023, 05:48:17 AM
Yes, but you didn't expect them to. Next time "We'll find a way to force turnovers and hang with them on the boards. I'm feeling it."
Let go of the COLE - it's liberating.
Not every prediction needs to be called out here.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 11, 2023, 10:08:43 PM
That'll be the last time this year.
Agree - their value will be much more accurately reflected in lines moving forward after last night/previous conference games
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2023, 07:47:00 AM
Not every prediction needs to be called out here.
Meh. I missed one. I'll be fine.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2023, 07:47:00 AM
Not every prediction needs to be called out here.
Right, since he's usually predicting that we win by 20.
I realize that after Wojo it's hard to feel like we deserve to be respected, but I will go into every game for the rest of the season thinking we will win.
1SE:
tower actually predicted we'd be better this season than last, which a whole lot of Scoopers didn't do. Like all of us, he's made a few wrong individual game predictions. Or are you 18-out-of-18?
It's not like he's the guy who predicted we'd have a losing record, said we'd lose to Georgia Tech, said there was no "realm of possibility" in which we could beat Baylor, predicted we'd only win one road game all season, etc. THAT guy deserves a little good-natured ribbing.
Picking UConn to win last night's game? Not exactly a crazy prediction. UConn was favored.
I mean, one could easily ask you when it's safe to say that Shaka has finally passed his first test!
Those of us who know ball and sequently don't speak out of our asses know differently, aina?
Doc
Thanks for breaking home the win last night!! Job well done.
Quote from: MU82 on January 12, 2023, 10:36:22 AM
1SE:
tower actually predicted we'd be better this season than last, which a whole lot of Scoopers didn't do. Like all of us, he's made a few wrong individual game predictions. Or are you 18-out-of-18?
It's not like he's the guy who predicted we'd have a losing record, said we'd lose to Georgia Tech, said there was no "realm of possibility" in which we could beat Baylor, predicted we'd only win one road game all season, etc. THAT guy deserves a little good-natured ribbing.
Picking UConn to win last night's game? Not exactly a crazy prediction. UConn was favored.
I mean, one could easily ask you when it's safe to say that Shaka has finally passed his first test!
I know he's more even handed than lots of other folks - and I'm not coming down hard on him or anyone else for a single game prediction (and I maintain the test :-) ! - my two big critiques of Shaka remain that he's not great in close, end-game situations and the March success thing).
It's just those that consistently expect that MU success will be on the low side of the potential outcomes - I get that - some folks are glass half empty and like to be pleasantly surprised. But I think there was an interesting point in the other thread about COLE-orientation based on your personal tenure at MU. I'm an '00-'04 guy who had only marginally followed the program as a kid (it wasn't "my team") but had an amazing experience as a student those years - was at every one of the 28 game home winning streak - f Reece Gaines.
I want a team that I expect to win every time they step on the court (especially at home). Of course they won't - but I want a team where that is a reasonable expectation. We have that this year and it is tons of fun. I will expect MU to win every game the rest of the year and will disappointed in any that they lose. I want a team where there are no "good losses". Of course there are tougher games (Saturday could well be our toughest game of the year) but this team can win that game. I think a lot of the the 81 game streak era and the Buzz streak era folks feel the same way.
It makes sense that if one's experience instead of Dukeit or Majerus or Wojo maybe that's not your understanding of the program.
But last night was a great win and is a great team. I hope the COLEs can convert - even if it sets them up for heartbreak and disappointment. This is a team to believe in.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 12, 2023, 10:41:19 AM
Those of us who know ball and sequently don't speak out of our asses know differently, aina?
Congrats on correctly predicting the results of all 18 games this season, Doc!
Since calling for the Bucks to be broken up about 10 seconds before they won the NBA title, you must have really studied up. I guess sitting in the basement listening to the police scanner for hours at a time can get pretty boring, so why not use some extra time to learn ball.
BTW, lots of us who know ball picked Marquette to win last night, but it's OK if your ego needs you to believe you're the only one who did.
Quote from: 1SE on January 12, 2023, 11:00:37 AM
I know he's more even handed than lots of other folks - and I'm not coming down hard on him or anyone else for a single game prediction (and I maintain the test :-) ! - my two big critiques of Shaka remain that he's not great in close, end-game situations and the March success thing).
It's just those that consistently expect that MU success will be on the low side of the potential outcomes - I get that - some folks are glass half empty and like to be pleasantly surprised. But I think there was an interesting point in the other thread about COLE-orientation based on your personal tenure at MU. I'm an '00-'04 guy who had only marginally followed the program as a kid (it wasn't "my team") but had an amazing experience as a student those years - was at every one of the 28 game home winning streak - f Reece Gaines.
I want a team that I expect to win every time they step on the court (especially at home). Of course they won't - but I want a team where that is a reasonable expectation. We have that this year and it is tons of fun. I will expect MU to win every game the rest of the year and will disappointed in any that they lose. I want a team where there are no "good losses". Of course there are tougher games (Saturday could well be our toughest game of the year) but this team can win that game. I think a lot of the the 81 game streak era and the Buzz streak era folks feel the same way.
It makes sense that if one's experience instead of Dukeit or Majerus or Wojo maybe that's not your understanding of the program.
But last night was a great win and is a great team. I hope the COLEs can convert - even if it sets them up for heartbreak and disappointment. This is a team to believe in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament
Quote from: Goose on January 12, 2023, 10:50:22 AM
Doc
Thanks for breaking home the win last night!! Job well done.
Goose, that was easy and for those of us who know ball, the game was never in doubt, hey?
Quote from: MU82 on January 12, 2023, 11:01:23 AM
Congrats on correctly predicting the results of all 18 games this season, Doc!
Since calling for the Bucks to be broken up about 10 seconds before they won the NBA title, you must have really studied up. I guess sitting in the basement listening to the police scanner for hours at a time can get pretty boring, so why not use some extra time to learn ball.
BTW, lots of us who know ball picked Marquette to win last night, but it's OK if your ego needs you to believe you're the only one who did.
My pleasure and if you need a prediction on the next presidential election, I'm happy to give you that result also, hey?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 12, 2023, 11:13:10 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament
... at Marquette...
Quote from: 1SE on January 12, 2023, 12:23:00 PM
... at Marquette...
Meh, sample set of one, and we weren't even supposed to be there... and we played the National Champion runner up... who was seeded wayyyy to high.
I'm going to give him a pass for last year for sure. ;)
Quote from: 1SE on January 12, 2023, 11:00:37 AM
I know he's more even handed than lots of other folks
I certainly try to be. I try to base my expectations on what I would expect from a team made up exactly like this without Marquette on the jersey. So, for this team, I saw potential to be really good, based on everybody returning and improving a normal amount.
I thought this team could be bullied down low. They have been at times, but just enough defense and an amazingly efficient offense has allowed them to not be defined by it. Specific to last night, I expected UConn to emphasize Sanogo and Clanigan and basically run the offense through them. Dump down, force help, either score or pass to the open shooter. Because that is what I would have done if I was coaching UConn.
Macro, MU is doing a very good job of emphasizing their strengths and finding ways to compensate for their weaknesses. They are also doing a nice job of minimizing an opponent's strength. The next challenge will be the second trip through the conference. What will MU's counters be?
I will never be a cheerleader. It just isn't me. Losses do not cause me to lose a nanosecond of sleep. COLE? I thought this team would have a similar to slightly better record compared to last year, maybe getting to 22 regular season wins. March success? Tell me how healthy MU will be, who they are playing and where. Then I will worry about March success.
Enjoy the ride. Go Marquette!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 12, 2023, 11:21:59 AM
My pleasure and if you need a prediction on the next presidential election, I'm happy to give you that result also, hey?
Well, that would be politics, and we don't discuss that on The Al board. Which you know.
Ur write. Neva diskussed, always dictated, doe, hey?
Quote from: 1SE on January 12, 2023, 11:00:37 AM
I know he's more even handed than lots of other folks - and I'm not coming down hard on him or anyone else for a single game prediction (and I maintain the test :-) ! - my two big critiques of Shaka remain that he's not great in close, end-game situations and the March success thing).
It's just those that consistently expect that MU success will be on the low side of the potential outcomes - I get that - some folks are glass half empty and like to be pleasantly surprised. But I think there was an interesting point in the other thread about COLE-orientation based on your personal tenure at MU. I'm an '00-'04 guy who had only marginally followed the program as a kid (it wasn't "my team") but had an amazing experience as a student those years - was at every one of the 28 game home winning streak - f Reece Gaines.
I want a team that I expect to win every time they step on the court (especially at home). Of course they won't - but I want a team where that is a reasonable expectation. We have that this year and it is tons of fun. I will expect MU to win every game the rest of the year and will disappointed in any that they lose. I want a team where there are no "good losses". Of course there are tougher games (Saturday could well be our toughest game of the year) but this team can win that game. I think a lot of the the 81 game streak era and the Buzz streak era folks feel the same way.
It makes sense that if one's experience instead of Dukeit or Majerus or Wojo maybe that's not your understanding of the program.
But last night was a great win and is a great team. I hope the COLEs can convert - even if it sets them up for heartbreak and disappointment. This is a team to believe in.
We won't lose Saturday.
New Haven Register
MEN'S BASKETBALL
Clingan's big game for naught in loss
By David Borges
MILWAUKEE — For one 3 1/2-minute stretch, the UConn men's basketball team looked as good as it's looked since Big East play began.
With Donovan Clingan dominating both ends of the floor, the Huskies harkened back to their performance at the PK85 Invitational in Portland, Ore. — where Clingan was named MVP — and turned a five-point deficit into an 11-point lead during that one blinding stretch in the first half.
Clingan continued to dominate the rest of the way, but the sixth-ranked Huskies didn't get enough production from elsewhere and fell to Marquette 82-76 Wednesday night at Fiserv Forum.
"If you go on the (team) bus right now, there's not one smile on a face," Clingan said. "Everyone's bothered by it, everyone's hurt. We've just got to find the toughness, the team identity, individual identity again, and we'll be good."
UConn (15-3, 4-3 Big East) dropped its 17th straight true road game to a ranked team, dating back to a January, 2014 win at Memphis. The Huskies have now dropped three straight road contests, at No. 12 Xavier on Dec. 31, at No. 19 Providence on Jan. 4, and now at 25th-ranked Marquette.
"It's a big-time atmosphere in here, no prompting needed," UConn coach Dan Hurley said. "This crowd was definitely a factor when we were unraveling. You've got to play a full 40-minute game if you want to win on the road."
Marquette improved to 14-4, 6-1 Big East.
Clingan finished with 20 points, 10 rebounds, five blocks and two steals, and got some help from fellow freshman Alex Karaban (17 points, seven boards). It was easily the best game in the Big East for both players.
"The wins and losses mean 100-percent everything," a downcast Karaban said. "I don't care how well I played, as long as we win, I'll be the happiest kid alive."
But UConn's two leading scorers, Adama Sanogo and Jordan Hawkins, were too quiet. Sanogo finished with 10 points, just three rebounds and five turnovers. while Hawkins had eight points on a mere 1-for-8 shooting.
"It's going to be hard to win on the road that way, in places like this against teams like that," Hurley said.
UConn's 11-point first-half lead was whittled down to four at the break, and when Oso Ighodaro hit a jumper just under four minutes into the latter half, the Golden Eagles owned a 44-42 lead.
They would never trail again.
Four straight Clingan points would bring the Huskies within 52-50. But Marquette opened up a nine-point lead (73-64) with 2:31 left. UConn would get back to within three on a Karaban and-1 inside the final minute, but the Golden Eagles knocked down six straight foul shots to seal the deal.
Clingan checked in with 11:46 left in the first half and UConn trailing 17-15. He quickly scored on a dunk, followed by a layup off a pass from Nahiem Alleyne.
He'd add a layup off a Joey Calcaterra feed that helped spur a 14-0 UConn run over 3 1/2 minutes, capped by a Tristen Newton drive and forcing Shaka Smart to burn a timeout.
The Huskies' head-spinning run came courtesy of Clingan, Calcaterra, Alleyne and starters Newton and Andre Jackson. When starters Sanogo, Karaban and Hawkins checked back in, Marquette immediately went on a 9-0 run to get within two. Clearly suffering a bit of Ryan Kalkbrenner letdown (he had dominated Creighton's 7-footer on Saturday), Sanogo failed to grab a rebound and turned the ball over four times in the opening half, the last of which caused Hurley to replace him with Clingan again.
Asked what was wrong with Sanogo on Wednesday, Hurley replied: "I'm not sure. I think he just had a bad game. I think early, he got a little spooked. He had those great opportunities early around the basket. A couple of turnovers ... he got unnerved a little bit out there, which a guy with his experience, I think he'll respond."
Clingan wound up playing a season-high matching 21 minutes, Sanogo 19.
david.borges@- hearstmediact.com @DaveBorges
The F is a "Kalkenbrenner Letdown?" That's even dumber than "trap game"
There was one more Dave Borge article post-Marquette game about UConn and conference play, but I couldn't link or let alone copy it.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 13, 2023, 03:17:54 PM
There was one more Dave Borge article post-Marquette game about UConn and conference play, but I couldn't link or let alone copy it.
This one?
https://www.milfordmirror.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-team-Big-East-17712748.php
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 13, 2023, 03:25:48 PM
This one?
https://www.milfordmirror.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-team-Big-East-17712748.php
This seems like an overreaction.
Beating ranked teams on the road is always tough. It is entirely possible UConn now runs the table in the league. They have just gone through their gauntlet.
Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2023, 03:32:08 PM
Beating ranked teams on the road is always tough. It is entirely possible UConn now runs the table in the league. They have just gone through their gauntlet.
@Creighton is tough too, but yeah. Three of their four toughest games are behind them.
Assuming Creighton gets on track.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2023, 03:28:22 PM
This seems like an overreaction.
Sure, he essentially took a Hurley quote and wrote an article around it. However, I thought this stat (heard it during the game) was almost unbelievable.
QuoteThe program is now 0-17 in true road games against ranked opponents (0-7 under Hurley), dating back to a January, 2014 win at Memphis.
I mean, I know they haven't been this good most of those years, and AAC didn't offer as many ranked opponents. Still, you'd expect a few random road wins against ranked opponents in almost a decade.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 13, 2023, 03:25:48 PM
This one?
https://www.milfordmirror.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/UConn-men-s-basketball-team-Big-East-17712748.php
That's the one!
One of those stats that are interesting but don't matter. Going forward, how many wins are they going to have to get over ranked teams on the road?
Houston in the final four?
Rocky, most of those road losses pre-date Hurley. He is 0-7 against ranked team in true road games at UConn. All of them Big East losses.
I mean, that's not great but its conference road games.
Not worth being too impressed with Dan Hurley at least until he wins something more important at UConn than Wojo did at Marquette.