This MU team, even with some obvious weaknesses, has the potential to make some serious noise. The Prov loss was beyond upsetting but I like how our guys have bounced back. My take is this group has a quiet confidence and without question can usurp prime position in the BEast conference over the next 4 games. Remember, we have been in position to win EVERY one of our 16 games while navigating droughts and some flukish events on the floor. I'm hopeful that we can improve in some fundamental areas and reach the promised land in due time.
What's the next level "beyond upsetting"?
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2023, 03:00:08 PM
What's the next level "beyond upsetting"?
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Cataclysmic disaster.
Hiroshima?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2023, 02:57:34 PM
This MU team, even with some obvious weaknesses, has the potential to make some serious noise. The Prov loss was beyond upsetting but I like how our guys have bounced back. My take is this group has a quiet confidence and without question can usurp prime position in the BEast conference over the next 4 games. Remember, we have been in position to win EVERY one of our 16 games while navigating droughts and some flukish events on the floor. I'm hopeful that we can improve in some fundamental areas and reach the promised land in due time.
This is one of the biggest things I loved about Buzz's teams that Wojo's teams never seemed to have. We've not been blown out this year and are competitive no matter who or where we play. I was hoping to see Shaka bring the intensity back to MU basketball and he's 100% accomplished that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 04, 2023, 03:02:14 PM
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Cataclysmic disaster.
Like Mount Vesuvius exploding in AD 79?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 04, 2023, 03:11:11 PM
This is one of the biggest things I loved about Buzz's teams that Wojo's teams never seemed to have. We've not been blown out this year and are competitive no matter who or where we play. I was hoping to see Shaka bring the intensity back to MU basketball and he's 100% accomplished that.
Phew! I was worried that this thread about this season's team, which has absolutely nothing to do with earlier eras of Marquette basketball, might get 10 posts in without a "Wojo sucks" mention.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 04, 2023, 03:11:11 PM
This is one of the biggest things I loved about Buzz's teams that Wojo's teams never seemed to have. We've not been blown out this year and are competitive no matter who or where we play. I was hoping to see Shaka bring the intensity back to MU basketball and he's 100% accomplished that.
You may want to check the history of Marquette basketball
Was expecting the original post to be:
Tyko was right
F*ck 'em.
Buzz got blown out plenty.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 04, 2023, 03:59:22 PM
Was expecting the original post to be:
Tyko was right
F*ck 'em.
That's essentially my point J A M.
What some would consider Buzz's most talented team, in 2011-12, lost 8 games. Five were by double digits.
The 2012-13 Elite 8 team lost by 33 to Florida earlier in the year.
I could go on.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 04, 2023, 04:08:42 PM
What some would consider Buzz's most talented team, in 2011-12, lost 8 games. Five were by double digits.
The 2012-13 Elite 8 team lost by 33 to Florida earlier in the year.
I could go on.
Oh, we
know that.
Bravo
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on January 04, 2023, 03:11:11 PM
This is one of the biggest things I loved about Buzz's teams that Wojo's teams never seemed to have. We've not been blown out this year and are competitive no matter who or where we play. I was hoping to see Shaka bring the intensity back to MU basketball and he's 100% accomplished that.
Buzz's teams got blown out numerous times........some of those blowouts were with his best teams. Some of them were in the NCAA tournament.......some were in the Bug East tournament.
Shaka's team got blown out more then once last season..
I'm as happy as anyone else that it hasn't happened yet this season.......but let's not pretend that Shaka has somehow made the program so strong that we won't get blown out anymore.
Everybody gets blown out.......great coaches and bad coaches.......it's just the nature of sports.
Snoop
Thanks for the laugh.
Quote from: MuMark on January 04, 2023, 05:25:39 PM
Buzz's teams got blown out numerous times........some of those blowouts were with his best teams. Some of them were in the NCAA tournament.......some were in the Bug East tournament.
...where you really need fresh sets of legs to win.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 04, 2023, 06:07:47 PM
...where you really need fresh sets of legs to win.
I mean, they were coached by a guy named Buzz!
Things are heating up (or cooling down, as the case may be) in the big Nrs-wades bet on whether Kolek shoots 35% or better from behind the arc.
After making his only attempt vs. The Provi got Tyler to .405, he has gone 0-for-2 in each of the next 3 games.
He's now at ...
.349
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2023, 07:14:12 AM
Things are heating up (or cooling down, as the case may be) in the big Nrs-wades bet on whether Kolek shoots 35% or better from behind the arc.
After making his only attempt vs. The Provi got Tyler to .405, he has gone 0-for-2 in each of the next 3 games.
He's now at ...
.349
Who ya got?
Quote from: DoctorV on January 06, 2023, 07:31:48 AM
Who ya got?
You wanna make a bet on who wins the bet?
i forget who had what position?
my bet is tk ends up shooting 38 % beyond the arc.
tyler knows his limitations and one of the best things about him is he knows where he helps this team the most. he finds the best option for us to score. if/when he runs out of plan "B"'s, "C"'s,"D"'s...he'll pop a 3 but that is the beauty of a dude with point guard in his blood. he actually loves and takes more pride in assists over points. the points will come when opposing players over play his options
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 06, 2023, 08:29:28 AM
i forget who had what position?
my bet is tk ends up shooting 38 % beyond the arc.
tyler knows his limitations and one of the best things about him is he knows where he helps this team the most. he finds the best option for us to score. if/when he runs out of plan "B"'s, "C"'s,"D"'s...he'll pop a 3 but that is the beauty of a dude with point guard in his blood. he actually loves and takes more pride in assists over points. the points will come when opposing players over play his options
I think that's what we all hoped for last year, once opposing coaches focused on shutting down his passing lanes and sending a big at him when he drove into the lane. Didn't adjust successfully (ie, didn't shoot well) towards the end of last year. He's a better, smarter player this year. Let's hope he'll become a more effective shooter and get up to 38% or higher.
Quote from: MU82 on January 06, 2023, 07:14:12 AM
Things are heating up (or cooling down, as the case may be) in the big Nrs-wades bet on whether Kolek shoots 35% or better from behind the arc.
After making his only attempt vs. The Provi got Tyler to .405, he has gone 0-for-2 in each of the next 3 games.
He's now at ...
.349
His above the break three point percentage is 38.2%, the highest on the team.
Quote from: mug644 on January 06, 2023, 10:56:50 AM
I think that's what we all hoped for last year, once opposing coaches focused on shutting down his passing lanes and sending a big at him when he drove into the lane. Didn't adjust successfully (ie, didn't shoot well) towards the end of last year. He's a better, smarter player this year. Let's hope he'll become a more effective shooter and get up to 38% or higher.
I don't think teams can do that this year because of Oso. His ability to play high unclogs the lane and his passing means teams can't just focus on one player's distribution.
Not saying there isn't a counter, but the counter that worked for teams last year won't work this year.
The solution to Oso is to sag.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2023, 12:34:51 PM
The solution to Oso is to sag.
Same as Giannis...allows for a running start...
Quote from: jfp61 on January 06, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
His above the break three point percentage is 38.2%, the highest on the team.
If only Ners had bet on that.
Or if only Kolek only took shots above the break.
I love Oso for what he is. He isn't Giannis.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2023, 12:34:51 PM
The solution to Oso is to sag.
I don't think it's that easy. Teams would be doing it if it was. Joplin and Kam primarily, but really everyone else that plays is capable of knocking down open 3 pointers. Nobody wants to give up open 3s in todays game because teams can run away with a game quickly that way. Not easy to defend this team with this offense in any capacity.
I understand your argument. Edey sagged. Of course, he is 7'4. But MU's cuts weren't as effective and MU led because Joplin went nuts from distance in that second half. If Clingan/Sanogo, Kalkbrenner/X big sag back 3-4 feet and force him to go left, it will neutralize a lot of his angles.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2023, 02:28:59 PM
I understand your argument. Edey sagged. Of course, he is 7'4. But MU's cuts weren't as effective and MU led because Joplin went nuts from distance in that second half. If Clingan/Sanogo, Kalkbrenner/X big sag back 3-4 feet and force him to go left, it will neutralize a lot of his angles.
I think you're onto something with Joplin. He is the key to the puzzle when teams neutralize Oso. Kam will get his, but Joplin needs to be hitting his shots to add the additional outside presence for this team. If he can become more consistent I think this team is at another level offensively. And looking at Jops overall numbers he's been great % wise, but he's just been hit or miss depending on the day and if he can narrow down the off days we become so much tougher.
Likewise, Wojo slurping is hard to quit...
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2023, 03:48:38 PM
Phew! I was worried that this thread about this season's team, which has absolutely nothing to do with earlier eras of Marquette basketball, might get 10 posts in without a "Wojo sucks" mention.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 06, 2023, 02:36:35 PM
I think you're onto something with Joplin. He is the key to the puzzle when teams neutralize Oso. Kam will get his, but Joplin needs to be hitting his shots to add the additional outside presence for this team. If he can become more consistent I think this team is at another level offensively. And looking at Jops overall numbers he's been great % wise, but he's just been hit or miss depending on the day and if he can narrow down the off days we become so much tougher.
Jop and Kam are going to hit most nights...Kolek and O-Max hit their open 3s and it's lights out.
I think Stevie is going to be the key for big time success the rest of the way. He makes the D take him seriously I think our offense goes to another level. If he can be consistent 8-10 ppg guy, they will win a lot of games. I think it could add at least 1-2 more BE wins than I thought two weeks ago, which was 12+.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2023, 12:59:41 PM
I love Oso for what he is. He isn't Giannis.
We all understand this...but Giannis has shown the world how to attack the rim when guys sag off of him. Oso isn't Giannis...and the guys typically guarding Oso aren't NBA level either...and Oso has proven effective closing the gap by attacking off the dribble.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 06, 2023, 07:10:10 PM
We all understand this...but Giannis has shown the world how to attack the rim when guys sag off of him. Oso isn't Giannis...and the guys typically guarding Oso aren't NBA level either...and Oso has proven effective closing the gap by attacking off the dribble.
I agree with this analysis.
TyKo was 100% spot-on with his emphatic one word proclamation.