There is a lot of discussion about the improvement of Oso, Kam Jones, Omax, etc, and that is all very true. But, I want to congratulate Ben Gold on his improvement too. He started the year slowly, but is now showing definite signs of being a really solid contributor. He does not get a lot of minutes, but he is definitely starting to make the most of the minutes he gets. His defense against Creighton was great, and he is consistently running the floor hard, going hard after loose balls, etc. Keep up the good work, Ben. More minutes are coming your way.
On defense he's been really good at using his chest on defense. A lot more sturdy when guys try to post him up than the lankiness of his frame shows.
Expect big things from him during his tenure at Marquette
But of course a traditional
Ben is a freshman big. Who came from New Zealand and. missed a a lot of game reps due to COVID. Culture shock and basketball shock. He is making progress. Adjusting to the speed and intensity. He has to realize how big and strong he is.
But, like Sean and Chase, he hasn't played lime he was afraid.
He's currently number 2 on my my "current MU players most likely to get at least a cup of coffee in the NBA" list, behind OMax.
Gold really had a nice all-around game yesterday. I was glad to see that 3 swish through.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 02:37:13 PM
Gold really had a nice all-around game yesterday. I was glad to see that 3 swish through.
Was hoping he'd have the opportunity to shoot a couple more with the pick and pop. His teammates had other ideas though. Seems like if the first one goes in they should try to set him up for another. I agree with others who say that he has a lot of potential and will be an impact player at MU going forward. I also like when he is in the game at the same time as Oso.
Nolongerwindbag said he stinks
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 02:58:14 PM
Nolongerwindbag said he stinks
Just mad that Bo Jr. missed a white guy taller than 6-3.
Ben is a good player who will get better with more playing time and maturity. He's already a contributor who helps and doesn't hurt the team. He's fun to watch.
Considering all the factors Tower brought up, he has done a commendable job. But got to think Shaka recognizes necessary talent level.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2022, 02:58:14 PM
Nolongerwindbag said he stinks
By now, nlw is being as ironic and mocking and as inaccurate as you are. You are doing it as schtick. He's just a dumbass who doesn't realize he is a dumbass.
I think Ben is going to become a very big part of the program. There is a lot to like and when he gets the shot the working he will play a bigger role this season.
Quote from: Goose on December 17, 2022, 05:18:58 PM
I think Ben is going to become a very big of the program. There is a lot to like and when he gets the shot the working he will play a bigger role this season.
'a very big' what?
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 17, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
He's currently number 2 on my my "current MU players most likely to get at least a cup of coffee in the NBA" list, behind OMax.
Sleepin' on Kam, hey?
tower
Corrected. Typing on phone while having a cocktail and cigar outside and freezing my ass off.
Are we sure Ben Gold isn't Bill Walton in a time machine?
Quote from: Goose on December 17, 2022, 05:24:29 PM
tower
Corrected. Typing on phone while having a cocktail and cigar outside and freezing my ass off.
All good.
Quote from: tower912 on December 17, 2022, 03:45:55 PM
By now, nlw is being as ironic and mocking and as inaccurate as you are. You are doing it as schtick. He's just a dumbass who doesn't realize he is a dumbass.
In some sense, we're all dumbasses who don't realize we're dumbasses.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2022, 05:26:21 PM
Are we sure Ben Gold isn't Bill Walton in a time machine?
Ha! That's pretty funny Wades.
Ben, is an interesting player, Shaka playing him out of position at center. To skinny, needs to gain 20 pounds of muscle, so he can play the 4. More of a wing but not quick enough. Maturity will be a big help, hope he stays 4 years.
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Quote from: BCHoopster on December 17, 2022, 06:03:16 PM
Ben, is an interesting player, Shaka playing him out of position at center. To skinny, needs to gain 20 pounds of muscle, so he can play the 4. More of a wing but not quick enough. Maturity will be a big help, hope he stays 4 years.
Plan is 3 yrs
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2022, 05:22:41 PM
Sleepin' on Kam, hey?
Too small and not good enough D to be an NBA 2. Not a PG. Will be a helluva college player though.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 17, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Too small and not good enough D to be an NBA 2. Not a PG. Will be a helluva college player though.
Wizz, knot sure ewe no ball. Da kid kan ball out at 6'4", aina?
Quote from: Goose on December 17, 2022, 05:24:29 PM
tower
Corrected. Typing on phone while having a cocktail and cigar outside and freezing my ass off.
What kind of cocktail? Whose cigar? How cold?
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BG's minutes and production (and development) have been a welcome surprise. I just thought he would take a year before seeing the rotation.
I do wonder what his role would have been to start had ZW not been hurt. Maybe it's the same. Maybe it's not.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2022, 08:03:04 PM
Wizz, knot sure ewe no ball. Da kid kan ball out at 6'4", aina?
Would love to be wrong. To be a 6'4" SG in the Association, you've got to be able to defend NBA level guards. Right now Kam is being assigned the 4th or 5th scoring option on college teams. Would love for him to become a pit bull defender. We are seeing improvement
Teams pay for scorers and Kam can shoot it. Tyme will tell, aina?
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 17, 2022, 08:52:53 PM
Would love to be wrong. To be a 6'4" SG in the Association, you've got to be able to defend NBA level guards. Right now Kam is being assigned the 4th or 5th scoring option on college teams. Would love for him to become a pit bull defender. We are seeing improvement
Man, Wiz, the guy who wanted the Bucks to trade Giannis' azz just said you don't know basketball. That's a deep cut.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
Teams pay for scorers and Kam can shoot it. Tyme will tell, aina?
He's a good shooter. Streaky. But if you look at the stats, he is fine as a three point shooter, but this year he is living at the rim. That will be a lot harder for a guy his size in the NBA.
Put it another way, at this point, Kam isn't yet a senior-year DJO level scorer...and DJO got five games in the NBA. (To be fair, that might meet TAMU's "cup of coffee" definition.) As TAMU said, I would love to be wrong, but I just don't think he has the combination of size and athleticism.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 18, 2022, 07:15:21 AM
Kam isn't yet a senior-year DJO level scorer...and DJO got five games in the NBA.
Excellent perspective.
Kam is only
11 12 games into his sophomore season, so we'll see how good he can get, but he's light years away from the NBA now. Of course, all it takes is for his people to be telling him he's a lock for him to leave, so who ever knows about this stuff?
Quote from: MU82 on December 18, 2022, 07:12:28 PM
Excellent perspective.
Kam is only 11 games into his sophomore season, so we'll see how good he can get, but he's light years away from the NBA now. Of course, all it takes is for his people to be telling him he's a lock for him to leave, so who ever knows about this stuff?
What game are you not counting?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 19, 2022, 08:47:27 AM
What game are you not counting?
D'oh! Corrected - thanks. Point still stands.
Caca de toro, aina?
Back to Ben... his rugby background is perfect for the Big East. He is a great addition to the program. Also, a cigar and cocktail is a perfect combo regardless of the weather. If it is below 32, consider a rye, neat.
Quote from: PJDunn on December 19, 2022, 09:37:04 AM
Back to Ben... his rugby background is perfect for the Big East. He is a great addition to the program. Also, a cigar and cocktail is a perfect combo regardless of the weather. If it is below 32, consider a rye, neat.
lol it's a large jump to say rugby background translate to basketball in general. This feels just like a way to say "we're tougher than others" in a non contact sport
Bennys got really nice sneaky athleticism, and apparently a smooth 3P shot.
Hopefully once that shot starts falling and guys have to step out on him aggressively he can use the pump fake and athleticism to his advantage and make a living offensively, like that jam he had earlier this season.
I'd like for him to keep working on the ball handling and passing.
He's trending up defensively, just keep working.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 19, 2022, 12:46:04 PM
Bennys got really nice sneaky athleticism, and apparently a smooth 3P shot.
Hopefully once that shot starts falling and guys have to step out on him aggressively he can use the pump fake and athleticism to his advantage and make a living offensively, like that jam he had earlier this season.
I'd like for him to keep working on the ball handling and passing.
He's trending up defensively, just keep working.
He's a gym rat, too
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2022, 09:54:10 AM
lol it's a large jump to say rugby background translate to basketball in general. This feels just like a way to say "we're tougher than others" in a non contact sport
He probably is tougher, and that will play out nicely. He will also probably exhibit better sportsmanship than most. Lots to like about a rugby background.
Love the way he can handle the ball on the break. Not many big guys can do that. He and Oso together can create huge match up problems for a lot of teams. Next year is really going to be fun.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2022, 05:26:21 PM
Are we sure Ben Gold isn't Bill Walton in a time machine?
I just hope Ben can hold down Bill's affinity for the Grateful Dead. I always felt that was the most important part of Bill's game.
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on December 17, 2022, 02:11:51 PM
He's currently number 2 on my my "current MU players most likely to get at least a cup of coffee in the NBA" list, behind OMax.
Our most recent and the current leader of SoG begs to disagree....
Did you know Oso means "bear" in Spanish?
Quote from: mutodd5 on December 20, 2022, 01:25:28 PM
Our most recent and the current leader of SoG begs to disagree....
Did you know Oso means "bear" in Spanish?
If he can get his frame to more resemble his namesake or develop a three, I'll agree with you.
Quote from: MU82 on December 17, 2022, 02:59:05 PM
Just mad that Bo Jr. missed a white guy taller than 6-3.
Bo & Bo Jr doesn't care how tall they are, as long as they are white.
As I watched the game last night, I found myself asking multiple times... "if Ben is the only one making a shot... why are they not passing to him when he is wide open... instead we run in at 700 foot tall clingan?"
Multiple times Ben was open at the 3 line, hands up... and no one even looked at him. Ugh.
We need him vs. Creighton and Uconn.
Especially if Joplin and Omax get into foul trouble or play poorly
Earlier this year Shaka brought Novak in to spend some time with Ben. Here's hoping last night was like the DePaul game in Steve's freshman year, when he made some shots and really got cooking over the last month of the season.
I've liked Ben Gold's game from day 1. He's gotten better each week. He rarely makes mistakes. He's good. Hrs already added muscle and will add more next year. We're lucky to have him.
After an off-season in the weight room and getting more pure practice time, I have a feeling Ben Gold will be a damned good player next year. I am enjoying watching his progress.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 08, 2023, 12:09:07 PM
Earlier this year Shaka brought Novak in to spend some time with Ben. Here's hoping last night was like the DePaul game in Steve's freshman year, when he made some shots and really got cooking over the last month of the season.
His shot looks REALLY good. I'm impressed with how he's turned it on and got the jitters out.
I don't think Ben will ever be a rebounding center as he is not a quick jumper but he can become a Steve Novak type, just have to recruit a rebounding big which would help Ben immensely. Ben is a tough guard for a center which he showed last night, I see big improvement from year 1 to year 2. Big difference in living here then New Z.
Has lots of potential.
Quote from: fjm on February 08, 2023, 11:30:16 AM
As I watched the game last night, I found myself asking multiple times... "if Ben is the only one making a shot... why are they not passing to him when he is wide open... instead we run in at 700 foot tall clingan?"
Multiple times Ben was open at the 3 line, hands up... and no one even looked at him. Ugh.
I blame Markus.
Seriously, I was encouraged by Ben's play and disappointed the number of times the ball stopped moving -- and wasn't able to find Gold.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 08, 2023, 12:34:38 PM
I don't think Ben will ever be a rebounding center as he is not a quick jumper but he can become a Steve Novak type, just have to recruit a rebounding big which would help Ben immensely. Ben is a tough guard for a center which he showed last night, I see big improvement from year 1 to year 2. Big difference in living here then New Z.
Has lots of potential.
I'm not trying to present Gold as the next KD, but he's a better athlete than Novak was.
Agree that getting more acclimated with the U.S., Milwaukee and Marquette can only help him.
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One of my favorite things about Novak, aside from being the greatest shooter in MU history, was his ability to catch the ball and pull the trigger without a dribble and not miss a beat. If Ben is anywhere near the shooter Novak was, he will make a lot of money. But, I agree he is a better athlete and has other skills. I think Ben will make a difference in a big game before the year is out.
Quote from: Goose on February 08, 2023, 02:41:54 PM
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One of my favorite things about Novak, aside from being the greatest shooter in MU history, was his ability to catch the ball and pull the trigger without a dribble and not miss a beat. If Ben is anywhere near the shooter Novak was, he will make a lot of money. But, I agree he is a better athlete and has other skills. I think Ben will make a difference in a big game before the year is out.
Oh, Novak is one of the 3 best shooters I've ever seen. His ability to do just what you said kept him getting NBA paychecks for a decade.
I'd love to see Gold earn the opportunity to be a difference-maker in a game this season. Then again, I'd love that for any of our guys.
Maybe this is not realistic but I'm hoping Ben and Oso can be on the floor more together next season if there are matchups that can be exploited.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 08, 2023, 12:26:47 PM
His shot looks REALLY good. I'm impressed with how he's turned it on and got the jitters out.
Agree. Just one thing more please from Ben.
Stop bobbling the ball! He's got great upside but continues to have butterfingers.
I'm all in on Ben. Just nitpicking maybe, but it will cost us turnovers.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2023, 03:26:02 PM
Maybe this is not realistic but I'm hoping Ben and Oso can be on the floor more together next season if there are matchups that can be exploited.
.
Agreed, need to play bigger or when Omax does not show up, which is more often then you think!
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Who is the third? I would have Dale Ellis very high on my list.
Steph Curry?
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 08, 2023, 12:34:38 PM
I don't think Ben will ever be a rebounding center as he is not a quick jumper but he can become a Steve Novak type, just have to recruit a rebounding big which would help Ben immensely. Ben is a tough guard for a center which he showed last night, I see big improvement from year 1 to year 2. Big difference in living here then New Z.
Has lots of potential.
I agree with most of what you said. I think Ben is a good athlete who will prove to be a big contributor.
BL
Curry is best I have ever seen.
Joey Hauser
Quote from: Goose on February 08, 2023, 04:33:51 PM
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Who is the third? I would have Dale Ellis very high on my list.
Greg Elliott, of course!
Pure shooters, I'd go with Steph, Novak and Kerr. But if my life depended on someone making a 3, I'd go with Steph, Bird and Miller.
So many great choices, though. Even beyond Greg Elliott!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 08, 2023, 03:56:43 PM
Agree. Just one thing more please from Ben. Stop bobbling the ball! He's got great upside but continues to have butterfingers.
I'm all in on Ben. Just nitpicking maybe, but it will cost us turnovers.
Update- After reading about how the wrong size ball caused problems for Duke's Women's team (they had a NCAA men's bball for the first half of a game), I thought it would be interesting to see what size ball Ben played with in international play. I figured that he would have long since adjusted to the NCAA ball if there was, in fact, a difference from the international one. Maybe he still is adjusting, but my comments about his bobbling the ball need to be taken in context. Interesting read.
https://sportsaspire.com/official-basketball-size
Steph, Klay, Reggie, Korver, Ray, Larry, KD, Reddick. The list goes on.
Great game for Ben.
Playing that good against a top team like UCONN has to increase his swagger.
Best 3 point shooter I ever saw: Markus H #1 - Wowsey Rowsey #2 - he cold shoot left handed 3s after drawing a foul better than most other shooters could with their strong arm.
MU82
Famous quote by Pat Riley (paraphrased): "If it was a shot to win a game, I'd take Michael Jordan. If it was a shot to save my life, I'd take Larry Bird."
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 08, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
MU82
Famous quote by Pat Riley (paraphrased): "If it was a shot to win a game, I'd take Michael Jordan. If it was a shot to save my life, I'd take Larry Bird."
I like that one.
Is a smaller size ball easier to get into the basket? I don't play. Intuitively the answer is yes, just asking. Also is the circumference of the basket uniform? Why is the size not standard.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 09, 2023, 04:48:07 AM
Is a smaller size ball easier to get into the basket? I don't play. Intuitively the answer is yes, just asking. Also is the circumference of the basket uniform? Why is the size not standard.
A women's ball is lighter and smaller. I think it made a ton of difference in the women's game when it was introduced.
I don't know if it's easier to shoot which is more repetition and feel.
The women's basketball is used by boys until 7th grade around here. It is easier for small hands.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 08, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
MU82
Famous quote by Pat Riley (paraphrased): "If it was a shot to win a game, I'd take Michael Jordan. If it was a shot to save my life, I'd take Larry Bird."
Makes sense, because Jordan made a habit out of killing Pat Riley in the playoffs ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 08, 2023, 07:51:02 PM
Update- After reading about how the wrong size ball caused problems for Duke's Women's team (they had a NCAA men's bball for the first half of a game), I thought it would be interesting to see what size ball Ben played with in international play. I figured that he would have long since adjusted to the NCAA ball if there was, in fact, a difference from the international one. Maybe he still is adjusting, but my comments about his bobbling the ball need to be taken in context. Interesting read.
https://sportsaspire.com/official-basketball-size
If the larger mens ball were causing problems for the women and assuming Ben was playing with a FIBA ball I would think it would be easier for him to adjust to the smaller NCAA mens basketball. Again, I don't play so there may be other factors like using a little less force to bank shot a lighter ball that comes into play or the bounce of the ball is slightly different.
Ben is a good player, hope he gets a little more run.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 09, 2023, 08:23:31 AM
If the larger mens ball were causing problems for the women and assuming Ben was playing with a FIBA ball I would think it would be easier for him to adjust to the smaller NCAA mens basketball. Again, I don't play so there may be other factors like using a little less force to bank shot a lighter ball that comes into play or the bounce of the ball is slightly different.
Good question. Sultan pointed out that the women's ball is smaller
and lighter. Also, note that the link I posted included data regarding how high the ball bounces when dropped from x feet. While it seems logical that a smaller ball would be easier to handle, my suspicion is that any change, even one that seems very minor to us is
may be a big effin' deal for players. So, there are factors besides the size of the ball that need to be considered. I never was a player either, unless you count the awesome, absolutely stunningly beautiful air balls that I launched as a kid. It's very possible that Ben is still adjusting to the men's NCAA ball. If so, my criticism of his bobbling the ball needs to be understood in context.
The FIBA ball is the same size as an NBA and college ball, though there are some players who claim it feels smaller and lighter.
Regardless, Ben Gold has been with Marquette's program for about 6 months now, practicing every day with the NCAA ball. How many times has he even touched a FIBA basketball over that span?
Ben's a good athlete, and it seems unlikely to me that he's still not used to an NCAA basketball after catching, passing, shooting and dribbling it exclusively for all these months.
Some guys are just a little less sure-handed, and that seems especially true of bigs. IIRC, both Theo John and Ed Morrow had times where they struggled to secure the basketball, and both of them were very strong. Joey Hauser has offensive skills but sometimes he gets the bobbles. Hopefully, Ben will become more sure-handed as he gains more experience.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 09, 2023, 08:41:34 AM
Good question. Sultan pointed out that the women's ball is smaller and lighter. Also, note that the link I posted included data regarding how high the ball bounces when dropped from x feet. While it seems logical that a smaller ball would be easier to handle, my suspicion is that any change, even one that seems very minor to us is may be a big effin' deal for players. So, there are factors besides the size of the ball that need to be considered. I never was a player either, unless you count the awesome, absolutely stunningly beautiful air balls that I launched as a kid. It's very possible that Ben is still adjusting to the men's NCAA ball. If so, my criticism of his bobbling the ball needs to be understood in context.
I would guess as a shooter, the difference in size might be a real factor. Shooting is a finesse movement.... Where you release the ball, at what sped, spin, arc etc I would guess would all be affected by a different size ball. I never even thought about the international ball size before this was posted here, but I would guess it does make a difference. Maybe even in rebounding.
Quote from: MU82 on February 09, 2023, 09:40:56 AM
The FIBA ball is the same size as an NBA and college ball, though there are some players who claim it feels smaller and lighter.
Regardless, Ben Gold has been with Marquette's program for about 6 months now, practicing every day with the NCAA ball. How many times has he even touched a FIBA basketball over that span?
Ben's a good athlete, and it seems unlikely to me that he's still not used to an NCAA basketball after catching, passing, shooting and dribbling it exclusively for all these months.
Some guys are just a little less sure-handed, and that seems especially true of bigs. IIRC, both Theo John and Ed Morrow had times where they struggled to secure the basketball, and both of them were very strong. Joey Hauser has offensive skills but sometimes he gets the bobbles. Hopefully, Ben will become more sure-handed as he gains more experience.
The story I linked says 29.5 " circumference for the NCAA ball vs. 30.7" for FIBA.
To be clear, I'm not absolutely saying that Ben is still adjusting to the NCAA ball after all this time. I'm merely saying it's
possible. Your scenario has equal validity as a theory.
Why are the women playing with a smaller, lighter ball than the men? What is a woman? What is a man? Big issues here
If they made tennis racquet faces larger to make it easier to hit the tennis ball in a larger sweet spot, why not make the basketball smaller in relationship to the rim diameter to make it also easier to go through the hoop?
Quote from: tower912 on February 09, 2023, 06:31:08 AM
The women's basketball is used by boys until 7th grade around here. It is easier for small hands.
Anywon no which ball Suzanne Somers plays wit. Herd she has big hands, hey?
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 09, 2023, 09:53:48 AM
If they made tennis racquet faces larger to make it easier to hit the tennis ball in a larger sweet spot, why not make the basketball smaller in relationship to the rim diameter to make it also easier to go through the hoop?
Because that has ruined pro tennis.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 09, 2023, 09:45:55 AM
The story I linked says 29.5 " circumference for the NCAA ball vs. 30.7" for FIBA.
To be clear, I'm not absolutely saying that Ben is still adjusting to the NCAA ball after all this time. I'm merely saying it's possible. Your scenario has equal validity as a theory.
The link says 29.5 to 30 inches weigh 20 to 22 ounces. Is the size and weight determined by how much air it is inflated with, which to me would effect the bounce not just dribbling but off the rim and bank shots. Is the home team responsible for inflating the ball or do the officials do that?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 09, 2023, 03:42:57 PM
The link says 29.5 to 30 inches weigh 20 to 22 ounces. Is the size and weight determined by how much air it is inflated with, which to me would effect the bounce not just dribbling but off the rim and bank shots. Is the home team responsible for inflating the ball or do the officials do that?
I have the link open as I write this and
under the FIBA heading, it reads " The circumference is 30.7 inches, and the weight is between 567 and 650 gm." The FIBA ball size was my primary point.
You did not identify
which ball you were referencing but obviously it is the NCAA ball. As to your question as to who is responsible for inflating the ball- easy question! The New England Patriots of course.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 09, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
I have the link open as I write this and under the FIBA heading, it reads " The circumference is 30.7 inches, and the weight is between 567 and 650 gm." The FIBA ball size was my primary point.
You did not identify which ball you were referencing but obviously it is the NCAA ball. As to your question as to who is responsible for inflating the ball- easy question! The New England Patriots of course.
Wasn't it deflating?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 09, 2023, 04:36:39 PM
Wasn't it deflating?
You got a problem with that? If Ben drops the ball, it will not bounce so he can just pick it up. Works for me.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 09, 2023, 09:45:55 AM
The story I linked says 29.5 " circumference for the NCAA ball vs. 30.7" for FIBA.
To be clear, I'm not absolutely saying that Ben is still adjusting to the NCAA ball after all this time. I'm merely saying it's possible. Your scenario has equal validity as a theory hypothesis.
There, hypothesis vs theory.
Nice Ben Steele article about Ben:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/02/10/golden-eagles-mens-coach-shaka-smart-loves-ben-golds-talent/69888578007/
Quote from: warriorchick on February 10, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
Nice Ben Steele article about Ben:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/02/10/golden-eagles-mens-coach-shaka-smart-loves-ben-golds-talent/69888578007/
Not excellent?
I'd sit Omax and start Ben against Gtown. Omax has had like 7 stinkers in a row and Ben has earned it.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 11, 2023, 02:49:08 AM
I'd sit Omax and start Ben against Gtown. Omax has had like 7 stinkers in a row and Ben has earned it.
Don't think it's a good idea to change the starting lineup.
I'd also be extremely surprised if Coach Shaka thinks it's a good idea.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 11, 2023, 02:49:08 AM
I'd sit Omax and start Ben against Gtown. Omax has had like 7 stinkers in a row and Ben has earned it.
::)
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 11, 2023, 02:49:08 AM
I'd sit Omax and start Ben against Gtown. Omax has had like 7 stinkers in a row and Ben has earned it.
He's had two stinkers in a row. In the 5 other supposed stinkers here is Oso's average line:
12.4 point, 5.2 rebound, 3.4 assists, 1.6 steals 2.0 blocks, 1.4 turnovers, 81.8 FG%
I have been on the Kiwi-mobile since the beginning but let's not be silly
Everybody's talking about bagism, shagism, dragism, madism...All we are sayin, is give Ben a chance...over Jop. Pretty sure that's how the song goes.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 11, 2023, 07:52:26 AM
He's had two stinkers in a row. In the 5 other supposed stinkers here is Oso's average line:
12.4 point, 5.2 rebound, 3.4 assists, 1.6 steals 2.0 blocks, 1.4 turnovers, 81.8 FG%
I have been on the Kiwi-mobile since the beginning but let's not be silly
Love to see Ben on the floor but....as you said...This "start Ben" is simply a dumb idea.
I am with TAMU. Love Ben, but he is a work in progress.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 11, 2023, 07:52:26 AM
He's had two stinkers in a row. In the 5 other supposed stinkers here is Oso's average line:
12.4 point, 5.2 rebound, 3.4 assists, 1.6 steals 2.0 blocks, 1.4 turnovers, 81.8 FG%
I have been on the Kiwi-mobile since the beginning but let's not be silly
WF was talking about OMax, not Oso.
Either way, there is little chance that Shaka benches a starter for Ben Gold.
Scoop taking over the Hauser mindset. Lose one game on the road to a very good team and start writing letters about changing everything.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 11, 2023, 09:21:24 AM
Scoop taking over the Hauser mindset. Lose one game on the road to a very good team and start writing letters about changing everything.
Scoop is an action-oriented community. Ben has gone from a stone-handed project to All Big East player in Scoop's hearts and minds in 16 minutes of garbage time. Scoop knows balz.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 11, 2023, 09:35:19 AM
Scoop is an action-oriented community. Ben has gone from a stone-handed project to All Big East player in Scoop's hearts and minds in 16 minutes of garbage time. Scoop knows balz.
Not surprised the tall white guy is causing the season to implode again
Quote from: Goose on February 11, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
I am with TAMU. Love Ben, but he is a work in progress.
Yep. But when he is in and wide open on the pick and pop get him the damn ball! If he misses a couple in a row, and he's lost on D get him out. If he hits 1 or 2 and he's not lost on D give him 10-15 minutes. Easy peasy.
Scoop is manic: Win-we're onto the final 4, lose- let's pick the dud of the game.
Was Shaka taking to Ben about awareness? He wasn't ready for the pass from Kolek? That was the perfect time to take him out. Wasn't giving the team anything.
Give him another shot in the second half.
Or first half! Ben With the three!
Oh man he's going off again
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2023, 09:10:03 AM
WF was talking about OMax, not Oso.
Either way, there is little chance that Shaka benches a starter for Ben Gold.
So he was, my mistake! Even so, it's a silly idea. OMax is arguably our best defender and even with his recent offensive struggles, he demands a lot of defensive attention.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 11, 2023, 11:34:25 AM
Was Shaka taking to Ben about awareness? He wasn't ready for the pass from Kolek? That was the perfect time to take him out. Wasn't giving the team anything.
Give him another shot in the second half.
No - That wasn't directed at Ben. And that pass from Kolek was a bad pass - he rifled it to him and he was roughly 3 feet away and it was coming from an awkward angle. Ben played well again today. This team has 9 legitimate contributors.
Those who want to start Gold at this point, don't know Shaka ball, no sarcasm.
Gold needs to play more.
17 minutes today for the freshman back up center. I liked the jumbo package with him, Oso, and OMax. Patience
tower
I like the three bigger guys together. I think we will see more of that in the upcoming games.
It is clear Shaka was shuffling pieces and line ups today and seeing what fit. How often will MU play a team where the jumbo line up is a benefit? I can see it helping with rebounding.
Now, for funsies, picture the 3-2 zone with the jumbo package. Omax out top, Oso and Ben down low.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 11, 2023, 02:15:03 PM
No - That wasn't directed at Ben. And that pass from Kolek was a bad pass - he rifled it to him and he was roughly 3 feet away and it was coming from an awkward angle. Ben played well again today. This team has 9 legitimate contributors.
Oh I agree with you. I was just wondering.
Shaka managed Ben perfectly today. His first stint wasn't good. Shaka took him out. He went back to him late second half amd he played well. He then played him second half as well. Overall good game by Ben. Great seeing him develop. And love seeing him shoot.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 11, 2023, 02:15:03 PM
And that pass from Kolek was a bad pass - he rifled it to him and he was roughly 3 feet away and it was coming from an awkward angle. Ben played well again today. This team has 9 legitimate contributors.
You're right -- that was totally on Kolek. But the official scorer charged that turnover to Gold. He (Gold, not the scorer) was solid today, and saw just the right amount of PT. As you say, contributions from 9 guys.
Georgetown really blows, but I like the way our team bounced back strongly. I already can't wait for Wednesday!
Quote from: Goose on February 11, 2023, 03:27:15 PM
tower
I like the three bigger guys together. I think we will see more of that in the upcoming games.
Goose,
I think you may be right that Gold is our best NBA prospect. You can't teach size. I'm thinking about what he could potentially do in the next few years.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 09, 2023, 09:57:20 AM
Anywon no which ball Suzanne Somers plays wit. Herd she has big hands, hey?
"Who's Suzanne Somers?"......everyone under age 50. ;D
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2023, 04:29:59 PM
Goose,
I think you may be right that Gold is our best NBA prospect. You can't teach size. I'm thinking about what he could potentially do in the next few years.
You can teach size
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2023, 04:51:54 PM
You can teach size
How? I would be 6'6, 230 and totally unstoppable with my overall skill-set. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 11, 2023, 05:54:17 PM
How? I would be 6'6, 230 and totally unstoppable with my overall skill-set. :)
Positive reinforcement