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First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

Good post, Goose.  We haven't always agreed on topics here and there but you're a great fan and have had an excellent perspective since the Shaka hiring.

Today's loss, especially the complete domination, sucked.  But we shouldn't lose perspective about what was expected and what was achieved.

And yes, is there was any doubt in regards to what kind of talent and coaching is required to win at this level, it should be an eye-opener to our returning players and a reminder to Shaka.

I'm still all-in on what he's going to do for this program in the coming years. 

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

I share some of your optimism.

Win or lose it's just fun to watch Marquette play.

I think Shaka will get three more years to win an NCAA game.  If he hasn't done it by then, Marquette will move on.  I'm good with that timeline.

I sincerely hope that expectations from within the program are significantly higher than one NCAA win in 4 years.  You don't hire a guy like Shaka and pay him like they are for results like that.

Goose, I want to share your optimism. But I can't. Nothing in the past 8ish years has said any different than we will fail on the biggest stage.

I'm kinda done with MUBB for now. I shared the optimism with you at the start. I truly believed in a different result this year.

But there's something to be said about being embarrassed on a national stage. Tired of pretending to friends and family that it will somehow be not soul-crushingly bad. And it was somehow worse this year than Wojo years. I'm tapped out emotionally and financially from a Marquette basketball perspective. I genuinely have nothing

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

I'm really disappointed Goose.  It's not about losing, it's about how we lost games to close the season.  The tenacity and connectivity was just not there.  However, I agree that we will get back on track and increase our overall talent.  We will eventually turn the corner for sure.

Goose - you know I love your perspective and I am a big Shaka fan. As a slight more than average fan, the Feb fade and blowout NCAA loss has wiped out this year from a casual fan perspective. Just too familiar to Wojo. 

The issue - they looked worse at the end of the year than the start of the year. 

Need a serious upgrade at PG and some bigs.  Can Shaka do that in the off-season or are we looking at a similar season next year? 

Well said Goose. For me, it starts with an upgrade in talent. I am willing to be patient with Shaka. He came to MU late in last season's recruiting cycle. To me, the talent on this year's team, frankly, sucked. I have confidence that he will bring in the talent needed to be a major player in college hoops, going forward. If this season's result is the low water mark for MU, then we're goin' Uptown with Shaka, and not looking back, hey?

Point ...
Good points ( lol )

How much of this can we take as MU fans ?  Shaka should be ashamed of that performance.  It was a total disgrace.

It was WOJO 2.0 .  A 32 point loss ??
Worst in team history. Worst ever in a
8/9 game ?? 

His " lost in the fight " stuff is a joke.
They threw in the towel about 8 mins into the game.  And .. this follows an AWFUL game in the BET.  Really sad.

Jake and Others,

First, Jake, I do not know you, but I enjoyed your enthusiasm level a great deal this year. You are the type of fan that Shaka and the program has to win over. I have watched a lot of MU ball, like many on here, and I am extremely disappointed with how the season concluded. That said, I believe we have a potentially program changing HC. I challenge those that love the program to try to not compare Shaka with previous HC's. Past performance late in the season is not on Shaka, this year is and no free pass. But I am not going to throw Shaka under the bus because of past failures.

I will remember 95-63 for a long time and that is o Shaka. Losing to Stanford, South Carolina or Kansas is not on Shaka. He was hired to win and he needs better player to win at the level I want them to win it. Time will tell if my excitement over the hiring was right or not, but I think this season was one I will remember. I said months ago I believed this team will be remembered for turning the corner and we will see it that is correct or not.

Again, guys like Jake and others on here, I hope you shake today off and look to the future. For the record, I want MU to win big for me pleasure, but more for the younger scoopers that have not seen a great program. Trust me I am selfish and want it a lot for me and I hope others keep the faith because I am still on the bandwagon.

I can accept a lack of talent on this roster and the subsequent disappointing results in the last 1/3 of the season. I can hope that improves.

But is there no concern that shaka may have some short-comings? Is it possible or likely that the disappointment in the last 1/3 is some on the talent and some on the coach?

That was  a disgraceful loss.... More than embarasesing... I don't have words....

A first year cobbled together team played a team of 4th yr. players who know their system . The outcome was inevitable but not the blowout. I saw some quit out there today but also some promise as some of the younger players took up the challenge. Not enough horses today , Oso might be a contributor in his fourth season but right now he is a project

jesmu

A lot goes on Shaka and he needs to get better. He runs the program the buck stops with him. He needs better players and has to continue to improve as coach. I will remember 95-63 until the program gives us a meaningful March run. Again, my expectations go up a great deal beginning today.

The thing that hurts the most for me was that we were trending in the right direction and then just crapped the bed for the last 1/3 of the season. Hard to be optimistic after today's loss. I am still on board but today was a tough day to be an MU fan. Onward!

I can't understand how someone can be optimistic about the future after today's loss.  This wasn't merely about a less talented team being beat.  This was a disaster of epic proportions.   If this team showed heart, hustle, determination, fight, then you could be optimistic.  If this team played tough defense you could be optimistic.  This was the pinnacle of what they strived for all year and they were utterly incompetent, showed no heart, and  looked like a low level high school team.  There is nothing to be excited about.  I was a big Shaka fan but I just don't see it after today.   I'm afraid we're past the point where MU basketball can be saved.  It seems to be broken beyond fixing.  Frankly I can't find it in me to care much anymore.  It's continual mediocrity and disappointment.

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU

I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

Goose, I appreciate you comments. I have to say that I was very optimistic when Shaka was hired. The downside to that is at the time I thought Wojo was a good hire.

Like you, I don't know how I would get through a winter without Marquette Bball. Today's performance makes me want to change my allegiance , but I just can't. There have been many times when MU has broken my heart (going back to Rick Mount, the mf), but I just can't, I'm hooked. I love MU basketball, and I can't get over it.

Overall, I think Shaka did a fine job this year. All he had coming back was one starter, one role player, and one gangly kid who saw only spot minutes a year ago. To do what he did was  impressive, but the timing was suboptimal. Still, a positive season, but with a disappointing ending.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 17, 2022, 08:27:25 PM
I can't understand how someone can be optimistic about the future after today's loss.  This wasn't merely about a less talented team being beat.  This was a disaster of epic proportions.   If this team showed heart, hustle, determination, fight, then you could be optimistic.  If this team played tough defense you could be optimistic.  This was the pinnacle of what they strived for all year and they were utterly incompetent, showed no heart, and  looked like a low level high school team.  There is nothing to be excited about.  I was a big Shaka fan but I just don't see it after today.   I'm afraid we're past the point where MU basketball can be saved.  It seems to be broken beyond fixing.  Frankly I can't find it in me to care much anymore.  It's continual mediocrity and disappointment.

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I'm a diehard loyalist and I died hard today. I got caught up in work and by the time I got wind of the score, I didn't even turn the game on. To the say the least, I was aggravated.

Where there is some redemption is that this is a rebuilding year. Shaka started from Ground Zero with a team that had very few returning ballplayers. Our seniors were effectively one-and-dones and built out of another program. That we got to the NCAA was neat but, of course, we flunked the final exam.

Badly.

No doubt, Shaka knows what he has to do. I was amazed that any quality ballplayers took a chance on Shaka given he was in a new school with a new team and unknown pedigree. As people realize who and what he is AT MARQUETTE, we'll get there. I hope it's next year and I'm a happy Warrior at a regional. But I'm willing to stick with the guy.

Al's first year was awful. So was Crean's. Shaka's first year eclipsed them and, given that Buzz was playing with Crean's recruits and Hank Raymonds was playing with Al's guys, Shaka passed them all.

Out of the ashes of defeat comes the roots of victory. We'll get there!

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 08:47:51 PM
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Lol, call me a clown all you want but everything I said is right on.   You just don't want to see the truth.

They kept UNC under a 100.  I heard some folks hoping for that.

Hope today was Shaka wake-up call. We have so many holes that won't necessarily be filled by attrition or our marginally talented incumbents (i.e. Kolek and Oso) growing a year older. Recruiting class still a work in progress. Why we wasted valuable scholarship on guy like Gold, I'll never know

Quote from: Farley36 on March 17, 2022, 08:59:35 PM
Lol, call me a clown all you want but everything I said is right on.   You just don't want to see the truth.

youre mostly right but to say ur done caring after a tourney season is clownish. go ahead and be done. cya next yr

Quote from: Johnny B on March 17, 2022, 09:11:41 PM
youre mostly right but to say ur done caring after a tourney season is clownish. go ahead and be done. cya next yr

More like after a decade of mediocrity or worse.  Go ahead though and forget that their last really good season was 10 years ago.   Also just ignore that these issues seem to run all the way to the top of the program, beyond even the coach.  Yeah, it's just one tourney loss though.  Who's clownish?

i aknowledged all that tho but to give up on the program sucks. go if u want

We need ten years at least to judge. By then the University name will have changed due to offending bird lovers and people really will not know who we are.

Today was an embarrassment. We were awful and uncompetitive. Shaka raised pur expectations but failed as the season went on. Shaka put together the roster. Its all on him. He needs to recruit better talent to compete in the BE. Most of the kids on the roster are not BE material.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 17, 2022, 08:59:35 PM
Lol, call me a clown all you want but everything I said is right on.   You just don't want to see the truth.

Nah, you're a clown.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2022, 10:40:00 PM
Nah, you're a clown.

The only thing I've seen you do all night is call people names.  You should feel proud that you're such a mature, reasoned individual who doesn't overreact to things.

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

You have been incredibly optimistic about the new regime from the beginning. I didn't quite share your level of optimism, but I respect your opinions so you gave me hope. I must say I haven't posted here much partly because I lost some enthusiasm for the program and partly because of some of the know-it-all idiots that post here.

I do believe the future is bright, but I also believe there shouldn't be much more grace period. The goals should be conference championships and advancing deep in the tournament.  I am disappointed with the result yesterday, but there have been enough positives during the year to make me believe we are on the right path. It is clear from yesterday and over the last few weeks that this team doesn't have the personnel right now to get where they want to go. That actually gives me hope because there are some young players that will only get better. Even though the team didn't quite have the players to get it done, Shaka still coached them to a tournament bid and some success against high quality teams. I am hoping this is the low water mark for the Shaka era. Have to bring in some quality players that fit the Shaka system.

hairy

The grace period ended the day Shaka was hired for me. This year was better than expectations which is great, but MU did not hire Shaka to beat low expectations. It is time to win and win meaningful games. IMO Shaka gave the young guys a lot of minutes over the past month or so and that was a luxury of having a bid locked up. I thought it hurt this season and sure as hell hopes it improves next season. Since the second UConn game I felt the urgency was not there and the young guys were getting minutes and not completely ready for it. If we sacrificed a good run for the futire I can accept that. Bottom line, better players are needed and playing with urgency with marginal guys only goes so far.

Hairy please check PM

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

Agree with most of this, Goose.  However, the honeymoon period is over and the heat must be brought to Shakas ass. All we saw after the high points of the season was poor play and regression over last month or so of season. Good teams and good coaches have their teams improving as the season progress, Shaka did not. And the finale was a 30 point boat racing of MU at the hands of NC. Tired already with the excuses of we had a bad game or we have a young team or give the team a few years. After that fiasco, Shaka needs to upgrade the recruiting considerably. And right now. Some of those players need to be replaced--now. And no more excuses. This once great program is a pitiful shadow of that.

Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2022, 08:22:09 AM
Agree with most of this, Goose.  However, the honeymoon period is over and the heat must be brought to Shakas ass. All we saw after the high points of the season was poor play and regression over last month or so of season. Good teams and good coaches have their teams improving as the season progress, Shaka did not. And the finale was a 30 point boat racing of MU at the hands of NC. Tired already with the excuses of we had a bad game or we have a young team or give the team a few years. After that fiasco, Shaka needs to upgrade the recruiting considerably. And right now. Some of those players need to be replaced--now. And no more excuses. This once great program is a pitiful shadow of that.

Goose made a good point about playing younger guys that weren't ready. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe it was a mistake for this year, but will help in the long run.

Marquette's loss yesterday was not only bad, it was historically bad, as in the worst 8/9 loss ever in the history of the NCAA Tourney bad.

So of course there will be a few days of some people venting.

Add to that Marquette has had a few clunkers over the years in the NCAA Tourney.

Add to that neither Marquette, nor Shaka has won an NCAA Tourney game since 2013. (That's the year Louisville won it before it was vacated)

Add to that the pattern of the previous coach having teams that played much better earlier vs later in the season, which seemed to also be the case this season.

So there will be some frustration and apathy, mostly apathy for a while for some.

As for the coach, nothing changes with regard to getting a fair chance. The later later season collapse and historical NCAA loss take away some of the luster of the accomplishment of making the tournament.

We've seen it before, sometimes it takes a few years for a coach to get to the NCAA Tourney. Others make it year one then don't a year or two, all kinds of variations. We'll see how it goes. He'll get a fair chance from many to most in the next few years.

I agree, that in this era there's Not a grace period, nor should there be

Look at what happened at Iowa St and AZ.   Shaka is getting paid a ton of $$ and he needs to win.  More importantly, he needs to win in the NCAAT.

Clearly the roster he assembled for this year had major holes. He needs more BE talent, and he needs it fast.

I keep reminding myself that this was a flawed roster from day one that Shaka had to put together in a hurry after he was hired. Other than Lewis and Morsell, there was not a player on the team that could have played any significant minutes for another BE contender. The roster deficiencies limited what Shaka could really do. I thought their winning streak and brief appearance in the top-25 was pretty remarkable given the talent on the team. But, at least the team kept us engaged for the full season without any negative drama. And, Kam Jones, Mitchell, Joplin, Omax, and Oso give Shaka a core going into next season. Now we have to hope he can get what he needs on the transfer portal and that the freshmen can contribute quickly.

Quote from: rgoode57 on March 18, 2022, 08:42:30 AM
I keep reminding myself that this was a flawed roster from day one that Shaka had to put together in a hurry after he was hired. Other than Lewis and Morsell, there was not a player on the team that could have played any significant minutes for another BE contender. The roster deficiencies limited what Shaka could really do. I thought their winning streak and brief appearance in the top-25 was pretty remarkable given the talent on the team. But, at least the team kept us engaged for the full season without any negative drama. And, Kam Jones, Mitchell, Joplin, Omax, and Oso give Shaka a core going into next season. Now we have to hope he can get what he needs on the transfer portal and that the freshmen can contribute quickly.

In today's environment Shaka's greatest challenge is to hold onto the players he has. I can see Jlew going pro or if that does not work out going to the portal. If all those guys, except Omax, decided to transfer Shaka would be back to square one. I'm not saying it will happen but it can happen. If one or two of our guys has a standout season we'll all wonder if their going to stick around. How does one win with all the uncertainty of keeping a stable roster.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 18, 2022, 09:04:04 AM
In today's environment Shaka's greatest challenge is to hold onto the players he has. I can see Jlew going pro or if that does not work out going to the portal. If all those guys, except Omax, decided to transfer Shaka would be back to square one. I'm not saying it will happen but it can happen. If one or two of our guys has a standout season we'll all wonder if their going to stick around. How does one win with all the uncertainty of keeping a stable roster.

I think that's part of the reason why Shaka was hired. The belief is that he is a kind of coach that will be able to keep our roster from being devastated by transfers every year. We will see if it actually pans out.

My guess is that Shaka targets a few freshmen transfers (ala Kolek and OMax) to lock in some more players who will be less likely to transfer due to already using their free transfer.

I have to admit that at MSG, I was almost dreading our game against Creighton. Yesterday, I had a sense of doom before the tip off. Unlike the loud, delusional Providence fan behind me at MSG that screamed "Let's GO! Very manageable!" when Providence was down 29 points vs. Creighton with about 8 minutes to go, it was obvious to me early on that we were going down hard to UNC. The botched ending to the Creighton game in Milwaukee, the Depaul and Butler road games all wreaked havoc on my confidence in the team and Shaka.

My confidence in Shaka has taken quite a hit but it is not entirely gone. I rationalized the comparisons by critics between the similarities between his and Wojo's records, thinking that he was under pressure at Texas to go for highly rated recruits at the possible expense of building a team to fit his desired system. His critics may have been right all along, but I hope not.

Staying with the theme of rationalization, I cannot write off the decline of the team from our high water mark. For all the talk about Shaka's personal qualities, charisma, leadership, system etc., the decline, capped by yesterday's nuclear meltdown, screams failure and that failure falls on Shaka first and the team second. Shaka had about a month and a half to right the ship. Let's stop the "all the other coaches have figured out how to beat Marquette" excuse.  While there is some truth to that it hardly accounts for the entire decline.

It was not that long ago that I thought Shaka would have an easy time getting transfers to meet his needs. Now I am not so sure.

I am going to end here with stating that I have been a Marquette fan for over a half century (class of '70) and will always be one. That includes supporting our coach and team no matter what. We are Marquette. I am Marquette. 

TAMU

We need to get the right transfers that will be here a couple of years. The bad part of the equation is you have to a high batting average because you are stuck with the guys if they do not pan out. I like the two long term transfers Shaka brought in this year. That said, recruit over Kolek all day long and make him a role player down the road.

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:48:06 PM
Jake and Others,

First, Jake, I do not know you, but I enjoyed your enthusiasm level a great deal this year. You are the type of fan that Shaka and the program has to win over. I have watched a lot of MU ball, like many on here, and I am extremely disappointed with how the season concluded. That said, I believe we have a potentially program changing HC. I challenge those that love the program to try to not compare Shaka with previous HC's. Past performance late in the season is not on Shaka, this year is and no free pass. But I am not going to throw Shaka under the bus because of past failures.

I will remember 95-63 for a long time and that is o Shaka. Losing to Stanford, South Carolina or Kansas is not on Shaka. He was hired to win and he needs better player to win at the level I want them to win it. Time will tell if my excitement over the hiring was right or not, but I think this season was one I will remember. I said months ago I believed this team will be remembered for turning the corner and we will see it that is correct or not.

Again, guys like Jake and others on here, I hope you shake today off and look to the future. For the record, I want MU to win big for me pleasure, but more for the younger scoopers that have not seen a great program. Trust me I am selfish and want it a lot for me and I hope others keep the faith because I am still on the bandwagon.

The great part about getting better players is it starts now.   We won't have to wait til next year to see if Shaka can improve the team.  We'll either see the better players in the transfer portal join the team in the next couple months or we won't.  We'll either see 2023 stud recruits verbal this summer or we won't.  This will be a telling off-season for the fan base.

Player development will help but I am really looking forward to seeing what Shaka can do with player acquisition.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2022, 09:52:08 AM
I think that's part of the reason why Shaka was hired. The belief is that he is a kind of coach that will be able to keep our roster from being devastated by transfers every year. We will see if it actually pans out.

My guess is that Shaka targets a few freshmen transfers (ala Kolek and OMax) to lock in some more players who will be less likely to transfer due to already using their free transfer.

We need an old big.  A banger.  Not a project like Gold.  We need a dude that is tough and can rebound.  Especially if just Justin bolts.  This team was Charmin soft other than Darryl and Justin.   

Quote from: Farley36 on March 17, 2022, 10:44:21 PM
The only thing I've seen you do all night is call people names.  You should feel proud that you're such a mature, reasoned individual who doesn't overreact to things.

Why are you still posting then if you say you're done and don't care?

Adios.

Quote from: Goose on March 17, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
First, I want to say that I am disappointed and exhausted with how the season ended. I, like many fans, enjoyed the highs of the season and suffered the low points over the past month. I want to thank Shaka and this team for pumping energy into my fandom and it made my winter. When I was kid I my Dad always said MU basketball was his winter therapy and for the first time as an adult I felt the same. I looked forward to every game and I still believe this is was the start of rebuilding the program that I want to see at MU.

That said, I jumped on the Shaka train from day one and I stated a year ago that he gets zero pass or a five year to judge his program. I feel more strongly on both fronts today. Shaka and the team surprised, and disappointed, everyone this season and I applaud that. Starting today the 95-63 loss has to become the turning point of the program and not the defining moment of this season. It is 100% on Shaka to get better players, be a better coach and win in March.

My bar for Shaka and the program rises a great deal today. There is no rebuilding grace periods in college basketball anymore, especially for highly paid, experienced head coach. It is time to move forward and get better and a lot better. I will remember this drubbing for a long time and Shaka better remember far harder than an over zealous middle aged guy in Elm Grove, Wi..

Lastly, my biggest disappointment is that I am afraid the cynical or casual fan is back to the starting gate for the Shaka era. A ton of excitement goodwill has been lost by a faction of the fan base. I might be proven 100% wrong down the road, but I believe this year was a start of something. I still believe this will be the poorest talent level team we will see and my expectations are high moving forward. While I am beyond disappointed at the moment, I believe the program is in great hands.

Good post from a huge fan whose perspective I always enjoy reading.  I know you are a big Shaka backer (and I like him too), so I am curious if yesterday raised any red flags for you.  You had mentioned you would be shocked if the team didn't play at a high level in that game and were confident Shaka would have them ready.  Obviously, we all saw what happened.  As you and many others have said, it's clear he needs to work the transfer portal and secure a major upgrade in talent.  But even knowing the personnel currently on this team, you expected Shaka to have them turn up the intensity and be playing at a high level yesterday.   What does it say that he didn't?   You're a very knowledgeable poster and I value your opinion, so I am genuinely interested in your viewpoint.  I share some of your optimism, but this point is of concern. 

Quote from: rgoode57 on March 18, 2022, 08:42:30 AM
I keep reminding myself that this was a flawed roster from day one that Shaka had to put together in a hurry after he was hired. Other than Lewis and Morsell, there was not a player on the team that could have played any significant minutes for another BE contender. The roster deficiencies limited what Shaka could really do. I thought their winning streak and brief appearance in the top-25 was pretty remarkable given the talent on the team. But, at least the team kept us engaged for the full season without any negative drama. And, Kam Jones, Mitchell, Joplin, Omax, and Oso give Shaka a core going into next season. Now we have to hope he can get what he needs on the transfer portal and that the freshmen can contribute quickly.

This is all true.  It's just a complete lack of talent on the roster, simple as that.  Serious question...if you had 'captains' drafting a team for a pick-up game with a combo of the MU and UNC rosters, how many picks until a MU player is chosen?  Love, Bacot, Davis, that tall white dude that looks like one of my ancestors.  Maybe you take Lewis/Morsell next?  My point is that you could argue the four best players on the court yesterday were wearing white, and you saw the results.

Quote from: Spirit Of James on March 18, 2022, 10:44:00 AM
This is all true.  It's just a complete lack of talent on the roster, simple as that.  Serious question...if you had 'captains' drafting a team for a pick-up game with a combo of the MU and UNC rosters, how many picks until a MU player is chosen?  Love, Bacot, Davis, that tall white dude that looks like one of my ancestors.  Maybe you take Lewis/Morsell next?  My point is that you could argue the four best players on the court yesterday were wearing white, and you saw the results.

North Carolina is still a blueblood.  Bluebloods select, all other teams recruit.

Never understood those that feel like they need to make some grand declaration that they're leaving/ending their fandom. That's a pretty obvious sign that you're 100% going to come back.

I am pleased with the direction of the program under Shaka.

At the outset of the season,I thought  we would make the NCAA tournament and be in the upper tier of The Big East . We accomplished that . Shaka got to work right away bringing in transfers and keeping the recruits .

We signed a couple nice prospects for 2022 and have a lot of irons in the fire for 2023.

I expect we will hit on some solid players in the transfer portal.

Next season we will field an even better squad .

Yesterdays game was a disappointment . However ,my disappointment was not in Shaka. The team was getting very good looks early on but missing the shots . MU never settled in and shot poorly despite having many good looks . Our players were not up to the moment and UNCs players were.

To my way of thinking, yesterday was similar to when Buzz 2011-12 squad crapped the bed against Florida in the S 16 that year . The next year we came back and made Elite 8

Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2022, 11:57:28 AM
I am pleased with the direction of the program under Shaka.

At the outset of the season,I thought  we would make the NCAA tournament and be in the upper tier of The Big East . We accomplished that . Shaka got to work right away bringing in transfers and keeping the recruits .

We signed a couple nice prospects for 2022 and have a lot of irons in the fire for 2023.

I expect we will hit on some solid players in the transfer portal.

Next season we will field an even better squad .

Yesterdays game was a disappointment . However ,my disappointment was not in Shaka. The team was getting very good looks early on but missing the shots . MU never settled in and shot poorly despite having many good looks . Our players were not up to the moment and UNCs players were.

To my way of thinking, yesterday was similar to when Buzz 2011-12 squad crapped the bed against Florida in the S 16 that year . The next year we came back and made Elite 8

I agree with this analysis.

Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2022, 11:57:28 AM
I am pleased with the direction of the program under Shaka.

At the outset of the season,I thought  we would make the NCAA tournament and be in the upper tier of The Big East . We accomplished that . Shaka got to work right away bringing in transfers and keeping the recruits .

We signed a couple nice prospects for 2022 and have a lot of irons in the fire for 2023.

I expect we will hit on some solid players in the transfer portal.

Next season we will field an even better squad .

Yesterdays game was a disappointment . However ,my disappointment was not in Shaka. The team was getting very good looks early on but missing the shots . MU never settled in and shot poorly despite having many good looks . Our players were not up to the moment and UNCs players were.

To my way of thinking, yesterday was similar to when Buzz 2011-12 squad crapped the bed against Florida in the S 16 that year . The next year we came back and made Elite 8

You're comparing yesterday's humiliating loss to losing in the S16?   😂😂😂😂😂

Herman

I agree on the missing of open shots. I told my son that we were not going to these type of looks all day and they needed to drain them early. They come out tight and that was the ball game.

Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2022, 12:27:05 PM
Herman

I agree on the missing of open shots. I told my son that we were not going to these type of looks all day and they needed to drain them early. They come out tight and that was the ball game.

So this team is so fragile that missing some early shots spiraled into the worst loss ever between an 8 and 9?

Quote from: hairy worthen on March 18, 2022, 08:00:37 AM
You have been incredibly optimistic about the new regime from the beginning. I didn't quite share your level of optimism, but I respect your opinions so you gave me hope. I must say I haven't posted here much partly because I lost some enthusiasm for the program and partly because of some of the know-it-all idiots that post here.

I do believe the future is bright, but I also believe there shouldn't be much more grace period. The goals should be conference championships and advancing deep in the tournament.  I am disappointed with the result yesterday, but there have been enough positives during the year to make me believe we are on the right path. It is clear from yesterday and over the last few weeks that this team doesn't have the personnel right now to get where they want to go. That actually gives me hope because there are some young players that will only get better. Even though the team didn't quite have the players to get it done, Shaka still coached them to a tournament bid and some success against high quality teams. I am hoping this is the low water mark for the Shaka era. Have to bring in some quality players that fit the Shaka system.

No Hairy, the grace period/honeymoon/getting his feet wet/need time to develop the players/etc. is over after that boat race MU was chewed up in. Results and talented studs must start now!

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
So this team is so fragile that missing some early shots spiraled into the worst loss ever between an 8 and 9?

You should probably just stop being an MU fan.  Terminate your Scoop membership.  Change your allegiance to the Wisconsin Badgers.  The Badgers will be fantastic next year without Johnny Davis.

It's Year fugging 1 under Shaka.  What happened under Wojo or the past 10 years since we last won an NCAA tournament game is irrelevant.  If by Year 4 or 5 of Shaka we haven't won a game in the NCAA MU likelyl explores moving on.  But the way you've been posting, its as if Shaka's been here 5 years and we just got blown out for the second time in 5 years in the first round of the NCAA.

I agree, Ners. There are a lot of grievances from the prior regime being (unfairly) put on this one.

God help this place if they take a step back next season.

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2022, 01:29:26 PM
I agree, Ners. There are a lot of grievances from the prior regime being (unfairly) put on this one.

God help this place if they take a step back next season.

Totally agree.  To the bolded - It's all going to depend on how the transfer portal recruiting plays out.  As it stands I think it is possible we take a step back next year if Justin leaves.  If he stays we will be at least as good as we were this year assuming all the rest of the roster returns.  Morsell will be a loss, but the improvement of the rest of the roster should offset that loss.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 18, 2022, 01:27:07 PM
You should probably just stop being an MU fan.  Terminate your Scoop membership.  Change your allegiance to the Wisconsin Badgers.  The Badgers will be fantastic next year without Johnny Davis.

It's Year fugging 1 under Shaka.  What happened under Wojo or the past 10 years since we last won an NCAA tournament game is irrelevant.  If by Year 4 or 5 of Shaka we haven't won a game in the NCAA MU likelyl explores moving on.  But the way you've been posting, its as if Shaka's been here 5 years and we just got blown out for the second time in 5 years in the first round of the NCAA.

If in 5 years things are the same it will be 15 years since Marquette has been relevant.  Sure, let's wait it out.   Then we can get a new coach and the 15 years prior won't count so we can start the 5 year clock again. 

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:40:09 PM
If in 5 years things are the same it will be 15 years since Marquette has been relevant.  Sure, let's wait it out.   Then we can get a new coach and the 15 years prior won't count so we can start the 5 year clock again.

We have to reach out to John Calipari

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2022, 01:29:26 PM
I agree, Ners. There are a lot of grievances from the prior regime being (unfairly) put on this one.

God help this place if they take a step back next season.

Welcome to being a fan of a team that used to be good but hasn't been in a decade.  This is what happens.  Some of you are ok just waiting it out forever and hoping it will be our year in 2 or 3 years.   Others aren't so complacent. 

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
Welcome to being a fan of a team that used to be good but hasn't been in a decade.  This is what happens.  Some of you are ok just waiting it out forever and hoping it will be our year in 2 or 3 years.   Others aren't so complacent.

I'm not great with waiting forever. Yesterday sucked.

But taking a decade of frustration out on a first year coach, with a new roster that exceeded expectations, is a bad look.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2022, 01:41:53 PM
We have to reach out to John Calipari

Why?  I've heard Shaka has us moving in the right direction.  Why suddenly do we have to wait for 5 years before we can judge his success or failure?   It's good though that you're happy with the state of Marquette basketball.  So many meaningful games and so many great performances over the past decade.  Dhaka's year 1 has fit in perfectly with what we've enjoyed the last 10 years.

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
I'm not great with waiting forever. Yesterday sucked.

But taking a decade of frustration out on a first year coach, with a new roster that exceeded expectations, is a bad look.

You really dialed up the excuse machine for this one.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:45:59 PM
Why?  I've heard Shaka has us moving in the right direction.  Why suddenly do we have to wait for 5 years before we can judge his success or failure?   It's good though that you're happy with the state of Marquette basketball.  So many meaningful games and so many great performances over the past decade.  Dhaka's year 1 has fit in perfectly with what we've enjoyed the last 10 years.

Cool story, bro. 

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:47:18 PM
You really dialed up the excuse machine for this one.

The unnatural carnal knowledge you talking about?

Could someone explain the current player transfer rules? Will it be open like last year or back to to old "sit out a year" rules? Thanks

Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 18, 2022, 01:51:57 PM
Could someone explain the current player transfer rules? Will it be open like last year or back to to old "sit out a year" rules? Thanks

If you haven't transferred, you don't have to sit out a year

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
Welcome to being a fan of a team that used to be good but hasn't been in a decade.  This is what happens.  Some of you are ok just waiting it out forever and hoping it will be our year in 2 or 3 years.   Others aren't so complacent.

Didn't you say you'd stop caring last night? I assumed that extended to posting on scoop as well.

If they take a step back next year, then we may have hired the wrong coach.

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2022, 01:29:26 PM
I agree, Ners. There are a lot of grievances from the prior regime being (unfairly) put on this one.

God help this place if they take a step back next season.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
Welcome to being a fan of a team that used to be good but hasn't been in a decade.  This is what happens.  Some of you are ok just waiting it out forever and hoping it will be our year in 2 or 3 years.   Others aren't so complacent.

the thing is what do u want to see happen. what can we do. we fired wojo and its year one of shaka. what do u want them to do

Along with more talent, Shaka can take his coaching game up a notch next year.

He won some great games in the first half of the season when we could sneak up on teams.  Big Kudos to coach.  Spelling Villanova with two L's is not often done by anyone.

He blew it twice with Creighton....just learn and evolve from that as well.  I'll also say something was off later in the season with chemistry and cohesion. I wonder if Shaka has some learning there too. Especially later in the season when the wheels started to fall off. 

That was quite the @$$ whooping yesterday.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2022, 02:02:44 PM
Didn't you say you'd stop caring last night? I assumed that extended to posting on scoop as well.

Bad assumption.   I don't care enough about the team next year to watch any of their games.   I do care enough about all of you on Scoop though to try and stop you from accepting the garbage this program has been turning out.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 02:08:11 PM
Bad assumption.   I don't care enough about the team next year to watch any of their games.   I do care enough about all of you on Scoop though to try and stop you from accepting the garbage this program has been turning out.

Lol

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 01:40:09 PM
If in 5 years things are the same it will be 15 years since Marquette has been relevant.  Sure, let's wait it out.   Then we can get a new coach and the 15 years prior won't count so we can start the 5 year clock again.

Surely you must agree that we can't fire a coach every year until we find the right one. How long do you think a new coach should be given before firing him?

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 02:08:11 PM
Bad assumption.   I don't care enough about the team next year to watch any of their games.   I do care enough about all of you on Scoop though to try and stop you from accepting the garbage this program has been turning out.

Super awkward since this is your post history as recent as this year.

Quote from: Farley36
The fun is back.  Thank you Shaka!

And

Quote from: Farley36

I wouldn't trade anyone on this current team for any of the players who let.  The sum seems greater than the parts right now.   Building a real team that exceeds the talent of the individuals is hard to come by and wouldn't want to substitute anyone.   Additionally, despite their talents, none of those players who left seemed to play below their talent level rather than at or above it.  That probably was mostly Wojo but I'm not heartbroken they are gone.

So which one is it? Can't have it both ways

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2022, 02:15:53 PM
Surely you must agree that we can't fire a coach every year until we find the right one. How long do you think a new coach should be given before firing him?

I'm not saying he should be fired.  I'm also not like most here who want to dismiss all the very bad signs the last month+ and excuse them because he's new, expectations were low, etc.   Things are not trending up despite what most on this board want to think.  It's amazing to me that despite all the warning signs and one of the most embarrassing losses in tourney history, the time here seems to be excuse making instead of concern for the future of this program. 

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 18, 2022, 02:15:53 PM
Surely you must agree that we can't fire a coach every year until we find the right one. How long do you think a new coach should be given before firing him?

Don't feed a troll.

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2022, 02:20:40 PM
Super awkward since this is your post history as recent as this year.

And

So which one is it? Can't have it both ways

Absolutely can have it both ways.  That's the problem with most on this board.  They refuse to adjust when problems start to appear.  That's why we were stuck with Wojo for 3 years too long.   Nothing that made me post those earlier in the year has been present for the past month.  What appeared to be trending in the right direction has taking three steps back.  Effort, attitude, hustle, all gone. 

The future of the program starts with this off-season, not with what happened yesterday.

Recruiting, player development, the coaching staff learning from what went wrong this year all are far more important.

Two consecutive texts I sent to my family yesterday:

10:52 AM
"To my beloved family: I am watching the Marquette game on delay today. Please, please, PLEASE don't text me anything that could even remotely be considered a spoiler. Or call. Or email. Or carrier pigeon. Or smoke signals. That is all. Thank you in advance."

8:03 PM
"Well, that sucked. Maybe someone could have warned me?!"

Quote from: real chili 83 on March 18, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Along with more talent, Shaka can take his coaching game up a notch next year.

He won some great games in the first half of the season when we could sneak up on teams.  Big Kudos to coach.  Spelling Villanova with two L's is not often done by anyone.

He blew it twice with Creighton....just learn and evolve from that as well.  I'll also say something was off later in the season with chemistry and cohesion. I wonder if Shaka has some learning there too. Especially later in the season when the wheels started to fall off. 

That was quite the @$$ whooping yesterday.

Serious question - would you expect the mistakes made by shaka on or off the court this season to be made by a coach  10+ years into his head coaching career at high major D1?

Are we seeing fixable issues? Or is this just who he is?

Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 18, 2022, 10:54:25 AM
North Carolina is still a blueblood.  Bluebloods select, all other teams recruit.

we once selected too. Damn

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 18, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
Serious question - would you expect the mistakes made by shaka on or off the court this season to be made by a coach  10+ years into his head coaching career at high major D1?

Are we seeing fixable issues? Or is this just who he is?

I'll chime in here.  Shaka substantially exceeded Year 1 expectations, despite the "mistakes."  Speaking of which, what mistakes are you referring to off the court?

He's made a Final Four.  Won a Big 12 Championship.  A few hearbreakers in Round 1 of the NCAA.  Yesterday was an outlier.  No need to make it a bigger deal than what it needs to be.

Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 18, 2022, 03:55:02 PM
Two consecutive texts I sent to my family yesterday:

10:52 AM
"To my beloved family: I am watching the Marquette game on delay today. Please, please, PLEASE don't text me anything that could even remotely be considered a spoiler. Or call. Or email. Or carrier pigeon. Or smoke signals. That is all. Thank you in advance."

8:03 PM
"Well, that sucked. Maybe someone could have warned me?!"

Now this made me
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Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 18, 2022, 04:39:22 PM
I'll chime in here.  Shaka substantially exceeded Year 1 expectations, despite the "mistakes."  Speaking of which, what mistakes are you referring to off the court?

He's made a Final Four.  Won a Big 12 Championship.  A few hearbreakers in Round 1 of the NCAA.  Yesterday was an outlier.  No need to make it a bigger deal than what it needs to be.

Not jesmu, but I can hazard to guess ... the roster construction could have been better. If you want to build an offensive scheme around "threes and dunks" - which is completely reasonable - then you ought to go out and get yourself some shooters. Shaka didn't. His roster had no one in the rotation who made above 40% from three and only two - brought in by the previous staff - who shot over 35%.
The players brought in by Shaka converted 34.7% (Morsell), 31.7% (Prosper), 28.8% (Joplin) and 28.1% (Kolek), respectively. Kur took zero threes, and Ellis took only nine in very limited minutes.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 18, 2022, 04:39:22 PM
I'll chime in here.  Shaka substantially exceeded Year 1 expectations, despite the "mistakes."  Speaking of which, what mistakes are you referring to off the court?

He's made a Final Four.  Won a Big 12 Championship.  A few hearbreakers in Round 1 of the NCAA.  Yesterday was an outlier.  No need to make it a bigger deal than what it needs to be.

Yes, he exceeded preseason expectations that most here had.

Even still, were his mistakes a coach with 10+ years of experience should be making?

"Off the court" - RC mentioned possible issues with chemistry and cohesion. I would categorize that as a problem off the court, rather than an on the court X/O thing

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 18, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
Yes, he exceeded preseason expectations that most here had.

Even still, were his mistakes a coach with 10+ years of experience should be making?

"Off the court" - RC mentioned possible issues with chemistry and cohesion. I would categorize that as a problem off the court, rather than an on the court X/O thing

The "mistakes" Shaka made are simply having a patchwork roster that had holes in it.  This was done out of necessity and quickly.  Let's see how the roster looks next year and future years.  Overall he did a really good job getting this team to the tournament.  The problem was playing a tournament level team with no rebounding and a point guard who can't shoot from distance or in the midrange.  Hell,  he couldn't even hit a layup with regularity. 

Upgrade those positions with development and player acquisition and he should be fine.  Shaka needs to do some heavy lifting this off season.

My biggest concern with Shaka is the inability to land any notable recruits this year.  No 4-stars for this upcoming season.  While the transfer portal has become an element of team building I'd rather that it be a supplement rather than the key focus.  Let's get guys that will be here for a while rather than one year fill-ins.

Quote from: real chili 83 on March 18, 2022, 02:07:54 PM
Along with more talent, Shaka can take his coaching game up a notch next year.

He won some great games in the first half of the season when we could sneak up on teams.  Big Kudos to coach.  Spelling Villanova with two L's is not often done by anyone.

He blew it twice with Creighton....just learn and evolve from that as well.  I'll also say something was off later in the season with chemistry and cohesion. I wonder if Shaka has some learning there too. Especially later in the season when the wheels started to fall off. 

That was quite the @$$ whooping yesterday.

Some have been pushing the narrative that once the other coaches got a second look at us, our team started to unravel. We were 5-4 the second time through.

Super ...

Good question:  Why does it seem no one is concerned about his lack of recruiting?   Let's say he gets a pass for last year ... he's not landed even one
4 star recruit.  No one can honestly think any of the 3 freshmen will make much of a difference next year.

If Lewis leaves, the roster next year will
( as it stands )be worse than this year.

Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Super ...

Good question:  Why does it seem no one is concerned about his lack of recruiting?   Let's say he gets a pass for last year ... he's not landed even one
4 star recruit.  No one can honestly think any of the 3 freshmen will make much of a difference next year.

If Lewis leaves, the roster next year will
( as it stands )be worse than this year.

Because recruiting isn't done yet and will include the transfer market.

We all overrate freshmen here anyway.

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 18, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
Serious question - would you expect the mistakes made by shaka on or off the court this season to be made by a coach  10+ years into his head coaching career at high major D1?

Are we seeing fixable issues? Or is this just who he is?

I would not expect it from that experienced coach including big time programs and conferences and dance experience
As far as fixable, don't know. He has to fix himself from whom he is. Needs some big time heat under his ass. Can MU provide that? Doubt it.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 18, 2022, 04:39:22 PM
I'll chime in here.  Shaka substantially exceeded Year 1 expectations, despite the "mistakes."  Speaking of which, what mistakes are you referring to off the court?

He's made a Final Four.  Won a Big 12 Championship.  A few hearbreakers in Round 1 of the NCAA.  Yesterday was an outlier.  No need to make it a bigger deal than what it needs to be.

What evidence of an outlier. Look at his last job. Got his ass kicked by a marginal team in NCAA tourney.

Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Super ...

Good question:  Why does it seem no one is concerned about his lack of recruiting?   Let's say he gets a pass for last year ... he's not landed even one
4 star recruit.  No one can honestly think any of the 3 freshmen will make much of a difference next year.

If Lewis leaves, the roster next year will
( as it stands )be worse than this year.

Hey we are told that we have a solid class coming in. But no studs.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2022, 02:22:45 PM
I'm not saying he should be fired.  I'm also not like most here who want to dismiss all the very bad signs the last month+ and excuse them because he's new, expectations were low, etc.   Things are not trending up despite what most on this board want to think.  It's amazing to me that despite all the warning signs and one of the most embarrassing losses in tourney history, the time here seems to be excuse making instead of concern for the future of this program.

You didn't answer the question.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that this who are focusing on how we can improve are excusing our shortcomings

Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Super ...

Good question:  Why does it seem no one is concerned about his lack of recruiting?   Let's say he gets a pass for last year ... he's not landed even one
4 star recruit.  No one can honestly think any of the 3 freshmen will make much of a difference next year.

Personally I don't give a poop about what a player is ranked. I care how they perform when they get here. If the three recruits end up being subpar, then I'll be disappointed with the recruiting

An L is an L, margin no matta. What's worse, MU losing by 32 or #2 seed Kentucky losing to a #15 seed?

Quote from: Mu8891 on March 18, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Super ...

Good question:  Why does it seem no one is concerned about his lack of recruiting?   Let's say he gets a pass for last year ... he's not landed even one
4 star recruit.  No one can honestly think any of the 3 freshmen will make much of a difference next year.

If Lewis leaves, the roster next year will
( as it stands )be worse than this year.

Davante Gardner was a two star, Harry Froling was a borderline five star, and Jimmy Butler was an afterthought behind Fulce.

Rankings no matta.

I started to look forward to next year after getting taunted in the McCormick Place parking garage by DePaul fans after that hot steamer.

A good transition year, now get the talent in to match the system, and finally, have the coaching staff take a hard grading, honest self assessment on their performance. I see too much stubborn Wojo in Shaka so far, which goes back to his previous end of year flame outs.

Frankly, eye'm fein wit purgin' da rooster of all remainin' Woj playas, hey?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2022, 08:21:24 AM
Frankly, eye'm fein wit purgin' da rooster of all remainin' Woj playas, hey?

Except it was largely due to Wojo's players that we overachieved this year. And some of our best projected returners are Wojo guys.

IMO, the sooner Shaka has complete control over his roster, the sooner we get Uptown, hey?

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2022, 09:48:24 PM
I started to look forward to next year after getting taunted in the McCormick Place parking garage by DePaul fans after that hot steamer.

A good transition year, now get the talent in to match the system, and finally, have the coaching staff take a hard grading, honest self assessment on their performance. I see too much stubborn Wojo in Shaka so far, which goes back to his previous end of year flame outs.

Interesting. I would appreciate learning more about this remark. Could you please explain a bit more with specifics?

I have been suspicious that there has been some sort of internal tension within the team that is partially responsible for the long slide. I have absolutely no evidence. It's just a wild guess. Your thoughts?

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2022, 08:21:24 AM
Frankly, eye'm fein wit purgin' da rooster of all remainin' Woj playas, hey?

Clear the decks

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 19, 2022, 09:06:12 AM
Interesting. I would appreciate learning more about this remark. Could you please explain a bit more with specifics?

I have been suspicious that there has been some sort of internal tension within the team that is partially responsible for the long slide. I have absolutely no evidence. It's just a wild guess. Your thoughts?

There is not internal tension.

We are now fully scouted and in many instances (starting five) have to play 3 on 5 on offense for large portions of the game.  If our "three" aren't fully on we will lose.  It also makes the defense suffer.  Our rebounding makes things worse.  What happened against NC was a worst case scenario but unfortunately is likely against a better team who's playing well.

Shaka did a great job coaching this roster to the tournament and should be applauded for that. Give him a chance to fill the gaps.  This spring/summer is huge!  We will know shortly how this will play out for next year. 

Shaka did an incredible job given the lack of big time talent on this team, aina?

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 19, 2022, 09:56:50 AM
There is not internal tension.

We are now fully scouted and in many instances (starting five) have to play 3 on 5 on offense for large portions of the game.  If our "three" aren't fully on we will lose.  It also makes the defense suffer.  Our rebounding makes things worse.  What happened against NC was a worst case scenario but unfortunately is likely against a better team who's playing well.

Shaka did a great job coaching this roster to the tournament and should be applauded for that. Give him a chance to fill the gaps.  This spring/summer is huge!  We will know shortly how this will play out for next year.

Don't we already know? We know about the limited talent returning
We know the recruits coming in are 3 stars.
We know that we will have to hope and pray the returning talent must improve SIGNIFICANTLY, even though a number of them regressed as year went on
What else do we need to know?

Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2022, 10:58:24 AM
Don't we already know? We know about the limited talent returning
We know the recruits coming in are 3 stars.
We know that we will have to hope and pray the returning talent must improve SIGNIFICANTLY, even though a number of them regressed as year went on
What else do we need to know?

Transfers both in and out.

Quote from: Clarissa on March 19, 2022, 11:01:41 AM
Transfers both in and out.

Dont see much in portal and are we going to bring any studs in from that? Because the ones we brought in this season did not pan out according to many here. But there is always that standby mantra of there is next year to hope about.

Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2022, 11:06:12 AM
Dont see much in portal and are we going to bring any studs in from that? Because the ones we brought in this season did not pan out according to many here. But there is always that standby mantra of there is next year to hope about.

Did the portal close yesterday?  Wow, big news. 

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2022, 10:51:22 AM
Shaka did an incredible job given the lack of big time talent on this team, aina?

Yep

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 19, 2022, 09:56:50 AM
There is not internal tension.

We are now fully scouted and in many instances (starting five) have to play 3 on 5 on offense for large portions of the game.  If our "three" aren't fully on we will lose.  It also makes the defense suffer.  Our rebounding makes things worse.  What happened against NC was a worst case scenario but unfortunately is likely against a better team who's playing well.

Shaka did a great job coaching this roster to the tournament and should be applauded for that. Give him a chance to fill the gaps.  This spring/summer is huge!  We will know shortly how this will play out for next year.

Oh, I do not challenge the argument stated here repeatedly that the other coaches have figured us out. I just do not believe it is the only reason for our decline, but to be fair, you did not say that it was. Shaka did do a great job getting this team into the tourney. Question remain as to why measures could not be taken to adjust, even in midseason. And yes, easier said than done. But were we/Shaka completely helpless to stem the tide? That's really what I'm asking.

What I asked of Dr. B was an explanation of why and where he saw stubbornness in Shaka.

I also added my wild guess that there may have been some dissension within the team. The '18-19' team almost certainly had "internal tension" before the infamous letter, and their late season performance was clearly off. I think on that basis alone, it's not a totally unwarranted guess.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 11:08:55 AM
Did the portal close yesterday?  Wow, big news.

Your point? Right now there isn't much talent there and likely no studs will be there. And if there were could Shaka land them especially after the colossal ass kicking we took. Sorry if I pissed on your parade

Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2022, 02:41:37 PM
Your point? Right now there isn't much talent there and likely no studs will be there. And if there were could Shaka land them especially after the colossal ass kicking we took. Sorry if I pissed on your parade

That's a good point.  Not sure any kids will want to play for Shaka because of one game. 

I guess my contention is that we had limited options to counter the moves by the better teams.  I don't think other coaches could have done better with this group. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 02:53:03 PM
That's a good point.  Not sure any kids will want to play for Shaka because of one game.

Yep. It's sad that Shaka won't be able to point to having turned a 13-win team into an NCAAT participant in one season, or to the 2 wins over Nova, or to wins over numerous other quality teams, or to having a track record of giving PT to whoever deserves it regardless of whether or not they're new to the team, or to running an offense that gives the green light to any shooter.

The only thing "studs" will care about is the UNC loss.

We're doomed, not just next season but forever and ever.

Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2022, 03:03:13 PM
Yep. It's sad that Shaka won't be able to point to having turned a 13-win team into an NCAAT participant in one season, or to the 2 wins over Nova, or to wins over numerous other quality teams, or to having a track record of giving PT to whoever deserves it regardless of whether or not they're new to the team, or to running an offense that gives the green light to any shooter.

The only thing "studs" will care about is the UNC loss.

We're doomed, not just next season but forever and ever.

I fear a mass exodus of players

Interesting how we the same conversation is now occurring every off season.  Realists who see that nothing has changed and the future is bleak and delusional scoopers who continue to point to next year as the start of the great rebirth of Marquette basketball.  Yet next year never seems to pan out.  You all will be spouting the same excuses next off season.  Soon enough it will be 15 or 20 years since the last NCAA win and you still be making excuses.

Seton Hall lost by almost as us and they were the 8 seed rather than the 9.  Both teams were humiliated, but at least we weren't favored.  Plus North Carolina beating Baylor today helps.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2022, 03:22:00 PM
Interesting how we the same conversation is now occurring every off season.  Realists who see that nothing has changed and the future is bleak and delusional scoopers who continue to point to next year as the start of the great rebirth of Marquette basketball.  Yet next year never seems to pan out.  You all will be spouting the same excuses next off season.  Soon enough it will be 15 or 20 years since the last NCAA win and you still be making excuses.

Cool story, bro. 

Quote from: BLWarrior91 on March 19, 2022, 03:23:26 PM
Seton Hall lost by almost as us and they were the 8 seed rather than the 9.  Both teams were humiliated, but at least we weren't favored.  Plus North Carolina beating Baylor today helps.

Yes, let's aim to be just like Seton Hall.   Used to be we could look down on the Hall.  Not anymore.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 03:26:24 PM
Cool story, bro.

Tell me you're a 70 year old Boomer without saying you're a 70 year old Boomer.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2022, 03:31:40 PM
Tell me you're a 70 year old Boomer without saying you're a 70 year old Boomer.

Keep going, pal.  Maybe someday you'll achieve your dream of having posters on scoop be as angry as you and you'll be vindicated.  It's a heckuva dream but keep plugging away and you could get there!

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 19, 2022, 03:01:09 PM
I guess my contention is that we had limited options to counter the moves by the better teams.  I don't think other coaches could have done better with this group.

I get what you are saying. It's just that I'm not comfortable with Marquette being seen entirely as the victim of other coaches/teams without any accountability on MU's part regarding our late season performance. Our guys looked lost sometimes and did not seem to have their heads and hearts in the game(s). Admittedly, this is a purely subjective take on my part.

I agree that being scouted and figured out played a very large part, but sometimes we needed to look into a mirror to see where some of the other problems were.

We need a poll which Scooper will win the vitriol marathon after this loss. WW and Farley leading the pack but still time for some of the other contenders to get back in the race.

Sad that so many are so scared to see the truth that the truth is labeled as "vitriol."

Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2022, 03:30:35 PM
Yes, let's aim to be just like Seton Hall.   Used to be we could look down on the Hall.  Not anymore.

The main issue with you is you're dumb. You take people's posts and just make inane leaps that no sensible person with a grasp of reality would make.

That comment on Seton Hall in no way inferred Marquette should aim to be just like Seton Hall. Get a grip.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2022, 04:33:59 PM
Sad that so many are so scared to see the truth that the truth is labeled as "vitriol."

You're simply a fool.

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 19, 2022, 04:30:19 PM
We need a poll which Scooper will win the vitriol marathon after this loss. WW and Farley leading the pack but still time for some of the other contenders to get back in the race.

Since you already know who leads the pack, why do you need a poll. Nothing I have said is vitriol. But hey, that is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps we should have a poll about how many people see some red flags by the teams performance over last month or so. Or maybe a poll about MUs quality of play during tourney time.

Quote from: Jockey on March 19, 2022, 04:45:15 PM
You're simply a fool.

Name calling always sways classy people.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2022, 04:44:24 PM
The main issue with you is you're dumb. You take people's posts and just make inane leaps that no sensible person with a grasp of reality would make.

That comment on Seton Hall in no way inferred Marquette should aim to be just like Seton Hall. Get a grip.

Are like all of your posts on this site ripping on other posters? Hey if it makes you feel better about yourself.......

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2022, 04:44:24 PM
The main issue with you is you're dumb. You take people's posts and just make inane leaps that no sensible person with a grasp of reality would make.

That comment on Seton Hall in no way inferred Marquette should aim to be just like Seton Hall. Get a grip.

Thanks Vander Blue Man Group.  My point was that Big East teams in the 8-9 games didn't look very good, but at least Marquette wasn't the higher seed in their loss and UNC beating Baylor softens the blow a bit.  I'm not sure how that could be construed in any way that we should want to be like Seton Hall. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 02:53:03 PM
That's a good point.  Not sure any kids will want to play for Shaka because of one game.

If you could read incontext and from other posts, what about the entire last month of the season, the 3 losses to Creighton, the loss to DePaul etc? Did not say just because of the asskicking of 1 game, but that sure is significant because it was on a large stage. All of that matters, except to you. Haven't seen him land any studs here yet, and that must start immediately, because the current talent needs to be upgraded. Why dont you digest that a bit instead of being critical of my post? Oh I forgot, I live rent free in your mind. The criticism  should be placed where it belongs at Shaka's feet. I want marked improvement, not the laughingstock left by our BEast tourney and NCAA tourney results. But you seem to be accepting of that. That is your problem.

Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2022, 01:40:00 PM
If you could read incontext and from other posts, what about the entire last month of the season, the 3 losses to Creighton, the loss to DePaul etc? Did not say just because of the asskicking of 1 game, but that sure is significant because it was on a large stage. All of that matters, except to you. Haven't seen him land any studs here yet, and that must start immediately, because the current talent needs to be upgraded. Why dont you digest that a bit instead of being critical of my post? Oh I forgot, I live rent free in your mind. The criticism  should be placed where it belongs at Shaka's feet. I want marked improvement, not the laughingstock left by our BEast tourney and NCAA tourney results. But you seem to be accepting of that. That is your problem.

I ain't reading all that

I'm happy for u tho.

Or sorry that happened

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2022, 04:44:24 PM
The main issue with you is you're dumb. You take people's posts and just make inane leaps that no sensible person with a grasp of reality would make.

That comment on Seton Hall in no way inferred Marquette should aim to be just like Seton Hall. Get a grip.

you comment about a guy you don't know. You post that which you would not say in person. In fact, use that as a guideline. Would I call a guy dumb in person? My guess is no, you would not. Therefore, don't post it. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2022, 03:34:40 PM
Keep going, pal.  Maybe someday you'll achieve your dream of having posters on scoop be as angry as you and you'll be vindicated.  It's a heckuva dream but keep plugging away and you could get there!

you hack on Farley but at least I know he hates the mediocrity that is Marquette basketball. Many on here seem to accept the suck. The posting of smug nothings and somehow come to a belief that next season will be better. Insanity! Meanwhile, over in Madison RED kicks A.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2022, 01:41:56 PM
I ain't reading all that

I'm happy for u tho.

Or sorry that happened

Likely your train of thought would not last that long

Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2022, 04:16:35 PM
Likely your train of thought would not last that long

Reading your posts is like a train wreck

Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2022, 04:15:49 PM
you hack on Farley but at least I know he hates the mediocrity that is Marquette basketball. Many on here seem to accept the suck. The posting of smug nothings and somehow come to a belief that next season will be better. Insanity! Meanwhile, over in Madison RED kicks A.

No one likes where MU is right now. They just don't believe the sky is falling nonsense.

Quote from: warriors141 on March 20, 2022, 01:03:43 PM
Are like all of your posts on this site ripping on other posters? Hey if it makes you feel better about yourself.......

No, they are, like, all not like that. 

Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2022, 04:09:53 PM
you comment about a guy you don't know. You post that which you would not say in person. In fact, use that as a guideline. Would I call a guy dumb in person? My guess is no, you would not. Therefore, don't post it. 

Thanks but I'm good.  And while I don't know him personally I've seen enough of his inane posts to feel confident about his intelligence or lack thereof. 

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2022, 04:53:32 PM
No, they are, like, all not like that. 

Thanks but I'm good.  And while I don't know him personally I've seen enough of his inane posts to feel confident about his intelligence or lack thereof.

Usually the person who has to resort to insults and call out someone else's intelligence is doing so because they lack the intelligence to do anything else.  I'm pretty confident that in the intelligence department you're not much of a threat.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:00:55 PM
Usually the person who has to resort to insults and call out someone else's intelligence is doing so because they lack the intelligence to do anything else.

Usually that may be the case.  However you're just an idiot.

Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2022, 04:15:49 PM
you hack on Farley but at least I know he hates the mediocrity that is Marquette basketball.

Farley said he no longer cares about Marquette basketball. So why should you, Rico, me, the mods or anybody else pay any attention to what he says regarding the present or future of Marquette basketball?

I hated our season's finish, but I try to keep it (and all things in life) in perspective. It was Shaka's first year and we made the NCAA tournament, scoring a lot of fun victories along the way. I remain optimistic about our program's future, and I trust that Shaka will lead us back to relevance. Why? Because thinking we're doomed forever is not what I choose to do.

If you happen to define all that as embracing "the mediocrity that is Marquette basketball," I can live with that.

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2022, 05:23:14 PM
Farley said he no longer cares about Marquette basketball. So why should you, Rico, me, the mods or anybody else pay any attention to what he says regarding the present or future of Marquette basketball?

I hated our season's finish, but I try to keep it (and all things in life) in perspective. It was Shaka's first year and we made the NCAA tournament, scoring a lot of fun victories along the way. I remain optimistic about our program's future, and I trust that Shaka will lead us back to relevance. Why? Because thinking we're doomed forever is not what I choose to do.

If you happen to define all that as embracing "the mediocrity that is Marquette basketball," I can live with that.

Ahh..you're such a cute old man. 

Quote from: Clarissa on March 20, 2022, 05:22:19 PM

Usually that may be the case.  However you're just an idiot.

You're so easily manipulated.  That says all we need to know. 

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:28:20 PM
Ahh..you're such a cute old man.

"Only losers resort to name-calling ... old man."

You're a quitter and a liar. Bye!

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2022, 05:31:04 PM
"Only losers resort to name-calling ... old man."

You're a quitter and a liar. Bye!

Lol, old man is name calling?  What part is offensive to you?  That you're old or a man? 

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:35:53 PM
Lol, old man is name calling?  What part is offensive to you?  That you're old or a man?

I'm not easily offended, let alone by a quitter whose opinion doesn't matter.

Go root for Madison, quitter.

Vander, MU82, and Clarissa, I want you to do some self reflection.  I have triggered you all so much that you've resorted to name calling and insults.  You've also been unable to control yourselves from responding to me for an entire weekend.  MU82 has been so out of control that in every message he says he's going to ignore me and still can't.  As much as I've enjoyed witnessing the power that I apparently wield over all of you, you all really should reflect on why you simply couldn't actually ignore me.  You've all shown yourselves to be so easily manipulated.  It's been rather enjoyable.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:42:55 PM
Vander, MU82, and Clarissa, I want you to do some self reflection.  I have triggered you all so much that you've resorted to name calling and insults.  You've also been unable to control yourselves from responding to me for an entire weekend.  MU82 has been so out of control that in every message he says he's going to ignore me and still can't.  As much as I've enjoyed witnessing the power that I apparently wield over all of you, you all really should reflect on why you simply couldn't actually ignore me.  You've all shown yourselves to be so easily manipulated.  It's been rather enjoyable.

You're a quitter.

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2022, 05:43:36 PM
You're a quitter.

Lol, you still can't stop.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
Lol, you still can't stop.

And a liar.

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2022, 05:45:48 PM
And a liar.

I'm living rent free at this point. 

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:46:42 PM
I'm living rent free at this point.

You're so easily triggered, quitter.

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2022, 05:47:15 PM
You're so easily triggered, quitter.

My parents don't know what words like triggered mean either.  No worries.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:49:42 PM
My parents don't know what words like triggered mean either.  No worries.

Nice to live rent-free in that peanut brain of yours, quitter.

Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2022, 04:15:49 PM
you hack on Farley but at least I know he hates the mediocrity that is Marquette basketball. Many on here seem to accept the suck. The posting of smug nothings and somehow come to a belief that next season will be better. Insanity! Meanwhile, over in Madison RED kicks A.

You sure about this?

Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2022, 05:50:21 PM
Nice to live rent-free in that peanut brain of yours, quitter.

Do you two folks know each other? If not, you really should meet sometime.

Anywho...back to our regularly scheduled program here-nice topic goose!

I think what some of us saw was the team response to an 0 fer, 2 big Villanova wins including of course the one on the road in a very tough place to win. The middle 1/3 of season was hey, maybe we have something here to leaking oil. We don't know what was going on behind the scenes either. And that's ok. Shaka did bring some of the best out of mediocrity now he needs to bring in some studs. Either under the radar stuff he develops from 3-4 star to 5's or hell, just go for the gusto! 

One thing I think Shaka needs to do is show a little more emotion. Even if it's not his schtick, get some!  Go to fight for our guys. Dive for the loose balls with the team. Get t'd up, swear like O'Neil once in a while. Make the jesuits blush a little

Lots of room for improvement but if I had to choose who I'd rather come out of this season with and still look forward to next, wojo or Shaka, slam dunk...BUT, he's gotta make some moves

Our team went from violence to pacifist. Rebounding the ball was probably our biggest problem. Rebounding is primarily about attitude. Our forwards and centers need more attitude on the defensive end.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:00:55 PM
Usually the person who has to resort to insults and call out someone else's intelligence is doing so because they lack the intelligence to do anything else.  I'm pretty confident that in the intelligence department you're not much of a threat.

This is certainly an exception to that "rule". 

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2022, 08:05:55 AM
This is certainly an exception to that "rule".

Wow, good comeback.  Your wit continues to shine through.

Quote from: Farley36 on March 20, 2022, 05:42:55 PM
Vander, MU82, and Clarissa, I want you to do some self reflection.  I have triggered you all so much that you've resorted to name calling and insults.  You've also been unable to control yourselves from responding to me for an entire weekend.  MU82 has been so out of control that in every message he says he's going to ignore me and still can't.  As much as I've enjoyed witnessing the power that I apparently wield over all of you, you all really should reflect on why you simply couldn't actually ignore me.  You've all shown yourselves to be so easily manipulated.  It's been rather enjoyable.

Signs you're a complete douche:

-Using the word "triggered"
-Believing supposedly "triggering" someone is some kind of accomplishment
-Calling someone an "old man" or a "boomer"
-Legitimately believing you actually have some kind of "power" or are "manipulating" anyone, which says more about you than anyone else.

Responding to inane, idiotic posts full of nonsense and hyperbole when I should ignore them is definitely a fault of mine. 

Primarily what I take issue with is the thought that someone doesn't have high expectations for or concerns about the program or Shaka if they don't completely lose their sh*t over a terrible loss or a tough last month of the season.  There are PLENTY of reasons to be optimistic about the future of the program.  Perspective is actually a good thing.  You clearly are not capable of displaying it. 

As far as self-reflection goes, the only one in this exchange who needs a massive dose of it is you. 

As soon as Topper finishes his Arby's breakfast, I predict.....

IBTL

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Come on man!!  This is a nice thread. Can't let the children wreck everything Just get rid of the dead skin and let's rock and roll here

And besides, only threads started by 82 get the hammer, not the goose😬

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on March 21, 2022, 09:30:06 AM
Come on man!!  This is a nice thread. Can't let the children wreck everything Just get rid of the dead skin and let's rock and roll here

And besides, only threads started by 82 get the hammer, not the goose😬

Isn't Scoop overdue for another "Campus Alert!" by your fellow tooth-scraper? :D

Yeah, there were 2 armed incidents today, as reported by MUPD, hey?

Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2022, 12:19:51 PM
Isn't Scoop overdue for another "Campus Alert!" by your fellow tooth-scraper? :D

if it saves just one life...

fyi, "tooth scrapers" are hygeeenists. 

Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on March 23, 2022, 08:27:19 AM
if it saves just one life...

fyi, "tooth scrapers" are hygeeenists.

Is that the position that is not allowed to shave their head in support of a friend going through cancer treatments?

I think this game was the catalyst for this season. I firmly believe that the end of last year has been the driving force behind this year's success.

That UNC was a tough one, but possibly a big reason of why the team is currently ranked #6 in the country.

Agreed, Goose.

Between the ending of last season and then being picked ninth in the conference, Shaka and the team had all they needed to really come together as a team and prove they are legitimate. 

Quote from: dgies9156 on March 17, 2022, 08:54:42 PM
Out of the ashes of defeat comes the roots of victory. We'll get there!

I guess I was right -- as was Goose.

On to the NCAAs and let's kick some butt!

Some epic takes from the usual suspects.

Quote from: Goose on February 27, 2023, 11:38:19 AM
I think this game was the catalyst for this season. I firmly believe that the end of last year has been the driving force behind this year's success.

That UNC was a tough one, but possibly a big reason of why the team is currently ranked #6 in the country.

Agree. It was a little rough seeing my reaction post-game. Definitely got back on the bandwagon shortly after,  but oof--probably one of the most knee-jerk (and partially whiskey-fueled) posts I've had.

Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2022, 09:56:29 AM
That said, recruit over Kolek all day long and make him a role player down the road.

Are we just going to ignore this?  heh.

Shocking that willie and Farley were the two biggest posters in this topic.

rocky

I hope they recruit over Kolek and make him a role player next year. Could you imagine how good that team would be?

Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2022, 02:28:40 PM
The future of the program starts with this off-season, not with what happened yesterday.

Recruiting, player development, the coaching staff learning from what went wrong this year all are far more important.

I'm wrong so often I was pleasantly surprised to see this. We'll see on the recruiting, but the last two they have excelled in.

Quote from: Herman Cain on March 18, 2022, 11:57:28 AM
I am pleased with the direction of the program under Shaka.

At the outset of the season,I thought  we would make the NCAA tournament and be in the upper tier of The Big East . We accomplished that . Shaka got to work right away bringing in transfers and keeping the recruits .

We signed a couple nice prospects for 2022 and have a lot of irons in the fire for 2023.

I expect we will hit on some solid players in the transfer portal.

Next season we will field an even better squad .

Yesterdays game was a disappointment . However ,my disappointment was not in Shaka. The team was getting very good looks early on but missing the shots . MU never settled in and shot poorly despite having many good looks . Our players were not up to the moment and UNCs players were.

To my way of thinking, yesterday was similar to when Buzz 2011-12 squad crapped the bed against Florida in the S 16 that year . The next year we came back and made Elite 8

Here was my take after last years game....

Herman

I think many on here were very disappointed, but  excited about the future. I sure was wrong the transfer portal.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2022, 08:41:40 AM
Signs you're a complete douche:

-Using the word "triggered"
-Believing supposedly "triggering" someone is some kind of accomplishment
-Calling someone an "old man" or a "boomer"
-Legitimately believing you actually have some kind of "power" or are "manipulating" anyone, which says more about you than anyone else.

Responding to inane, idiotic posts full of nonsense and hyperbole when I should ignore them is definitely a fault of mine. 

Primarily what I take issue with is the thought that someone doesn't have high expectations for or concerns about the program or Shaka if they don't completely lose their sh*t over a terrible loss or a tough last month of the season.  There are PLENTY of reasons to be optimistic about the future of the program.  Perspective is actually a good thing.  You clearly are not capable of displaying it. 

As far as self-reflection goes, the only one in this exchange who needs a massive dose of it is you.

I stand by both my evisceration of Farley and my optimism on the future of the program after a tough end to the season. 

I said before this season that neither a NIT berth or playing in the 2nd weekend of the tourney would shock me because I thought the potential ranges of outcomes were that wide because there were so many unknowns.   

However, I never would have guessed we'd have such a special regular season, winning the Big East and likely getting a 3 seed.  Amazing. 

A psycholgist would enjoy this thread. Dont even need body language to identify the sociopaths.

My main takeaway from rereading this is farley's far whinier than I even realized

Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2023, 01:13:50 PM
Some epic takes from the usual suspects.

Willie's magnum opus

Quote from: NickelDimer on February 27, 2023, 05:52:16 PM
My main takeaway from rereading this is farley's far whinier than I even realized

But he is consistent.    And woe to us all if MU gets upset between now and the end of the season.   Ignore feature is your friend. 

tower

There is a high probability that we will hear from Farley and the like before the tournament is over. Good news, the credibility factor of their posts will be diminished a great deal this year.

It would take a very twisted mind not to appreciate this team, the effort put forward and season of success. I want to win badly in March, but this has been a special season to me, regardless of final outcome.

Quote from: NCMUFan on March 17, 2022, 09:07:37 PM
They kept UNC under a 100.  I heard some folks hoping for that.

UNC was a steamroller as we found out.
Shaka did a great job putting together a competitive team his first year.

4ever continuing to prove he knows ball.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2022, 08:21:24 AM
Frankly, eye'm fein wit purgin' da rooster of all remainin' Woj playas, hey?

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 27, 2023, 08:26:23 PM
4ever continuing to prove he knows ball.

Probably are ranked 1 without Kam, Stevie and Oso. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 27, 2023, 08:53:14 PM
Probably are ranked 1 without Kam, Stevie and Oso.

Right, Shaka giving the opposing team a chance by starting Kam, Stevie and Oso.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 27, 2023, 08:53:14 PM
Probably are ranked 1 without Kam, Stevie and Oso.

Wojo didn't hurt players by recruiting them - only by coaching them.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 27, 2023, 10:06:54 PM
Wojo didn't hurt players by recruiting them - only by coaching them.

Right, but that wasn't the point

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 27, 2023, 08:26:23 PM
4ever continuing to prove he knows ball.

Ha—great take Doc!