Real tough look losing to Creighton three times, especially with how short-handed they are.
Hope Shaka is in Bruce Weber's inbox today.
This isn't a new low. In year one, we're basically as far along as our last coach was in year 6 with a consensus first team All-American.
Quote from: Retire0 on March 10, 2022, 04:34:54 PM
Real tough look losing to Creighton three times, especially with how short-handed they are.
Hope Shaka is in Bruce Weber's inbox today.
Yes, your post is a new low on Scoop. That's tough to do considering some of the trash takes on here over the years so congrats.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 10, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
This isn't a new low. In year one, we're basically as far along as our last coach was in year 6 with a consensus first team All-American.
Shaka's floor equals Wojo's ceiling? I'm not really sure how much that's saying though.
I'm assuming he means new low for the season and if so it's hard to argue it's not
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 10, 2022, 05:17:33 PM
I'm assuming he means new low for the season and if so it's hard to argue it's not
Nah, the Butler or DePaul losses were worse.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 10, 2022, 05:18:58 PM
Nah, the Butler or DePaul losses were worse.
No comparison for me. Stakes were much higher today. Way more to prove. Tourney time etc etc
If this includes more than this season. We were 13-14 last year. If this is just this season we lost to depaul by 11. We lost to St. Bonnaventure team by 16.
what on earth is this thread.
We want Wojo!
If nothing else, we need to stop making "McDermott owns Shaka" jokes, because right now, he kinda does.
MU is 1-7 in the last 8 against Creighton.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 10, 2022, 05:03:31 PM
Yes, your post is a new low on Scoop. That's tough to do considering some of the trash takes on here over the years so congrats.
Come on, let's not attack people. Everyone is pi$$ed, and rightfully so. We've not shown any improvement in the last 2 months. Add salt to the wound, Shaka teased MU nation with what could have been in late Dec. and Jan. My only hope is that Dec./Jan. Is a representation of future years
The comment that Wojo's ceiling = Shaka's floor is a good one. Shaka cobbled together a tourney-bound performance from a team that has little right to be there. Even if we lose next week in the 1st round, this has been a successful year and hopefully a learning experience to boot.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2022, 05:37:09 PM
If nothing else, we need to stop making "McDermott owns Shaka" jokes, because right now, he kinda does.
Not a joke. And not kinda
Proof is in the pastry
Shakas ass was outcoached in each game
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 10, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
MU is 1-7 in the last 8 against Creighton.
I just feels like we always lose to Creighton no matter what. Turns out that's accurate!
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2022, 06:17:07 PM
Not a joke. And not kinda
Proof is in the pastry
Shakas ass was outcoached in each game
Did Shaka outcoach Jay Wright then?
We'd be 1 and 2 if we foul up three in the first game with less than five seconds on the clock. That was an all time blunder considering Shaka says he normally fouls in that situation. I still can't believe that one. Oh well, on to the tournament at a glacial pace here down the stretch!
Quote from: bradforster on March 10, 2022, 06:27:38 PM
We'd be 1 and 2 if we foul up three in the first game with less than five seconds on the clock. That was an all time blunder considering Shaka says he normally fouls in that situation. I still can't believe that one. Oh well, on to the tournament at a glacial pace here down the stretch!
I have a feeling that Oso blew the execution and Shaka just took the blame so as not to throw the player under the bus.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 06:27:13 PM
Did Shaka outcoach Jay Wright then?
Pico, you know that McDermott owns Shaka, so deflect all you want. Peers you can't handle the truth.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 10, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
MU is 1-7 in the last 8 against Creighton.
and the one win came off a miracle tying buzzer beater from sam.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 06:27:13 PM
Did Shaka outcoach Jay Wright then?
Not every game is decided by one staff outcoaching the other.
Two of the three Creighton games felt that way, though.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2022, 07:51:27 PM
Not every game is decided by one staff outcoaching the other.
Two of the three Creighton games felt that way, though.
I think fans really overvalue coaches when their teams lose. Shaka isn't why they had so many unforced turnovers today
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 10, 2022, 06:06:28 PM
The comment that Wojo's ceiling = Shaka's floor is a good one. Shaka cobbled together a tourney-bound performance from a team that has little right to be there. Even if we lose next week in the 1st round, this has been a successful year and hopefully a learning experience to boot.
I don't expect it to happen ever again, but you do realize that Shaka went 11-22 his 2nd year in Texas, right? Talk about a floor...
This game was lost early. Turnovers. And then too much one on one play. Morsell's 1st four shots hit the front of the rim. We needed him to play like Adrian Dantley, or at least Kelly Tripucka. That's because too often it was Kolek trying to lob it in to a big guy with butter fingers or dumping it off to a guy who couldn't hit a shot in the lane over the two bigs. No ball movement, no screens to set up shooters. Pathetic. Sure, they scratched back a few times, even close to the end. How many times did I see a guy turn it over and slap his chest and say "My bad". I was hoping Kolek would be better and craftier/slicker. But the guards were better athletes and too strong for him. And there was no second guard. Freshmen. MU rebounded well enough. Creighton hit a bunch of slop shots. And MU was desperate every time they came down the court. I don't know if they ever hit 2 shots in a row. Obviously, I was disappointed. I didn't see any defense. If a player takes the dribble to the rim you get in front of him. Even if you have to foul him. With so many players on the bench you have fouls to give. Did anyone foul out? Of course not. Soft, soft, soft. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 07:55:11 PM
I think fans really overvalue coaches when their teams lose. Shaka isn't why they had so many unforced turnovers today
A lot of those turnovers came as a result of what I'd like to call a perplexing offensive game plan, but I can't for sure say there was any offensive game plan at all.
None of this is to say Shaka is a bad coach. He's a good coach. But for one reason or another he hasn't been at his best against Creighton this year.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
A lot of those turnovers came as a result of what I'd like to call a perplexing offensive game plan, but I can't for sure say there was any offensive game plan at all.
None of this is to say Shaka is a bad coach. He's a good coach. But for one reason or another he hasn't been at his best against Creighton this year.
They lack a true sniper and someone that can create. Kur is a zero on offense and was terrible today and didn't see the court for the final 16 minutes or so. Kolek is a great distributor but teams don't respect him as a shooter. Roster construction this year is the biggest issue and yes, that's part of coaching.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
A lot of those turnovers came as a result of what I'd like to call a perplexing offensive game plan, but I can't for sure say there was any offensive game plan at all.
None of this is to say Shaka is a bad coach. He's a good coach. But for one reason or another he hasn't been at his best against Creighton this year.
I think it's true we over lanalyze coaching moves as fans. That said, this was a stinker from the staff. It took late into the 1st half for them to figure out that the small line up was the answer...and then to start the 2nd, they came out with Kur, quickly subbed OMax for Elliott after a +1. Game over. And Shaka took two time outs home with him on the charter back to MKE when MU was making the helter skelter run back where we came unglued at the end.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 10, 2022, 08:24:49 PM
I think it's true we over lanalyze coaching moves as fans. That said, this was a stinker from the staff. It took late into the 1st half for them to figure out that the small line up was the answer...and then to start the 2nd, they came out with Kur, quickly subbed OMax for Elliott after a +1. Game over. And Shaka took two time outs home with him on the charter back to MKE when MU was making the helter skelter run back where we came unglued at the end.
Thought about this. Should he have taken a timeout after the Hawkins 3 or let them play since they were playing well before that? A reset there perhaps?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 08:27:17 PM
Thought about this. Should he have taken a timeout after the Hawkins 3 or let them play since they were playing well before that? A reset there perhaps?
I would have taken the timeout when they got it to 2, not sure Elliot was going to make two drives in a row. I can't believe that he wanted Jop in for that long.
Anyway, Wojo was 5-2 in all games in Omaha
Quote from: MUDPT on March 10, 2022, 08:30:37 PM
I would have taken the timeout when they got it to 2, not sure Elliot was going to make two drives in a row. I can't believe that he wanted Jop in for that long.
Anyway, Wojo was 5-2 in all games in Omaha
Jop held his own until that last bucket against him to seal the deal and he had an opportunity to sub him out
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 10, 2022, 05:28:24 PM
We want Wojo!
Shaka is Wojo. February fade and cannot win in March.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2022, 08:27:17 PM
Thought about this. Should he have taken a timeout after the Hawkins 3 or let them play since they were playing well before that? A reset there perhaps?
I said that in game thread. MU was on roll down two and the lead by CU went up five with that shot.
MU then played terrible, especially Elliott and CU ran them off the court. Don't believe he used a timeout after that. Hawkins shot changed the whole game momentum wise and Shaka needed a timeout there.
Quote from: nyg on March 10, 2022, 08:35:14 PM
I said that in game thread. MU was on roll down two and the lead by CU went up five with that shot.
MU then played terrible, especially Elliott and CU ran them off the court. Don't believe he used a timeout after that. Hawkins shot changed the whole game momentum wise and Shaka needed a timeout there.
I think you're correct. They needed a much better possession. I like coaches letting teams play but that's a gut punch moment that probably requires a TO to refocus
Quote from: bilsu on March 10, 2022, 08:32:32 PM
Shaka is Wojo. February fade and cannot win in March.
You are Wojo.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 10, 2022, 06:44:13 PM
and the one win came off a miracle tying buzzer beater from sam.
Please tell me that wasn't the last win over the Jays. Heck, Chartouney was on that team, and scored the bucket with .8 seconds left on the clock to get within 3.
Quote from: Babybluejeans on March 10, 2022, 06:06:28 PM
Shaka cobbled together a tourney-bound performance from a team that has little right to be there. Even if we lose next week in the 1st round, this has been a successful year and hopefully a learning experience to boot.
Absolutely on target. The team turned over like a roster buster. And Wojo's cupboard was bare. And why was that? He couldn't convince 4 stars to play for a team that is known for producing some of the best players in the NBA. It come's down to coaching (and that's why wojo is gone, and waiting for another job- Why not Georgia) but my point is--> given time, Smart will recruit good players, great athletes, players with character who can handle the rigid requirements of playing at a university in America. And playing major college basketball. I thought before the season it would take 3 years. Build the team around JL. Not rocket science. I I expected JL to be here for four years. And now he's improved so quickly. Many say he's gone. I believe he will be back next year. Obviously, that would give us a boost of confidence. I may regret saying this, but if JL can't dominate in a game in the garden against the bluebirds he ain't ready for the nba. And Smart has cobbled together a team that should be proud of what they have done. I'm down tonight. But next year will be like warm coffee. The team will turn over a little after the madness and MU will add pieces and the young guys will get stronger and play like the stars they were in high school and JL will be back and he will play like Kawhi Leonard. I'm sorry if I'm long winded. Cheers
Quote from: oilcan on March 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Absolutely on target. The team turned over like a roster buster. And Wojo's cupboard was bare. And why was that? He couldn't convince 4 stars to play for a team that is known for producing some of the best players in the NBA. It come's down to coaching (and that's why wojo is gone, and waiting for another job- Why not Georgia) but my point is--> given time, Smart will recruit good players, great athletes, players with character who can handle the rigid requirements of playing at a university in America. And playing major college basketball. I thought before the season it would take 3 years. Build the team around JL. Not rocket science. I I expected JL to be here for four years. And now he's improved so quickly. Many say he's gone. I believe he will be back next year. Obviously, that would give us a boost of confidence. I may regret saying this, but if JL can't dominate in a game in the garden against the bluebirds he ain't ready for the nba. And Smart has cobbled together a team that should be proud of what they have done. I'm down tonight. But next year will be like warm coffee. The team will turn over a little after the madness and MU will add pieces and the young guys will get stronger and play like the stars they were in high school and JL will be back and he will play like Kawhi Leonard. I'm sorry if I'm long winded. Cheers
None of MU's freshman have anything resembling "star" ability.
And JL doesn't have the drive to play like Kawhi Leonard. Tons of natural physical ability, but rarely gives total effort for an entire game.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 10, 2022, 06:44:13 PM
and the one win came off a miracle tying buzzer beater from sam.
No, they won in Omaha in December 2020.
Truth is that Creighton is simply a better team than MU this year. I am not a McDermott fan, but I give him a lot of credit for completely changing the complexion of his team from prior years. They play very solid defense, move the ball very well on offense, don't get rattled, and play smart. If the two teams played ten times in a row, Creighton would win eight of them. Basketball is about matchups and, just like 'Nova does not match up well with MU, we don't match up well with Creighton this year.
What concerns me about our team is that they hit their peak in January and have gone downhill since then. Second time around in conf play, all the other teams figured out how to beat them, and Shaka does not have the personnel to adjust.
Quote from: rgoode57 on March 11, 2022, 07:16:33 AM
Truth is that Creighton is simply a better team than MU this year. I am not a McDermott fan, but I give him a lot of credit for completely changing the complexion of his team from prior years. They play very solid defense, move the ball very well on offense, don't get rattled, and play smart. If the two teams played ten times in a row, Creighton would win eight of them. Basketball is about matchups and, just like 'Nova does not match up well with MU, we don't match up well with Creighton this year.
What concerns me about our team is that they hit their peak in January and have gone downhill since then. Second time around in conf play, all the other teams figured out how to beat them, and Shaka does not have the personnel to adjust.
Marquette was 5-4 second time playing teams this season.
Mac has really quietly reloaded that team. Don't forget that they lost Top 15 recruit TyTy Washington to Kentucky. The alleged reason is because of Mac's plantation comment, but it's possible it had more to do with Kentucky starting to sniff around and he was looking for any excuse to get out.
They're a bad matchup for us currently, but they also have a talented team who deserves to be in the tournament. We helped them in that regard yesterday because they should definitely be sweating with their NET in the mid 60's.
Cooley might be coach of the year nationally, but McDermott was the best coach in the Big East this year. Completely flipped his offensive style to a tough defense with a very young core. Kalkbrenner is the best big in the league, only Sanogo is in his class.
Why do people want to take any and all credit away from Providence and the season they've had?
Sanogo is the only big in the same class as Kalkbrenner? Watson is right there with both of them.
McDermott the best coach in the Big East? Cooley is clearly just as good of a coach and took a team predicted to finish 7th in the conference and won the conference outright.
I get people love algorithms. But give the team some credit for actually winning games.
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Quote from: oilcan on March 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Absolutely on target. The team turned over like a roster buster. And Wojo's cupboard was bare. And why was that? He couldn't convince 4 stars to play for a team that is known for producing some of the best players in the NBA. It come's down to coaching (and that's why wojo is gone, and waiting for another job- Why not Georgia) but my point is--> given time, Smart will recruit good players, great athletes, players with character who can handle the rigid requirements of playing at a university in America. And playing major college basketball. I thought before the season it would take 3 years. Build the team around JL. Not rocket science. I I expected JL to be here for four years. And now he's improved so quickly. Many say he's gone. I believe he will be back next year. Obviously, that would give us a boost of confidence. I may regret saying this, but if JL can't dominate in a game in the garden against the bluebirds he ain't ready for the nba. And Smart has cobbled together a team that should be proud of what they have done. I'm down tonight. But next year will be like warm coffee. The team will turn over a little after the madness and MU will add pieces and the young guys will get stronger and play like the stars they were in high school and JL will be back and he will play like Kawhi Leonard. I'm sorry if I'm long winded. Cheers
Good points Oil Can. Stevie, Kam and Jop all played contributing roles on a good team. Each has shown one skill that they can excel at year one and build around for year two. They're great building blocks.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 11, 2022, 07:45:55 AM
Mac has really quietly reloaded that team. Don't forget that they lost Top 15 recruit TyTy Washington to Kentucky. The alleged reason is because of Mac's plantation comment, but it's possible it had more to do with Kentucky starting to sniff around and he was looking for any excuse to get out.
They're a bad matchup for us currently, but they also have a talented team who deserves to be in the tournament. We helped them in that regard yesterday because they should definitely be sweating with their NET in the mid 60's.
It wasn't all that quiet. It was still the best recruiting class in Creighton history.
Quote from: WithoutBias on March 11, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Why do people want to take any and all credit away from Providence and the season they've had?
Sanogo is the only big in the same class as Kalkbrenner? Watson is right there with both of them.
McDermott the best coach in the Big East? Cooley is clearly just as good of a coach and took a team predicted to finish 7th in the conference and won the conference outright.
I get people love algorithms. But give the team some credit for actually winning games.
Cooley and PC had a hell of a year and deserve all the honors they get. Cooley is BECOY.
But Watson isn't very good. The numbers show PC is often better with him on the bench.
Quote from: WithoutBias on March 11, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Why do people want to take any and all credit away from Providence and the season they've had?
Sanogo is the only big in the same class as Kalkbrenner? Watson is right there with both of them.
McDermott the best coach in the Big East? Cooley is clearly just as good of a coach and took a team predicted to finish 7th in the conference and won the conference outright.
I get people love algorithms. But give the team some credit for actually winning games.
Watson has lead feet and is an absolute garbage defender.
McDermott flipping his team from an offensive speed machine to this defensive based squad around mostly freshmen is far more impressive than running out with a bunch of grad seniors.
McDermott gets my vote but Cooley also did great work this year
Quote from: oilcan on March 10, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
Many say he's gone. I believe he will be back next year. Obviously, that would give us a boost of confidence. I may regret saying this, but if JL can't dominate in a game in the garden against the bluebirds he ain't ready for the nba.
It doesn't matter if Lewis is "ready." After the first half-dozen picks, NBA teams draft purely on potential a year or three from now.
He is increasingly showing up in the first round of mock drafts. Selfishly, as a Marquette fan, I'd love to see him stay for another year. Right now, though, that looks unlikely. Ready or not.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2022, 02:07:45 PM
It doesn't matter if Lewis is "ready." After the first half-dozen picks, NBA teams draft purely on potential a year or three from now.
I would say every pick is based on where a player will be a year or three from now.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2022, 02:09:28 PM
I would say every pick is based on where a player will be a year or three from now.
I meant as opposed to being an immediate impact player. But yes, you're right.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 10, 2022, 10:54:08 PM
None of MU's freshman have anything resembling "star" ability.
And JL doesn't have the drive to play like Kawhi Leonard. Tons of natural physical ability, but rarely gives total effort for an entire game.
You are a great comedian.
Looks like Ed Cooley got out coached even worse than Shaka.
And I hope this puts am end to this stupid thread.
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