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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on February 20, 2022, 04:20:58 PM
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Is no longer traveling. The problems that plagued us early in the year (poor defense, not finishing games strong) are back lately. Massively choked this one away.
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This^ What is our defense ranked now? Can’t imagine it’s top 40
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Not sure our defense is as bad as it seems. I'm genuinely curious between the last two games how many shots have been made in the last 3 sec of the clock. It just seems like theres been a player who's guarded pulling miracles out of their ass
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Not sure our defense is as bad as it seems. I'm genuinely curious between the last two games how many shots have been made in the last 3 sec of the clock. It just seems like theres been a player who's guarded pulling miracles out of their ass
This. I was at the game - Creighton continually ran the clock down and then pulled a ridiculous shot out of the ass. Yes, Marquette’s defense in the first half was not good, but I thought it was better in the second half.
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Can’t stop a nosebleed. WAY over helping on everything.
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It’s terrible
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Layup lines. Nobody knowing where their man is cutting. And when we force a miss we don’t rebound the ball.
What happened to the press? The full court trapping press got exposed by Butler and we haven’t played it since. I’m fine with that. The 3/4 court press was always the far more successful defense. We didn’t press Creighton at all and we aren’t pressing Butler, and we can’t stop either whatsoever. Need to see that 3/4 court defense come back.
Forcing turnovers is no longer happening and that’s the only way we get stops.
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efense
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Wojo could’ve given us this level of defense.
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Layup lines. Nobody knowing where their man is cutting. And when we force a miss we don’t rebound the ball.
What happened to the press? The full court trapping press got exposed by Butler and we haven’t played it since. I’m fine with that. The 3/4 court press was always the far more successful defense. We didn’t press Creighton at all and we aren’t pressing Butler, and we can’t stop either whatsoever. Need to see that 3/4 court defense come back.
Forcing turnovers is no longer happening and that’s the only way we get stops.
3 points in nearly 10 minutes since throwing the 3/4 court press in. That needs to be played a lot.
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Layup lines. Nobody knowing where their man is cutting. And when we force a miss we don’t rebound the ball.
What happened to the press? The full court trapping press got exposed by Butler and we haven’t played it since. I’m fine with that. The 3/4 court press was always the far more successful defense. We didn’t press Creighton at all and we aren’t pressing Butler, and we can’t stop either whatsoever. Need to see that 3/4 court defense come back.
Forcing turnovers is no longer happening and that’s the only way we get stops.
Very good summary. I really thought that the 6 day layoff would give the team enough time to correct some of the problems in practice. I always love wins, even ugly ones, but the reboot on defense (and offense) during the layoff that I was hoping to see simply was not there.
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It wasn't there the first 8 minutes. 23 points. After that, 33 points in 32 minutes. Held Butler to 56. Even closed the rebounding gap.
Need to start out stronger, though. These slow starts are frustrating.
Changed due to what Shaka said.
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It wasn't there the first 8 minutes. 24 points. After that, 32 points in 32 minutes. Held Butler to 56. Even closed the rebounding gap.
Need to start out stronger, though. These slow starts are frustrating.
Starting out stronger would be great. We have some guys who if they don’t hit their first couple of shots get it in their heads s bit. Others like Kam, just keeps shooting lol. I think Justin and Tyler get down on themselves if they miss - too tough on themselves . Shake it off and think, Next Play! Go Marquette!
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When Marquette does not do pressure defense in the backcourt, we are just like any other team on defense. Butler was rattled when we started putting some pressure in the backcourt.
Not saying we do it 40 minutes, but it certainly gives MU an edge.
I wonder if our W-L ratio is related to the minutes per game we did backcourt pressure.
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It wasn't there the first 8 minutes. 23 points. After that, 33 points in 32 minutes. Held Butler to 56. Even closed the rebounding gap.
Need to start out stronger, though. These slow starts are frustrating.
Changed due to what Shaka said.
Fair, but considering that we were playing a 6-12 team, on our home court, needing to avenge an embarrassing loss convincingly, and on NMD- I was hoping for better defense and offense from the tip off onward. I hesitated to write this because I do not want to be seen as another wet blanket (we have way too many in scoop). The best part is we won, and later in the game looked pretty damn good. Let's take down DePaul and clinch the BET 5 seed!
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2nd best defensive game of the year, pearl clutchers.
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When Marquette does not do pressure defense in the backcourt, we are just like any other team on defense. Butler was rattled when we started putting some pressure in the backcourt.
Not saying we do it 40 minutes, but it certainly gives MU an edge.
I wonder if our W-L ratio is related to the minutes per game we did backcourt pressure.
Pressing cost us big time earlier in the year...but I would agree with you in this game. We got back in the game with a few turnovers on our press and Oso and Kur on the bench...
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2nd best defensive game of the year, pearl clutchers.
OK. Anonymous Eagle's account of the game is especially good and credits the defensive effort that eventually emerged.
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Defense has been fine outside of the creighton game. You can’t really control much as a defense outside your opponents 2pt FG %. You can cut out 3PA, but you can’t really force a team to shoot poorly from 3 on a game to game basis.
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23 points in the first 7 and a half minutes. 23 points in the second half. Two baskets in the last 8 minutes.
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23 points in the first 7 and a half minutes. 23 points in the second half. Two baskets in the last 8 minutes.
I not sure that it was not due more to poor offense than great defense.
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Due to Stevie Mitchell...
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Due to Stevie Mitchell...
Stevie was the spark we needed.
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I not sure that it was not due more to poor offense than great defense.
I think you meant 'capitalized on an opponent's weakness. '
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Slip sliding away.
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So embarrassing
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We’ve been as bad or worse than a typical Wojo team on defense the last six games
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Slip sliding away.
Not traveling
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I worried about this exact type of breakdown after the Badger game. Hopefully the guys can rally for the tournament, or at least get the offense clicking again.
No, that was just bad defense.
I'm concerned MU will play worse defense as the season progresses because the guys will be worn down, hurt, or fatigued.
I understand why fans find Shaka's style exciting - and it can be when it works. But working or not, it requires a lot of effort every game to sustain. It's not a physically efficient defense.
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I worried about this exact type of breakdown after the Badger game. Hopefully the guys can rally for the tournament, or at least get the offense clicking again.
Seems less like fatigue and more that other teams figured out how to attack it and MU hasn’t adjusted.
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The things that continuously annoy me on the offensive end are:
1. Early shot clock 3s and jumpers, particularly off runouts. We are much more effective attacking the paint. How many momentum killing missed threes are we going to see off of turnovers/runouts before we realize that we should attack the glass and draw fouls?
2. Kolek's drives at the rim are really backfiring because he can't finish, Oso and Kuath generally can't catch the dump off pass unless they see it coming a mile away, and our opponents are wise to his long kickout passes, so they lead to turnovers, blocked shots and transition offense for our opponents.
What does work is Morsell, Lewis and to a lesser extent O-Max getting into the lane with the ball. Those guys can rise and score and demand help defense, which opens up the floor. They all need to be more willing passers when they get there. And for goodness sake, make the simple pass. Don't need style points.
Our opponents are just running Jones and Elliott off the three point line and daring them to put the ball on the floor. They are letting Kolek shoot and not doubling him when he drives and leading him to the shot blocker. They don't worry about doubling our post guys.
I know we want to play fast but this team is better playing slow. Move the ball get into the paint with the guys that can do damage. Work inside out. Get back in transition. Get Lewis in the low post sometimes.
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I agree. When things were going well, we were getting to the basket fairly easily.
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The things that continuously annoy me on the offensive end are:
1. Early shot clock 3s and jumpers, particularly off runouts. We are much more effective attacking the paint. How many momentum killing missed threes are we going to see off of turnovers/runouts before we realize that we should attack the glass and draw fouls?
2. Kolek's drives at the rim are really backfiring because he can't finish, Oso and Kuath generally can't catch the dump off pass unless they see it coming a mile away, and our opponents are wise to his long kickout passes, so they lead to turnovers, blocked shots and transition offense for our opponents.
What does work is Morsell, Lewis and to a lesser extent O-Max getting into the lane with the ball. Those guys can rise and score and demand help defense, which opens up the floor. They all need to be more willing passers when they get there. And for goodness sake, make the simple pass. Don't need style points.
Our opponents are just running Jones and Elliott off the three point line and daring them to put the ball on the floor. They are letting Kolek shoot and not doubling him when he drives and leading him to the shot blocker. They don't worry about doubling our post guys.
I know we want to play fast but this team is better playing slow. Move the ball get into the paint with the guys that can do damage. Work inside out. Get back in transition. Get Lewis in the low post sometimes.
Absolutely spot on. Our offensive issues are causing some of our defensive issues.
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The things that continuously annoy me on the offensive end are:
1. Early shot clock 3s and jumpers, particularly off runouts. We are much more effective attacking the paint. How many momentum killing missed threes are we going to see off of turnovers/runouts before we realize that we should attack the glass and draw fouls?
2. Kolek's drives at the rim are really backfiring because he can't finish, Oso and Kuath generally can't catch the dump off pass unless they see it coming a mile away, and our opponents are wise to his long kickout passes, so they lead to turnovers, blocked shots and transition offense for our opponents.
What does work is Morsell, Lewis and to a lesser extent O-Max getting into the lane with the ball. Those guys can rise and score and demand help defense, which opens up the floor. They all need to be more willing passers when they get there. And for goodness sake, make the simple pass. Don't need style points.
Our opponents are just running Jones and Elliott off the three point line and daring them to put the ball on the floor. They are letting Kolek shoot and not doubling him when he drives and leading him to the shot blocker. They don't worry about doubling our post guys.
I know we want to play fast but this team is better playing slow. Move the ball get into the paint with the guys that can do damage. Work inside out. Get back in transition. Get Lewis in the low post sometimes.
We should have been way up by more than 4 at the end of the first half. I kept yelling at the TV screen. We'd make a great defensive play then rush down the court and make some unnecessary rushed awkward shot for no reason. Take the time and make a better choice shot.
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The things that continuously annoy me on the offensive end are:
1. Early shot clock 3s and jumpers, particularly off runouts. We are much more effective attacking the paint. How many momentum killing missed threes are we going to see off of turnovers/runouts before we realize that we should attack the glass and draw fouls?
2. Kolek's drives at the rim are really backfiring because he can't finish, Oso and Kuath generally can't catch the dump off pass unless they see it coming a mile away, and our opponents are wise to his long kickout passes, so they lead to turnovers, blocked shots and transition offense for our opponents.
What does work is Morsell, Lewis and to a lesser extent O-Max getting into the lane with the ball. Those guys can rise and score and demand help defense, which opens up the floor. They all need to be more willing passers when they get there. And for goodness sake, make the simple pass. Don't need style points.
Our opponents are just running Jones and Elliott off the three point line and daring them to put the ball on the floor. They are letting Kolek shoot and not doubling him when he drives and leading him to the shot blocker. They don't worry about doubling our post guys.
I know we want to play fast but this team is better playing slow. Move the ball get into the paint with the guys that can do damage. Work inside out. Get back in transition. Get Lewis in the low post sometimes.
Great post. The live ball turnovers really hurt us last night. Twice Kolek started their fast break with poor inside out passes, and Jones had at least one as well. I'm sure there were several others, but those really stood out. What a strange season this has been in terms of extreme high and low quality of play on more than an isolated game basis. Unfortunately we are pretty low at the wrong time.
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It seems like we try to go for the kill shot too often. We just need to keep running good offense and extend the lead.
Too often we try plays like the missed oop to Kuath or Jones taking a bomb three.
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I had the opportunity to listen to a part of last night's Marquette radio show and to hear Shaka talk. I am so thrilled that we have him instead of Wojo. I loved the way he broke down and described dot hand contesting as it relates to 3-point defending. It harkens back to when we had Buzz and his ability to tell you and describe to you what he wants. Wojo, not at all. Shaka has a plan and I think our defense will only get better over the years.
To briefly summarize the segment, he was not happy with the defending last night. They had a conversation about it right after the game and the next day. He thought the defending was good in the first half but awful in the second half. Didn't get back on defense to build a wall, didn't have a hand up, were not in good defensive positions and didn't make good offensive decisions with quick shots on offense. Didn't play as a team at all in the second half. All reasons why they gave up 58 points. Talked about 3-point defending and dot hand contest. Wants the opposite hand of the shooter's dominant shooting hand up. Talked about how shooting is very visual so important to have that hand up blocking the view of the basket. So, with a right-handed shooter, he wants to defend with our left hand up. He said if they do it properly, the percentage made for a 3-point shot drops down to 10-20%. If the hand is not up, that percentage made goes to 40-70%. He said Morsell is not good at it. At Maryland, they didn't work on that and he struggles with it. Makes sense as he is only around for less than 1 year. Singled out Stevie as someone who is getting a lot better at it and will continue to improve on it during the next few years. That is why I am so upbeat after the debacle at Depaul. We have a plan that is statistically based and a coach who I believe is able to teach them his players what he wants out of them.
Yesterday was the last radio show of the season, but I will definitely plan on listening to them more next year.