The calendar turns to February, and maquette begins the stereotypical collapse. They were fortunate to have built a buffer in January, but it's time for Shaka to prove he's better than his previous coaching stint showed.
I expect to see adjustments and and absolute beat down on G Town this week. This team isn't good enough to just show up and win. They lost their ranking and now need to play like some "blue collar" players with something to prove.
Go earn your lunch!
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Get a f*cking grip, people.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:01:04 PM
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Get a f*cking grip, people.
Say what ever you want. You know ALL of scoop is thinking it. I'm just stating it.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 06:00:10 PM
The calendar turns to February, and maquette begins the stereotypical collapse. They were fortune it to have built a buffer in January, but it's time for Shaka to prove he's better than his previous coaching stint showed.
I expect to see adjustments and and absolute beat down on G Town this week. This team isn't good enough to just show up and win. They lost their ranking and now need to play like some "blue collar" players with something to prove.
Go earn your lunch!
There it is, the dumbest thread of the night
Turns out, when you win a bunch of games you really should. Sometimes that comes back around.
Won 4 straight SQ losses in a row from the SHU game until the SHU game.
Then you loss a SQ win to Uconn and a game where butler shoots 46% from three
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 06:02:55 PM
Say what ever you want. You know ALL of scoop is thinking it. I'm just stating it.
This is dumber than your initial post.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:03:30 PM
There it is, the dumbest thread of the night
Haven't played this bad since Dec. say whatever you want
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:04:52 PM
This is dumber than your initial post.
Plenty of people even mentioned it during our win streak. Don't printed like it doesn't exist.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
Haven't played this bad since Dec. say whatever you want
What's your point?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
Haven't played this bad since Dec. say whatever you want
Yes, I'll say this is the dumbest thread of the night but it's still early.
#BringBackScoopTakes
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:06:36 PM
What's your point?
Didn't we all agree we wanted to see improvement in Feb? Well, we haven't seen it. Instead it's a regression back to the mean
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 06:06:10 PM
Plenty of people even mentioned it during our win streak. Don't printed like it doesn't exist.
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:06:45 PM
Yes, I'll say this is the dumbest thread of the night but it's still early.
#BringBackScoopTakes
MU has lost 3 out of 4. You can either choose to panic or not.
Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2022, 06:09:09 PM
MU has lost 3 out of 4. You can either choose to panic or not.
It's league play. 3 losses on the road with a home win over Villanova.
UConn has lost 3 of 4. 🤷🏼♂️
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:12:14 PM
It's league play. 3 losses on the road with a home win over Villanova.
UConn has lost 3 of 4. 🤷🏼♂️
UConn has had no trouble kicking our ass.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2022, 06:40:23 PM
UConn has had no trouble kicking our ass.
Now do Marquette and Villanova, Willie.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:06:45 PM
Yes, I'll say this is the dumbest thread of the night but it's still early.
#BringBackScoopTakes
Best post in a long time.
I still think we don't know enough about this team.
They could melt, but they also could show resiliency and come back stronger than before.
Still a full month before the NCAA tourney.
Let's be on the upslope at tourney time.
That Nova win was in February.
We are 1-2 in Feb. Ideal? No. Fade? Also no.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 07:01:28 PM
That Nova win was in February.
We are 1-2 in Feb. Ideal? No. Fade? Also no.
It's early. Haha
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 06:07:30 PM
Didn't we all agree we wanted to see improvement in Feb? Well, we haven't seen it. Instead it's a regression back to the mean
This is why I am so opposed to censorship. Now that I know the full extent of your analysis is limited to wins and losses, exclusive of any other factor, I can feel free to ignore anything else you have to offer.
Quote from: connie on February 12, 2022, 07:21:29 PM
This is why I am so opposed to censorship. Now that I know the full extent of your analysis is limited to wins and losses, exclusive of any other factor, I can feel free to ignore anything else you have to offer.
You're telling me you saw an improved team today vs Dec.?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:30:42 PM
You're telling me you saw an improved team today vs Dec.?
Can't tell if you're trolling or just dumb.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 07:33:03 PM
Can't tell if you're trolling or just dumb.
We looked a lot better against K state then Butler.
K state NET - 68
Butler NET - 132
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:41:56 PM
We looked a lot better against K state then Butler.
K state NET - 68
Butler NET - 132
Thanks for confirming it's dumb.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 07:44:18 PM
Thanks for confirming it's dumb.
Your opinion, is your opinion. Want to argue, give me a stat, from todays game, that proves your point.
You're on the clock
We've come back from a stretch this season where we went 1 for 6 and then went 8 for 9. I wouldn't despair.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:48:34 PM
Your opinion, is your opinion. Want to argue, give me a stat, from todays game, that proves your point.
You're on the clock
Comparing one game from December to one game in February literally tells you nothing, genius. If you don't realize that I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 07:51:42 PM
Comparing one game from December to one game in February literally tells you nothing, genius. If you don't realize that I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you.
Ok, take any statistic from the last 4 games (I'm giving you a game in January by the way) to prove your point.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:48:34 PM
Your opinion, is your opinion. Want to argue, give me a stat, from todays game, that proves your point.
You're on the clock
Georgetown entered the BE Tournament last year at 9-12 and 85th in KenPom. They beat the 12th, 54th and 22nd KenPom teams after routing Marquette in the opener.
The 22nd rated team was Creighton and GTown won by 25. GTown went on to lose by 23 in round 1 of the NCAA tourney while Creighton went to the Sweet 16.
Stuff happens
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:55:44 PM
Ok, take any statistic from the last 4 games (I'm giving you a game in January by the way) to prove your point.
Hahahahahaha. Now it's a 4 game sample size?
Adorable.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:41:56 PM
We looked a lot better against K state then Butler.
K state NET - 68
Butler NET - 132
Yes. Let's just use two data points and ignore everything in between. 🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 07:55:44 PM
Ok, take any statistic from the last 4 games (I'm giving you a game in January by the way) to prove your point.
In the last 4 games we are 34/96 from 3 which is 35.4%. Which is better than what we shot as a team the entire first two months.
So theres a 1 stat.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 07:56:51 PM
Hahahahahaha. Now it's a 4 game sample size?
Adorable.
Umm... the name of this thread references just the month of February, so yea I can only give you 4 games max
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 08:03:39 PM
Umm... the name of this thread references just the month of February, so yea I can only give you 4 games max
Thanks again for confirming. :o
To "fade in February" you have to compare it to something. Which is it?
@Uncle Rico
@fluffy blue Monster
@Vander Blue Man Group
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1492687645562048513?s=10
This is a statistic that makes me nervous about the rest of the season.
I hope like hell that this team turns it around. BUT to have lost 3 of 4 and just played your WORST game since 2008 against a team with a NET ranking of 132 has "Feb Fade" written all over it.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 10:03:35 PM
@Uncle Rico
@fluffy blue Monster
@Vander Blue Man Group
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1492687645562048513?s=10
This is a statistic that makes me nervous about the rest of the season.
I hope like hell that this team turns it around. BUT to have lost 3 of 4 and just played your WORST game since 2008 against a team with a NET ranking of 132 has "Feb Fade" written all over it.
Do you understand what "sample size" means?
Embarrassing.
It's unnerving how bad they've played
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 10:31:58 PM
Do you understand what "sample size" means?
Embarrassing.
Do you understand I'm talking about February? I'm asking you evaluate every game in February and even the last part of January.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 10:34:28 PM
Do you understand I'm talking about February? I'm asking you evaluate every game in February and even the last part of January.
I don't care about your arbitrary end points. Do you understand I think what you're freaking out about is so incredibly stupid I'm not sure how to respond?
Then DON't respond ! ! ! Not worth it !! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 10:37:11 PM
I don't care about your arbitrary end points. Do you understand I think what you're freaking out about is so incredibly stupid I'm not sure how to respond?
I'm upset the team has lost 3 of 4 and just had their worst performance since 2008. That's not an opinion, it's fact.
I, just like you, want Shaka to succeed. However he needs to same some freaking adjustments (like all good coaches do). the scouting report is out on Marquette.
I don't understand why anyone would say it's stupid to be questioning what will happen the rest of the month/season.
Will Shaka make the right adjustments or will he fold like Wojo did? It's an honest question.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
I'm upset the team has lost 3 of 4 and just had their worst performance since 2008. That's not an opinion, it's fact.
I, just like you, want Shaka to succeed. However he needs to same some freaking adjustments (like all good coaches do). the scouting report is out on Marquette.
I don't understand why anyone would say it's stupid to be questioning what will happen the rest of the month/season.
Will Shaka make the right adjustments or will he fold like Wojo did? It's an honest question.
There is literally zero reason to compare to Wojo. This isn't complicated.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 11:43:57 PM
There is literally zero reason to compare to Wojo. This isn't complicated.
Wrong. And it goes even deeper.
Deep down, Buzz knew that his successor would always pull the late-season el foldo, so that's why his 2014 team folded.
I mean, that's just science!
Quote from: MU82 on February 12, 2022, 11:49:34 PM
Wrong. And it goes even deeper.
Deep down, Buzz knew that his successor would always pull the late-season el foldo, so that's why his 2014 team folded.
I mean, that's just science!
You got me. And now that you mention it I suspect this goes back to Mike Deane and Bart Miller.
At least we know BlueMan is this way for all sports teams he likes, not just the Chicago professional sports teams. If anyone dares criticize any of those teams he's in all out war mode.
It's okay to be critical of a team you like. The team stunk today, flat out. And they didn't play well at UCONN this week either. Are people overreacting? Some. But the team didn't play well this week and it'd be nice to see that turn around. It's a message board. It's okay to discuss the negatives.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 10:03:35 PM
@Uncle Rico
@fluffy blue Monster
@Vander Blue Man Group
https://twitter.com/painttouches/status/1492687645562048513?s=10
This is a statistic that makes me nervous about the rest of the season.
I hope like hell that this team turns it around. BUT to have lost 3 of 4 and just played your WORST game since 2008 against a team with a NET ranking of 132 has "Feb Fade" written all over it.
Why are you tagging me? You said "You're telling me you saw an improved team today vs Dec.?"
They looked bad yesterday. They looked bad in December. But they looked really good in between and for some reason you are ignoring that.
And no they didn't have their worst game since 2008. They had their worst game defensively since 2008.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 13, 2022, 01:03:10 AM
At least we know BlueMan is this way for all sports teams he likes, not just the Chicago professional sports teams. If anyone dares criticize any of those teams he's in all out war mode.
It's okay to be critical of a team you like. The team stunk today, flat out. And they didn't play well at UCONN this week either. Are people overreacting? Some. But the team didn't play well this week and it'd be nice to see that turn around. It's a message board. It's okay to discuss the negatives.
I see comprehension is still a serious problem for you.
This has nothing to do with criticism. Marquette was, for the most part, awful yesterday. What it does have to do with is abject stupidity and unnecessary panic. But please, explain to me how comparing single games from months apart to reach a conclusion is astute analysis. Please tell me how Wojo's late season results are in any way relevant to a team that has a new staff and only 3 returning players, one of whom is a strong contender for BEPOY.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 11:43:57 PM
There is literally zero reason to compare to Wojo. This isn't complicated.
Ok take Wojo out it. Will Shaka make the right adjustments or will he fold? It's an honest question and one that it totally appropriate to be asking about a first year coach.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 07:11:53 AM
Ok take Wojo out it. Will Shaka make the right adjustments or will he fold? It's an honest question and one that it totally appropriate to be asking about a first year coach.
And I don't really have any issue with that question, although I'm not concerned enough at this point to ask it.
Quote from: muhoops1 on February 12, 2022, 10:33:28 PM
It's unnerving how bad they've played
Hmm...I wonder how much influence Vegas has on these games.
Ok, enough with outrageous speculation and lets see if we can win all our home games and take at least one of the remaining road games.
Quote from: WithoutBias on February 13, 2022, 01:03:10 AM
At least we know BlueMan is this way for all sports teams he likes, not just the Chicago professional sports teams. If anyone dares criticize any of those teams he's in all out war mode.
It's okay to be critical of a team you like. The team stunk today, flat out. And they didn't play well at UCONN this week either. Are people overreacting? Some. But the team didn't play well this week and it'd be nice to see that turn around. It's a message board. It's okay to discuss the negatives.
Great point, easily forgotten. It is healthy to discuss other viewpoints.
I think we'll win out. At DeP will be tough...they looked stout last night at Providence...but I believe we'll hold home court, get the W at Creighton and DeP. 13-6 BE record would be incredible. Even if just 1-1 in the BE tourney, should be at least a 6-seed in the ncaa, imo.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 07:11:53 AM
Ok take Wojo out it. Will Shaka make the right adjustments or will he fold? It's an honest question and one that it totally appropriate to be asking about a first year coach.
Well, he's not a first year coach. He has a decade under his belt
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 07:11:53 AM
Ok take Wojo out it. Will Shaka make the right adjustments or will he fold? It's an honest question and one that it totally appropriate to be asking about a first year coach.
The 4 game sample size you are talking about, MU was supposed to go 1-3 and went 1-3.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2022, 08:28:47 AM
Well, he's not a first year coach. He has a decade under his belt
Have you read the Texas board? ALOT of posters have said they felt our Jan. success would be short lived and that our coach would "Shaka it up". Now we've lost 3 of 4 and are coming off our worst defensive performance since 2008... under a coach that emphasizes team defense.
Not sure how any of this qualifies as dumb/stupid to bring up and question.
Listen, I think we'll find a way, but this month has given me pause.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Have you read the Texas board? ALOT of posters have said they felt our Jan. success would be short lived and that our coach would "Shaka it up". Now we've lost 3 of 4 and are coming off our worst defensive performance since 2008... under a coach that emphasizes team defense.
Not sure how any of this qualifies as dumb/stupid to bring up and question.
Listen, I think we'll find a way, but this month has given me pause.
No, I don't read Texas message boards
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Have you read the Texas board? ALOT of posters have said they felt our Jan. success would be short lived and that our coach would "Shaka it up". Now we've lost 3 of 4 and are coming off our worst defensive performance since 2008... under a coach that emphasizes team defense.
Not sure how any of this qualifies as dumb/stupid to bring up and question.
Listen, I think we'll find a way, but this month has given me pause.
Yep, pay more attention to losing 3 of 4, including two on the road against good teams, than winning 8 of 9. Makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 13, 2022, 09:39:30 AM
Yep, pay more attention to losing 3 of 4, including two on the road against good teams, than winning 8 of 9. Makes perfect sense.
Incorrect, in order to have a fade, you first need to have had success, which we have and I recognize
Just a wild thought, but hear me out ... how about fans stop telling other fans what they should and should not think and how they should and should not react.
Want to panic? Cool, go panic.
Want to shrug and think 'no big deal'? Cool, shrug and think 'no big deal.'
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Have you read the Texas board? ALOT of posters have said they felt our Jan. success would be short lived and that our coach would "Shaka it up". Now we've lost 3 of 4 and are coming off our worst defensive performance since 2008... under a coach that emphasizes team defense.
Not sure how any of this qualifies as dumb/stupid to bring up and question.
Listen, I think we'll find a way, but this month has given me pause.
We all know that message boards are the place for cool and calm discussion between fans who set their emotions aside, and who are truly knowledgeable about the sports they follow. Therefore I am now panicked because of what Texas fans think about Shaka Smart. At this point, I hope we manage to make the NIT.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 13, 2022, 10:24:37 AM
Just a wild thought, but hear me out ... how about fans stop telling other fans what they should and should not think and how they should and should not react.
Want to panic? Cool, go panic.
Want to shrug and think 'no big deal'? Cool, shrug and think 'no big deal.'
No
Bad loss, crap lost, scoopers blasting each other. To borrow from the Mandalorian, This is the way.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 13, 2022, 10:24:37 AM
Just a wild thought, but hear me out ... how about fans stop telling other fans what they should and should not think and how they should and should not react.
Want to panic? Cool, go panic.
Want to shrug and think 'no big deal'? Cool, shrug and think 'no big deal.'
This is the way, and not just for basketball.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 13, 2022, 10:24:37 AM
Just a wild thought, but hear me out ... how about fans stop telling other fans what they should and should not think and how they should and should not react.
Want to panic? Cool, go panic.
Want to shrug and think 'no big deal'? Cool, shrug and think 'no big deal.'
Sir, this is Scoop
In the last 2 weeks, including the Providence game, MU is the 65th best team in the country, not great, not terrible.
Providence is 4-0 and is the 64th best team.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2022&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20220130&end=20220501&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:12:14 PM
It's league play. 3 losses on the road with a home win over Villanova.
UConn has lost 3 of 4. 🤷🏼♂️
Top teams should win on the road against Butler.
UConn beat our ass both games.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 13, 2022, 03:23:39 PM
Top teams should win on the road against Butler.
UConn beat our ass both games.
UConn is a better team. There are no givens in sports, only idiot fans
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2022, 03:24:45 PM
UConn is a better team. There are no givens in sports, only idiot fans
Idiot fans are the 'given'.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2022, 03:24:45 PM
UConn is a better team. There are no givens in sports, only idiot fans
Thanks for stating that UConn is better. Wish we were.
When we beat Georgetown on Wednesday, tranquility will be restored in Scooptown.
Only if MU wins 90-20
February fade is a stretch that is exacerbated by the wojo years, that's not fair to coach Shaka.
That said, playing down to competition is a legitimate comparison imo.
That is because we have see in from this Shaka squad several times this season.
Now, plenty of those were early before this team became this team and we saw the basketball we saw over the last month.
Losses @Providence and @UConn, close losses at that, are of ZERO concern. Those are two top 4 league teams on the road. That's why the idea of a "February fade" is silly.
Heck, even a loss at Butler typically isn't a big concern imo- but this Butler squad isn't quite as good as they have been and it was another game where Marquette played down to competition this season.
Coach Shaka has a recent history of fumbling some big time games to teams he shouldn't have lost to (mostly at his previous stop) so that is a legitimate concern for the time being.
I came into this stretch that began against Butler thinking to myself that it might end up being one of the hardest of the season for Shaka, not because the opponents are the hardest but because the expectations are.
This team has way exceeded expectations and now gets a month full of games it's expected to win before the conference tournament and big dance, and that's not the easiest thing in the world to coach up.
Lets keep the big picture in mind- still need two more wins to get to 10-9 in conference and clinch a bid- everything after that is "gravy."
Have 3 home games versus lower half competition so that should be doable fairly comfortably.
Sure 2-3 with an early exit in the conf tournament would have everyone here reeling but a bid is a bid, and anythings possible in the big dance.
One win in the NCAA tournament is the goal I've set, a goal I considered pretty unlikely before the season started.
Need Marquette and Shaka to get the recent monkey off the back this season
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 13, 2022, 07:53:54 PM
When we beat Georgetown on Wednesday, tranquility will be restored in Scooptown.
You must be new here.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Have you read the Texas board? ALOT of posters have said they felt our Jan. success would be short lived and that our coach would "Shaka it up". Now we've lost 3 of 4 and are coming off our worst defensive performance since 2008... under a coach that emphasizes team defense.
Not sure how any of this qualifies as dumb/stupid to bring up and question.
Listen, I think we'll find a way, but this month has given me pause.
Let's play a game that allows us to switch wins and losses around in any order you want to for any BE team:
Nova plays Marquette in two consecutive games and loses both. Then they win a BE game (you choose) followed by blowout loss to Creighton. There! Now we have 3 out of 4 losses. Note that unlike your 4 game Marquette sample, Nova lost one of the games on their on- campus court where they were 44-1. Also note the loss to Creighton is a blowout, unlike our Butler game. But wait! It gets better. The next game, Nova gets stomped by Baylor! This is fun, isn't it? Then someone on the Nova board writes "Have you read the Baylor board? You should see what they are saying about Jay Wright!"
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 12, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
just had their worst performance since 2008.
Defensively. But last I checked we were pretty good in 2008.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 13, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Have you read the Texas board? ALOT of posters have said they felt our Jan. success would be short lived and that our coach would "Shaka it up". Now we've lost 3 of 4 and are coming off our worst defensive performance since 2008... under a coach that emphasizes team defense.
Not sure how any of this qualifies as dumb/stupid to bring up and question.
Listen, I think we'll find a way, but this month has given me pause.
Sure, and half the posters on that thread are confusing the Big East with the A10... take what they say with a grain of salt... because that's what most of them are. There's a few level headed posters there, but mixed in with a whole lot of bitter folks who only watch basketball in March and are still reeling from their ACU loss.
Nothing to be concerned about yet. If we drop the next two or look uninspired, then I'll be a bit worried. As of now, we're in excellent position to be in the 5-7 seed range and every single one of us would have taken that prior to the year.
Wednesday against Georgetown is gonna be a rock fight.
Georgetown is hungry for their 1st win. They've hung around lately with a few teams but just haven't been able to finish the job. They are getting close.
They've got shooters and size needed to pull off an upset.
I am not concerned at all. We dropped our first bad game of the year. Happens almost every year to every team. We lost to Green Bay in 2013 the year we went to the E8. Hinkle has our number and we ran into a buzzsaw. Butler has been playing halfway decent as of late. Lost on the road to Creighton by 2, on the road to Xavier by 2, and by 3 to St. John's. Let's take care of business the rest of the way and lock in that 5-7 seed.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2022, 10:58:45 AM
Wednesday against Georgetown is gonna be a rock fight.
Georgetown is hungry for their 1st win. They've hung around lately with a few teams but just haven't been able to finish the job. They are getting close.
They've got shooters and size needed to pull off an upset.
Georgetown stinks and they're playing like they've quit on Ewing. They're the perfect get right home game.
Quote from: panda on February 14, 2022, 11:07:55 AM
Georgetown stinks and they're playing like they've quit on Ewing. They're the perfect get right home game.
Butler also stinks.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2022, 10:58:45 AM
Wednesday against Georgetown is gonna be a rock fight.
Georgetown is hungry for their 1st win. They've hung around lately with a few teams but just haven't been able to finish the job. They are getting close.
They've got shooters and size needed to pull off an upset.
Georgetown is one of the worst major teams of all-time. They can be as hangry as they want. If Marquette loses, it'll be because of Marquette playing down to them
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2022, 11:14:25 AM
Butler also stinks.
Not even a close comparison between those two teams this year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2022, 11:14:25 AM
Butler also stinks.
Butler has been solid for the last month. Georgetown has not.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 13, 2022, 08:53:57 PM
February fade is a stretch that is exacerbated by the wojo years, that's not fair to coach Shaka.
That said, playing down to competition is a legitimate comparison imo.
That is because we have see in from this Shaka squad several times this season.
Now, plenty of those were early before this team became this team and we saw the basketball we saw over the last month.
Losses @Providence and @UConn, close losses at that, are of ZERO concern. Those are two top 4 league teams on the road. That's why the idea of a "February fade" is silly.
Heck, even a loss at Butler typically isn't a big concern imo- but this Butler squad isn't quite as good as they have been and it was another game where Marquette played down to competition this season.
Coach Shaka has a recent history of fumbling some big time games to teams he shouldn't have lost to (mostly at his previous stop) so that is a legitimate concern for the time being.
I came into this stretch that began against Butler thinking to myself that it might end up being one of the hardest of the season for Shaka, not because the opponents are the hardest but because the expectations are.
This team has way exceeded expectations and now gets a month full of games it's expected to win before the conference tournament and big dance, and that's not the easiest thing in the world to coach up.
Lets keep the big picture in mind- still need two more wins to get to 10-9 in conference and clinch a bid- everything after that is "gravy."
Have 3 home games versus lower half competition so that should be doable fairly comfortably.
Sure 2-3 with an early exit in the conf tournament would have everyone here reeling but a bid is a bid, and anythings possible in the big dance.
One win in the NCAA tournament is the goal I've set, a goal I considered pretty unlikely before the season started.
Need Marquette and Shaka to get the recent monkey off the back this season
This has been a very entertaining season and the team has performed wildly beyond my expectations. There are few close games that went our way and a few that didn't. We know the team is better than what we played last Saturday. We ought to win our home games and split our two road games, but even if they don't that would make us 16 and 14 for the season which is better than I would have expected.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 14, 2022, 10:58:45 AM
Wednesday against Georgetown is gonna be a rock fight.
Georgetown is hungry for their 1st win. They've hung around lately with a few teams but just haven't been able to finish the job. They are getting close.
They've got shooters and size needed to pull off an upset.
Rock fight? OK. If you say so. Well, we agree on the "haven't been able to finish the job" part, so there's that.
As Panda pointed out, it looks like they have quit on Ewing. I'll give you this much- anything is possible. But probable? No.
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If we lose Wednesday, this place will be a
(https://www.completeset.com/content/images/2020/11/100-soft-dumpster-fire.gif)
and rightly so.
But we ain't gonna lose Wednesday.
Quote from: 1SE on February 14, 2022, 02:52:32 PM
If we lose Wednesday, this place will be a
(https://www.completeset.com/content/images/2020/11/100-soft-dumpster-fire.gif)
and rightly so.
But we ain't gonna lose Wednesday.
Isn't it already? :-X
Quote from: muwarrior97 on February 14, 2022, 03:17:27 PM
Isn't it already? :-X
I don't understand the use of teal here
Quote from: BM1090 on February 14, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
Nothing to be concerned about yet. If we drop the next two or look uninspired, then I'll be a bit worried. As of now, we're in excellent position to be in the 5-7 seed range and every single one of us would have taken that prior to the year.
I am concerned about a few things.
1. Kolek was really a driving force behind the offense when we were rolling and moving the ball so well. The past couple opponents wised up and did not abandon their man when Kolek drove, thus taking away his passing angles and forcing him to take tough shots when help finally came from a big under he basket (whoever was guarding our C). We have to counter that. Also, as others have mentioned, Kolek's drives into the lane are now leaving us susceptible to runouts.
2. Teams have also wised up to our defensive style which is prone to allowing putbacks. Providence and UConn particularly saw the value of getting the ball up on the rim and attacking the glass.
3. We are back to taking those early 3's that are not the step in rhythm kind that have high probability of success. I'd like more patience, probe the lane a little and hopefully get more kickouts to jump shooters, who will have to be coming off of off the ball screens now.
Again, no new ground above, but I haven't seen what we're going to do as countermeasures, either. A convincing win over Georgetown won't do much to ease my concerns, but we have some winnable tests coming. I suspect we'll try some new wrinkles, and I'll be interested in them.
CT Warrior
I am pretty sure Jay Wright knew how to stop Kolek and our defense and we never trailed in the second game. It is a long season and a couple of bumps in the road is bound to happen. I still have confidence in a strong finish and at least one victory at the NCAA.
I say if all the time, this should be the least talented Shaka led team he has during his team here. Better teams will be judged differently IMO, this is a fun team, but flawed.
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2022, 03:41:24 PM
CT Warrior
I am pretty sure Jay Wright knew how to stop Kolek and our defense and we never trailed in the second game. It is a long season and a couple of bumps in the road is bound to happen. I still have confidence in a strong finish and at least one victory at the NCAA.
I say if all the time, this should be the least talented Shaka led team he has during his team here. Better teams will be judged differently IMO, this is a fun team, but flawed.
Well, Nova does not attack the offensive glass with multiple athletes, which is a big reason why I think they are a good matchup for us. They get back to prevent easy baskets.
Some might say it's Shaka's first test.
If I'm not the poster child for calling out Wojo's late season collapses, then I'm close.
And even I think this is new level stupid.
Can we now be honest with ourselves and admit that a February Fade is a real thing? i saw it after the 2/12 Butler game, the team seemed to be in auto pilot, emotionally empty after a 9 game Big East gantlet. It seemed like they forgot about the rest of league play.
Honest question, is this a product of better scouting, more tape on our team. Or something entirely different? I just can't wrap my head around how this team can beat teams like Nova and Providence, but cant take care of business against the bottom half of the conference.
Kur is no longer protecting the rim like he once did, Elliot is ice cold (29%), Tyler is lost, DEEP in his own head... the list can just go on.
Crazy how we were once ranked 18, and are now trying to prove we still deserve to be in the tournament.
5-7 seed? I have a bridge to sell you....
looking like a 9 seed....
Quote from: BM1090 on February 14, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
Nothing to be concerned about yet. If we drop the next two or look uninspired, then I'll be a bit worried. As of now, we're in excellent position to be in the 5-7 seed range and every single one of us would have taken that prior to the year.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 03, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
5-7 seed? I have a bridge to sell you....
looking like a 9 seed....
That post was 2 weeks ago, and correct *at the time*
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
That post was 2 weeks ago, and correct *at the time*
Hell, it would've been correct today had we held on last night.
I feel like this team is good only when they are coming from being down. Many W's this year were after being down for a good part of the game.
MU struggles to close it out when they are winning for much of the game, games they are "supposed" to win.
Seems like the same is happening on a season-wide scale. MU got to #18 and they flipped from being the hunter, to the hunted, just trying to get the season over.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 03, 2022, 12:22:27 PM
I feel like this team is good only when they are coming from being down. Many W's this year were after being down for a good part of the game.
MU struggles to close it out when they are winning for much of the game, games they are "supposed" to win.
Seems like the same is happening on a season-wide scale. MU got to #18 and they flipped from being the hunter, to the hunted, just trying to get the season over.
This team seems better as an underdog, whether it's going into the game (Illinois, Villanova) or after falling behind (Ole Miss, WVU). That's actually consistent with Shaka, he had an incredible cover rate at Texas as an underdog.
my bad, did not see the thread bump
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
That post was 2 weeks ago, and correct *at the time*
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on March 03, 2022, 09:55:32 AM
Can we now be honest with ourselves and admit that a February Fade is a real thing?
Well, it was February and we faded, so sure. Have to come up with another alliteration for March, though. March Misstep? March Mess? March Misadventure? March Mediocrity?
But it's not a "real thing" merely because our uniforms say Marquette on the front and "Marquette always fades." That's just silly.
Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2022, 02:36:43 PM
Well, it was February and we faded, so sure. Have to come up with another alliteration for March, though. March Misstep? March Mess? March Misadventure? March Mediocrity?
But it's not a "real thing" merely because our uniforms say Marquette on the front and "Marquette always fades." That's just silly.
MU hasn't won since they changed the logo.
I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere but any truth to tired legs having something to do with so many frosh getting used to the grind?
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on March 03, 2022, 07:15:24 PM
I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere but any truth to tired legs having something to do with so many frosh getting used to the grind?
We've been told this is not an acceptable excuse
We're tired, we're young, all echoes of the Wojo years.
We're 2-4 (and 3-5) AFTER completing the tough part of our schedule. Is it not possible to keep kids this age focused longer than three months?
Come on, Shaka, show us what you can do Saturday. Kamikaze effort at both ends, and get it done!
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 03, 2022, 07:49:45 PM
We've been told this is not an acceptable excuse
The Freshman haven't looked like the tired ones. Its been guys like Greg, Justin, Kur who have looked tired mostly defensively.
On the good news front for Marquette, Michigan just lost their 13th game of the year and the NCAA wants them in the tournament. No way you can put them in and leave Marquette out so we should be safe!
That being said, there's still a small window to a 7 seed and I'd like to get there. Let's win some games!
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 03, 2022, 07:49:45 PM
We've been told this is not an acceptable excuse
Oh no, not the marquette is tired while everyone else is immune argument.
Quote from: #UnleashGreg on March 04, 2022, 01:53:20 AM
Oh no, not the marquette is tired while everyone else is immune argument.
Yes, can we please stop this right now- especially since Marquette has and plays a relatively deep bench.
Quote from: #UnleashGreg on March 04, 2022, 01:53:20 AM
Oh no, not the marquette is tired while everyone else is immune argument.
Yes! Tired legs, to be specific. And all the other BE coaches have figured out Marquette but Shaka has not learned anything from playing against them. Don't forget the bad shooting background at Fiserv.
But we are guaranteed a win on senior night.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 04, 2022, 07:35:49 AM
Yes! Tired legs, to be specific. And all the other BE coaches have figured out Marquette but Shaka has not learned anything from playing against them. Don't forget the bad shooting background at Fiserv.
Quote from: 1SE on March 04, 2022, 03:44:28 AM
Yes, can we please stop this right now- especially since Marquette has and plays a relatively deep bench.
But very young
Quote from: #UnleashGreg on March 04, 2022, 01:53:20 AM
Oh no, not the marquette is tired while everyone else is immune argument.
Nova seems to rely on 6-7 guys every year. Never hear about them being tired.
Quote from: StillWarriors on March 04, 2022, 11:47:54 AM
Nova seems to rely on 6-7 guys every year. Never hear about them being tired.
To me the hitting of the wall would be as much mental as physical. MU only played 27 games last year. Kolek only played in 22 games last year.
This is kind of the team I was expecting to see for most of the year, so I'm not too worried. I was hoping we'd have looked better now than earlier in the year. So that has me slightly concerned. On the whole though, the season has definitely exceeded my expectations.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 04, 2022, 12:13:59 PM
To me the hitting of the wall would be as much mental as physical. MU only played 27 games last year. Kolek only played in 22 games last year.
This is kind of the team I was expecting to see for most of the year, so I'm not too worried. I was hoping we'd have looked better now than earlier in the year. So that has me slightly concerned. On the whole though, the season has definitely exceeded my expectations.
I think a lot is mental. They're wearing it on their sleeve right now. Good time for Shaka to go back to the "let your hair down and play for each other" discussion. The abilities are there, but everyone is in their own head right now.
Again, no one is saying this is unique to MU. But the best teams are the ones who can deal with it. MU doesn't have the experience or talent to do that as well as other teams yet.
All part of the growth process for these guys.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 04, 2022, 12:26:15 PM
Again, no one is saying this is unique to MU. But the best teams are the ones who can deal with it. MU doesn't have the experience or talent to do that as well as other teams yet.
All part of the growth process for these guys.
I think it's all mental. Hopefully Shaka and the boys all keep their chins up and fight, every single play. Culture takes time.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 04, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
Culture takes time.
Sure, but I don't think the recent problems are a culture issue, it's more a talent issue that many noticed before the season ever started. Hopefully they can stitch a few more good games together yet this year.
Marquette has a lot of one dimensional players. Kolek controls the game as a ball handler and play maker, but he's not really a threat to score. Teams have adjusted and not collapsing their defense on his drive/the pick and roll. Kur and Oso are roll guys on the pick and roll and go to block shots defensively. Teams are keeping their bigs attached to them on the roll. OMax is a straight line driver who doesn't pass out of the drive often at all. Greg, Joplin, and Jones are guys teams are running off the three point line.
Lewis and Morsell are the only multilevel scorers we have, with Kam occasionally being able to get to the rim to score. Morsell is too inconsistent. Lewis is the only one with the ability and consistency to carry the team.
Defensively, teams are attacking the back end of the press again. When they're forced into a half court offense, they're giving MU a taste of their own medicine. Getting into the lane, forcing the defense to collapse, and taking advantage of the defense over helping. Teams are back door cutting on the over help/collapse, and then when the defense rotates on that, the kick to the three is wide open.
The rotation is like 11 guys. They're 18-23 year olds playing twice a week. They're not tired. They're limited and scouted.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 04, 2022, 01:24:38 PM
Sure, but I don't think the recent problems are a culture issue, it's more a talent issue that many noticed before the season ever started. Hopefully they can stitch a few more good games together yet this year.
I'm not so sure. For me the body language, the accountability (which is improving), the lack of full effort every play, mindset after mistakes, making the same ones is culture. They are talented enough to win any game, and lose any game quite frankly, mentally, not quite there yet. Perhaps I put too much emphasis on the mental side, you're right, it is major college basketball where talent often wins out over effort and mental toughness.
I would add, we are a collection of new players either new to college Bball or new to Shaka. Some of those guys transferred in and need to adjust their mental strength and mindset. That's culture, and maybe substantially different from where they came from. Clearly we can play, also clearly we lose our mental edge.
I have no doubt Shaka has this program pointed in the right direction. Even with a loss tomorrow, 10-9 is far better than I expected this group to be. Its been a fun year. I certainly didn't expect Justin to become a legitimate 1st round NBA talent and BE 1st teamer. That's helped a lot. Morsell has been up and down and largely what I expected - perhaps a tad better of offense, but not quite as good of a defender as billed. Kam has been a surprise at the times. The rest of the roster has largely been what I expected - a bunch of role players and younger guys trying to find their way, none of them consistently producing. Some nice upside in OMax and Oso that I certainly look forward to down the road.
All in all, its really hard to look at this season as a whole and be disappointed. We're a lock for the NCAA tournament - yes, even if they lose 2 more in a row, they're going to get in. I am pleased. Just hope we can get a bit more excitement before its all over. Would suck to finish the season with whimper, especially with no baseball to look forward to.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2022, 02:45:48 PM
I have no doubt Shaka has this program pointed in the right direction. Even with a loss tomorrow, 10-9 is far better than I expected this group to be. Its been a fun year. I certainly didn't expect Justin to become a legitimate 1st round NBA talent and BE 1st teamer. That's helped a lot. Morsell has been up and down and largely what I expected - perhaps a tad better of offense, but not quite as good of a defender as billed. Kam has been a surprise at the times. The rest of the roster has largely been what I expected - a bunch of role players and younger guys trying to find their way, none of them consistently producing. Some nice upside in OMax and Oso that I certainly look forward to down the road.
All in all, its really hard to look at this season as a whole and be disappointed. We're a lock for the NCAA tournament - yes, even if they lose 2 more in a row, they're going to get in. I am pleased. Just hope we can get a bit more excitement before its all over. Would suck to finish the season with whimper, especially with no baseball to look forward to.
At the start of the season, I said there was no reason why MU wouldn't be the Big East middle of the pack. Usually there's 2-3 really good teams that will sweep us, 2-3 really bad teams that we will sweep, and a bunch of teams in the middle where splitting the two games make sense.
To be fair, I thought the two teams that would sweep us would be UConn and Villanova, and the three teams we'd sweep would be DePaul, Butler and Georgetown, and our record would wind up at 11-9. Instead, we swept Villanova, Seton Hall, and Georgetown, and got swept by UConn and Creighton. Splits with PC, Butler, Xavier, and DePaul (with St. John's still to play). We're going to finish 10-9 or 11-8, right where I expected.
So from a satisfaction level this year, I'm not disappointed at all. My bigger disappointment with this season is that don't appear to be as well-positioned for the future as I hoped we would be.
Creighton was probably our closest peer in terms of rebuilding, and it looks like their frosh-heavy roster is a step ahead of ours. I dont' see anything that suggests that we're going leapfrog them. Vilanova is reloading, and under Jay Wright probably won't be any worse than they were this year--same as the last decade. UConn is already top 3 in the league largely and accomplished it with talent recruited when they were in a terrible conference. They're showing a talent upgrade, reaping the benefit of Big East membership on the recruiting trail.
Would anyone argue that based on what we see right now, those three teams are likely to finish 1/2/3 in the 2023 Big East season, and all three more likely to sweep us than not?
Where do our wins come from? The first six come from sweeping Georgetown, Butler, and a rebuilding Providence. And the next four are splits with an improving DePaul, always tough St. Johns, our nemesis Seton Hall and the enigmatic Xavier (who will have significantly more raw talent but probably still be coached by Travis "Wojo" Steele.
I think 10-10 next year isn't unlikely, and 4th place looks like a ceiling--and I was hoping that at the end of this season we'd see a path to a top 3 finish.
Quote from: BLM on March 04, 2022, 01:26:44 PM
Marquette has a lot of one dimensional players. Kolek controls the game as a ball handler and play maker, but he's not really a threat to score. Teams have adjusted and not collapsing their defense on his drive/the pick and roll. Kur and Oso are roll guys on the pick and roll and go to block shots defensively. Teams are keeping their bigs attached to them on the roll. OMax is a straight line driver who doesn't pass out of the drive often at all. Greg, Joplin, and Jones are guys teams are running off the three point line.
Lewis and Morsell are the only multilevel scorers we have, with Kam occasionally being able to get to the rim to score. Morsell is too inconsistent. Lewis is the only one with the ability and consistency to carry the team.
Defensively, teams are attacking the back end of the press again. When they're forced into a half court offense, they're giving MU a taste of their own medicine. Getting into the lane, forcing the defense to collapse, and taking advantage of the defense over helping. Teams are back door cutting on the over help/collapse, and then when the defense rotates on that, the kick to the three is wide open.
The rotation is like 11 guys. They're 18-23 year olds playing twice a week. They're not tired. They're limited and scouted.
Very fair post.
We had a couple of stretches - the 5-0 start and the 8-1 run from 1/4 to 2/2 - during which guys like Morsell, Kolek, O-Max and Elliott took turns playing at levels they had never played at before; Lewis excelled almost every game; we got big contributions from the likes of Kam, Kur and even Joplin; we pulled off some stunning end-of-game plays (Kolek vs Illinois, Elliott vs Hall, Lewis vs Nova); and, let's face it, we might have been a little fortunate at times too.
As you said, everybody knows what we want to do on O and D now, and they're taking away those things or attacking us differently. Our guys also haven't played at the same high level -- Kam and Greg have been spotty from 3, Morsell has 1 great game and 3 meh games, Kolek has been frustrated and even had to be benched, Kuath's face is on the side of a milk carton, Lewis hasn't been automatic, etc. And maybe we've been a little unlucky too.
We can point to games we "should have" won ... and objective folks also can point to games we maybe "should have" lost. It feels like we're about where we should be, record-wise.
We're a decent team that has had some good games, a few great games, and a few bad games. The second half against DePaul was as bad as our guys have played all season, and that's coloring a lot of Scoopers' thinking right now.
Long-term, I'm still bullish on Shaka's program.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 04, 2022, 04:14:51 PM
At the start of the season, I said there was no reason why MU wouldn't be the Big East middle of the pack. Usually there's 2-3 really good teams that will sweep us, 2-3 really bad teams that we will sweep, and a bunch of teams in the middle where splitting the two games make sense.
To be fair, I thought the two teams that would sweep us would be UConn and Villanova, and the three teams we'd sweep would be DePaul, Butler and Georgetown, and our record would wind up at 11-9. Instead, we swept Villanova, Seton Hall, and Georgetown, and got swept by UConn and Creighton. Splits with PC, Butler, Xavier, and DePaul (with St. John's still to play). We're going to finish 10-9 or 11-8, right where I expected.
So from a satisfaction level this year, I'm not disappointed at all. My bigger disappointment with this season is that don't appear to be as well-positioned for the future as I hoped we would be.
Creighton was probably our closest peer in terms of rebuilding, and it looks like their frosh-heavy roster is a step ahead of ours. I dont' see anything that suggests that we're going leapfrog them. Vilanova is reloading, and under Jay Wright probably won't be any worse than they were this year--same as the last decade. UConn is already top 3 in the league largely and accomplished it with talent recruited when they were in a terrible conference. They're showing a talent upgrade, reaping the benefit of Big East membership on the recruiting trail.
Would anyone argue that based on what we see right now, those three teams are likely to finish 1/2/3 in the 2023 Big East season, and all three more likely to sweep us than not?
Where do our wins come from? The first six come from sweeping Georgetown, Butler, and a rebuilding Providence. And the next four are splits with an improving DePaul, always tough St. Johns, our nemesis Seton Hall and the enigmatic Xavier (who will have significantly more raw talent but probably still be coached by Travis "Wojo" Steele.
I think 10-10 next year isn't unlikely, and 4th place looks like a ceiling--and I was hoping that at the end of this season we'd see a path to a top 3 finish.
You're worried about conference play
next year already? Let's finish this year, then see who leaves, then see who comes via the portal, then see what our non-conference schedule looks like, then see how much good weight some of the young players can put on, then see how the incoming freshman look, then see how we do in non-conference next year, then we can start worrying about conference games next year. You're about 7 steps ahead, a ton can happen in a full calendar year.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 04, 2022, 06:14:14 PM
You're worried about conference play next year already? Let's finish this year, then see who leaves, then see who comes via the portal, then see what our non-conference schedule looks like, then see how much good weight some of the young players can put on, then see how the incoming freshman look, then see how we do in non-conference next year, then we can start worrying about conference games next year. You're about 7 steps ahead, a ton can happen in a full calendar year.
Exactly. This is the era of roster turnover. We don't know who will be on our team, and we know even less about who will be on the rest of the Big East's teams.
It's like the Progressive commercials, let's not start on the COLE on next season before this season is even over.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2022, 08:03:29 PM
Exactly. This is the era of roster turnover. We don't know who will be on our team, and we know even less about who will be on the rest of the Big East's teams.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 04, 2022, 08:40:09 PM
It's like the Progressive commercials, let's not start on the COLE on next season before this season is even over.
COLEslaw
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 04, 2022, 02:45:48 PM
I have no doubt Shaka has this program pointed in the right direction. Even with a loss tomorrow, 10-9 is far better than I expected this group to be. Its been a fun year. I certainly didn't expect Justin to become a legitimate 1st round NBA talent and BE 1st teamer. That's helped a lot. Morsell has been up and down and largely what I expected - perhaps a tad better of offense, but not quite as good of a defender as billed. Kam has been a surprise at the times. The rest of the roster has largely been what I expected - a bunch of role players and younger guys trying to find their way, none of them consistently producing. Some nice upside in OMax and Oso that I certainly look forward to down the road.
All in all, its really hard to look at this season as a whole and be disappointed. We're a lock for the NCAA tournament - yes, even if they lose 2 more in a row, they're going to get in. I am pleased. Just hope we can get a bit more excitement before its all over. Would suck to finish the season with whimper, especially with no baseball to look forward to.
Solid post about MU hoops season. But, people still look forward to baseball season? Will they be implementing a pitch clock in 2022?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 05, 2022, 09:12:29 AM
Solid post about MU hoops season. But, people still look forward to baseball season? Will they be implementing a pitch clock in 2022?
Baseball will always be my main passion. Sounds like a pitch clock will prob arrive in 23. I don't really give a crap about any of that noise tho. I love the game - 10 minute shorter game time due to a pitch clock doesn't mean Jack squat to me. So many casual fans that want all these changes - shorter season, bigger playoffs, quicker games, shorter extra innings, etc aren't really baseball fans, so who really cares. Baseball shouldn't be catering to people that don't care anyway. JMO.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 05, 2022, 09:25:17 AM
Baseball will always be my main passion. Sounds like a pitch clock will prob arrive in 23. I don't really give a crap about any of that noise tho. I love the game - 10 minute shorter game time due to a pitch clock doesn't mean Jack squat to me. So many casual fans that want all these changes - shorter season, bigger playoffs, quicker games, shorter extra innings, etc aren't really baseball fans, so who really cares. Baseball shouldn't be catering to people that don't care anyway. JMO.
MLB franchise owners want many of these things. Bigger playoffs, for example, has been one of the main sticking points in the CBA negotiations - owners want it, the union doesn't.
Also, I don't think baseball can afford to cater only to rabid fans, or else the game would die.
That'll be my last comment on it here. We obviously should be discussing this on the baseball board. (And I know you're not the one who brought it up here.)
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 04, 2022, 06:14:14 PM
You're worried about conference play next year already? Let's finish this year, then see who leaves, then see who comes via the portal, then see what our non-conference schedule looks like, then see how much good weight some of the young players can put on, then see how the incoming freshman look, then see how we do in non-conference next year, then we can start worrying about conference games next year. You're about 7 steps ahead, a ton can happen in a full calendar year.
As I recall, at the start of the year, one of if not THE major purpose of this season was to prepare us for success next season and beyond. Get the right players in place, build culture, etc. Nobody expected success this year. It was all about the future.
Did you forget all that, or do I need to link to some of the multitudes of threads and comments that make that very point? Who knows--maybe you made some of them.
So now that we're at the end of the year, how do you make any reasonable evaluation as to whether this season is a success or disappointment without discussing how we performed against one of, if not our primary goals?
Some of us thought they would be great defensively and routinely score in the 50's - neither which were true.
Some of us thought they would contend for a tourney bid - that may still happen.
Some of us thought it's all about the process and progression - they seem to be in reverse on this one.
Even if MU lost every game from now on, it's still pretty much what was expected overall.
The problem, imo, is that the talent level isn't even as strong as what Wojo brought in. And the recruits for next year so far look pretty mediocre.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 05, 2022, 03:58:16 PM
As I recall, at the start of the year, one of if not THE major purpose of this season was to prepare us for success next season and beyond. Get the right players in place, build culture, etc. Nobody expected success this year. It was all about the future.
Did you forget all that, or do I need to link to some of the multitudes of threads and comments that make that very point? Who knows--maybe you made some of them.
So now that we're at the end of the year, how do you make any reasonable evaluation as to whether this season is a success or disappointment without discussing how we performed against one of, if not our primary goals?
The years not over, currently an "incomplete" as far as I'm concerned. Bump this thread in a month.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 05, 2022, 04:26:57 PM
The problem, imo, is that the talent level isn't even as strong as what Wojo brought in. And the recruits for next year so far look pretty mediocre.
Sean Jones is pretty impressive
https://twitter.com/i/status/1500184464034570246 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1500184464034570246)
Quote from: lawdog77 on March 05, 2022, 05:27:57 PM
Sean Jones is pretty impressive
https://twitter.com/i/status/1500184464034570246 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1500184464034570246)
Hope he's ready to start next year.
Is this game still a part of "Feb Fade" or is now a part of "BEast Tourney Suckage"?
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 10, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Is this game still a part of "Feb Fade" or is now a part of "BEast Tourney Suckage"?
Yes.
See my first post of the thread. Sadly this team has not made any adjustments in February or March. We haven't Beat a tournament team since February 2nd and are 0-6 outside of Milwaukee. This by definition is a Feb Fade.
Still surprised so many jumped down my throat 2 months ago. I wasn't a complete pessimist, I just saw real issues that I was concerned would t be fixed this year
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on March 10, 2022, 05:50:00 PM
See my first post of the thread. Sadly this team has not made any adjustments in February or March. We haven't Beat a tournament team since February 2nd and are 0-6 outside of Milwaukee. This by definition is a Feb Fade.
Still surprised so many jumped down my throat 2 months ago. I wasn't a complete pessimist, I just saw real issues that I was concerned would t be fixed this year
Unfortunately, you were right.