UCLA's game with Kentucky tomorrow is cancelled due to covid issues within the UCLA program. Hopefully it wasn't passed on the any MU players.
Quote from: BLM on December 17, 2021, 09:59:03 AM
UCLA's game with Kentucky tomorrow is cancelled due to covid issues within the UCLA program. Hopefully it wasn't passed on the any MU players.
Low hanging fruit. Our players weren't close enough to them to have the virus passed to them
The game was 6 days ago, it's pretty likely that anyone that would have caught it during the game would already be testing positive or sick.
The entire college basketball season and all sports could be in jeopardy based on the protocols.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2021, 10:58:01 AM
The entire college basketball season and all sports could be in jeopardy based on the protocols.
Based on protocols or positive tests?
There is a huge difference.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2021, 10:58:01 AM
The entire college basketball season and all sports could be in jeopardy based on the protocols.
...if so, another free year? Which means Theo, Dawson and Jamal Cain transfer back to MU?😂...which means Brad Davison is back w/Wisconsin? 😱
Three NFL games are being pushed back a couple days this weekend due to COVID positives. Now many NFL players are pushing for the league to stop all testing and protocols. Things seem to be coming to a head.
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
A notable dynamic: Sources say the NFLPA has received feedback that a majority of players want to eliminate COVID protocols altogether. No more testing, quarantining, etc. That sentiment isn't shared by union leadership, which has continued to advocate for daily testing.
12:56 PM · Dec 17, 2021·TweetDeck
Quote from: Viper on December 17, 2021, 01:21:54 PM
...if so, another free year? Which means Theo, Dawson and Jamal Cain transfer back to MU?😂...which means Brad Davison is back w/Wisconsin? 😱
Another season for Otule?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on December 17, 2021, 02:10:59 PM
Three NFL games are being pushed back a couple days this weekend due to COVID positives. Now many NFL players are pushing for the league to stop all testing and protocols. Things seem to be coming to a head.
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
A notable dynamic: Sources say the NFLPA has received feedback that a majority of players want to eliminate COVID protocols altogether. No more testing, quarantining, etc. That sentiment isn't shared by union leadership, which has continued to advocate for daily testing.
12:56 PM · Dec 17, 2021·TweetDeck
I can't imagine that local public heath officials would be OK with lifting all protocols.
I could understand testing unvaccinated players regularly and vaccinated players only if symptomatic though.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 02:35:07 PM
I can't imagine that local public heath officials would be OK with lifting all protocols.
I could understand testing unvaccinated players regularly and vaccinated players only if symptomatic though.
Do we know the spead rates of asymptomatic unvaccinated vs asymptomatic vaccinated when it comes to Omicron? And is an asymptomatic unvaccinated person more likely to spread to another asymptomatic unvaccinated as opposed to those that are vaccinated? If the protocols are to suspend players and then teams with positive tests, regardless if they are asymptomatic, we may have to kiss the season goodbye. Also, what percentage of college athletes aren't vaccinated?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2021, 02:49:06 PM
Do we know the spead rates of asymptomatic unvaccinated vs asymptomatic vaccinated when it comes to Omicron? And is an asymptomatic unvaccinated person more likely to spread to another asymptomatic unvaccinated as opposed to those that are vaccinated?
We don't know any of these things. It's become a gigantic guessing game.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 02:35:07 PM
I can't imagine that local public heath officials would be OK with lifting all protocols.
I could understand testing unvaccinated players regularly and vaccinated players only if symptomatic though.
The protocols made sense a year ago. Now? Not so much. Especially continuously testing asymptomatics.
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2021, 03:01:54 PM
The protocols made sense a year ago. Now? Not so much. Especially continuously testing asymptomatics.
Well I agree with testing asymptomatic, vaccinated players. But the tweet said lifting "all protocols." "No more testing, quarantining, etc."
That's not happening.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
Well I agree with testing asymptomatic, vaccinated players. But the tweet said lifting "all protocols." "No more testing, quarantining, etc."
That's not happening.
It's the NFL and the NFLPA. The protocols are messing with their bottom line. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
It's the NFL and the NFLPA. The protocols are messing with their bottom line. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.
As I said, local public heath departments aren't going to allow that. The answer to "cases are rising" isn't "eliminate all protocols."
Bringing back last year's masking and distancing protocols are likely to have a significant impact. My guess is case counts will decrease in a week or two.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 03:13:34 PM
As I said, local public heath departments aren't going to allow that. The answer to "cases are rising" isn't "eliminate all protocols."
Bringing back last year's masking and distancing protocols are likely to have a significant impact. My guess is case counts will decrease in a week or two.
They're playing in front of thousands of fans every week who aren't tested, aren't masked and vaccination status unknown. Where are the public health officials there?
Public health officials will have absolutely zero bearing on this whatsoever. If the NFL decides to drop the protocols, the protocols will be dropped.
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
They're playing in front of thousands of fans every week who aren't tested, aren't masked and vaccination status unknown. Where are the public health officials there?
Public health officials will have absolutely zero bearing on this whatsoever. If the NFL decides to drop the protocols, the protocols will be dropped.
That's simply false. Not every municipality is going to be as strict as another, but the NFL and other sports leagues have been working under the guidelines of their various health departments since this started. Remember that NYC's protocols is why Kyrie Irving isn't playing this year. Also, in cities like Chicago, masking is required in the NBA arena regardless of vaccination status.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 03:13:34 PM
As I said, local public heath departments aren't going to allow that. The answer to "cases are rising" isn't "eliminate all protocols."
Bringing back last year's masking and distancing protocols are likely to have a significant impact. My guess is case counts will decrease in a week or two.
"One to two weeks to flatten the case curve."
Well Ontario's going back to 50% capacity in its venues starting tomorrow. Raptors, Maple Leafs, and Ottawa Senators:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/raptors-maple-leafs-senators-limiting-seating-capacity-to-50-starting-saturday-after-new-ontario-rule/
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 03:21:36 PM
That's simply false. Not every municipality is going to be as strict as another, but the NFL and other sports leagues have been working under the guidelines of their various health departments since this started. Remember that NYC's protocols is why Kyrie Irving isn't playing this year. Also, in cities like Chicago, masking is required in the NBA arena regardless of vaccination status.
And once it starts hurting their bottom line (postponed and possibly cancelled games), they will feel differently.
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 17, 2021, 03:27:29 PM
"One to two weeks to flatten the case curve."
Have you looked at the curve lately?
Anyway we aren't going back to March 2020 regardless.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 03:21:36 PM
That's simply false. Not every municipality is going to be as strict as another, but the NFL and other sports leagues have been working under the guidelines of their various health departments since this started. Remember that NYC's protocols is why Kyrie Irving isn't playing this year. Also, in cities like Chicago, masking is required in the NBA arena regardless of vaccination status.
Well....
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 03:13:34 PM
As I said, local public heath departments aren't going to allow that. The answer to "cases are rising" isn't "eliminate all protocols."
Bringing back last year's masking and distancing protocols are likely to have a significant impact. My guess is case counts will decrease in a week or two.
distancing, sure. Wearing a mask? Still on the Fauci train, I see.
Take it to the covid board guys...
This was one of my favorite studies of the past year. Granted it was outside, but no COVID transmission during Rugby matches.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/14/807
MU is probably okay a week out from their game. But I could see the UCLA issues stemming from their weird travel and might have been forced into some situations where they didn't have as much control.
Quote from: Viper on December 17, 2021, 05:52:40 PM
distancing, sure. Wearing a mask? Still on the Fauci train, I see.
You must be a dentist.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2021, 09:01:23 PM
You must be a dentist.
Or probably just a person with common sense ;D
Its hard to believe that teams aren't vaccinated.
Pure stupidity.
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
They're playing in front of thousands of fans every week who aren't tested, aren't masked and vaccination status unknown. Where are the public health officials there?
Public health officials will have absolutely zero bearing on this whatsoever. If the NFL decides to drop the protocols, the protocols will be dropped.
Ding Ding Ding
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 18, 2021, 10:58:37 AM
Ding Ding Ding
Well, that's two of you who would be wrong.
The NFL would be allowed to modify the protocols. For instance, to no longer test asymptomatic, vaccinated players. They would not be allowed by all the municipalities in which they play to eliminate all protocols whatsoever.
Quote from: panda on December 17, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
They're playing in front of thousands of fans every week who aren't tested, aren't masked and vaccination status unknown. Where are the public health officials there?
Public health officials will have absolutely zero bearing on this whatsoever. If the NFL decides to drop the protocols, the protocols will be dropped.
Don't be coming around here with that common sense and independent thinking!!!! Comply!!!!! Bow down!!!!
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Don't be coming around here with that common sense and independent thinking!!!! Comply!!!!! Bow down!!!!
Thank the Lord a few folks here understand what's going on
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Don't be coming around here with that common sense and independent thinking!!!! Comply!!!!! Bow down!!!!
I remember when this guy was "showing [himself] out of this place."
Welcome back, Ners.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2021, 11:02:03 AM
For instance, to no longer test asymptomatic, vaccinated players.
Because too many of them are testing positive and causing games to be canceled? You'd rather not know who has COVID and is spreading it? I thought this was about health?
Quote from: TheyWereCones on December 18, 2021, 02:22:07 PM
Because too many of them are testing positive and causing games to be canceled? You'd rather not know who has COVID and is spreading it? I thought this was about health?
Because asymptomatic, vaccinated people passing the virus to other vaccinated people is rare.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
Because asymptomatic, vaccinated people passing the virus to other vaccinated people is rare.
So rare that players on entirely vaccinated teams are all getting it individually & separately somehow, all at the same time, but not transmitting it to each other?
You'll get there. For some people it just takes longer.
Quote from: TheyWereCones on December 18, 2021, 02:38:59 PM
So rare that players on entirely vaccinated teams are all getting it individually & separately somehow, all at the same time, but not transmitting it to each other?
You'll get there. For some people it just takes longer.
I have no idea how people are getting it. I just know that the risk is lower with asymptomatic, vaccinated people. I didn't say zero risk. And other mitigation factors should take place (masking, distancing).
Again, this is how we dealt with it this semester at a residential college that was 80% vaccinated. Surveillance testing of unvaccinated students was regularly less than 1% positive. But everyone was required to be masked indoors regardless of status. I don't see any reason why a football team can't take a similar approach and not have a major outbreak.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2021, 02:45:53 PM
I have no idea how people are getting it. I just know that the risk is lower with asymptomatic, vaccinated people. I didn't say zero risk. And other mitigation factors should take place (masking, distancing).
Again, this is how we dealt with it this semester at a residential college that was 80% vaccinated. Surveillance testing of unvaccinated students was regularly less than 1% positive. But everyone was required to be masked indoors regardless of status. I don't see any reason why a football team can't take a similar approach and not have a major outbreak.
Imagine wearing a mask when fully vaxxed. People are broken. Good luck.
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Imagine wearing a mask when fully vaxxed. People are broken. Good luck.
Well since we don't know who is vaccinated or not simply by looking at them, we require it of everyone. No one is broken. Pretty much common sense.
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
Imagine wearing a mask when fully vaxxed. People are broken. Good luck.
Responsible people have to make sacrifices for dumb people that won't get vaccinated. It's called being selfless for the good of others.
Quote from: BLM on December 18, 2021, 04:02:41 PM
Responsible people have to make sacrifices for dumb people that won't get vaccinated. It's called being selfless for the good of others.
The overwhelming majority of people wear masks because they (incorrectly) assume that it will protect themselves from the virus. They care very little about strangers around them.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2021, 04:16:00 PM
The overwhelming majority of people wear masks because they (incorrectly) assume that it will protect themselves from the virus. They care very little about strangers around them.
Actually, as someone dealing with the public quite often, I can assure you this isn't true. One of my clients installed a masked policy for his employees for the very reason of caring about the strangers that visit his establishment. I also deal with a variety of other people masking despite having the booster.
As someone fully vaccinated, I choose not to wear a mask. I don't care if people wear masks or for what reason. Masking goes on in other parts of the world. It's not accepted here by some for solely political reasons. Quite frankly, less germs in the air is fine by me
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2021, 04:16:00 PM
The overwhelming majority of people wear masks because they (incorrectly) assume that it will protect themselves from the virus. They care very little about strangers around them.
100%. People will never see eye to eye on this. People squirt their pants whenever they think they can control other people. The reality is they hate their own miserable lives and want to drag everyone else down with them. This has been a golden opportunity for them and they cling to the idea of more lockdowns, more masks, total control, etc. Misery loves company and people are starting to realize this. People reading this will begin to get angry and smoke will come out of their ears. Speak a little truth and everyone loses their minds. Wish we could all get along but it just isn't to be. :(
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2021, 04:16:00 PM
The overwhelming majority of people wear masks because they (incorrectly) assume that it will protect themselves from the virus. They care very little about strangers around them.
"Overwhelming majority?" Of course that's just your opinion right?
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
100%. People will never see eye to eye on this. People squirt their pants whenever they think they can control other people. The reality is they hate their own miserable lives and want to drag everyone else down with them. This has been a golden opportunity for them and they cling to the idea of more lockdowns, more masks, total control, etc. Misery loves company and people are starting to realize this. People reading this will begin to get angry and smoke will come out of their ears. Speak a little truth and everyone loses their minds. Wish we could all get along but it just isn't to be. :(
WTF are you talking about? Very few people want universal masking. Even less want lockdowns. I would guess that 99% of people just want this over.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 04:21:37 PM
Actually, as someone dealing with the public quite often, I can assure you this isn't true. One of my clients instilled a masked policy for his employees for the very reason of caring about the strangers that visit his establishment. I also deal with a variety of other people masking despite having the booster.
As someone fully vaccinated, I choose not to wear a mask. I don't care if people wear masks or for what reason. Masking goes on in other parts of the world. It's not accepted here by some for solely political reasons. Quite frankly, less germs in the air is fine by me
Here in the UK, we don't care if anyone wears a mask or not. It's a mandate some places but nobody follows it because we know the difference between a law and a mandate, unlike the US. We don't like to tell people what to do. I thought that was what they did in America but I was wrong.
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 04:25:17 PM
Here in the UK, we don't care if anyone wears a mask or not. It's a mandate some places but nobody follows it because we know the difference between a law and a mandate, unlike the US. We don't like to tell people what to do. I thought that was what they did in America but I was wrong.
I live in Switzerland
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 18, 2021, 04:24:52 PM
WTF are you talking about? Very few people want universal masking. Even less want lockdowns. I would guess that 99% of people just want this over.
Idk if it's 99% of people but maybe a majority. We can agree on that.
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 04:25:17 PM
Here in the UK, we don't care if anyone wears a mask or not. It's a mandate some places but nobody follows it because we know the difference between a law and a mandate, unlike the US. We don't like to tell people what to do. I thought that was what they did in America but I was wrong.
Do you have a thought or are you all just talking points? Cause you haven't said something intelligent since you've joined.
Quote from: MUnewbie on December 18, 2021, 04:28:00 PM
Idk if it's 99% of people but maybe a majority. We can agree on that.
False. You think people don't want the pandemic to end? Are you that dim?