1. Ugly - but again, we signed up for this.
2. I will take a road win any way it comes
3. Kam Jones is fearless - a true Warrior
4. Live by the 3, die by the 3 - I don't mind, they'll drop eventually
5. Refreshingly, it seems to be a new guy every night. That's a positive come Big East time and tourney time
6. I am the biggest full court press apologist you'll find - but I am becoming privy to the Catch 22... either go 100% with it and kill your guys by halftime or go 75% with it and give up 50 open dunks. I still like it, just need to tiptoe the right line - I believe Shaka can do that.
We will make the tourney. I guarantee it.
Yes I stole Tower's schtick. Hope he's having a good night of PTO.
Shoutout to Kolek. Couldn't hit the ocean, but still found ways to impact the game. Have to think his shot drops at some point.
kokek needs to stop shooting 3's.
Yes, his impact was he almost shot them out of winning.
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 08, 2021, 10:12:07 PM
Shoutout to Kolek. Couldn't hit the ocean, but still found ways to impact the game. Have to think his shot drops at some point.
Young young men pulling this out - kam and oso - wow - moxie
Quote from: MUUWUWM on December 08, 2021, 10:13:44 PM
kokek needs to stop shooting 3's.
Nope - you keep shooting and be better at short term memory
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Yes I stole Tower's schtick. Hope he's having a good night of PTO.
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5 alarms since the game started. Couldn't even listen to Homer on the internet. Yay, Marquette
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 08, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
Yes, his impact was he almost shot them out of winning.
His 8 boards, 7 assists, 2 steals, and multiple deflections were meaningless, huh?
::)
We were the less bad team. That is all.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 08, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
Yes, his impact was he almost shot them out of winning.
Morsell had a poor floor game overall. Kolek missed shots but played very well otherwise. Open your eyes.
The issue with TK is that he now lost all confidence in his shooting. He is no longer a threat because he's passing on taking shots that he normally would. Defense can relax with him.., basically 4 on 5 until he regains the confidence. Needs to see the ball go in the cylinder early vs UCLA.
I agree they will make the tournament
But ... when u are shooting as bad as
Kolek was, at some point u stop !
Drive it ... pass ... etc, but no more 3s
Quote from: CAGASS24 on December 08, 2021, 10:16:09 PM
Nope - you keep shooting and be better at short term memory
If Kam goes cold he keeps shooting.
See Kams beauty of a shot versus Koleks right now.
Kolek isn't even close, and that's likely mental.
Instead of keep shooting he re-groups and keeps shooting in the practice gym, then is more selective and head fakes to get an open shooter in the real game.
Unless he's wide open and set, then yes keep shooting
Quote from: Go Warriors on December 08, 2021, 10:20:32 PM
The issue with TK is that he now lost all confidence in his shooting. He is no longer a threat because he's passing on taking shots that he normally would. Defense can relax with him.., basically 4 on 5 until he regains the confidence. Needs to see the ball go in the cylinder early vs UCLA.
If they're sagging on him, he A) still got to the paint, B) still drew a crowd, and C) found the open man for 7 dimes.
3-7 or 4 more assists would would a lot better and the game would not have been close.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 08, 2021, 10:16:43 PM
His 8 boards, 7 assists, 2 steals, and multiple deflections were meaningless, huh?
::)
Kolek doing exactly what he's doing right now and shooting 35% from 3 is our 2nd or 3rd best player.
The guys seem to trust him and obviously so does Shaka. Let's chill. We won the game.
Not to mention his shots look like line drive shot puts.... Stop shooting when you are 0-5 - even the announcers made mention of it.
Forgot the one where he hit nothing but the side of the backboard...
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 08, 2021, 10:24:18 PM
3-7 or 4 more assists would would a lot better and the game would not have been close.
5, Tower's benched tonight, don't feel bad. Glad someone stepped up.
Looks like SS is coning down the rotations. Saw a lot of Kam, Morsell, Justin (of course). VERY little of EE, Joplin, Mitchell.
Not enough KK. Might be related to conditioning and how many minutes he can do.
At F, it seems to be a battle of OMax vs. Oso. The less I see of the former and the more I see of the latter, the happier I am.
It was nice to see Greg have a good night. He really turned things around during his rather brief stint. I noted that he was out there at the end when the good FT shooters should take the floor.
Didn't think it was particularly good coaching when Kam ((66% FTs) wound up with the ball and got fouled. There were better options. Tonight we got away with it (thank you, Oso) but there will be nights that similar mistakes will cost us.
Of course, happy with the result. I thought it was the Dec. game we could least afford to lose.
Like (almost) everyone else, if you'd told me we'd be 8-2 at this point, I would have jumped at it.
On to UCLA (are they any good?).
Quote from: panda on December 08, 2021, 10:17:24 PM
Morsell had a poor floor game overall. Kolek missed shots but played very well otherwise. Open your eyes.
I agree with this analysis. Morsell 3-13 shooting, 2 rebounds, 2 assists. 4 Turnovers and assorted bad decisions throughout the game.
Kolek's shot will eventually fall. No doubt he's pressing and its in his head at this point.
If someone said Kolek and Morsell would be a combined 3 of 20 shooting/ 2 of 16 on threes would MU win on the road at KSU? The answer would be a resounding no.
Gritty game. Fun game. Well officiated. Our team has nice upside.
Not to be negative or that this matters in the least when it comes to MU's resume, but MU caught a break in this game and the Illinois game where both teams were missing arguably their best player. It's not MU's problem though, but a little bit lucky on that front.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on December 08, 2021, 10:10:48 PM
1. Ugly - but again, we signed up for this.
2. I will take a road win any way it comes
3. Kam Jones is fearless - a true Warrior
4. Live by the 3, die by the 3 - I don't mind, they'll drop eventually
5. Refreshingly, it seems to be a new guy every night. That's a positive come Big East time and tourney time
6. I am the biggest full court press apologist you'll find - but I am becoming privy to the Catch 22... either go 100% with it and kill your guys by halftime or go 75% with it and give up 50 open dunks. I still like it, just need to tiptoe the right line - I believe Shaka can do that.
We will make the tourney. I guarantee it.
Yes I stole Tower's schtick. Hope he's having a good night of PTO.
Tower's schtick would not include tourney guarantees......that I guarantee.
Big big hug from Jones to osa for picking him up - these dudes are in it deep together - buy in is evident
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 08, 2021, 10:42:55 PM
Tower's schtick would not include tourney guarantees......that I guarantee.
It's like Tower's schtick with a little razzle dazzle
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 08, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
I agree they will make the tournament
But ... when u are shooting as bad as
Kolek was, at some point u stop !
Drive it ... pass ... etc, but no more 3s
Long way away from making the tourney, there going to lose some of thes games when there up 7, unless they learn to run more plays as at the end they were standing around to much.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 08, 2021, 10:44:01 PM
Long way away from making the tourney, there going to lose some of thes games when there up 7, unless they learn to run more plays as at the end they were standing around to much.
Kam Jones was wide open every possession down the stretch. It just took kolek to find him. Greg and Justin should have found him earlier.
Our record is probably better than it should be, but I am not displeased with that fact.
Great to see Greg back into it, gonna need his energy going into the UCLA game and BE play
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 08, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
Yes, his impact was he almost shot them out of winning.
I guess that 8 rebounds and 7 assists almost shot us out of winning also.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 08, 2021, 10:24:18 PM
3-7 or 4 more assists would would a lot better and the game would not have been close.
42.9% from 3, 11 assists, 8 rebounds and 2 steals would be a lot better? Yeah, like first team AA better. That kind of performance at every position would insure a national championship. Keep dreaming.
We make a ton of passes as a team to wide open three point shooters that are out of the shooting pocket. There were multiple times last night that the shooter had to catch the ball at his knees or way too far to the left or right. It completely disrupted the rhythm of multiple shots and led to multiple bricks.
That isn't the entire reason for our shooting woes as a team, obviously, but it's one of them. We need better passes to wide open shooters.
1. Shaka isn't afraid to play a little zone from time to time.
2. He isn't afraid to ride a hot hand. Yay, Greg. Sorry, Stevie.
3. Lewis was the man.
4. Kur and Osa are doing great. They aren't making moves. They are just finishing when they get the dish around the rim.
5. MU was actually running a set last night. Did you see it? Elliot and Jones corner 3's were off of a play. They use the scouting report on Lewis and give him the ball in the wide post, perhaps a little closer to the foul line than usual. He has his back to the basket, starts pounding the floor and surveying the court. Weakside, Kur/Osa are setting a screen on the corner shooter's man. K-state had that guy collapsing almost to the lane. Pick is set and a passing lane appears from Lewis to Greg/Kam. Baseball pass, recovering defender is bumped just enough. Open look. Very nice, very subtle, something I haven't noticed before last night.
6. Kolek is not getting any lift on his jumper.
7. Morsell is limping when walking.
8. Osa has come so far. And he still handles the ball on the perimeter like a wing. If he develops a decent 3 pt shot....
9. A road win against a Power conference opponent.
10. This team fights.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 09, 2021, 07:58:11 AM
We make a ton of passes as a team to wide open three point shooters that are out of the shooting pocket. There were multiple times last night that the shooter had to catch the ball at his knees or way too far to the left or right. It completely disrupted the rhythm of multiple shots and led to multiple bricks.
That isn't the entire reason for our shooting woes as a team, obviously, but it's one of them. We need better passes to wide open shooters.
We take an awful lot of not-in-rhythm 3 pointers to be sure, often with a lot of time on the clock. That is not a good recipe for making a high percentage. We substitute skip passes for drive and kick-out passes too often to get our step into it 3 pointers. While those work, it is much more difficult to put the pass into the shooting pocket. If you catch one of those passes at your ankles, you don't have to shoot it. Keep the ball moving or drive yourself.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 08, 2021, 11:06:53 PM
Kam Jones was wide open every possession down the stretch. It just took kolek to find him. Greg and Justin should have found him earlier.
Our record is probably better than it should be, but I am not displeased with that fact.
Greg missed an EXTREMELY wide open Kam at the top of the arc in the last couple minutes when he drove and forced a terrible shot.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 09, 2021, 08:19:51 AM
Greg missed an EXTREMELY wide open Kam at the top of the arc in the last couple minutes when he drove and forced a terrible shot.
Yep. Saw that too.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 09, 2021, 08:15:59 AM
We take an awful lot of not-in-rhythm 3 pointers to be sure, often with a lot of time on the clock. That is not a good recipe for making a high percentage. We substitute skip passes for drive and kick-out passes too often to get our step into it 3 pointers. While those work, it is much more difficult to put the pass into the shooting pocket. If you catch one of those passes at your ankles, you don't have to shoot it. Keep the ball moving or drive yourself.
Agree - nothing I hate more than hurried, early in the shot clock, quasi off balance 3s - especially from guys who aren't drop dead shooters. Our interior passing and our kick outs off dribble drives are really good - let's take advantage of those strengths.
Kolek was very good. Basketball is more than shooting.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 08, 2021, 10:42:14 PM
Not to be negative or that this matters in the least when it comes to MU's resume, but MU caught a break in this game and the Illinois game where both teams were missing arguably their best player. It's not MU's problem though, but a little bit lucky on that front.
I'm ok with this and here's why: I've already seen incredible growth in this team since the beginning of the season. If they continue this trajectory, they'll be quite good by the end of the year. This sets up our resume for that time without making (hopefully) the end of the season into as much of a nail biter.
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2021, 08:14:08 AM
7. Morsell is limping when walking.
This. Someone else (sorry, don't remember who) had mentioned last week that the trainer has been working on him during the breaks, and I noticed the limping last night as well. Something is up there.
I heard/read somewhere quad and shoulder.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 09, 2021, 08:22:31 AM
Yep. Saw that too.
Right after the play Greg looked at Kam
and pointed at him. He knows he missed it.