Call me a eternal optimist or a myopic loyalist but I'm giving Shaka an A+.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
Call me a eternal optimist or a myopic loyalist but I'm giving Shaka an A+
I don't think we could have asked for more his first three weeks!
I'm giving the school, program and Shaka and A+ for completely transforming the enthusiasm, excitement and interest in MUBB. The team could be better next year (it likely will), or it could be worse than this past year - but it is undeniable that the trajectory and long-term outlook is radically different that it had been under Wojo - and that, by itself, made a coaching change necessary.
Welcome to all of our new players, coaches and staff. Very excited and hopeful for the future of MUBB. An incredible few days and weeks.
Quote from: Daniel on April 16, 2021, 11:46:59 AM
I don't think we could have asked for more his first three weeks!
5* players
Yeah, but kind of boring today. Maybe some more action this afternoon.
I think the Haynes addition is big Goose. And I honestly don't care about the star rankings of these recruits, I flat out trust Shaka and his vision.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 16, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
I'm giving the school, program and Shaka and A+ for completely transforming the enthusiasm, excitement and interest in MUBB. The team could be better next year (it likely will), or it could be worse than this past year - but it is undeniable that the trajectory and long-term outlook is radically different that it had been under Wojo - and that, by itself, made a coaching change necessary.
Welcome to all of our new players, coaches and staff. Very excited and hopeful for the future of MUBB. An incredible few days and weeks.
I couldn't agree more with this post. The excitement and overall hope from the MU fanbase is night and day.
Now if he could just get Patrick Baldwin, Sr. (& son), Bates, Morsell, and keep Dawson, he'd be earning his keep.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2021, 11:49:27 AM
I think the Haynes addition is big Goose. And I honestly don't care about the star rankings of these recruits, I flat out trust Shaka and his vision.
If they overperform their rankings that will be a testament to the staff in place and their coaching acumen. If they become NBA players, that means Marquette is playing for national titles.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 16, 2021, 11:53:05 AM
Now if he could just get Patrick Baldwin, Sr. (& son), Bates, Morsell, and keep Dawson, he'd be earning his keep.
He's already earned his A+ for this week. Gotta save something for next week... ;)
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 16, 2021, 11:53:05 AM
Now if he could just get Patrick Baldwin, Sr. (& son), Bates, Morsell, and keep Dawson, he'd be earning his keep.
For sure. Hopefully 2/4 minimum.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
If they overperform their rankings that will be a testament to the staff in place and their coaching acumen. If they become NBA players, that means Marquette is playing for national titles.
I think Golden Warrior is spot-on with his overall point. We're seeing a complete transformation and this was absolutely neccessary. Again, it will be a process. We need to exercise some patience next season. But the total lack of identity and direction of the MU program is over imo. So, regardless of how enthusiastic you are as an MU fan about the moves this week, it's literally impossible not to be much more optimistic about out future than the past several years.
It's been crazy! I find myself checking Scoop every 20-30 min. to see what else has happened.
I've cared so little for MU hoops across the last few years. This is what we needed. It's exciting as hell to be out of the doldrums.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2021, 12:18:08 PM
I think Golden Warrior is spot-on with his overall point. We're seeing a complete transformation and this was absolutely neccessary. Again, it will be a process. We need to exercise some patience next season. But the total lack of identity and direction of the MU program is over imo. So, regardless of how enthusiastic you are as an MU fan about the moves this week, it's literally impossible not to be much more optimistic about out future than the past several years.
I do not disagree. I'm just tempering what I expect next year and even years 2 and 3 until I see the product on the court. The university did the first thing they needed to do and that was break the program out of its malaise.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 16, 2021, 11:47:26 AM
I'm giving the school, program and Shaka and A+ for completely transforming the enthusiasm, excitement and interest in MUBB. The team could be better next year (it likely will), or it could be worse than this past year - but it is undeniable that the trajectory and long-term outlook is radically different that it had been under Wojo - and that, by itself, made a coaching change necessary.
Welcome to all of our new players, coaches and staff. Very excited and hopeful for the future of MUBB. An incredible few days and weeks.
Yessir, to all of that.
I've heard from a ton of fellow alums this week, all very excited for the future of Marquette hoops.
We Are Marquette!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
I do not disagree. I'm just tempering what I expect next year and even years 2 and 3 until I see the product on the court. The university did the first thing they needed to do and that was break the program out of its malaise.
And this is completely fair.
I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm going going gaga over any of this since I remember similar sentiments when Wojo was hired.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
I do not disagree. I'm just tempering what I expect next year and even years 2 and 3 until I see the product on the court. The university did the first thing they needed to do and that was break the program out of its malaise.
Well stated, Unk.
Year 1 could be amazing. Or it could be a year of mostly growing pains. Or something in between.
Can't wait to get it started, though!
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on April 16, 2021, 12:55:29 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm going going gaga over any of this since I remember similar sentiments when Wojo was hired.
I don't remember anywhere near this kind of enthusiasm from everyone when Wojo was hired, either on the day it was announced or after anything he did in his first 3 weeks. I think Wojo's and Shaka's first press conferences were so drastically different and the current optimism and excitement is so much greater than it was 7 years ago and rightfully so. With that said, we should all remain cautiously optimistic, but it does feel nice to have a reason for any kind of optimism.
Is there any talk of summer league?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
Is there any talk of summer league?
I forget what year we are in the "once every __ years" but this would be an excellent jump start to bonding and cementing the program philosophy. Regardless, COVID probably has something to say about it
Not quite at an A+ yet. Few more moves to be made before we get there. I think we do.
Most the season I felt Wojo was toast bc the apathy I found in my MU circle was at such an all time low that I figured MU could never run it back.
I knew a change was needed to get fans back. So while I expected a change, I didn't expect a tidal wave. These past few weeks have been absolutely transformational. Not just in the HC, incoming players etc but in how my MU circle is brought back to life. It feels like the 2nd weekend in March, it's amazing.
Quote from: MU1980 on April 16, 2021, 01:11:18 PM
I don't remember anywhere near this kind of enthusiasm from everyone when Wojo was hired, either on the day it was announced or after anything he did in his first 3 weeks. I think Wojo's and Shaka's first press conferences were so drastically different and the current optimism and excitement is so much greater than it was 7 years ago and rightfully so. With that said, we should all remain cautiously optimistic, but it does feel nice to have a reason for any kind of optimism.
Well, we were coming off some pretty darn good years with Buzz (not his last) and so probably not as elated when he left and we get an assistant again. This time, we are coming off 7 rough years - and we hire what might be the most experinced coach ever at Marquette!
But yes - there is a nice positive vibe going around we havent seen in a long time!!! Go Marquette!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 01:23:21 PM
Not quite at an A+ yet. Few more moves to be made before we get there. I think we do.
What would that be for you? Garcia comes back, Morsell transfer in, sign Tamar Bates? Anything else you're thinking?
What I love most about this week is how adaptive it is to the strange covid-driven CBB landscape. With a new coach and the free transfer rule, Shaka basically orchestrated a line change of high level recruits and transfers. I expect a decent amount of attrition after next season because this roster is starting from scratch - but in a way that leaves us with a more certain future and the ability to start balancing classes going forward. To be able to say that on April 16 is pretty incredible.
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 16, 2021, 02:05:49 PM
What I love most about this week is how adaptive it is to the strange covid-driven CBB landscape. With a new coach and the free transfer rule, Shaka basically orchestrated a line change of high level recruits and transfers. I expect a decent amount of attrition after next season because this roster is starting from scratch - but in a way that leaves us with a more certain future and the ability to start balancing classes going forward. To be able to say that on April 16 is pretty incredible.
Comparing Shaka's comments yesterday on transfers in today's game vs what Gard said earlier this month? I like where we're at. He's absolutely the right coach for this era.
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 16, 2021, 02:05:49 PM
What I love most about this week is how adaptive it is to the strange covid-driven CBB landscape. With a new coach and the free transfer rule, Shaka basically orchestrated a line change of high level recruits and transfers. I expect a decent amount of attrition after next season because this roster is starting from scratch - but in a way that leaves us with a more certain future and the ability to start balancing classes going forward. To be able to say that on April 16 is pretty incredible.
This year may be more like the norm going forward, obviously not with the seniors returning. If so, we have a guy that looks like he can adapt and use it to his advantage.
Quote from: The Lens on April 16, 2021, 01:43:05 PM
Most the season I felt Wojo was toast bc the apathy I found in my MU circle was at such an all time low that I figured MU could never run it back.
I knew a change was needed to get fans back. So while I expected a change, I didn't expect a tidal wave. These past few weeks have been absolutely transformational. Not just in the HC, incoming players etc but in how my MU circle is brought back to life. It feels like the 2nd weekend in March, it's amazing.
My sentiments exactly. I've heard from people since Shaka's hiring, and this week, that literally disappeared in the last few years. The excitement is ubiquitous and quite refreshing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 16, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
Call me a eternal optimist or a myopic loyalist but I'm giving Shaka an A+.
It's been an amazing week, but an A+ would mean essentially perfect.
So in order to get an A+, he would have needed to keep Aidoo committed and land Bates.
Quote from: forgetful on April 16, 2021, 07:23:34 PM
It's been an amazing week, but an A+ would mean essentially perfect.
So in order to get an A+, he would have needed to keep Aidoo committed and land Bates.
And retroactively won the 2021 ncaa tourney
Quote from: The Lens on April 16, 2021, 01:43:05 PM
Most the season I felt Wojo was toast bc the apathy I found in my MU circle was at such an all time low that I figured MU could never run it back.
I knew a change was needed to get fans back. So while I expected a change, I didn't expect a tidal wave. These past few weeks have been absolutely transformational. Not just in the HC, incoming players etc but in how my MU circle is brought back to life. It feels like the 2nd weekend in March, it's amazing.
Its all been very beneficial for Marquette. I will say--and maybe fit me for my sweater vest on this-- I'm not looking to a free-for-all every year with 80% roster turnover year after year, if that's what college hoops becomes.
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on April 16, 2021, 12:55:29 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm going going gaga over any of this since I remember similar sentiments when Wojo was hired.
I do not remember much excitement about Wojo. Shaka has done more in two weeks than Woj did in a year.
Makes me realize how uninterested I've been the past few years.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 16, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
I do not remember much excitement about Wojo. Shaka has done more in two weeks than Woj did in a year.
Understated. It's more excitement than during Wojo's 7 years. It's been truly amazing and refreshing. Can t wait for the season to begin.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 16, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
Understated. It's more excitement than during Wojo's 7 years. It's been truly amazing and refreshing. Can t wait for the season to begin.
The revisionist history is strong in this one.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 16, 2021, 09:25:53 PM
The revisionist history is strong in this one.
There was rather a lot of excitement when we were 23-4 and ranked 10th. Indeed.
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 16, 2021, 09:28:27 PM
There was rather a lot of excitement when we were 23-4 and ranked 10th. Indeed.
Yes there was, especially to the casuals
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 16, 2021, 09:28:27 PM
There was rather a lot of excitement when we were 23-4 and ranked 10th. Indeed.
Agreed. As much as we might try to convince ourselves otherwise, Wojo's tenure was not completely without some rays of excitement. There were great moments as recently as a year ago when Garcia, Oso, and Lewis committed. There were moments of magic with Markus.
As undeniable as that fact is, however, is the fact that excitement during Wojo's tenure was mostly obscured by the dark cloud of mediocrity that slowly sapped away enthusiasm for the program. By the end of this year, those fleeting rays of excitement were so clearly overshadowed by the descending malaise of apathy.
Marquette had to make a move. What a move it made. A defibrillator to shock back the life into the Marquette program.
Actually, I don't remember anyone who was excited about the Wojo hiring. I think it ranged between "Not the right guy" to "ok, let's give him a chance." Shaka has created a lot of excitement in the program, and probably kept most of the core together (we'll see about DG) and brought in some exciting new guys. Cupboard is full, folks. Let's see what he can do with it.
Quote from: forgetful on April 16, 2021, 07:23:34 PM
It's been an amazing week, but an A+ would mean essentially perfect.
So in order to get an A+, he would have needed to keep Aidoo committed and land Bates.
Agreed.
4 and 3 star recruits coming in that fit a philosophy/scheme/brand of basketball. It was what was expected. The only difference is that it all happened in a short period of time rather than over several weeks/months.
B+/A- performance by Shaka ----- Which, If you graded MU against all other programs this is where most would probably rank them as well. Notice how both scores match up. Now, they just need to be developed and molded.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on April 16, 2021, 10:06:23 PM
Actually, I don't remember anyone who was excited about the Wojo hiring. I think it ranged between "Not the right guy" to "ok, let's give him a chance." Shaka has created a lot of excitement in the program, and probably kept most of the core together (we'll see about DG) and brought in some exciting new guys. Cupboard is full, folks. Let's see what he can do with it.
I distinctly remember a Scoop thread raving about his opening press conference. Funny in hindsight.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
I distinctly remember a Scoop thread raving about his opening press conference. Funny in hindsight.
Please link - would love to see who raved.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2021, 10:30:41 PM
Please link - would love to see who raved.
I like Steve as a person but anyone who raved after he talked was drunk. The guy never inspired any confidence with his words. It's not like he's dumb, he just never made it a point to say anything profound.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 16, 2021, 10:30:41 PM
Please link - would love to see who raved.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=43510.0
I remember a lot of excitement for his presser, the hire, and for the Wojo media tour the next few weeks. He was on every big radio show in America and everyone was freaking out about how great he was marketing the MU name and how nothing could have been better. The Wojo name was carrying big in national media during those first few weeks, and then he hammered that first big recruiting class with Henry as the jewel.
Yes let's not get it twisted. There was a good amount of excitement.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on April 17, 2021, 12:01:49 AM
I remember a lot of excitement for his presser, the hire, and for the Wojo media tour the next few weeks. He was on every big radio show in America and everyone was freaking out about how great he was marketing the MU name and how nothing could have been better. The Wojo name was carrying big in national media during those first few weeks, and then he hammered that first big recruiting class with Henry as the jewel.
Yes let's not get it twisted. There was a good amount of excitement.
Don't get it twisted, we hired a robot who played Noon Ball and knew where Rice Lake was. That's about it.
Quote from: mujivitz06 on April 17, 2021, 12:01:49 AM
I remember a lot of excitement for his presser, the hire, and for the Wojo media tour the next few weeks. He was on every big radio show in America and everyone was freaking out about how great he was marketing the MU name and how nothing could have been better. The Wojo name was carrying big in national media during those first few weeks, and then he hammered that first big recruiting class with Henry as the jewel.
Yes let's not get it twisted. There was a good amount of excitement.
I'm not sure there's any accurate way to measure "excitement" when a new coach is hired. However, page views on muscoop is one. At this point it looks like wojos first month (apr 14) will be roughly the same as Shakas first month (apr 21). I'll try to remember to revisit this come may 1.
This is just one person, though I think the experience was shared: Wojo was never an exciting hire. I was really bummed when Buzz left (whatever the reason) and seeing someone who so obviously lacked grit in Wojo was tough from the jump. He never represented or got the MU bball culture.
So glad the admin did what they did.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
I distinctly remember a Scoop thread raving about his opening press conference. Funny in hindsight.
I read the first four pages of the thread you linked. I'd hard pressed to characterize anything I read as "raving." Honestly, much was about the players - especially Mayo. While there was some optimism, I think this post pretty well reflects the tone of that thread:
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 01, 2014, 02:24:42 PM
I'm not crazy about the hire, but I think he's done great in this presser and its easy to be genuinely happy for him.
Maybe the raving came later in the thread.
I was optimistic at the time and hopeful that Wojo would be a great coach. I don't remember being nearly as excited as I am about Shaka, and I don't remember the mood on Scoop being nearly as excited as right now (probably because we were bummed out that the "done deal" wasn't a done deal).
Are we a top 25 team next year? Close? Top 4 BE?
Still missing a piece or two. Big East will not be as good as last year. Villy by far the best team. Creighton, Hall, St. John's, DePaul, Butler not very good. X, Providence, GTown, MU all will be OK. UConn second bestll. MU with Garcia back should be third or 4th.
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 08:52:27 AM
Are we a top 25 team next year? Close? Top 4 BE?
Top 4 Big East is doable. The roster as constructed w/o Garcia is not a top-25 team in November. But things can change after that
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 08:52:27 AM
Are we a top 25 team next year? Close? Top 4 BE?
A team this young? The model didn't even work for Cal or K this past season. I recognize all the talent. I am enthused about the future. But I assume there will be a huge learning curve and growing pains. Patience will still be required.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2021, 09:38:58 AM
A team this young? The model didn't even work for Cal or K this past season. I recognize all the talent. I am enthused about the future. But I assume there will be a huge learning curve and growing pains. Patience will still be required.
The difference between this upcoming off-season and last is quite a gap. Those young teams lost an entire off-season program and a season was basically cobbled together on the fly. A return to normalcy should make things a bit smoother but, yes, there will still be growing pains and bad stretches
MU showed a great deal of patience over the past seven years and paid a hefty price for it. Of course there will be growing pains, but IMO the pressure should be on to win next season. My definition of winning next season is top four in BE and NCAA bid.
My A+ is based on the week, not an overall grade or a prediction of the future. Of course adding 5 star recruits per se would be better and an A+ connotes perfection. However, when you look at this in the context of taking over a program, and the need to essentially start over, these series of moves are an A+ in my estimation.
My level of optimism that we could get to the promised land with our former coach was 0.0%. I think many MU fans echo this sentiment. There was literally no hope at all. We were like Krill vs a Blue Whale. But now, there is great excitement and HOPE about our future and Shaka has done a stellar job in a very short amount of time.
Quote from: Goose on April 17, 2021, 09:45:36 AM
MU showed a great deal of patience over the past seven years and paid a hefty price for it. Of course there will be growing pains, but IMO the pressure should be on to win next season. My definition of winning next season is top four in BE and NCAA bid.
Rationally, your expectations are a year early.
One thing to keep in mind, Shaka just did not sign guys to fill spots. All of the incoming guys he had recruited for Texas. If he came in signed 75-125 rated players just to fill spots I would have been disappointed. He had a plan and executed it perfectly. IMO, that is why my optimism is higher than some on here.
Agree that he had a system and a plan and executed it. Simple question. Of the 14 players under scholarship, how many have produced in college at the P6 level? My expectations are based on what is coming back and known.
I am thrilled about the rapid infusion of length and athleticism. Very few freshman and sophomore dominated teams consistently produce. We all hope SS is the outlier. I would love to have my mind blown. Out of fairness to all, I am going to temper my expectations.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2021, 09:38:58 AM
A team this young? The model didn't even work for Cal or K this past season. I recognize all the talent. I am enthused about the future. But I assume there will be a huge learning curve and growing pains. Patience will still be required.
Any time a new coach gets hired, a variety of results may happen. Some have success early then maintain it. Some have success early, then dip then rebuild. Some struggle early, length varies before building a consistent winner. Some don't win enough.
As a program, expectations don't change that often regardless of coach. (At least for me)
Shaka will get a chance to win consistently at Marquette, at higher levels, (Buzz like levels of winning the regular season league, NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends etc...) than he did at Texas. If he can, he'll hopefully be around a while, if he can't, we will be having this discussion again in the next several years.
He'll get a fair chance. He isn't walking into a terrible situation. We'll see how he progresses in the next 3-5 years. It's about winning games. That's why we're here..
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2021, 09:57:13 AM
Agree that he had a system and a plan and executed it. Simple question. Of the 14 players under scholarship, how many have produced in college at the P6 level? My expectations are based on what is coming back and known.
I am thrilled about the rapid infusion of length and athleticism. Very few freshman and sophomore dominated teams consistently produce. We all hope SS is the outlier. I would love to have my mind blown. Out of fairness to all, I am going to temper my expectations.
Obviously Garcia being back is vital but I think we all understand this is a process. Don't forget how awful we were last season.
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/ (https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/)
Rothstein not giving MU any love. Texas still in top 25. I don't think we were that awful last year. Really only a couple wins from NCAAs assuming beating DePaul too.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2021, 09:38:58 AM
A team this young? The model didn't even work for Cal or K this past season. I recognize all the talent. I am enthused about the future. But I assume there will be a huge learning curve and growing pains. Patience will still be required.
This past season is a poor analog because of the truncated practices. It led to teams with greater continuity having more general success & teams with less continuity generally came up short (with some exceptions).
I don't disagree that this is likely a team that will have ups and downs while peaking in years 2/3 rather than 1, however.
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 08:52:27 AM
Are we a top 25 team next year? Close? Top 4 BE?
At the moment, I would guess NIT team and top 7 Big East.
We have the Big 3, a bunch of bench players from a sub 500 team, 5 freshmen ranked outside the top 75, and 2 transfers that aren't ranked in the top 50 committed transfers so far this offseason. If Shaka gets that group to the NCAAT, that will be a huge testament to his coaching ability and I will be very excited.
Shaka has built a great core for his system that I think will be very good in 2 or 3 years. Without another instant impact player, I don't see this year's squad doing damage. Good news is, there is still time.
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 10:10:10 AM
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/ (https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/)
Rothstein not giving MU any love. Texas still in top 25. I don't think we were that awful last year. Really only a couple wins from NCAAs assuming beating DePaul too.
I think that is fair. Marquette's roster didn't do much to get that sort of respect coming into this year. Also, Dawson is a toss-up right now. This is going to be a young team and there are going to be lumps in the process, especially if Dawson isn't here.
That's not to say this isn't a good core. I think this team will surprise next year. I am optimistically hoping for a top 4 Big East and a bubble team. I still have concerns about the SG spot.
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 10:10:10 AM
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/ (https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/)
Rothstein not giving MU any love. Texas still in top 25. I don't think we were that awful last year. Really only a couple wins from NCAAs assuming beating DePaul too.
At Texas, Chris Beard secured a commitment from top 35 national recruit Jaylon Tyson. He also has been able to land transfers Timmy Allen (17ppg good defender Utah) and Devin Askew (former top 35 recruit Kentucky)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
I distinctly remember a Scoop thread raving about his opening press conference. Funny in hindsight.
I just read the entire thread. Didn't seem like much raving at all, TAMU. Several Scoopers said Wojo sounded genuine and qualified, but there was very little "slurpage."
There were a few "he's gonna suck" comments; there were Scoopers willing to give him a chance; there was a good amount of cautious optimism; there was quite a bit of Buzz bashing, as well as some Buzz defending; there was a ton of talk about Mayo's facial expressions or lack thereof.
And interestingly, a couple of guys who became big critics were among Wojo's bigger defenders in that thread.
A few years from now, in the very unlikely event that Shaka doesn't get it done, you'll have your choice of threads to post about Scoopers who raved about him in the spring of 2021.
Quote from: The Lens on April 17, 2021, 12:16:16 AM
knew where Rice Lake was
Rice Lake is home to the Norske Nook which is justly famous for its moist, juicy, delectable pie.
Can't fault Wojo for his love of cutting a fresh slice now and again. No sir.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 17, 2021, 10:26:45 AM
At Texas, Chris Beard secured a commitment from top 35 national recruit Jaylon Tyson. He also has been able to land transfers Timmy Allen (17ppg good defender Utah) and Devin Askew (former top 35 recruit Kentucky)
And Christian Bishop.
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 10:10:10 AM
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/ (https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/rothstein-45-early-edition-for-21-22/)
Rothstein not giving MU any love. Texas still in top 25. I don't think we were that awful last year. Really only a couple wins from NCAAs assuming beating DePaul too.
St Bonnies at #18.
The "Roseboro Effect" remains strong on the banks of the Allegheny. Cannot help but think that the Spirit of the Beast and Bob Lanier's Size 22's have Rothstein beguiled.
Quote from: shoothoops on April 17, 2021, 10:26:45 AM
At Texas, Chris Beard secured a commitment from top 35 national recruit Jaylon Tyson. He also has been able to land transfers Timmy Allen (17ppg good defender Utah) and Devin Askew (former top 35 recruit Kentucky)
Why in the name of Al McGuire did we not hire Chris Beard?
Is a recount possible? There must be some ballot boxes stuffed with votes for one candidate somewhere in Milwaukee
Quote from: shoothoops on April 17, 2021, 10:26:45 AM
At Texas, Chris Beard secured a commitment from top 35 national recruit Jaylon Tyson. He also has been able to land transfers Timmy Allen (17ppg good defender Utah) and Devin Askew (former top 35 recruit Kentucky)
Is that an indictment of our new coach? Everyone says it's been a great couple weeks and it has but we didn't get this kind of haul. Plus the other transfers mentioned.
Quote from: geps on April 17, 2021, 12:35:44 PM
Is that an indictment of our new coach? Everyone says it's been a great couple weeks and it has but we didn't get this kind of haul. Plus the other transfers mentioned.
You mentioned Texas being in the top 25 by Rothstein. I mentioned some of the four players they added that probably helped contribute to his opinion.
Just read what is there.
I am more even keeled than the big highs and lows, and, I am more results oriented. I don't really care who picks MUBB where. I care about actual game results.
We can talk about recruiting, recruiting rankings, transfers, scheduling, coaching staff, analytics, systems, change, schemes, sets, plays, spacing, FT's, turnovers, shooting, offense and defense efficiency, etc...all day long. Winning games is what matters.
MUBB has program expectations. It isn't about MUBB and Texas. i'm sure Texas will evaluate its coach based on Texas' expectations and its past, just as MUBB has theirs.
Can Shaka Smart compete for, and win the regular season Big East Title? Can he win NCAA games and advance MUBB to the NCAA 2nd weekend? Can he make MUBB a consistent winning top 25 type program? This is why we're here. He'll get a fair chance to do so in the next 3-5 years. Hopefully he can do some of these things.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2021, 09:50:00 AM
Rationally, your expectations are a year early.
I agree. They'll find some tough sledding with a bunch of guys who are 190 soaking wet. Once they can physically mature and get a year under their belts, I think that's when the fun really starts.
This definitely was a tremendous week for MU. Shaka and the new coaching staff can now work on building the team identity with the new and returning players. Also with everything in place, a concerted effort on 2022 and 2023 kids can be made.
Very enthusiastic about these early efforts and what they mean for future of the program.
Quote from: MUfan12 on April 17, 2021, 01:06:49 PM
I agree. They'll find some tough sledding with a bunch of guys who are 190 soaking wet. Once they can physically mature and get a year under their belts, I think that's when the fun really starts.
Curious to see how Todd Smith and his team adjusts to what the new regime wants. Seemed like the strength training was a little more "hands-off" with Wojo compared to previous coaches.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 17, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
This definitely was a tremendous week for MU. Shaka and the new coaching staff can now work on building the team identity with the new and returning players. Also with everything in place, a concerted effort on 2022 and 2023 kids can be made.
Very enthusiastic about these early efforts and what they mean for future of the program.
Herman we're finally gonna get your pogo stick guys with good necks. I'm happy for you. (And all of us)
And then there's Dodds take: "This week has been a reboot, reload, rebuild all in a blender....
Edit: I'd like to put Dodds in a blender and leave it on for a couple of hours.
The feeling that we are finally on our way back and the optimism of Marquette fans brings back great memories. At least for a little while, Scoop is not such a rough neighborhood. Everyone (well, except the diehard cranks) is happy. Yeah, I know. That will change soon enough. Enjoy it while it lasts.
There is a difference between a bad team and a young team.
I expect this team to knocked around a bit by big, physical teams at first, but I anticipate rapid growth as a team as these players figure it out and gel as a group.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 16, 2021, 09:25:53 PM
The revisionist history is strong in this one.
Trying to remember the excitement storming the court after beating #1 ranked Nova that was wipe out by a tailspin to finish the season.
Quote from: MUfan12 on April 17, 2021, 01:06:49 PM
I agree. They'll find some tough sledding with a bunch of guys who are 190 soaking wet. Once they can physically mature and get a year under their belts, I think that's when the fun really starts.
This is a big concern of mine. Every guy we are bringing in does not seem to be a physical presence. Of our returnees, probably only Justin Lewis fits that bill. That is a must in today's game.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 19, 2021, 02:23:35 PM
This is a big concern of mine. Every guy we are bringing in does not seem to be a physical presence. Of our returnees, probably only Justin Lewis fits that bill. That is a must in today's game.
I think by Shaka's admission, Justin Lewis doesn't even fit the bill (said a lot about "needing to be in good shape" for him in most recent media day).
I'd say don't sleep on Oso. He looks like he has put on some serious muscle in the past year and has some time to go. He's not 250, but he sure as heck is more than the 205 he started the season at last year.
Joplin does not appear to be weak or skinny. I-Max looks like he could be kinda "wiry strong." DJ is a physically tough kid, body reminds me of Brunson as a college player.
And I'm thinking Shaka's quote about Justin was a reference to him being completely recovered from the ankle injury.
Quote from: MU82 on April 19, 2021, 06:32:52 PM
Joplin does not appear to be weak or skinny. I-Max looks like he could be kinda "wiry strong." DJ is a physically tough kid, body reminds me of Brunson as a college player.
And I'm thinking Shaka's quote about Justin was a reference to him being completely recovered from the ankle injury.
I thikn it was about being out of shape. Lots of "gotta be able to breathe during the game" part. Kind of the MO Buzz's old boot camps.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 19, 2021, 06:33:56 PM
I thikn it was about being out of shape. Lots of "gotta be able to breathe during the game" part. Kind of the MO Buzz's old boot camps.
Yes, certainly. If you watch Shaka's zoom call, there's a big focus on being physically and mentally ready for "what's next". Part of that seems to be getting the kids to condition until they are uncomfortable (my word, not his, but puking in trash cans story, etc)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 19, 2021, 06:37:43 PM
Yes, certainly. If you watch Shaka's zoom call, there's a big focus on being physically and mentally ready for "what's next". Part of that seems to be getting the kids to condition until they are uncomfortable (my word, not his, but puking in trash cans story, etc)
If it's good enough for Jaxson Hayes, it's good enough for our players!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 19, 2021, 06:44:35 PM
If it's good enough for Jaxson Hayes, it's good enough for our players!
I half wondered if the NO reporter that popped in to ask about him was a favor to Shaka so that he could tell that story. Seemed a little weird for him to be on the call and ask that question.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 19, 2021, 06:49:04 PM
I half wondered if the NO reporter that popped in to ask about him was a favor to Shaka so that he could tell that story. Seemed a little weird for him to be on the call and ask that question.
Perhaps. Honestly, I really think that story (and the entire Jaxson Hayes trajectory) is a great story to tell the players and a big testament to both Shaka and Jaxson. It speaks volumes to his ability to identify talent and not only coach the player up, but help motivate the player to reach a new level. Part of what has me super excited to see what he can do with Oso and Keeyan. Not saying either player will become that level of player--but I have a feeling they are both going to be better than we expect at an earlier time than we expect.
Let's get amped about player development people!
I was hesitant at first about Shaka because I felt like we just hired a guy who previously turned us down, but it's a totally different time and situation and since he's been on board I've only been impressed. This is the most excited about MU basketball that I've been since we were one win away from the BE title and then everything from that point on was really bad. I always wanted Wojo to succeed and tried really hard to cheer for him, but I disagreed with just about everything he did from a coaching standpoint and I am beyond thrilled that he is gone. At least there is hope again now. I quit watching the games last year after the DePaul loss. That was an all-time low for me & this program.
I don't care if this team finishes .500 next year, as long as they play 40 minutes, look like the more conditioned and tough team on the court, play as a team, figure out how to throw the ball inbounds after a timeout, take pride in defense, and actually run an offense. With how inexperienced we will be next year, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the ups & downs. All I care is to see some progress for once as the season goes on.
Year 2 and beyond, I probably have my hopes up too high, but it should be fun and exciting. Fully onboard the Shaka train right now. At least he speaks honestly. Some of the stuff he said in his follow-up press conference is stuff Wojo would have never said. Maybe all he is so far is a better speaker, but it's a good start.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 19, 2021, 06:33:56 PM
I thikn it was about being out of shape. Lots of "gotta be able to breathe during the game" part. Kind of the MO Buzz's old boot camps.
I missed that. Thanks for the correction.
Quote from: TheyWereCones on April 19, 2021, 10:51:55 PM
I don't care if this team finishes .500 next year, as long as they play 40 minutes, look like the more conditioned and tough team on the court, play as a team, figure out how to throw the ball inbounds after a timeout, take pride in defense, and actually run an offense. With how inexperienced we will be next year, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the ups & downs. All I care is to see some progress for once as the season goes on.
This. So much this
Quote from: TheyWereCones on April 19, 2021, 10:51:55 PM
I don't care if this team finishes .500 next year, as long as they play 40 minutes, look like the more conditioned and tough team on the court, play as a team, figure out how to throw the ball inbounds after a timeout, take pride in defense, and actually run an offense. With how inexperienced we will be next year, I am just going to sit back and enjoy the ups & downs. All I care is to see some progress for once as the season goes on.
Most people should have this attitude with a young team coming in next season. We're likely to be .500 ish again due to youth, unless that youth can turn the corner midway through the season and Carton/Garcia make significant jumps. Many people are becoming victims of the hype machine on here seem to think this a top 25 team......most likely not. Regardless, it will be interesting to watch them grow and see more of a team concept in play. We will see the beginnings of better tempo, better passing, and a better overall product.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 19, 2021, 06:59:34 PM
Perhaps. Honestly, I really think that story (and the entire Jaxson Hayes trajectory) is a great story to tell the players and a big testament to both Shaka and Jaxson. It speaks volumes to his ability to identify talent and not only coach the player up, but help motivate the player to reach a new level. Part of what has me super excited to see what he can do with Oso and Keeyan. Not saying either player will become that level of player--but I have a feeling they are both going to be better than we expect at an earlier time than we expect.
Let's get amped about player development people!
Oso isn't done growing into his body but wow does he look stronger than last year. Excited to see him.
Honestly, I'm excited by all of the pieces, but I'll judge this year and next by whether players get better and the team bonds stronger throughout the season.
As we sit here today, I go into 2021-22 with no specific expectations regarding record, BEast standing or NCAAT bid/performance.
But I do expect improvement from DJ, DG, JL and O-Max ... so I believe that even if the freshmen experience "typical freshman growing pains," we have a chance to exceed national pundits' expectations.